Louis (NewsSupport@earthlink.net)
"BearMan" <Al@PraiseTheDay.net> writes:
I am not familiar with the specifics of this thread's topic, but I can say
that irregardless of my religious affiliation, If my son or daughter refused
to obey the rules of the house and tried to disrupt the family harmony with a
rebillious or immoral lifestyle, then they would have to leave.
Nobody is obligated to subject themselves or their family to mental or
physical abuse from a child unwilling to live by the family's rules and
values.
Louis replies:
I agree with you to a point, but you have to remember that jabriol's
daughter has an infant which has done *nothing* wrong and is being
punished by his actions.
I have no problem with him kicking out his 18+ daughter if she's
corrupting others within his family, but the young child is suffering
because of his actions!
Jabriol, please don't punish your grand-daughter for something she has
no control over, and recognize your daughter *DID* *NOT* have an
abortion, which she could have done which would be a bigger shame than
having a "drug-dealers" child.
[Jabriol replies:" see what happens when you believe everything you read on
internet, you come to conclusion based on Faulty imformation... Pres Bush did
that as well. Yetzabel first child a daughter was born one year later after
she was removed from the household. The state took resposibility for the
infant, I would not, since it was the state that had her relocated, Aparently
she fell in a household, where all they needed was a state paycheck, with no
interest what so ever about thier charge or ward. From the teenager point of
view, she now lived with a family that allowed thier kids to do whatever they
wanted, sort of like Carol's and Bethe house. They went after the father for
child support, who of course was already in jail for drugdealing.
ahh the wonderful pitfall of the Dyfus...
However her second child, was born after she was 18, a boy, from another
person, who tried at the begining to be a father and a good live-in
boyfriend, needless to say that did not last. The State does not give welfare
to a second child. The Father disappeared. She gave up the second child. As
always Carol lied about being taken... But Carol is a liar.. so why belive
anything she says?
This happen many years ago. Yetzabel is the Poster kid, for what happens, when
you let a child do whatever they want.
regardless if is a JW family or not..
Children Pychologist in their report, demostrated that Yetzabel was an above
average intelligent child who manipulated the state into removing her from
the household. This was confirm by the instituion in West Hampton NJ where
she was housed twice and made me go broke... So Carol lies again when she
said I did not seek profesional help for this child out of the JW enviroment.
The Hospital had no problem with families who wish for thier minor children
to follow the family religion It is normal and accept as thus. However I was
not about to give in to the whim of one kid.. to do so, was to permit the
other children to do as they pleased. My stance as a parent comes from my
culture more than my religion. And I do not regret taking every action, that
I took. To me, my Family as a whole, was important. The State agreed with my
actions, they were all Legal. And this is what disturb Carol and Bethe, I am
a more succesful Parent, than they will ever be in their lifetime. And what
really get them furious to the point of lying about the issue, is that I am a
JW. Carol hate any man who is succeful and have is family in line with his
religious beliefs.
Now will anybody in arjw belive what I wrote?
most likely not. They need the lies, the slander, the hatred to justify their
personal opinion about JW's... without the lies, slander, and persomal
hatred, this would be an empty group because none of them can find real
evidence and facts about JW wrong doing...so they make them up.
My advice to you louis is the following whe reading or replying to Carol or
reading her threads:
Before you reply, you may want to ask her a few things or only one.
_Where does she get her information?
_Can her information be verified?
_Is the information up to date?
_What is the purpose of her post? To present reliable facts or sling mud on a
religious organization in good standing in almost every country in the
world?
Ask her for evidence of her claims before proceeding with your conversation
with her, if not you may be end up wasting your time on discussing subjects
based on fraudulent and fabricated information. Therefore participating with
her attempt at slander, and distributing false information elsewhere this
will make you a lying fool as well.. Why throw Pearls at swine?
Facts about Carol:
*She can never present evidence.
*she never reveal the source of her info(because there is none). Her common
reply, is "everybody already knows". If everybody knew, why bring it up?
*She always hide her identity. And change her header to avoid killfiles.
*She cuts and paste, rewrite postings, and will even forge e-mail addreses
which her ISP allows her to do.
...
She knows Jabriol is always right.
If you want to get rid of Carol, tell her to go home and service her husband,
like any decent honorable housewife would.
Why does Carol behave as she does?
Many former and disgruntled JW's family members will INDICATE that JW's and/or
the WTBTS are wrong or at fault NO MATTER THE TOPIC, the PROOF, or the
EVIDENCE. As with Carol and other anti-jw's already "know" the reality,
and do nothing but work backwards from said private reality with respect to a
given WTBTS/JW related matter, presenting anything and everything even
remotely closely apparently confirming their a priori conviction as "proof"
that they were "right all along". A good example is ant-jw's fetish for
reposting "excerpts" of articles which simply declare that one or more
wrong/evil-doers "is"/"are" Jehovah's Witnesses, with ZERO proof/evidence
that said alleged wrong/evil-doers actually make any attempt at all to live
the alleged godly principles allegedly embodied in the teaching(s) of the
WTBTS. One may as well post an excerpt of an article that says, "four
teenages girls - who are *WHITE* - were caught stealing Eminem CD's from
Tower Records", in hopes of convincing the audience that said excerpt
"proves" something about "whiteness". What does the "Jehovah's Witness"
label mean, if there's no proof/evidence that those it's applied to in one of
these "excerpts" is anything more than a JW in name/label only? Do we look at
someone that tries to run 26 miles right off the bat, with no training, and
keels over, and say, "See? Now we KNOW that runners are screwed up!" No,
we don't. Or shouldn't. But that's the kind of currency that the Carol's
and PB's of the newsgroup deal in.
replying to them is a virtual waste of bandwidth..
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