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"Bill M" |
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24 Nov 2007 04:48:57 AM |
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A SIMPLE QUESTION |
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
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| User: "Jim07D7" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
24 Nov 2007 11:13:22 AM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> said:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
Sorry, questioning God isn't allowed. And questioning this rule isn't
allowed. Sort of like the Patriot act.
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
09 Dec 2007 07:23:03 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:%JX1j.1134$mb.808
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There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
I only count 357 !
JESUS IS GOD
GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF >>> JESUS.
dave
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
10 Dec 2007 11:27:00 AM |
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<noemail@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:%JX1j.1134$mb.808
@bignews9.bellsouth.net:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
I only count 357 !
JESUS IS GOD
GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF >>> JESUS.
dave
Are you on drugs? Should you be?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
10 Dec 2007 03:46:05 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:27:00 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<noemail@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:%JX1j.1134$mb.808
@bignews9.bellsouth.net:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
I only count 357 !
JESUS IS GOD
GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF >>> JESUS.
dave
Are you on drugs? Should you be?
Rat poison perhaps.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
11 Dec 2007 03:39:01 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:27:00 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<noemail@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xx07j.7925$7C3.6489@fe087.usenetserver.com...
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:%JX1j.1134$mb.808
@bignews9.bellsouth.net:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
I only count 357 !
JESUS IS GOD
GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF >>> JESUS.
dave
Are you on drugs? Should you be?
Rat poison perhaps.
I'm not into encouraging anyone to take poison, there's enough of that kind
of thought process going on between opposing believers, let us keep it out of
the atheist camp please.
It least we only follow one thought pattern, they follow a myriad of them
Atheism - rejecting belief on all gods
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
11 Dec 2007 12:18:56 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:27:00 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<noemail@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xx07j.7925$7C3.6489@fe087.usenetserver.com...
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:%JX1j.1134$mb.808
@bignews9.bellsouth.net:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so
terribly
misled?
I only count 357 !
JESUS IS GOD
GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF >>> JESUS.
dave
Are you on drugs? Should you be?
Rat poison perhaps.
I'm not into encouraging anyone to take poison, there's enough of that
kind
of thought process going on between opposing believers, let us keep it out
of
the atheist camp please.
It least we only follow one thought pattern, they follow a myriad of them
Atheism - rejecting belief on all gods
...regardless of whether gods exist or not? Try to be coherent!!!
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
11 Dec 2007 10:22:01 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:27:00 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<noemail@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xx07j.7925$7C3.6489@fe087.usenetserver.com...
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:%JX1j.1134$mb.808
@bignews9.bellsouth.net:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so
terribly
misled?
I only count 357 !
JESUS IS GOD
GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF >>> JESUS.
dave
Are you on drugs? Should you be?
Rat poison perhaps.
I'm not into encouraging anyone to take poison, there's enough of that
kind
of thought process going on between opposing believers, let us keep it out
of
the atheist camp please.
It least we only follow one thought pattern, they follow a myriad of them
Atheism - rejecting belief on all gods
...regardless of whether gods exist or not? Try to be coherent!!!
what a joke !
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
11 Dec 2007 03:51:17 AM |
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On 11 Dec 2007 03:39:01 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:27:00 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<noemail@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xx07j.7925$7C3.6489@fe087.usenetserver.com...
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:%JX1j.1134$mb.808
@bignews9.bellsouth.net:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
I only count 357 !
JESUS IS GOD
GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF >>> JESUS.
dave
Are you on drugs? Should you be?
Rat poison perhaps.
I'm not into encouraging anyone to take poison, there's enough of that kind
of thought process going on between opposing believers, let us keep it out of
the atheist camp please.
It least we only follow one thought pattern, they follow a myriad of them
I hear your message, but I, personally, take rat poison every day:
Warfarin, to thin my blood.
I could hardly ask someone else to do something that I do not do
myself.
Some Poisons are a double-edged sword.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
11 Dec 2007 06:51:02 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On 11 Dec 2007 03:39:01 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:27:00 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<noemail@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xx07j.7925$7C3.6489@fe087.usenetserver.com...
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:%JX1j.1134$mb.808
@bignews9.bellsouth.net:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
I only count 357 !
JESUS IS GOD
GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF >>> JESUS.
dave
Are you on drugs? Should you be?
Rat poison perhaps.
I'm not into encouraging anyone to take poison, there's enough of that kind
of thought process going on between opposing believers, let us keep it out of
the atheist camp please.
It least we only follow one thought pattern, they follow a myriad of them
I hear your message, but I, personally, take rat poison every day:
Warfarin, to thin my blood.
You have my unremitting admiration on the other hand your earlier post suggested
without any doubt that the poster should not continue to live.
I could hardly ask someone else to do something that I do not do
myself.
Aaaah well we didn't know that at the time did we?
Some Poisons are a double-edged sword.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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10 Dec 2007 02:22:41 AM |
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<noemail@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:%JX1j.1134$mb.808
@bignews9.bellsouth.net:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
I only count 357 !
JESUS IS GOD
To be accurate you need to say Jesus is God INCARNATE. Remember, Jesus
said: God is a Spirit (1 John 4:24) and this Spirit (the Word) became flesh
in Jesus Christ (John 1:1-14).
GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF >>> JESUS.
Praise the Lord!!!!
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| User: "bob young" |
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10 Dec 2007 05:36:02 AM |
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wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:%JX1j.1134$mb.808
@bignews9.bellsouth.net:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
I only count 357 !
JESUS IS GOD
GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF >>> JESUS.
Primitive mytholgy in the year 2007 !!!!!!
I feel so sad.
dave
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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10 Dec 2007 06:23:17 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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noemail@nowhere.com wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:%JX1j.1134$mb.808
@bignews9.bellsouth.net:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
I only count 357 !
JESUS IS GOD
GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF >>> JESUS.
Primitive mytholgy in the year 2007 !!!!!!
I feel so sad.
Don't feel "sad". It's a philosophical postulate about total commitment,
i.e. that love ...to the death if need be, is the ONLY virtue which makes
for an abundant life. If you don't agree, then let's see you come up with
something more profound, rather than more downers.
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| User: "bob young" |
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11 Dec 2007 03:36:02 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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noemail@nowhere.com wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:%JX1j.1134$mb.808
@bignews9.bellsouth.net:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
I only count 357 !
JESUS IS GOD
GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF >>> JESUS.
Primitive mytholgy in the year 2007 !!!!!!
I feel so sad.
Don't feel "sad". It's a philosophical postulate about total commitment,
i.e. that love ...to the death if need be, is the ONLY virtue which makes
for an abundant life. If you don't agree, then let's see you come up with
something more profound, rather than more downers.
I feel sad for all humans degraded by superstitions
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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11 Dec 2007 12:16:32 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:475D2415.62263916@netvigator.com...
noemail@nowhere.com wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:%JX1j.1134$mb.808
@bignews9.bellsouth.net:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so
terribly
misled?
I only count 357 !
JESUS IS GOD
GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF >>> JESUS.
Primitive mytholgy in the year 2007 !!!!!!
I feel so sad.
Don't feel "sad". It's a philosophical postulate about total
commitment,
i.e. that love ...to the death if need be, is the ONLY virtue which makes
for an abundant life. If you don't agree, then let's see you come up with
something more profound, rather than more downers.
I feel sad for all humans degraded by superstitions
What "superstitions"? None were mentioned. Are you subject to delusions
or merely a product of devolution? For we can see you unable to answer the
question regarding the most important virtue, one that makes for a fulfilled
and worthwhile life.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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09 Dec 2007 08:01:25 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:23:03 GMT, wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:%JX1j.1134$mb.808
@bignews9.bellsouth.net:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
I only count 357 !
Your ignorance is not our problem.
JESUS IS GOD
GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF >>> JESUS.
Childish Idiot.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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10 Dec 2007 02:30:25 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:23:03 GMT, wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:%JX1j.1134$mb.808
@bignews9.bellsouth.net:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
I only count 357 !
Your ignorance is not our problem.
Needs counting lessons!!! LOL
JESUS IS GOD
GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF >>> JESUS.
Childish Idiot.
Show evidence, that you are not a "childish idiot" like the rest of us!
Or are you one of those 357 gods yourself, that you should regard yourself
infallible, and your judgment inerrant?
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| User: "Broderick Crawford" |
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25 Nov 2007 11:53:17 AM |
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Bill M wrote:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
It's a made up Jew plot to take over the world. Jesus was a Jew, the
Jews thought the whole damn thing up way back in the first century.
All gods are made up hoaxes.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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27 Nov 2007 02:35:38 PM |
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"Broderick Crawford" <bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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Bill M wrote:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
It's a made up Jew plot to take over the world. Jesus was a Jew, the
Jews thought the whole damn thing up way back in the first century.
All gods are made up hoaxes.
That applies only to the "god(s)" of your definition, probably some
invisible, created and material entity. Our Christian God is an uncreated
and eternal value.
Pastor Frank
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
John 3:3)
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| User: "Bill M" |
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27 Nov 2007 10:59:01 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Broderick Crawford" <bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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Bill M wrote:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
It's a made up Jew plot to take over the world. Jesus was a Jew, the
Jews thought the whole damn thing up way back in the first century.
All gods are made up hoaxes.
That applies only to the "god(s)" of your definition, probably some
invisible, created and material entity. Our Christian God is an uncreated
and eternal value.
Pastor Frank
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
This is love???
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why does he permit over 2,000,000 innocent children to die of
starvation every year? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate
into a miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious
affiliation?
God supposedly created the world like it is, to punish man for Adam and Eve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent children and
animals with thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be
eaten by other animals?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
and benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully
kill and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air.
Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was created by any gods.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead parents,
siblings and friends? (Or this god?)
There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs but NO OJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL god
beliefs are based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions and claims of errant men.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence that
their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.
Who will accept the challenge???
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| User: "les_on_usenet" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
28 Nov 2007 05:18:49 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:59:01 -0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:474c776e$0$26052$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
"Broderick Crawford" <bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
news:4749b637$0$2369$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
It's a made up Jew plot to take over the world. Jesus was a Jew, the
Jews thought the whole damn thing up way back in the first century.
All gods are made up hoaxes.
That applies only to the "god(s)" of your definition, probably some
invisible, created and material entity. Our Christian God is an uncreated
and eternal value.
Pastor Frank
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
This is love???
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
You are clearly misunderstanding PF here Bill. You need to read
exactly what he is saying. He would consider the god you describe
above as a 'god of our definition' though he confuses us with
Christians here as they invented and defned this god not us.
What you say is correct if this claimed god of theirs actually exists
but this is not the same god PF talks about.
If you read what he actually says he is telling you his god is an
emotion (love) and a human value or ideal to aim for not a real
being as invented by Christians. In more than one post he tells us
his god is imaginary and does not exist 'out there' as the likes
of Duke and other Christians claim. You have to recognise
that there are different types of Christian and some, like
Frank, do not base it in on a beleve in a real god some where
'out there'. No magic space pixie involved.
His quote from the Bible mentions that whilst he can see his
god we cannot. This is a somewhat obvious statement as only
he can see what he is imagining.
Quite why he wishes to elevate human emotion and human values
annd ideals to the status of a gods is the thing that puzzles me
about PF.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
That is exactly what he is telling you.
Ask him to prove his god exists and this is what he will quote:
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary.
Nothing there about it actually existing: This is a very clear
statement: 'Our Christian god is AN EMOTION' one that is shared by
all higher social animals where offspring require long term nurturing
in a stable protective environment before it ceases to be dependant.
Emotions cannot create planets especially as there was no humans
around at the time to love a planet into existence
We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Ony we can imagine our god. (only we elevate love to the status of
a god??)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him,
I cannot possibly see his imagination so I cannot see his love. That
part is true as he only ever shows hatred towards us.
As far as human emotions, ideals and values are concerned
he seems one very confused person. I have never come across
anybody before who elevates them to the status of gods then
venerates and worships them as if they are supernatural
beings. Very strange.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Bill M" |
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28 Nov 2007 11:20:22 AM |
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Your information makes sense. I appreciate it.
From my stand point, I interpret words as they are defined in the
dictionary - not as they are defined by individuals. You have provided
evidence he is creating his own personal definitions of words. Either that
or I am completely misunderstanding him
"les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:dihqk3d3ldde6j49v5jisiti1n7grdih7q@4ax.com...
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:59:01 -0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:474c776e$0$26052$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
"Broderick Crawford" <bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
news:4749b637$0$2369$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
It's a made up Jew plot to take over the world. Jesus was a Jew, the
Jews thought the whole damn thing up way back in the first century.
All gods are made up hoaxes.
That applies only to the "god(s)" of your definition, probably some
invisible, created and material entity. Our Christian God is an
uncreated
and eternal value.
Pastor Frank
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
This is love???
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish
millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
You are clearly misunderstanding PF here Bill. You need to read
exactly what he is saying. He would consider the god you describe
above as a 'god of our definition' though he confuses us with
Christians here as they invented and defned this god not us.
What you say is correct if this claimed god of theirs actually exists
but this is not the same god PF talks about.
If you read what he actually says he is telling you his god is an
emotion (love) and a human value or ideal to aim for not a real
being as invented by Christians. In more than one post he tells us
his god is imaginary and does not exist 'out there' as the likes
of Duke and other Christians claim. You have to recognise
that there are different types of Christian and some, like
Frank, do not base it in on a beleve in a real god some where
'out there'. No magic space pixie involved.
His quote from the Bible mentions that whilst he can see his
god we cannot. This is a somewhat obvious statement as only
he can see what he is imagining.
Quite why he wishes to elevate human emotion and human values
annd ideals to the status of a gods is the thing that puzzles me
about PF.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
That is exactly what he is telling you.
Ask him to prove his god exists and this is what he will quote:
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary.
Nothing there about it actually existing: This is a very clear
statement: 'Our Christian god is AN EMOTION' one that is shared by
all higher social animals where offspring require long term nurturing
in a stable protective environment before it ceases to be dependant.
Emotions cannot create planets especially as there was no humans
around at the time to love a planet into existence
We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Ony we can imagine our god. (only we elevate love to the status of
a god??)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him,
I cannot possibly see his imagination so I cannot see his love. That
part is true as he only ever shows hatred towards us.
As far as human emotions, ideals and values are concerned
he seems one very confused person. I have never come across
anybody before who elevates them to the status of gods then
venerates and worships them as if they are supernatural
beings. Very strange.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
28 Nov 2007 10:39:02 PM |
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Bill M wrote:
Your information makes sense. I appreciate it.
From my stand point, I interpret words as they are defined in the
dictionary - not as they are defined by individuals. You have provided
evidence he is creating his own personal definitions of words. Either that
or I am completely misunderstanding him
But from my recollection this is a fairly recent tack and one which PF did not
use eighteen months ago.
his new line is his efforts to get out of having to prove that his god exists.
He can't of course so he adopted this love creation as the next best thing.
As I have just asked PF, since his god was supposed to have created the
universe, without humans on it [they came later] how could he have done so if
he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a god?
Over to you PF.
"les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:dihqk3d3ldde6j49v5jisiti1n7grdih7q@4ax.com...
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:59:01 -0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:474c776e$0$26052$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
"Broderick Crawford" <bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
news:4749b637$0$2369$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Bill M wrote:
There are thousands of different God beliefs.
If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so terribly
misled?
It's a made up Jew plot to take over the world. Jesus was a Jew, the
Jews thought the whole damn thing up way back in the first century.
All gods are made up hoaxes.
That applies only to the "god(s)" of your definition, probably some
invisible, created and material entity. Our Christian God is an
uncreated
and eternal value.
Pastor Frank
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
This is love???
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish
millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
You are clearly misunderstanding PF here Bill. You need to read
exactly what he is saying. He would consider the god you describe
above as a 'god of our definition' though he confuses us with
Christians here as they invented and defned this god not us.
What you say is correct if this claimed god of theirs actually exists
but this is not the same god PF talks about.
If you read what he actually says he is telling you his god is an
emotion (love) and a human value or ideal to aim for not a real
being as invented by Christians. In more than one post he tells us
his god is imaginary and does not exist 'out there' as the likes
of Duke and other Christians claim. You have to recognise
that there are different types of Christian and some, like
Frank, do not base it in on a beleve in a real god some where
'out there'. No magic space pixie involved.
His quote from the Bible mentions that whilst he can see his
god we cannot. This is a somewhat obvious statement as only
he can see what he is imagining.
Quite why he wishes to elevate human emotion and human values
annd ideals to the status of a gods is the thing that puzzles me
about PF.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
That is exactly what he is telling you.
Ask him to prove his god exists and this is what he will quote:
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary.
Nothing there about it actually existing: This is a very clear
statement: 'Our Christian god is AN EMOTION' one that is shared by
all higher social animals where offspring require long term nurturing
in a stable protective environment before it ceases to be dependant.
Emotions cannot create planets especially as there was no humans
around at the time to love a planet into existence
We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Ony we can imagine our god. (only we elevate love to the status of
a god??)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him,
I cannot possibly see his imagination so I cannot see his love. That
part is true as he only ever shows hatred towards us.
As far as human emotions, ideals and values are concerned
he seems one very confused person. I have never come across
anybody before who elevates them to the status of gods then
venerates and worships them as if they are supernatural
beings. Very strange.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
29 Nov 2007 11:50:13 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:474E41D8.240850C1@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
Your information makes sense. I appreciate it.
From my stand point, I interpret words as they are defined in the
dictionary - not as they are defined by individuals. You have provided
evidence he is creating his own personal definitions of words. Either
that
or I am completely misunderstanding him
But from my recollection this is a fairly recent tack and one which PF did
not
use eighteen months ago.
his new line is his efforts to get out of having to prove that his god
exists.
He can't of course so he adopted this love creation as the next best
thing.
As I have just asked PF, since his god was supposed to have created the
universe, without humans on it [they came later] how could he have done so
if
he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a god?
Over to you PF.
Like I said: Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be love
and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. Only love and
care makes life worth living, all else is mere commentary.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "les_on_usenet" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
29 Nov 2007 05:41:01 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:50:13 -0500, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:474E41D8.240850C1@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
Your information makes sense. I appreciate it.
From my stand point, I interpret words as they are defined in the
dictionary - not as they are defined by individuals. You have provided
evidence he is creating his own personal definitions of words. Either
that
or I am completely misunderstanding him
But from my recollection this is a fairly recent tack and one which PF did
not
use eighteen months ago.
his new line is his efforts to get out of having to prove that his god
exists.
He can't of course so he adopted this love creation as the next best
thing.
As I have just asked PF, since his god was supposed to have created the
universe, without humans on it [they came later] how could he have done so
if
he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a god?
Over to you PF.
Like I said: Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be love
and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. Only love and
care makes life worth living, all else is mere commentary.
Nah, this is ambiguous
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
03 Dec 2007 11:54:06 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:50:13 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:474E41D8.240850C1@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
Your information makes sense. I appreciate it. From my stand point, I
interpret words as they are defined in the dictionary - not as they
are defined by individuals. You have provided evidence he is creating
his own personal definitions of words. Either that
or I am completely misunderstanding him
But from my recollection this is a fairly recent tack and one which PF
did not
use eighteen months ago.
his new line is his efforts to get out of having to prove that his god
exists.
He can't of course so he adopted this love creation as the next best
thing.
As I have just asked PF, since his god was supposed to have created the
universe, without humans on it [they came later] how could he have done
so if
he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a god?
Over to you PF.
Like I said: Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be
love
and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. Only love
and care makes life worth living, all else is mere commentary.
"Our" meaning the voices in your head and you...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
Theology: The study of elaborate verbal disguises for non-ideas.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
29 Nov 2007 11:13:01 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:474E41D8.240850C1@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
Your information makes sense. I appreciate it.
From my stand point, I interpret words as they are defined in the
dictionary - not as they are defined by individuals. You have provided
evidence he is creating his own personal definitions of words. Either
that
or I am completely misunderstanding him
But from my recollection this is a fairly recent tack and one which PF did
not
use eighteen months ago.
his new line is his efforts to get out of having to prove that his god
exists.
He can't of course so he adopted this love creation as the next best
thing.
As I have just asked PF, since his god was supposed to have created the
universe, without humans on it [they came later] how could he have done so
if
he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a god?
Over to you PF.
Like I said: Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be love
and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. Only love and
care makes life worth living, all else is mere commentary.
[How was this god supposed to have created the universe,
without humans on it [they came later] how could he have done so
if he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a god?]
Always the same dealing with religionists, they have one thing in common, a
brushed well practiced skill at 'dodging the issue'
What a waster
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "les_on_usenet" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
30 Nov 2007 05:56:42 AM |
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On 29 Nov 2007 23:13:01 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:474E41D8.240850C1@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
Your information makes sense. I appreciate it.
From my stand point, I interpret words as they are defined in the
dictionary - not as they are defined by individuals. You have provided
evidence he is creating his own personal definitions of words. Either
that
or I am completely misunderstanding him
But from my recollection this is a fairly recent tack and one which PF did
not
use eighteen months ago.
his new line is his efforts to get out of having to prove that his god
exists.
He can't of course so he adopted this love creation as the next best
thing.
As I have just asked PF, since his god was supposed to have created the
universe, without humans on it [they came later] how could he have done so
if
he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a god?
Over to you PF.
Like I said: Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be love
and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. Only love and
care makes life worth living, all else is mere commentary.
[How was this god supposed to have created the universe,
without humans on it [they came later] how could he have done so
if he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a god?]
Always the same dealing with religionists, they have one thing in common, a
brushed well practiced skill at 'dodging the issue'
What a waster
Love and caring is an essential part of all the higher evolved mammals
as we could not survive as a species without it. The most advanced of
mammals our young need care and nurturing into adulthood for
the longest time of any animal. This can only be achieved by stable
bonding between parents and off-spring and considerable sacrifice to
raise the child properly.
This above passage of his is quite a puzzler:
"Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be love
and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. "
So, he is telling us his God is an evolved human emotion we all
share (well most of are capable of love even though it is
dormant in some)
Incarnate means 'become man'
So he is saying that a human emotion (love) became a human called
Jesus.
Does this make any sense to you? It makes none to me.
Heck humans have expressed love ever since we emerged as a
separate species over 100,00 years ago. You can see it
in the eye of every proud mother with her new born baby.
She would sacrifice her own life to protect it. That applies to all
the higher mammals too it is in our genes. We need no mythical
Jesus to show or teach us us that.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
30 Nov 2007 08:56:05 AM |
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"les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:f3tvk3hn6m7m1r1o1g8e4gqo2l0n9mcqjl@4ax.com...
On 29 Nov 2007 23:13:01 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:474E41D8.240850C1@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
Your information makes sense. I appreciate it.
From my stand point, I interpret words as they are defined in the
dictionary - not as they are defined by individuals. You have
provided
evidence he is creating his own personal definitions of words. Either
that
or I am completely misunderstanding him
But from my recollection this is a fairly recent tack and one which PF
did
not
use eighteen months ago.
his new line is his efforts to get out of having to prove that his god
exists.
He can't of course so he adopted this love creation as the next best
thing.
As I have just asked PF, since his god was supposed to have created
the
universe, without humans on it [they came later] how could he have
done so
if he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a
god?
Over to you PF.
Like I said: Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be
love
and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. Only love
and
care makes life worth living, all else is mere commentary.
[How was this god supposed to have created the universe,
without humans on it [they came later] how could he have done so
if he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a
god?]
Always the same dealing with religionists, they have one thing in common,
a
brushed well practiced skill at 'dodging the issue'
What a waster
Love and caring is an essential part of all the higher evolved mammals
as we could not survive as a species without it. The most advanced of
mammals our young need care and nurturing into adulthood for
the longest time of any animal. This can only be achieved by stable
bonding between parents and off-spring and considerable sacrifice to
raise the child properly.
All on automatic instinct? Unfortunately not among humans, who are the
only ones killing their own species with abandon. We need not only constant
reminders to be loving and caring of others but examples like Christ
demonstrating love and care, ...to the death if need be.
This above passage of his is quite a puzzler:
"Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be love
and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. "
So, he is telling us his God is an evolved human emotion we all
share (well most of are capable of love even though it is
dormant in some)
Incarnate means 'become man'
So he is saying that a human emotion (love) became a human called
Jesus.
Does this make any sense to you? It makes none to me.
Heck humans have expressed love ever since we emerged as a
separate species over 100,00 years ago. You can see it
in the eye of every proud mother with her new born baby.
She would sacrifice her own life to protect it. That applies to all
the higher mammals too it is in our genes. We need no mythical
Jesus to show or teach us us that.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "les_on_usenet" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
30 Nov 2007 02:35:26 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:56:05 -0500, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:f3tvk3hn6m7m1r1o1g8e4gqo2l0n9mcqjl@4ax.com...
On 29 Nov 2007 23:13:01 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:474E41D8.240850C1@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
Your information makes sense. I appreciate it.
From my stand point, I interpret words as they are defined in the
dictionary - not as they are defined by individuals. You have
provided
evidence he is creating his own personal definitions of words. Either
that
or I am completely misunderstanding him
But from my recollection this is a fairly recent tack and one which PF
did
not
use eighteen months ago.
his new line is his efforts to get out of having to prove that his god
exists.
He can't of course so he adopted this love creation as the next best
thing.
As I have just asked PF, since his god was supposed to have created
the
universe, without humans on it [they came later] how could he have
done so
if he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a
god?
Over to you PF.
Like I said: Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be
love
and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. Only love
and
care makes life worth living, all else is mere commentary.
[How was this god supposed to have created the universe,
without humans on it [they came later] how could he have done so
if he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a
god?]
Always the same dealing with religionists, they have one thing in common,
a
brushed well practiced skill at 'dodging the issue'
What a waster
Love and caring is an essential part of all the higher evolved mammals
as we could not survive as a species without it. The most advanced of
mammals our young need care and nurturing into adulthood for
the longest time of any animal. This can only be achieved by stable
bonding between parents and off-spring and considerable sacrifice to
raise the child properly.
All on automatic instinct? Unfortunately not among humans, who are the
only ones killing their own species with abandon. We need not only constant
reminders to be loving and caring of others but examples like Christ
demonstrating love and care, ...to the death if need be.
Yes by instinct but also by intelligence and understanding. Only
religion perverts and debases it in the name of their claimed gods.
You Christians foster division and hatred between peoples and
the most fervent believers of the lot fly airplanes for love of
their god screaming it is great as they do. There was one of your
mob attacking catholics in the newsgroup only yesterday simply
because they choose to express their Christianity in a different
way. Yet more division and hatred fostered instead of seeking
reconciliation.
but you are right we need to keep reminding people that cooperation is
better than division and you foster that by looking for the
good in people and praising and building on that rrather than
constantly seeking to denegrate and tear them down as you do
simply because we do not share your belief as is our right.
Only you would look for the worst in us instead of recognising that
most of the world is living mostly in peace and harmony. Why did you
not choose instead to mention that we have now had peace in
Europe for the longest period in our entire history and cooperate in
ways undreamed of a Century ago? As a result we are more
prosperous than ever before. We even have a European
Parliament from which common political parties are starting
to emerge.
We are not the only people at peace and cooperating together
for greater prosperity either. Warfare and conflict is the
abberation now in this world.
This above passage of his is quite a puzzler:
"Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be love
and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. "
So, he is telling us his God is an evolved human emotion we all
share (well most of are capable of love even though it is
dormant in some)
Incarnate means 'become man'
So he is saying that a human emotion (love) became a human called
Jesus.
Does this make any sense to you? It makes none to me.
Still makes no sense.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: A SIMPLE QUESTION |
30 Nov 2007 06:45:18 PM |
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"les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:hir0l3tgrm51mrfbo13ehek5771pu3ub6s@4ax.com...
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:56:05 -0500, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:f3tvk3hn6m7m1r1o1g8e4gqo2l0n9mcqjl@4ax.com...
On 29 Nov 2007 23:13:01 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:474E41D8.240850C1@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
Your information makes sense. I appreciate it.
From my stand point, I interpret words as they are defined in the
dictionary - not as they are defined by individuals. You have
provided
evidence he is creating his own personal definitions of words.
Either
that
or I am completely misunderstanding him
But from my recollection this is a fairly recent tack and one which
PF
did
not
use eighteen months ago.
his new line is his efforts to get out of having to prove that his
god
exists.
He can't of course so he adopted this love creation as the next best
thing.
As I have just asked PF, since his god was supposed to have created
the
universe, without humans on it [they came later] how could he have
done so
if he required human love in the first place to actually perform as
a
god?
Over to you PF.
Like I said: Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be
love
and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. Only love
and
care makes life worth living, all else is mere commentary.
[How was this god supposed to have created the universe,
without humans on it [they came later] how could he have done so
if he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a
god?]
Always the same dealing with religionists, they have one thing in
common,
a
brushed well practiced skill at 'dodging the issue'
What a waster
Love and caring is an essential part of all the higher evolved mammals
as we could not survive as a species without it. The most advanced of
mammals our young need care and nurturing into adulthood for
the longest time of any animal. This can only be achieved by stable
bonding between parents and off-spring and considerable sacrifice to
raise the child properly.
All on automatic instinct? Unfortunately not among humans, who are the
only ones killing their own species with abandon. We need not only
constant
reminders to be loving and caring of others but examples like Christ
demonstrating love and care, ...to the death if need be.
Yes by instinct but also by intelligence and understanding. Only
religion perverts and debases it in the name of their claimed gods.
Our Christian "claimed" God is love (1 John 4:8,16). Show how love
perverts and debases those who aim to devote their lives to loving and
caring.
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