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"Opus-" |
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01 Feb 2008 02:04:17 AM |
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A simple question for the theist. |
Simple question: If you were CERTAIN that god wanted you to toss a
grenade into a daycare, would you? For a TRUE believer, there can only
be one answer.
DO NOT reply with "god would never ask me to do that". It's irrelevant
what you THINK he would or wouldn't want you to do. God expected
Abraham to be willing to kill Isaac and his willingness to do so was
the right answer.
My morals are simply too high for that nonsense.
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jbuchy@hotmail.com
(Jim, daddy to Lesleigh [Autistic] 04/20/94)
"With God, all atrocities are acceptable and embraced"
Please note: All unsolicited e-mail sent to me may, at
my discretion, be posted in this newsgroup verbatim.
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| User: "Bob N. Enweiven" |
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| Title: Re: A simple question for the theist. |
01 Feb 2008 08:28:27 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:04:17 GMT, Opus- <jbuchy@shaw.ca> wrote:
Simple question: If you were CERTAIN that god wanted you to toss a
grenade into a daycare, would you? For a TRUE believer, there can only
be one answer.
I completely disagree with that. If some god existed I might take
it's opinion into consideration, but I'd still think for myself.
DO NOT reply with "god would never ask me to do that". It's irrelevant
what you THINK he would or wouldn't want you to do. God expected
Abraham to be willing to kill Isaac and his willingness to do so was
the right answer.
My morals are simply too high for that nonsense.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: A simple question for the theist. |
01 Feb 2008 05:47:54 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:28:27 -0600, Bob N. Enweiven <blah@blahhhh.com>
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On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:04:17 GMT, Opus- <jbuchy@shaw.ca> wrote:
Simple question: If you were CERTAIN that god wanted you to toss a
grenade into a daycare, would you? For a TRUE believer, there can only
be one answer.
I completely disagree with that. If some god existed I might take
it's opinion into consideration, but I'd still think for myself.
Are you a true believer?
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: A simple question for the theist. |
01 Feb 2008 02:24:25 AM |
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Opus- wrote:
Simple question: If you were CERTAIN that god wanted you to toss a
grenade into a daycare, would you? For a TRUE believer, there can only
be one answer.
DO NOT reply with "god would never ask me to do that". It's irrelevant
what you THINK he would or wouldn't want you to do. God expected
Abraham to be willing to kill Isaac and his willingness to do so was
the right answer.
My morals are simply too high for that nonsense.
Did you also post this to a theistic news group?
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L. Raymond
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| User: "Sanitys Little Helper" |
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| Title: Re: A simple question for the theist. |
01 Feb 2008 03:02:11 AM |
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"L. Raymond" <badaddress@....com> wrote in news:2oqatixwl0er
$.1esafpf0jt3pb$.dlg@40tude.net to alt.atheism on 01 Feb 2008:
Opus- wrote:
Simple question: If you were CERTAIN that god wanted you to toss a
grenade into a daycare, would you? For a TRUE believer, there can only
be one answer.
DO NOT reply with "god would never ask me to do that". It's irrelevant
what you THINK he would or wouldn't want you to do. God expected
Abraham to be willing to kill Isaac and his willingness to do so was
the right answer.
My morals are simply too high for that nonsense.
Did you also post this to a theistic news group?
There are enough of them reading the postings here. There's no reason for
any of them not to respond. I'm sure Duke's trying to think up a terse
dismissal of the question in line with Current Vatican Doctrine right
now.
--
David Silverman D.B.E.
aa #2208
Lord Mayor of Dis
Lawful copyright holder of the term "Earthquack".
The monkeys are loose in the library again. They're gibbbering something
about "Answers In Genesis".
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| User: "kingdoodlesquat" |
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| Title: Re: A simple question for the theist. |
01 Feb 2008 05:26:26 AM |
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Simple question: If you were CERTAIN that god wanted you to toss a
grenade into a daycare, would you? For a TRUE believer, there can only
be one answer.
DO NOT reply with "god would never ask me to do that". It's irrelevant
what you THINK he would or wouldn't want you to do. God expected
Abraham to be willing to kill Isaac and his willingness to do so was
the right answer.
My morals are simply too high for that nonsense.
Did you also post this to a theistic news group?
There are enough of them reading the postings here. There's no reason for
any of them not to respond. I'm sure Duke's trying to think up a terse
dismissal of the question in line with Current Vatican Doctrine right
now.
Duke will be able to give some sort of fundy logic answer I'm sure. A while
back he claims that he served his country during the Viet Nam conflict by
manufacturing weapons. When I pointed out to him that he was breaking the
"thou shalt not kill" commandment because he manufactured the instruments
which destroyed people, he came back with some woolly krister argument out
of the babble I think. They can always justify killing in the name of their
god, even though their moral guide that is the commandments contradicts such
actions. Hypocrisy in spades methinks!!
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| User: "Tink" |
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| Title: Re: A simple question for the theist. |
02 Feb 2008 07:07:46 PM |
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On 2008-02-01 03:24:25 -0500, "L. Raymond" <badaddress@....com> said:
Opus- wrote:
Simple question: If you were CERTAIN that god wanted you to toss a
grenade into a daycare, would you? For a TRUE believer, there can only
be one answer.
DO NOT reply with "god would never ask me to do that". It's irrelevant
what you THINK he would or wouldn't want you to do. God expected
Abraham to be willing to kill Isaac and his willingness to do so was
the right answer.
My morals are simply too high for that nonsense.
Did you also post this to a theistic news group?
Because there's more fundy's here than us?
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Skydivers don't knock on death's door; they ring the bell and run
away... It really pisses him off.
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
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| User: "Opus-" |
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| Title: Re: A simple question for the theist. |
01 Feb 2008 07:46:47 AM |
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On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 02:24:25 -0600, "L. Raymond" <badaddress@....com>
spake thusly:
Opus- wrote:
Simple question: If you were CERTAIN that god wanted you to toss a
grenade into a daycare, would you? For a TRUE believer, there can only
be one answer.
DO NOT reply with "god would never ask me to do that". It's irrelevant
what you THINK he would or wouldn't want you to do. God expected
Abraham to be willing to kill Isaac and his willingness to do so was
the right answer.
My morals are simply too high for that nonsense.
Did you also post this to a theistic news group?
Good point. I guess I should have.
--
jbuchy@hotmail.com
(Jim, daddy to Lesleigh [Autistic] 04/20/94)
"With God, all atrocities are acceptable and embraced"
Please note: All unsolicited e-mail sent to me may, at
my discretion, be posted in this newsgroup verbatim.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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| Title: Re: A simple question for the theist. |
02 Feb 2008 02:04:26 AM |
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Opus-:
Simple question: If you were CERTAIN that god wanted you to toss a
grenade into a daycare, would you? For a TRUE believer, there can only
be one answer.
1. No. I'm an idiot at times, but never will I be that braindead.
2. My relationship to the deities of my faith is one of trust and
friendship, not of slave-to-master. If a friend asked me to do what you
suggested, would I keep calling her a "friend"? Your guess.
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Opus-" |
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| Title: Re: A simple question for the theist. |
02 Feb 2008 11:26:54 PM |
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On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:04:26 +0100, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOsecretary@carcosa.de> spake thusly:
Opus-:
Simple question: If you were CERTAIN that god wanted you to toss a
grenade into a daycare, would you? For a TRUE believer, there can only
be one answer.
1. No. I'm an idiot at times, but never will I be that braindead.
I am glad to hear that.
2. My relationship to the deities of my faith is one of trust and
friendship, not of slave-to-master. If a friend asked me to do what you
suggested, would I keep calling her a "friend"? Your guess.
Unfortunately, the bible and Q'uran both require that sort of
obedience. Slave-to-master is a good way to put it.
--
jbuchy@hotmail.com
(Jim, daddy to Lesleigh [Autistic] 04/20/94)
"With God, all atrocities are acceptable and embraced"
Please note: All unsolicited e-mail sent to me may, at
my discretion, be posted in this newsgroup verbatim.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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| Title: Re: A simple question for the theist. |
03 Feb 2008 12:58:34 AM |
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Opus-:
2. My relationship to the deities of my faith is one of trust and
friendship, not of slave-to-master.
Unfortunately, the bible and Q'uran both require that sort of
obedience. Slave-to-master is a good way to put it.
Sadly yes.
Although for the sake of fairness I'd like to mention the moderates of both
religions here... most of them (in my experience) find that total-obedience
and 100-%-literal-truth stuff just as ludicrous as we do. :)
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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