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"stoney" |
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14 Oct 2004 05:35:01 PM |
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A Very Pissed Lynne Cheney |
Political remarks attacking her family? Only if you're brain-dead.
John Kerry's remarks indicated sympathy for the Cheney family and
encouraging words for the Cheney daughter. That the daughter's makeup
doesn't sit well with the fundamentalist Christians which make up a
hefty part of the Cheney base is their personal problem.
It's sad when supportive human sympathy generates rage.
http://www.feedroom.com/iframeset.jsp?ord=873377
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
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15 Oct 2004 05:48:00 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote
Political remarks attacking her family? Only if you're brain-dead.
John Kerry's remarks indicated sympathy for the Cheney family and
encouraging words for the Cheney daughter.
There were some very nasty personal attacks aimed at Lynn Cheney's
daughter, and they came from a fellow Republican:
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040901-093347-1067r.htm
Lesson here: Smear ***** Cheney's daughter and you're a fine
Republican, talk about ***** Cheney's daughter as if she was a
person with rights and you're scum.
"Family values," Republican style.
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 Oct 2004 01:18:39 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:48:00 -0400, "JTEM" <jaytem@gaydar.co.uk>
wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote
Political remarks attacking her family? Only if you're brain-dead.
John Kerry's remarks indicated sympathy for the Cheney family and
encouraging words for the Cheney daughter.
There were some very nasty personal attacks aimed at Lynn Cheney's
daughter, and they came from a fellow Republican:
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040901-093347-1067r.htm
Lesson here: Smear ***** Cheney's daughter and you're a fine
Republican, talk about ***** Cheney's daughter as if she was a
person with rights and you're scum.
"Family values," Republican style.
Keyes slams Cheney daughter
New York, NY, Sep. 1 (UPI) -- Illinois Republican U.S. Senate hopeful
Alan Keyes reportedly had tough words for vice presidential daughter
Mary Cheney because she is a lesbian.
In an interview with SIRUS satellite radio, the Internet's Drudge
Report said Wednesday, Keyes called Mary Cheney "a 'selfish hedonist'
because she is a lesbian."
Keyes said: "The essence of ... family life remains procreation. If we
embrace homosexuality as a proper basis for marriage, we are saying
that it's possible to have a marriage state that in principal excludes
procreation and is based simply on the premise of selfish hedonism."
Asked whether that meant Mary Cheney "is a selfish hedonist," Keyes
said: "That goes by definition. Of course she is."
Keyes took to the airwaves again Wednesday to try and put the remark
in context. WBBM-AM, Chicago, reported he denied the comment was meant
to slam Mary Cheney and blamed the media for taking a generalization
and making it personal. Keyes said if he had a lesbian daughter he
would love her but tell her she was sinning.
(c) 2004 United Press International
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
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| User: "Tock" |
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14 Oct 2004 10:42:51 PM |
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Guess Mom Cheney thinks it's ok for folks to call her daughter a "selfish
hedonist" because she's a lesbian, and not for Kerry to give their lesbian
daughter a compliment.
-Tock
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http://www.connexion.org/newsstory.cfm?id=933&returnurl=index.cfm
Keyes Trashes Gays & Mary Cheney At GOP Convention
September 1, 2004 at 9:11 AM
by Doug Windsor
New York City - Republicans Tuesday wrote off a Senate win in Illinois and
likely any chance of keeping control of the chamber following a series of
inflammatory statements about gays and the lesbian daughter of Vice
President ***** Cheney.
In an interview with 365Gay.com editorialist and the host of his own Sirius
OutQ radio, Michaelangelo Signorile, Alan Keys said that homosexuality is
"selfish hedonism." Signorile then asked Keyes, the GOP candidate for the US
Senate in Illinois, whether he considered Mary Cheney is a "selfish
hedonist."
"Of course she is," Keyes replied. "That goes by definition. Of course she
is."
"If we embrace homosexuality as a proper basis for marriage, we are saying
that it's possible to have a marriage state that in principle excludes
procreation and is based simply on the premise of selfish hedonism," he told
Signorile and Corey Johnson Sirius OutQ political reporter on air.
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| User: "Kermit" |
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15 Oct 2004 12:03:57 PM |
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"Tock" <tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<%GHbd.6298$q%7.5717@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>...
Guess Mom Cheney thinks it's ok for folks to call her daughter a "selfish
hedonist" because she's a lesbian, and not for Kerry to give their lesbian
daughter a compliment.
-Tock
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http://www.connexion.org/newsstory.cfm?id=933&returnurl=index.cfm
Keyes Trashes Gays & Mary Cheney At GOP Convention
September 1, 2004 at 9:11 AM
by Doug Windsor
New York City - Republicans Tuesday wrote off a Senate win in Illinois and
likely any chance of keeping control of the chamber following a series of
inflammatory statements about gays and the lesbian daughter of Vice
President ***** Cheney.
In an interview with 365Gay.com editorialist and the host of his own Sirius
OutQ radio, Michaelangelo Signorile, Alan Keys said that homosexuality is
"selfish hedonism." Signorile then asked Keyes, the GOP candidate for the US
Senate in Illinois, whether he considered Mary Cheney is a "selfish
hedonist."
"Of course she is," Keyes replied. "That goes by definition. Of course she
is."
"If we embrace homosexuality as a proper basis for marriage, we are saying
that it's possible to have a marriage state that in principle excludes
procreation and is based simply on the premise of selfish hedonism," he told
Signorile and Corey Johnson Sirius OutQ political reporter on air.
So if my dad and his girlfriend, both approaching eighty (and lifelong
Republicans) wanted to marry, Keyes would denounce them as indulging
in selfish hedonism? I guess this also means that Keyes would have
lots of gay sex if he were only more indulgent, since the only obvious
difference is his mind is that we straights are restraining ourselves.
Just doing my duty as a breeder :)
Oh, say - as my wife approaches menopause, does this mean I have a
duty to go find a young gal on the side? Does Keyes have any
daughters?
<Ouch! "Just kidding, dear!" Runs to garage for safety>
Kermit
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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14 Oct 2004 11:24:01 PM |
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On 14 Oct 2004, Tock dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Guess Mom Cheney thinks it's ok for folks to call her daughter a
"selfish hedonist" because she's a lesbian, and not for Kerry to give
their lesbian daughter a compliment.
Blowing off on a tangent here, I've always wondered since we have gays and
lesbians, why don't we create a few more categories. Like Missionaries, or
Doggians? Or perhaps issue licker licenses?
Would a cunnilinguist who stutters get involved in a 6-6-69?
Heh...
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Vote for John Kerry
God belongs in church, not the White House.
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15 Oct 2004 01:26:49 AM |
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In article <ogvtm0t7nsgnanjg3ll4trp3h16ib7d324@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Political remarks attacking her family? Only if you're brain-dead.
John Kerry's remarks indicated sympathy for the Cheney family and
encouraging words for the Cheney daughter. That the daughter's makeup
doesn't sit well with the fundamentalist Christians which make up a
hefty part of the Cheney base is their personal problem.
It's sad when supportive human sympathy generates rage.
http://www.feedroom.com/iframeset.jsp?ord=873377
What I don't understand about the flap is that first, it's no secret
that Cheney's daughter is gay, it's been all over the media for months.
Second. as you point out, Kerry's remarks were kindly. So what are the
Cheneys so pissed about?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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15 Oct 2004 08:52:50 AM |
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What I don't understand about the flap is that first, it's no secret
that Cheney's daughter is gay, it's been all over the media for months.
Second. as you point out, Kerry's remarks were kindly. So what are the
Cheneys so pissed about?
They're not really pissed. They're trying to make a political
mountain out of that mole hill of a remark. The Republicans are
mean-spirited and getting desperate.
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| User: "johac" |
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16 Oct 2004 02:16:12 AM |
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In article <ckole2$6op$1@news.chatlink.com>,
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote:
What I don't understand about the flap is that first, it's no secret
that Cheney's daughter is gay, it's been all over the media for months.
Second. as you point out, Kerry's remarks were kindly. So what are the
Cheneys so pissed about?
They're not really pissed. They're trying to make a political
mountain out of that mole hill of a remark. The Republicans are
mean-spirited and getting desperate.
They are grasping at every straw to make Kerry look bad and their guy
look good. Some pundits are predicting that the next few weeks are going
to be even nastier,
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Oct 2004 09:31:04 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:16:12 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <ckole2$6op$1@news.chatlink.com>,
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote:
What I don't understand about the flap is that first, it's no secret
that Cheney's daughter is gay, it's been all over the media for months.
Second. as you point out, Kerry's remarks were kindly. So what are the
Cheneys so pissed about?
They're not really pissed. They're trying to make a political
mountain out of that mole hill of a remark. The Republicans are
mean-spirited and getting desperate.
They are grasping at every straw to make Kerry look bad and their guy
look good. Some pundits are predicting that the next few weeks are going
to be even nastier,
That's a foregone conclusion.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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15 Oct 2004 12:23:54 PM |
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On Fri 15 Oct 2004 01:26:49a, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> kicked back with a
beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a joint, then fell
asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
What I don't understand about the flap is that first, it's no secret
that Cheney's daughter is gay, it's been all over the media for months.
Second. as you point out, Kerry's remarks were kindly. So what are the
Cheneys so pissed about?
Maybe it will become clearer when you consider that *cruel* remarks about
their daughter don't generate any hostility from them at all.
In other words, they're pissed because Kerry implied that it's ok for their
daughter to be gay.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "johac" |
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16 Oct 2004 02:20:49 AM |
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In article <Xns95837FB8FBD4AMekkala@199.45.49.11>,
Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote:
On Fri 15 Oct 2004 01:26:49a, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> kicked back with a
beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a joint, then fell
asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
What I don't understand about the flap is that first, it's no secret
that Cheney's daughter is gay, it's been all over the media for months.
Second. as you point out, Kerry's remarks were kindly. So what are the
Cheneys so pissed about?
Maybe it will become clearer when you consider that *cruel* remarks about
their daughter don't generate any hostility from them at all.
In other words, they're pissed because Kerry implied that it's ok for their
daughter to be gay.
According to one pundit, in spite of their public statements, they make
actually be ashamed of their daughter. Which would be a shame, because
she seems like she's a reasonable person.
It's all politics and spin.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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16 Oct 2004 11:53:02 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:20:49 -0700 in alt.atheism, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
In article <Xns95837FB8FBD4AMekkala@199.45.49.11>,
Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote:
On Fri 15 Oct 2004 01:26:49a, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> kicked back with a
beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a joint, then fell
asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
What I don't understand about the flap is that first, it's no secret
that Cheney's daughter is gay, it's been all over the media for months.
Second. as you point out, Kerry's remarks were kindly. So what are the
Cheneys so pissed about?
Maybe it will become clearer when you consider that *cruel* remarks about
their daughter don't generate any hostility from them at all.
In other words, they're pissed because Kerry implied that it's ok for their
daughter to be gay.
According to one pundit, in spite of their public statements, they make
actually be ashamed of their daughter. Which would be a shame, because
she seems like she's a reasonable person.
It's all politics and spin.
If they're making any sort of big deal about the "issue" of her sexuality, then
yes, they most certainly _are_ ashamed of her. If they weren't, it would be
"Thanks for the kind words" and otherwise a non-issue. They're clearly very
sensitive about it, or else wish to convey the impression that they are for some
reason. About the only thing that would upset a person who isn't ashamed of
their gay child in comments made _about_ that child would be bashing, and
neither the Democratic candidate nor any of his supporters nor his VP nominee
have done so.
That assumes, just to be generous, of course, that they themselves aren't trying
to use their daughter's sexuality just to gain political points.
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L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
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| User: "Kate " |
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16 Oct 2004 10:05:11 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:53:02 GMT, (Uncle
Dollar Bill) wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:20:49 -0700 in alt.atheism, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
In article <Xns95837FB8FBD4AMekkala@199.45.49.11>,
Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote:
On Fri 15 Oct 2004 01:26:49a, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> kicked back with a
beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a joint, then fell
asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
What I don't understand about the flap is that first, it's no secret
that Cheney's daughter is gay, it's been all over the media for months.
Second. as you point out, Kerry's remarks were kindly. So what are the
Cheneys so pissed about?
Maybe it will become clearer when you consider that *cruel* remarks about
their daughter don't generate any hostility from them at all.
In other words, they're pissed because Kerry implied that it's ok for their
daughter to be gay.
According to one pundit, in spite of their public statements, they make
actually be ashamed of their daughter. Which would be a shame, because
she seems like she's a reasonable person.
It's all politics and spin.
If they're making any sort of big deal about the "issue" of her sexuality, then
yes, they most certainly _are_ ashamed of her. If they weren't, it would be
"Thanks for the kind words" and otherwise a non-issue. They're clearly very
sensitive about it, or else wish to convey the impression that they are for some
reason. About the only thing that would upset a person who isn't ashamed of
their gay child in comments made _about_ that child would be bashing, and
neither the Democratic candidate nor any of his supporters nor his VP nominee
have done so.
That assumes, just to be generous, of course, that they themselves aren't trying
to use their daughter's sexuality just to gain political points.
Since Lynn Cheney is obviously either bi or gay herself, (after
writing that lesbian soft porn book) I think she has some real issues
with her own sexuality.
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17 Oct 2004 02:02:15 AM |
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In article <417437c0.62385875@news-west.newscene.com>,
(Kate ) wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:53:02 GMT, (Uncle
Dollar Bill) wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:20:49 -0700 in alt.atheism, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
In article <Xns95837FB8FBD4AMekkala@199.45.49.11>,
Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote:
On Fri 15 Oct 2004 01:26:49a, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> kicked back with
a
beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a joint, then
fell
asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
What I don't understand about the flap is that first, it's no secret
that Cheney's daughter is gay, it's been all over the media for months.
Second. as you point out, Kerry's remarks were kindly. So what are the
Cheneys so pissed about?
Maybe it will become clearer when you consider that *cruel* remarks about
their daughter don't generate any hostility from them at all.
In other words, they're pissed because Kerry implied that it's ok for
their
daughter to be gay.
According to one pundit, in spite of their public statements, they make
actually be ashamed of their daughter. Which would be a shame, because
she seems like she's a reasonable person.
It's all politics and spin.
If they're making any sort of big deal about the "issue" of her sexuality,
then
yes, they most certainly _are_ ashamed of her. If they weren't, it would be
"Thanks for the kind words" and otherwise a non-issue. They're clearly very
sensitive about it, or else wish to convey the impression that they are for
some
reason. About the only thing that would upset a person who isn't ashamed of
their gay child in comments made _about_ that child would be bashing, and
neither the Democratic candidate nor any of his supporters nor his VP
nominee
have done so.
That assumes, just to be generous, of course, that they themselves aren't
trying
to use their daughter's sexuality just to gain political points.
Since Lynn Cheney is obviously either bi or gay herself, (after
writing that lesbian soft porn book) I think she has some real issues
with her own sexuality.
Strange since she along with Bill Bennet and Jesse Helms were trying to
censor the NEA for some of the things that she was probably writing
herself.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Oct 2004 09:32:58 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2004 10:05:11 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:53:02 GMT, (Uncle
Dollar Bill) wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:20:49 -0700 in alt.atheism, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
In article <Xns95837FB8FBD4AMekkala@199.45.49.11>,
Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote:
On Fri 15 Oct 2004 01:26:49a, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> kicked back with a
beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a joint, then fell
asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
What I don't understand about the flap is that first, it's no secret
that Cheney's daughter is gay, it's been all over the media for months.
Second. as you point out, Kerry's remarks were kindly. So what are the
Cheneys so pissed about?
Maybe it will become clearer when you consider that *cruel* remarks about
their daughter don't generate any hostility from them at all.
In other words, they're pissed because Kerry implied that it's ok for their
daughter to be gay.
According to one pundit, in spite of their public statements, they make
actually be ashamed of their daughter. Which would be a shame, because
she seems like she's a reasonable person.
It's all politics and spin.
If they're making any sort of big deal about the "issue" of her sexuality, then
yes, they most certainly _are_ ashamed of her. If they weren't, it would be
"Thanks for the kind words" and otherwise a non-issue. They're clearly very
sensitive about it, or else wish to convey the impression that they are for some
reason. About the only thing that would upset a person who isn't ashamed of
their gay child in comments made _about_ that child would be bashing, and
neither the Democratic candidate nor any of his supporters nor his VP nominee
have done so.
That assumes, just to be generous, of course, that they themselves aren't trying
to use their daughter's sexuality just to gain political points.
Since Lynn Cheney is obviously either bi or gay herself, (after
writing that lesbian soft porn book) I think she has some real issues
with her own sexuality.
I suspect that's quite common among Christians.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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16 Oct 2004 08:50:22 PM |
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Uncle Dollar Bill wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:20:49 -0700 in alt.atheism, johac
<jhachm@ixpres.com> defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet
stall:
In article <Xns95837FB8FBD4AMekkala@199.45.49.11>,
Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote:
On Fri 15 Oct 2004 01:26:49a, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> kicked back with
a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a joint, then
fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
What I don't understand about the flap is that first, it's no secret
that Cheney's daughter is gay, it's been all over the media for
months. Second. as you point out, Kerry's remarks were kindly. So what
are the Cheneys so pissed about?
Maybe it will become clearer when you consider that *cruel* remarks
about their daughter don't generate any hostility from them at all.
In other words, they're pissed because Kerry implied that it's ok for
their daughter to be gay.
According to one pundit, in spite of their public statements, they make
actually be ashamed of their daughter. Which would be a shame, because
she seems like she's a reasonable person.
It's all politics and spin.
If they're making any sort of big deal about the "issue" of her sexuality,
then
yes, they most certainly _are_ ashamed of her. If they weren't, it would
be
"Thanks for the kind words" and otherwise a non-issue.
Its a ploy. Earlier, the GOP was using Mary Cheney as a gay
spokewoman to keep the Log Cabin gays on the GOP reservation.
Now its a bad thing to mention Mary Cheney?
But it wasn't when the GOP was using her for their ownpurposes.
This all smacks of political theater by Cheney.
Lynn Cheney is an *****.
So are all the far right ***** monkies making an issue of this.
They're clearly
very sensitive about it, or else wish to convey the impression that they
are for some
reason. About the only thing that would upset a person who isn't ashamed
of their gay child in comments made _about_ that child would be bashing,
and neither the Democratic candidate nor any of his supporters nor his VP
nominee have done so.
That assumes, just to be generous, of course, that they themselves aren't
trying to use their daughter's sexuality just to gain political points.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
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17 Oct 2004 01:05:17 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:26:49 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <ogvtm0t7nsgnanjg3ll4trp3h16ib7d324@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Political remarks attacking her family? Only if you're brain-dead.
John Kerry's remarks indicated sympathy for the Cheney family and
encouraging words for the Cheney daughter. That the daughter's makeup
doesn't sit well with the fundamentalist Christians which make up a
hefty part of the Cheney base is their personal problem.
It's sad when supportive human sympathy generates rage.
http://www.feedroom.com/iframeset.jsp?ord=873377
What I don't understand about the flap is that first, it's no secret
that Cheney's daughter is gay, it's been all over the media for months.
Second. as you point out, Kerry's remarks were kindly. So what are the
Cheneys so pissed about?
It reminded their mindless fundamentalist base, as nameless
demonstrated. They didn't like that.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
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| User: "Rune Børsjø" |
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15 Oct 2004 02:34:13 AM |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:26:49 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
What I don't understand about the flap is that first, it's no secret
that Cheney's daughter is gay, it's been all over the media for months.
Second. as you point out, Kerry's remarks were kindly. So what are the
Cheneys so pissed about?
By accusing Kerry of going for a low blow to score points politically,
they hope to score points themselves.
Like you said, it's no secret she's gay. She actively campaigns for
her father. So first, in what sense is she NOT a valid target? And
second, they know damned well Kerry meant no disrespect to her or
other lesbians - that's republican turf!
Basically, it's the name game, and they hope to drag everyone down
with them.
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16 Oct 2004 02:17:33 AM |
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In article <n5vum0h570p7pfuo043iilakq3jclgu8cd@4ax.com>,
Rune B?rsj? <buggeroffm@te.com> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:26:49 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
What I don't understand about the flap is that first, it's no secret
that Cheney's daughter is gay, it's been all over the media for months.
Second. as you point out, Kerry's remarks were kindly. So what are the
Cheneys so pissed about?
By accusing Kerry of going for a low blow to score points politically,
they hope to score points themselves.
Like you said, it's no secret she's gay. She actively campaigns for
her father. So first, in what sense is she NOT a valid target? And
second, they know damned well Kerry meant no disrespect to her or
other lesbians - that's republican turf!
Basically, it's the name game, and they hope to drag everyone down
with them.
Smear and spin. That's all that they have left.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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16 Oct 2004 11:04:49 AM |
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I think the low blows are actually being thrown by the Cheney family
(specifically Lynne) and the republicans. It was pretty convenient for
Lynne and ***** to bring up their daughter when it makes Bush and
Cheney look "compassionate." It would be one thing if they never
brought it up in any speech or anything that furthers their campaign
with moderates...but they have.
For them to publicly talk about Mary being gay, then to turn around
and say that it was a "low blow" or inappropriate should actually clue
the moderates in on how they REALLY feel about gays and lesbians--that
we love 'em but we would rather they stay in their 2X2 closets. We
love 'em, but we don't talk about 'em (unless it will make people
think WE are compassionate). It's like it is some kind of "painful"
subject that shouldn't be raised instead of a simple fact of life.
Would they feel so indignant if Mary had found the cure for cancer and
Kerry mentioned that? Would they feel so indignant if Mary was a
heterosexual and just had a baby and Kerry had mentioned that? Would
they feel so indignant if Mary had MS and Kerry mentioned it and said
we need to do more research etc. etc...
NO, of course they wouldn't. So all this righteous indignation that he
took a "low blow" or used "taaawdry tactics" is simply a symptom that
they were lying through their teeth when they claim not to be ashamed
of her. I think if I were Mary, I would actually be devastated by
their reaction--it is like she is something "unmentionable" and
something to be so ashamed of that no one but her family is ever
allowed to mention her.
I'm sorry that Mom and Dad Cheney are so ashamed of their daughter
being gay that the mere mention of it makes John Kerry a "bad man."
THEY are the ones that I lost whatever shred of respect I had left
for.
Gay people are deeply hurt when their parents react the way the
Cheney's did. If they were really proud of her they would have reacted
differently. For instance if she had been a doctor and Kerry had
brought that up they would not have reacted the way they did.
http://www.geocities.com/jacknichols123/johnjohn.htm
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17 Oct 2004 02:12:02 AM |
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In article <8916096a.0410160804.2c5277d9@posting.google.com>,
(Madelin McKinnon) wrote:
I think the low blows are actually being thrown by the Cheney family
(specifically Lynne) and the republicans. It was pretty convenient for
Lynne and ***** to bring up their daughter when it makes Bush and
Cheney look "compassionate." It would be one thing if they never
brought it up in any speech or anything that furthers their campaign
with moderates...but they have.
For them to publicly talk about Mary being gay, then to turn around
and say that it was a "low blow" or inappropriate should actually clue
the moderates in on how they REALLY feel about gays and lesbians--that
we love 'em but we would rather they stay in their 2X2 closets. We
love 'em, but we don't talk about 'em (unless it will make people
think WE are compassionate). It's like it is some kind of "painful"
subject that shouldn't be raised instead of a simple fact of life.
Would they feel so indignant if Mary had found the cure for cancer and
Kerry mentioned that? Would they feel so indignant if Mary was a
heterosexual and just had a baby and Kerry had mentioned that? Would
they feel so indignant if Mary had MS and Kerry mentioned it and said
we need to do more research etc. etc...
NO, of course they wouldn't. So all this righteous indignation that he
took a "low blow" or used "taaawdry tactics" is simply a symptom that
they were lying through their teeth when they claim not to be ashamed
of her. I think if I were Mary, I would actually be devastated by
their reaction--it is like she is something "unmentionable" and
something to be so ashamed of that no one but her family is ever
allowed to mention her.
I'm sorry that Mom and Dad Cheney are so ashamed of their daughter
being gay that the mere mention of it makes John Kerry a "bad man."
THEY are the ones that I lost whatever shred of respect I had left
for.
Gay people are deeply hurt when their parents react the way the
Cheney's did. If they were really proud of her they would have reacted
differently. For instance if she had been a doctor and Kerry had
brought that up they would not have reacted the way they did.
http://www.geocities.com/jacknichols123/johnjohn.htm
What is so ironic is that in the Vice Presidential debate, Edwards made
a similar comment and ***** Cheney even thanked him. It's all political
gamesmanship.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "Apostate" |
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17 Oct 2004 12:11:07 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:12:02 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <8916096a.0410160804.2c5277d9@posting.google.com>,
rstacey@runbox.com (Madelin McKinnon) wrote:
I think the low blows are actually being thrown by the Cheney family
(specifically Lynne) and the republicans. It was pretty convenient for
Lynne and ***** to bring up their daughter when it makes Bush and
Cheney look "compassionate." It would be one thing if they never
brought it up in any speech or anything that furthers their campaign
with moderates...but they have.
For them to publicly talk about Mary being gay, then to turn around
and say that it was a "low blow" or inappropriate should actually clue
the moderates in on how they REALLY feel about gays and lesbians--that
we love 'em but we would rather they stay in their 2X2 closets. We
love 'em, but we don't talk about 'em (unless it will make people
think WE are compassionate). It's like it is some kind of "painful"
subject that shouldn't be raised instead of a simple fact of life.
Would they feel so indignant if Mary had found the cure for cancer and
Kerry mentioned that? Would they feel so indignant if Mary was a
heterosexual and just had a baby and Kerry had mentioned that? Would
they feel so indignant if Mary had MS and Kerry mentioned it and said
we need to do more research etc. etc...
NO, of course they wouldn't. So all this righteous indignation that he
took a "low blow" or used "taaawdry tactics" is simply a symptom that
they were lying through their teeth when they claim not to be ashamed
of her. I think if I were Mary, I would actually be devastated by
their reaction--it is like she is something "unmentionable" and
something to be so ashamed of that no one but her family is ever
allowed to mention her.
I'm sorry that Mom and Dad Cheney are so ashamed of their daughter
being gay that the mere mention of it makes John Kerry a "bad man."
THEY are the ones that I lost whatever shred of respect I had left
for.
Gay people are deeply hurt when their parents react the way the
Cheney's did. If they were really proud of her they would have reacted
differently. For instance if she had been a doctor and Kerry had
brought that up they would not have reacted the way they did.
http://www.geocities.com/jacknichols123/johnjohn.htm
What is so ironic is that in the Vice Presidential debate, Edwards made
a similar comment and ***** Cheney even thanked him. It's all political
gamesmanship.
Sure. It's obvious: the Republicans were left with nothing to talk about out of
the third debate, so they had to spin something out of whole cloth (mixed metaphor
acknowledged.) Mirabile fucking dictu, the Republican Party has suddenly discovered
the dignity and sanctity of shutting the ***** up about other people's sexuality, but
only if blocking the fact out of public consciousness confers a temporary political
advantage on them at a time when they'd much rather be raising a crescendo of
hoohaw over their shamelessly opportunistic staged-for-televison-at-election-time
Crusade To Save Marriage From The Constitution Amendment. To Lynn Cheney,
it takes a bad man to shake that inherent hypocrisy out of the Party line.
--
/Apostate
atheist #1931 I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer
EAC Supernumerary Deputy Director, Department of Redundancy Department
plonked by Lani_girl, first post; Billions Served!
I doubt, therefore I might be.
For e-mail, hold that tiger!
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| User: "johac" |
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18 Oct 2004 12:19:04 AM |
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In article <e695n01fk2s79egkbmo38hmlbj1stfh7b2@4ax.com>,
Apostate <Apostate.invalid@yeehaw.org> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:12:02 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <8916096a.0410160804.2c5277d9@posting.google.com>,
rstacey@runbox.com (Madelin McKinnon) wrote:
I think the low blows are actually being thrown by the Cheney family
(specifically Lynne) and the republicans. It was pretty convenient for
Lynne and ***** to bring up their daughter when it makes Bush and
Cheney look "compassionate." It would be one thing if they never
brought it up in any speech or anything that furthers their campaign
with moderates...but they have.
For them to publicly talk about Mary being gay, then to turn around
and say that it was a "low blow" or inappropriate should actually clue
the moderates in on how they REALLY feel about gays and lesbians--that
we love 'em but we would rather they stay in their 2X2 closets. We
love 'em, but we don't talk about 'em (unless it will make people
think WE are compassionate). It's like it is some kind of "painful"
subject that shouldn't be raised instead of a simple fact of life.
Would they feel so indignant if Mary had found the cure for cancer and
Kerry mentioned that? Would they feel so indignant if Mary was a
heterosexual and just had a baby and Kerry had mentioned that? Would
they feel so indignant if Mary had MS and Kerry mentioned it and said
we need to do more research etc. etc...
NO, of course they wouldn't. So all this righteous indignation that he
took a "low blow" or used "taaawdry tactics" is simply a symptom that
they were lying through their teeth when they claim not to be ashamed
of her. I think if I were Mary, I would actually be devastated by
their reaction--it is like she is something "unmentionable" and
something to be so ashamed of that no one but her family is ever
allowed to mention her.
I'm sorry that Mom and Dad Cheney are so ashamed of their daughter
being gay that the mere mention of it makes John Kerry a "bad man."
THEY are the ones that I lost whatever shred of respect I had left
for.
Gay people are deeply hurt when their parents react the way the
Cheney's did. If they were really proud of her they would have reacted
differently. For instance if she had been a doctor and Kerry had
brought that up they would not have reacted the way they did.
http://www.geocities.com/jacknichols123/johnjohn.htm
What is so ironic is that in the Vice Presidential debate, Edwards made
a similar comment and ***** Cheney even thanked him. It's all political
gamesmanship.
Sure. It's obvious: the Republicans were left with nothing to talk about
out of
the third debate, so they had to spin something out of whole cloth (mixed
metaphor
acknowledged.) Mirabile fucking dictu, the Republican Party has suddenly
discovered
the dignity and sanctity of shutting the ***** up about other people's
sexuality, but
only if blocking the fact out of public consciousness confers a temporary
political
advantage on them at a time when they'd much rather be raising a crescendo
of
hoohaw over their shamelessly opportunistic
staged-for-televison-at-election-time
Crusade To Save Marriage From The Constitution Amendment. To Lynn Cheney,
it takes a bad man to shake that inherent hypocrisy out of the Party line.
They only raise issues like these to distract the voters from the major
problems of this administration, the war and foreign relations, the
economy and unemployment, and healthcare and paying for social security.
The other major issue that is not getting enough attention is the
environment. I could add more but any one of these is far more important
than what Kerry said about Cheney's daughter.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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16 Oct 2004 12:17:35 PM |
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Madelin McKinnon wrote:
I think the low blows are actually being thrown by the Cheney family
(specifically Lynne) and the republicans. It was pretty convenient for
Lynne and ***** to bring up their daughter when it makes Bush and
Cheney look "compassionate." It would be one thing if they never
brought it up in any speech or anything that furthers their campaign
with moderates...but they have.
(snip)
Gay people are deeply hurt when their parents react the way the
Cheney's did. If they were really proud of her they would have reacted
differently. For instance if she had been a doctor and Kerry had
brought that up they would not have reacted the way they did.
I agree, completely. If Kerry had said we are all God's children and
the Vice Presidents daughter is the doctor (musician, educator,
mother, etc.) she was born to be, how could anyone get upset. Their
criticism of Kerry is either a heartless (with respect to their
daughter's feelings) political tactic or they are terribly ashamed of
her, or both. I can't see any other possibilities.
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John Popelish
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16 Oct 2004 12:40:37 PM |
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John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in
news:417157AF.A813CE2E@rica.net:
Madelin McKinnon wrote:
I think the low blows are actually being thrown by the Cheney family
(specifically Lynne) and the republicans. It was pretty convenient
for Lynne and ***** to bring up their daughter when it makes Bush and
Cheney look "compassionate." It would be one thing if they never
brought it up in any speech or anything that furthers their campaign
with moderates...but they have.
(snip)
Gay people are deeply hurt when their parents react the way the
Cheney's did. If they were really proud of her they would have
reacted differently. For instance if she had been a doctor and Kerry
had brought that up they would not have reacted the way they did.
I agree, completely. If Kerry had said we are all God's children and
the Vice Presidents daughter is the doctor (musician, educator,
mother, etc.) she was born to be, how could anyone get upset. Their
criticism of Kerry is either a heartless (with respect to their
daughter's feelings) political tactic or they are terribly ashamed of
her, or both. I can't see any other possibilities.
What business does Kerry have using their daughter's name, or especially
putting words in her mouth in the first place? "Fair game" indeed.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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16 Oct 2004 12:42:04 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:17:35 -0400, John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net>
wrote:
Madelin McKinnon wrote:
I think the low blows are actually being thrown by the Cheney family
(specifically Lynne) and the republicans. It was pretty convenient for
Lynne and ***** to bring up their daughter when it makes Bush and
Cheney look "compassionate." It would be one thing if they never
brought it up in any speech or anything that furthers their campaign
with moderates...but they have.
(snip)
Gay people are deeply hurt when their parents react the way the
Cheney's did. If they were really proud of her they would have reacted
differently. For instance if she had been a doctor and Kerry had
brought that up they would not have reacted the way they did.
I agree, completely. If Kerry had said we are all God's children and
the Vice Presidents daughter is the doctor (musician, educator,
mother, etc.) she was born to be, how could anyone get upset. Their
criticism of Kerry is either a heartless (with respect to their
daughter's feelings) political tactic or they are terribly ashamed of
her, or both. I can't see any other possibilities.
I suspect it's the former on her father's part (it would be difficult
for me to think of any politician more cynical and calculating than
***** Cheney, nor do I get the impression that he really personally
cares one way or the other about anyone's sexual orientation), and the
latter on her mother's part.
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| User: "Apostate" |
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16 Oct 2004 01:04:37 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:17:35 -0400, John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote:
Madelin McKinnon wrote:
I think the low blows are actually being thrown by the Cheney family
(specifically Lynne) and the republicans. It was pretty convenient for
Lynne and ***** to bring up their daughter when it makes Bush and
Cheney look "compassionate." It would be one thing if they never
brought it up in any speech or anything that furthers their campaign
with moderates...but they have.
(snip)
Gay people are deeply hurt when their parents react the way the
Cheney's did. If they were really proud of her they would have reacted
differently. For instance if she had been a doctor and Kerry had
brought that up they would not have reacted the way they did.
I agree, completely. If Kerry had said we are all God's children and
the Vice Presidents daughter is the doctor (musician, educator,
mother, etc.) she was born to be, how could anyone get upset. Their
criticism of Kerry is either a heartless (with respect to their
daughter's feelings) political tactic or they are terribly ashamed of
her, or both. I can't see any other possibilities.
Well here's another one: they're Republicans, and that entails being numb to every
other consideration save 'what spin will tilt the dopes in the cheap seats another
half-degree toward our side?' When they run for their first elective office, or accept
their first political appointment, they get shots against having **any** human-appropriate
feelings or principles.
--
/Apostate
atheist #1931 I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer
EAC Supernumerary Deputy Director, Department of Redundancy Department
plonked by Lani_girl, first post; Billions Served!
I doubt, therefore I might be.
For e-mail, hold that tiger!
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16 Oct 2004 03:56:54 PM |
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Apostate wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:17:35 -0400, John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote:
I agree, completely. If Kerry had said we are all God's children and
the Vice Presidents daughter is the doctor (musician, educator,
mother, etc.) she was born to be, how could anyone get upset. Their
criticism of Kerry is either a heartless (with respect to their
daughter's feelings) political tactic or they are terribly ashamed of
her, or both. I can't see any other possibilities.
Well here's another one: they're Republicans,
and that entails being numb to every other consideration
save 'what spin will tilt the dopes in the cheap seats
another half-degree toward our side?'
When they run for their first elective office,
or accept their first political appointment, they get shots
against having **any** human-appropriate feelings or principles.
Well, of course, there is that.
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John Popelish
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Oct 2004 09:23:30 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:56:54 -0400, John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net>
wrote:
Apostate wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:17:35 -0400, John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote:
I agree, completely. If Kerry had said we are all God's children and
the Vice Presidents daughter is the doctor (musician, educator,
mother, etc.) she was born to be, how could anyone get upset. Their
criticism of Kerry is either a heartless (with respect to their
daughter's feelings) political tactic or they are terribly ashamed of
her, or both. I can't see any other possibilities.
Well here's another one: they're Republicans,
and that entails being numb to every other consideration
save 'what spin will tilt the dopes in the cheap seats
another half-degree toward our side?'
When they run for their first elective office,
or accept their first political appointment, they get shots
against having **any** human-appropriate feelings or principles.
Well, of course, there is that.
I haven't seen the top of the repugnican pyramid have any
human-appropriate feelings much less principles.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "Chris" |
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15 Oct 2004 11:36:19 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message news:<jhachm-C7D9B8.23264914102004@news.giganews.com>...
In article <ogvtm0t7nsgnanjg3ll4trp3h16ib7d324@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Political remarks attacking her family? Only if you're brain-dead.
John Kerry's remarks indicated sympathy for the Cheney family and
encouraging words for the Cheney daughter. That the daughter's makeup
doesn't sit well with the fundamentalist Christians which make up a
hefty part of the Cheney base is their personal problem.
It's sad when supportive human sympathy generates rage.
http://www.feedroom.com/iframeset.jsp?ord=873377
What I don't understand about the flap is that first, it's no secret
that Cheney's daughter is gay, it's been all over the media for months.
Second. as you point out, Kerry's remarks were kindly. So what are the
Cheneys so pissed about?
And even more hypocritically, why are they reacting like this after
***** Cheney THANKED Edwards last week during the VP debates when
Edwards did the EXACT SAME THING?
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