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"wmech" |
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28 Sep 2007 09:55:30 AM |
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A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
There are over a thousand different God beliefs. This makes it difficult to
determine which, if any, is the real God.
If there is a real God why does he not make it clear by anouncing from his
heaven he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes? Why does he not
smite all the fakes?
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| User: "Midnight" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
28 Sep 2007 07:40:50 PM |
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"wmech" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote :
If there is a real God why does he not make it clear by anouncing from
his heaven he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes? Why does
he not smite all the fakes?
Why would 'he'? Perhaps this very question is based on an assumption that
the 'real' God must be the God described variously by the three mainstream
monotheistic faiths? But what if the 'real' God isn't that particular one?
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
29 Sep 2007 11:14:06 AM |
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"Midnight" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
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"wmech" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote :
If there is a real God why does he not make it clear by anouncing from
his heaven he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes? Why does
he not smite all the fakes?
Why would 'he'? Perhaps this very question is based on an assumption that
the 'real' God must be the God described variously by the three mainstream
monotheistic faiths? But what if the 'real' God isn't that particular
one?
What does dodging and weaving contribute???
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| User: "Midnight" |
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29 Sep 2007 06:47:29 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote :
Why would 'he'? Perhaps this very question is based on an assumption
that the 'real' God must be the God described variously by the three
mainstream monotheistic faiths? But what if the 'real' God isn't
that particular one?
What does dodging and weaving contribute???
Bill, you've done better than this on this point before. Why so weak this
time?
Come on: you know as well as I do that you have trouble imagining any other
model of 'god' than the Christian one.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
30 Sep 2007 07:13:12 AM |
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"Midnight" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote :
Why would 'he'? Perhaps this very question is based on an assumption
that the 'real' God must be the God described variously by the three
mainstream monotheistic faiths? But what if the 'real' God isn't
that particular one?
What does dodging and weaving contribute???
Bill, you've done better than this on this point before. Why so weak this
time?
Come on: you know as well as I do that you have trouble imagining any
other
model of 'god' than the Christian one.
Still dodging and weaving!
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| User: "Midnight" |
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01 Oct 2007 10:08:05 AM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote :
Bill, you've done better than this on this point before. Why so weak
this time?
Come on: you know as well as I do that you have trouble imagining any
other
model of 'god' than the Christian one.
Still dodging and weaving!
.... and waiting patiently for an answer with some content.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
01 Oct 2007 01:11:15 PM |
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"Midnight" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote :
Bill, you've done better than this on this point before. Why so weak
this time?
Come on: you know as well as I do that you have trouble imagining any
other
model of 'god' than the Christian one.
Still dodging and weaving!
... and waiting patiently for an answer with some content.
For your inlightenment here is the original post;
"There are over a thousand different God beliefs. This makes it difficult to
determine which, if any, is the real God.
If there is a real God why does he not make it clear by anouncing from his
heaven he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes? Why does he not
smite all the fakes?"
You have totally failed throughtout your posts to offer ANY answers.
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| User: "Midnight" |
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02 Oct 2007 02:58:57 AM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote :
For your inlightenment here is the original post;
"There are over a thousand different God beliefs. This makes it
difficult to determine which, if any, is the real God.
If there is a real God why does he not make it clear by anouncing from
his heaven he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes? Why does
he not smite all the fakes?"
You have totally failed throughtout your posts to offer ANY answers.
Actually my intention wasn't to provide answers - at least not until you'd
corrected the question. See, as we've discussed many times before, you
have this tendency to talk about 'thousands of god beliefs', and then base
your questions and challenges on your personal expectations of how the
Christian God should behave.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
01 Oct 2007 06:33:02 PM |
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"Midnight" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote :
Bill, you've done better than this on this point before. Why so weak
this time?
Come on: you know as well as I do that you have trouble imagining any
other model of 'god' than the Christian one.
Still dodging and weaving!
... and waiting patiently for an answer with some content.
You won't get that, for Bill's advanced age only permits him to copy and
paste.
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| User: "Midnight" |
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02 Oct 2007 02:59:45 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote :
You won't get that, for Bill's advanced age only permits him to copy and
paste.
Bill does tend towards repetition, it's true - but if I were you, Frank,
I'd be careful before I started casting stones.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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02 Oct 2007 05:43:46 PM |
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"Midnight" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote :
You won't get that, for Bill's advanced age only permits him to copy and
paste.
Bill does tend towards repetition, it's true - but if I were you, Frank,
I'd be careful before I started casting stones.
LOL what about you "casting stones" at me, without bothering to provide
any evidence for my need to "be careful"? Why not quote my repetitive
Biblical quotes as evidence and be blessed beyond measure by them, as I am?
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| User: "Midnight" |
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03 Oct 2007 05:36:15 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote :
LOL what about you "casting stones" at me, without bothering to
provide
any evidence for my need to "be careful"? Why not quote my repetitive
Biblical quotes as evidence
Now, that's interesting. Who said anything about Bible quotes, Frank?
Being innocent of the accusation, how would you know what it was, if I
hadn't told you?
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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30 Sep 2007 09:07:23 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Midnight" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote :
Why would 'he'? Perhaps this very question is based on an assumption
that the 'real' God must be the God described variously by the three
mainstream monotheistic faiths? But what if the 'real' God isn't
that particular one?
What does dodging and weaving contribute???
Bill, you've done better than this on this point before. Why so weak
this
time?
Come on: you know as well as I do that you have trouble imagining any
other model of 'god' than the Christian one.
Still dodging and weaving!
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
John 3:3)
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| User: "John Smith" |
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01 Oct 2007 05:09:59 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Midnight" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote :
Why would 'he'? Perhaps this very question is based on an assumption
that the 'real' God must be the God described variously by the three
mainstream monotheistic faiths? But what if the 'real' God isn't
that particular one?
What does dodging and weaving contribute???
Bill, you've done better than this on this point before. Why so weak
this
time?
Come on: you know as well as I do that you have trouble imagining any
other model of 'god' than the Christian one.
Still dodging and weaving!
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
John 3:3)
Atheists don't know YOUR god because it is nothing more than a fabricated,
mentally corrupt, delusion.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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01 Oct 2007 11:59:45 PM |
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"John Smith" <bobsyoungbro@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Midnight" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote :
Why would 'he'? Perhaps this very question is based on an assumption
that the 'real' God must be the God described variously by the three
mainstream monotheistic faiths? But what if the 'real' God isn't
that particular one?
What does dodging and weaving contribute???
Bill, you've done better than this on this point before. Why so weak
this
time?
Come on: you know as well as I do that you have trouble imagining any
other model of 'god' than the Christian one.
Still dodging and weaving!
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
John 3:3)
Atheists don't know YOUR god because it is nothing more than a fabricated,
mentally corrupt, delusion.
I presume you have evidence for that of course and are probably waiting
for suitable remuneration for the copyright before releasing your evidence?
Btw as I mentioned above, our Christian "God is love", and only atheists
believe love is "fabricated,
mentally corrupt, delusion". I bet YOUR god or devil is disbelief.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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30 Sep 2007 06:27:22 PM |
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"Midnight" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
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"wmech" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote :
If there is a real God why does he not make it clear by anouncing from
his heaven he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes? Why does
he not smite all the fakes?
Why would 'he'? Perhaps this very question is based on an assumption that
the 'real' God must be the God described variously by the three mainstream
monotheistic faiths? But what if the 'real' God isn't that particular
one?
You got that right. No "god" or devil of atheist definition exists. They
make sure of that, by defining the word "god" as ludicrously as possible.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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30 Sep 2007 06:22:13 PM |
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"wmech" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There are over a thousand different God beliefs. This makes it difficult
to determine which, if any, is the real God.
If there is a real God why does he not make it clear by anouncing from his
heaven he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes? Why does he not
smite all the fakes?
God does, but you and many others, won't listen, no matter what. See
below
Pastor Frank
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
John 3:3)
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| User: "Lee me@localhost" |
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18 Oct 2007 09:08:35 AM |
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"wmech" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There are over a thousand different God beliefs. This makes it difficult
to determine which, if any, is the real God.
If there is a real God why does he not make it clear by anouncing from his
heaven he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes? Why does he not
smite all the fakes?
Because all these gods stick together and look after each others interest.
You get one God strutting his stuff in front of mankind and it would spoil
the game for all of the thousands of other deity's.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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28 Sep 2007 06:03:54 PM |
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"wmech" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There are over a thousand different God beliefs. This makes it difficult
to determine which, if any, is the real God.
If there is a real God why does he not make it clear by anouncing from his
heaven he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes? Why does he not
smite all the fakes?
Because neither he nor the other so-called
'gods' exist.
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| User: "Midnight" |
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28 Sep 2007 07:41:51 PM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote :
Because neither he nor the other so-called
'gods' exist.
That, I think you'll find, is Bill's point. It's just that he likes to
take a lot of words to say "I don't believe in any gods".
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| User: "Bill M" |
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29 Sep 2007 11:12:30 AM |
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"Midnight" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote :
Because neither he nor the other so-called
'gods' exist.
That, I think you'll find, is Bill's point. It's just that he likes to
take a lot of words to say "I don't believe in any gods".
YOU DO NOT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A QUESTION AND A
STATEMENT!
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| User: "Midnight" |
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29 Sep 2007 06:45:57 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote :
YOU DO NOT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A QUESTION AND A
STATEMENT!
Stressed, Bill?
Actually, I do. But I also understand that a question can carry a
statement - as is the case here. After all, how many times have you asked
the same questions in the same way? And how many times have you ever shown
any interest in any answer that doesn't correspond with your own point of
view?
You don't believe in gods. That's fine. You're entitled to that choice.
But you also have a deep and abiding contempt - perhaps even hatred - for
those who see things differently, regardless of what religion or what god
or gods they might follow. And it's that contempt alone that your
'questions' are intended to express.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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30 Sep 2007 07:11:36 AM |
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"Midnight" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote :
YOU DO NOT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A QUESTION AND A
STATEMENT!
Stressed, Bill?
Actually, I do. But I also understand that a question can carry a
statement - as is the case here. After all, how many times have you asked
the same questions in the same way? And how many times have you ever
shown
any interest in any answer that doesn't correspond with your own point of
view?
You don't believe in gods. That's fine. You're entitled to that choice.
But you also have a deep and abiding contempt - perhaps even hatred - for
those who see things differently, regardless of what religion or what god
or gods they might follow. And it's that contempt alone that your
'questions' are intended to express.
In your deluded 'opinion'!
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| User: "Midnight" |
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01 Oct 2007 10:07:39 AM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote :
In your deluded 'opinion'!
Yes, in my opinion. Everything here is opinion, Bill, by definition. If
my opinion differs from yours, it's a given you'll think I'm wrong. And
once I've expressed my opinion, you then have a simple choice to address it
or not.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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30 Sep 2007 06:35:07 PM |
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"Midnight" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote :
Because neither he nor the other so-called
'gods' exist.
That, I think you'll find, is Bill's point. It's just that he likes to
take a lot of words to say "I don't believe in any gods".
There is no dearth of existing gods and devils, just take look in
ancient History Museums. I own a couple as well, they are valuable antiques,
and they are guaranteed gods, for they have been prayed to, worshipped,
sacrifice to and some even are said to have performed miracles. In other
word they have all the credentials of gods. How is it, that you don't know
any of this? See below
Pastor Frank
Jeremiah 10:5: Their gods are upright as the palm tree, but speak not.
They must needs be borne, for they cannot go. Be not afraid of them, for
they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
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| User: "Midnight" |
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02 Oct 2007 03:02:19 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote :
How is it, that you don't know any of this?
I'm curious why you assume that I don't. Aside the bit about your own
personal 'gods' (although I believe you have tried to employ them as a
gambit before), which obviously is your business, and not common knowledge.
But where 'your' gods are concerned my main question would be why a devout
Christian would want to possess false idols in the first place.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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02 Oct 2007 08:58:10 PM |
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"Midnight" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote :
How is it, that you don't know any of this?
I'm curious why you assume that I don't. Aside the bit about your own
personal 'gods' (although I believe you have tried to employ them as a
gambit before), which obviously is your business, and not common
knowledge.
But where 'your' gods are concerned my main question would be why a devout
Christian would want to possess false idols in the first place.
You didn't leave enough of my post for anyone to ascertain what you are
commenting on, and that includes me.
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| User: "Midnight" |
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03 Oct 2007 07:29:06 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote :
You didn't leave enough of my post for anyone to ascertain what
you are
commenting on, and that includes me.
Rubbish. You know how your newsreader works, I would hope. You just want
to avoid answering. Nothing new there.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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03 Oct 2007 06:01:16 PM |
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"Midnight" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote :
You didn't leave enough of my post for anyone to ascertain what
you are commenting on, and that includes me.
Rubbish. You know how your newsreader works, I would hope. You just want
to avoid answering. Nothing new there.
Since you don't explain, you just proved you don't know either. "Nothing
new here"!!!
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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28 Sep 2007 05:10:08 PM |
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"wmech" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There are over a thousand different God beliefs. This makes it difficult
to determine which, if any, is the real God.
If there is a real God why does he not make it clear by anouncing from his
heaven he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes? Why does he not
smite all the fakes?
He does, constantly. All the fakes have done been smote and God is on TV
right now.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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28 Sep 2007 08:46:43 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:55:30 +0100, "wmech" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
There are over a thousand different God beliefs. This makes it difficult to
determine which, if any, is the real God.
If there is a real God why does he not make it clear by anouncing from his
heaven he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes? Why does he not
smite all the fakes?
A very simple answer:
Because there are no gods.
End of exercise.
And it is incumbent on anyone who claims that there are such things,
to provide proof.
As no-one in the entire history of the human race has got even close
to poroviding even a scrap of evidence for same, I'd say that the
chances of some pathetic delusional dweeb posting the very first
evidence in reply to this message is vanishingly slim to the point of
laughable impossibility.
Although I'm certain that some drooling indoctrinated imbecile will
have a go, giving us all either a good laugh, or leave us shaking our
heads wondering what has gone wrong with the mental health-care
system.
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