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aa - The polls are open! AQOTM for August 2003 |
Ah, the end of August! Ozone alerts, air so thick you can drink it!
Crimony, but I can't wait for the first frost!
Here are the nominations for Atheist Quote of the Month for August 2003.
Vote for your favorite by responding to this thread. Votes will be
accepted until midnight, August 31. See rules below. Questions?
Comments? Email me.
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1) Well, maybe its time to remind the Vatican of the pronouncments of
archaeology. There was no Egyptian captivity, no exodus, no 40 years
wandering, no Moses and Joshua ethnic cleansing Canaan.
Thus, no Moses on the Mount, no laws of god from god himself, no godly
prohibitions against homosexual relations, it is all a billy goat herder
priest set of lies.
The cult, er, church, should pass this by and do good works for poor
people, especially in South America where the Stupid Cult's insane
dogmas have helped create massive slums.
Everytime these morons open their moron mouths, the fact that
archaeology has debunked any reason for moron cults to mewl about
homosexual marriages should be loudly mentioned.
By: Wbarwell
Nominated: Beowulf
Seconded: John Popelish
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2) Re the NIV Bible:
I call it the New and Improved Version. It was when some people got
together for a bible revision and said "We can't put THAT in there..."
By: Unit335
Nominated: Liz
Seconded: Robibnikoff
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3) Emperor's New Clothes argument. "I can't show you my evidence,
because my evidence is so superior it can only be detected by those who
possess Virtue X (where Virtue X is intelligence, spirituality,
humility, or whatever), and you are too crude to possess it. The very
fact that you doubt me proves that you are unworthy to question my
assertions."
The problem with this approach is that it is a universal proof. Defends
any possible or fictitious notion with equal ease, and is entirely
unrelated to whether or not the point being defended is actually
objectively true.
By: Mark Nutter
Nominated: Mark Richardson
Seconded: Ghost Rider
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4) It is certainly true that if you look around at the world and ask,
"Who made all this?", you will come to believe in a creator - because
the question is phrased so as to presuppose that answer. (How do you
even know it's a "who"?) A better question, which atheists do ask, would
be, "How did all this get here?", and then search for an answer that is
supported by evidence.
By: Adam Marczyk
Nominated: Nemo
Seconded: MAYA
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5) Honesty should be rewarded, or at least recognised; and, failing
that, used for a good giggle.
By: Martin Crisp
Nominated: Douglas Berry
Seconded: Indefual
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6) And I got to thinking that christians (of course) do these things all
the time. When you think about it, it doesn't make sense. Let's give god
the credit for the good, let's blame ourselves for the bad. If we can't
blame ourselves, let's blame the devil. And if that doesn't work, let's
say "God works in mysterious ways." Nothing but escapism really.
By: juliekale
Nominated: Robibnikoff
Seconded: Dr. Smartass
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7) You know, when *you* come into our newsgroup uninvited - when you
come to a gathering place for atheists where invasive, pushy
proselytizers such as yourself are explicitly unwelcome - when you then
post a screed entitled "The True Goal of Atheism" which is founded on
the idea that you know what or how atheists think better than atheists
do, and contains numerous insults directed against us (such as the claim
that we desire an America that is "completely immoral", or the claim
that "hope for a positive future is impossible in a godless society") -
at the very least, you should have the common decency not to be
surprised when you then receive angry, hostile responses. You are simply
being treated with the same rudeness and lack of respect you have shown
to us, and deservedly so. You do not deserve civil responses until you
show yourself capable of posting civil statements. What do you think
would happen if I barged into a church's Sunday sermon shouting that all
Christians desire slavery and oppression, that Christian morality is
based on hatred and fear, and that hope for the future is impossible as
long as people continue to believe in Christianity? What sort of
response do you think I would get? That is an exact analogy to the
arrogant, obnoxious and disruptive behavior you have so far displayed in
our newsgroup.
By: Adam Marczyk
Nominated: jwk
Seconded: Nemo
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8) Evolution is theory not faith.
Theory is used to explain,
faith is used to deny.
By: gblack
Nominated: Levy Oates
Seconded: towelie
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9) The Uniting Church is also have the same sort of fun. As for the
Catholic Church it will not be changing full stop. It can depend on
continued loyalty of the flock who, like a battered wife, will keep
coming back for more abuse. It is the nature of batter wife syndrome for
the abused to believe that they can change the abuser and to remain
loyal for that reason. So it is with battered worshipper syndrome.
By: Meteorite Debris
Nominated: Steve Knight
Seconded: Craig McDonald (Red Celt)
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10) In response to:
We don't literally hear His voice as in the OT.
Yeah, gods used to have real voices, but nowadays they speak through
inexplicable "ootsie" feelings. That's the problem with gods --three
thousand years ago, their voices were as loud as thunder, but now their
voices can't be distinguished from constipation.
By: John Hattan
Nominated: JackNunn
Seconded: Mark K. Bilbo
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11) In response to:
Almost all religions claim their God is the only true God. Which is the real God and
which are the phonies?
Various countries have different versions of
Santa-Claus/Father-Christmas, and they don't recognize those of other
countries. Does that mean that one Santa must necessarily be the real
one?
By: John Hattan
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: raven1
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12) Religious symbols seem to get simpler through the ages. No more
complex likenesses of the gods, or even symbols like the Ankh that don't
crop up in nature. Now it's just two perpendicular lines. That way,
xians can see traces of their god in simpler things, like when two
crossbeams get found in a pile of rubble. I predict that the next
evolution will be a mere straight line. That way, they can see
confirmation of their god in every light post, sidewalk crack and
horizon so they don't have to see anything more complicated to confuse
their fantasies with the reality around them.
By: Soylent Grin
Nominated: K Knight
Seconded: towelie
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13) In response to "cooking with dung" passage from the Bible:
I attended a few bible studies, this topic was being discussed. They
were talking about who will be the man. They were going to follow the
bible.
They said that there are different interpetations of this but this is
what they believed.
They talked over an hour making plans to do this.
They were going to eat a man's human feces to worship 'their' god. They
had a list of names of men who practiced this and would produce the
feces.
They talked about a substitution for the kids. They talked about not
using a substatute for the kids.
Now we have the christians 'infiltrating' the governemnt, taking back
the land for god.
-Me, I don't trust 'their' judgement.
By: Georg Ten Brouck
Nominated: Clayton Episode 1...The Farting Menace
Seconded: K Knight
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14) I suppose that they believe that "religious freedom" means the
freedom to persecute anyone who doesn't agree with their sect.
By: johac
Nominated: Gregory Gadow
Seconded: Douglas Berry
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15) I have nothing against religion, but theology drives me crazy. It is
more obscure than physics, but the hard parts of physics can become
clearer by studying, whereas the hard parts of theology never become
clearer. And if two scientists disagree about some principle of
physics, they devise a test and eventually there is a resolution,
whereas if two theologians disagree about some point of theology, all
they can do is try to discredit (at best) or murder (at worst) the
other's followers.
By: Rob Strom
Nominated: raven1
Seconded: TCS
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16) I'm unsure if believers want to appear rational so much as they want
to "feel" that their own belief is rational and that others are either
too stupid or uneducated to appreciate this fact. This feeling gives
them a sense of comfort and superiority that is necessary to propound
the irrational as if it were commonplace knowledge.
By: Liz
Nominated: Cookie Monster
Seconded: david asman
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17) I've got no problem being called obnoxious, but people who make
end-of-the-world predictions and magical string-art dictated by spectral
beings that visit them in their kitchen aren't speaking from a position
of strength regarding the delusions of others.
By: John Hattan
Nominated: Douglas Berry
Seconded: Dr. Smartass
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18) In response to:
How many times ya gonna go changin yer mind now ?
As many times as it takes to get it right. Why, would you stop changing
your mind BEFORE you get it right?
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Craig McDonald
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19) Atheists don't need to define and categorize religious people.
Atheism is not a body of beliefs. Religious monotheists need to
categorize and classify everything in an attempt to explain away the
contradictions and irrationality of their religion, because to believe
lies you end up having to try to explain away the truth.
By: Dr. DuFonet
Nominated: John Popelish
Seconded: Ghost Rider
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20) In response to:
What is the Atheist definition of a "religious fanatic"?
anyone who thinks they are doing the will of god and causes someone else
to suffer for it.
By: Woden
Nominated: Indefual
Seconded: David Opstad
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Here are the rules for the Quote of the Month Contests.
RULES
1. Only atheists and agnostics may participate in the contests.
2. A quote is a valid entry for the contests if:
a. The quote is a brief piece of text;
b. The quote has recently been written in alt.atheism (verifiable);
c. Nomination of the quote is made by an atheist or agnostic
in alt.atheism
d. Nomination of the quote is supported by at least one other
atheist or agnostic in alt.atheism;
e. The quote is not nominated or seconded by the person who wrote it
in
the first place (no one is allowed to nominate him- or herself,
but a person
can vote for the quote he or she wrote.)
3. There will be two categories: 'Atheist Quote of the Month'
and 'Theist Quote of the Month'. The category for which a
quote must be nominated must be mentioned by the atheist or
agnostic who wants to nominate it.
If a quote is miscategorized (e.g. an atheist quote is mistakenly
nominated in the Theist QOTM category), the quote will be re-directed
to appear in the correct category, with approriate notification.
4. Nominations can be made until five days before the first of the
next month. If quotes are nominated after this period, they will be
considered as entries for the contest of the next month.
* When making a nomination, the word "nomination" MUST appear
somewhere in the subject line!
5. Each atheist or agnostic who visits alt.atheism has one vote to
cast for each category (two votes total).
6. Voting starts 5 days before the end of the month. During the month,
votes will be ignored. This way, all nominees will have equal chance of
winning.
7. The two winning quotes will be published in the QOTM Archive.
SUMMARY
A nomination must contain the following information:
1. The lines of the quote.
2. Who wrote it.
3. Who nominates or seconds the nomination of this quote (that's you!)
4. Which category this nomination is for.
5. The word "nomination" MUST appear somewhere in the subject line!
Publish the nomination or support for a nomination in a designated
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VOTING
1. In the last five days of the month you can cast your vote in both
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2. Votes must either be placed in the designated thread.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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27 Aug 2003 09:01:23 AM |
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Mike Smith | aa #1164 | Founder of SMASH
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27 Aug 2003 09:07:12 AM |
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"*Nemo*" <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-9B3521.05442627082003@news04.east.earthlink.net...
10) In response to:
We don't literally hear His voice as in the OT.
Yeah, gods used to have real voices, but nowadays they speak through
inexplicable "ootsie" feelings. That's the problem with gods --three
thousand years ago, their voices were as loud as thunder, but now their
voices can't be distinguished from constipation.
By: John Hattan
Nominated: JackNunn
Seconded: Mark K. Bilbo
This one gets my vote this month but man what a great group to choose from.
John gets extra points for using the word "ootsie" in a sentence.
Jeff Jones
Austin,Texas
aa #2044
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28 Aug 2003 03:50:32 AM |
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"*Nemo*" <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-9B3521.05442627082003@news04.east.earthlink.net...
Ah, the end of August! Ozone alerts, air so thick you can drink it!
Crimony, but I can't wait for the first frost!
Here are the nominations for Atheist Quote of the Month for August 2003.
Vote for your favorite by responding to this thread. Votes will be
accepted until midnight, August 31. See rules below. Questions?
Comments? Email me.
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8) Evolution is theory not faith.
Theory is used to explain,
faith is used to deny.
By: gblack
Nominated: Levy Oates
Seconded: towelie
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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27 Aug 2003 04:41:13 PM |
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*Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> thought hard and said:
10) In response to:
We don't literally hear His voice as in the OT.
Yeah, gods used to have real voices, but nowadays they speak through
inexplicable "ootsie" feelings. That's the problem with gods --three
thousand years ago, their voices were as loud as thunder, but now their
voices can't be distinguished from constipation.
By: John Hattan
Nominated: JackNunn
Seconded: Mark K. Bilbo
--
-Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, and Gustav Mahler are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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27 Aug 2003 07:38:11 PM |
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*Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote in
news:nemo0037-9B3521.05442627082003@news04.east.earthlink.net:
As honored as I am to have been nominated this month (#20 below -- just to
gloat) and as much as I might want to win, I'd like to vote for my own
quote, but rather, I think I'll vote for this one from Liz.
16) I'm unsure if believers want to appear rational so much as they
want to "feel" that their own belief is rational and that others are
either too stupid or uneducated to appreciate this fact. This feeling
gives them a sense of comfort and superiority that is necessary to
propound the irrational as if it were commonplace knowledge.
By: Liz
Nominated: Cookie Monster
Seconded: david asman
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20) In response to:
What is the Atheist definition of a "religious fanatic"?
anyone who thinks they are doing the will of god and causes someone
else to suffer for it.
By: Woden
Nominated: Indefual
Seconded: David Opstad
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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31 Aug 2003 02:31:54 PM |
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*Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote in message news:<nemo0037-9B3521.05442627082003@news04.east.earthlink.net>...
I liked these two but my vote has to go with 15.
15) I have nothing against religion, but theology drives me crazy. It is
more obscure than physics, but the hard parts of physics can become
clearer by studying, whereas the hard parts of theology never become
clearer. And if two scientists disagree about some principle of
physics, they devise a test and eventually there is a resolution,
whereas if two theologians disagree about some point of theology, all
they can do is try to discredit (at best) or murder (at worst) the
other's followers.
18) In response to:
How many times ya gonna go changin yer mind now ?
As many times as it takes to get it right. Why, would you stop changing
your mind BEFORE you get it right?
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Craig McDonald
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27 Aug 2003 02:13:50 PM |
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*Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote in message news:<nemo0037-9B3521.05442627082003@news04.east.earthlink.net>...
Wow! So many good quotes, but I have to cast my vote for #17. LOL
It's obviously someone trying to reason with Georgann (aka "The Rock"
in Alt.Radio.Talk.Dr-Laura due to her tenacity and logic)
17) I've got no problem being called obnoxious, but people who make
end-of-the-world predictions and magical string-art dictated by spectral
beings that visit them in their kitchen aren't speaking from a position
of strength regarding the delusions of others.
By: John Hattan
Nominated: Douglas Berry
Seconded: Dr. Smartass
"The answer to the question of ""why should any of us who have not
directly experienced demons believe in their existence"" is that you
actually have had direct experience with demons and just didn't
recognize how it was indicative of their presence in you or in someone
else. You first have to know how to recognize them. (No guarantees on
that.) But before that even is possible you have to believe that what
you're looking is real and anticipate what they are like. Otherwise
the little shits slip around on you. They do not wish to be recognized
nor addressed most especially not by someone that has the authority to
cast them out. Signs of demon activity are most often fear and any
other extreme negative emotions and addictions, compulsions,
obsessions. Behaviors we would most likely characterize as negative
but controlled only haphazardly. Habits that lead to self-loathing or
self-doubt. Behaviors that lead to self accusations. There's tons more
but you get the idea.
You have to learn to recognize the difference between your own
thoughts and the ones they give you." - Georgann
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28 Aug 2003 06:37:28 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:13:50 -0500, Andres64 wrote
(in message <31197905.0308271113.3cb8fa42@posting.google.com>):
From: (Andres64)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
*Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote in message
news:<nemo0037-9B3521.05442627082003@news04.east.earthlink.net>...
Wow! So many good quotes, but I have to cast my vote for #17. LOL
It's obviously someone trying to reason with Georgann (aka "The Rock"
in Alt.Radio.Talk.Dr-Laura due to her tenacity and logic)
17) I've got no problem being called obnoxious, but people who make
end-of-the-world predictions and magical string-art dictated by spectral
beings that visit them in their kitchen aren't speaking from a position
of strength regarding the delusions of others.
By: John Hattan
Nominated: Douglas Berry
Seconded: Dr. Smartass
"The answer to the question of ""why should any of us who have not
directly experienced demons believe in their existence"" is that you
actually have had direct experience with demons and just didn't
recognize how it was indicative of their presence in you or in someone
else. You first have to know how to recognize them. (No guarantees on
that.) But before that even is possible you have to believe that what
you're looking is real and anticipate what they are like. Otherwise
the little shits slip around on you. They do not wish to be recognized
nor addressed most especially not by someone that has the authority to
cast them out. Signs of demon activity are most often fear and any
other extreme negative emotions and addictions, compulsions,
obsessions. Behaviors we would most likely characterize as negative
but controlled only haphazardly. Habits that lead to self-loathing or
self-doubt. Behaviors that lead to self accusations. There's tons more
but you get the idea.
You have to learn to recognize the difference between your own
thoughts and the ones they give you." - Georgann
As I read this I kept hearing the LooneyToons theme running in the
backgroung, scary.
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Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
"And Thor is one that you should definitely never argue with when it is
raining and you are wearing copper underwear." - walksalone
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28 Aug 2003 06:11:50 AM |
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*Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote in news:nemo0037-
9B3521.05442627082003@news04.east.earthlink.net:
14) I suppose that they believe that "religious freedom" means the
freedom to persecute anyone who doesn't agree with their sect.
By: johac
Nominated: Gregory Gadow
Seconded: Douglas Berry
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Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
"And the knowledge that they fear
Is a weapon to be used against them."
--Rush, "The Weapon"
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| User: "John Hattan" |
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27 Aug 2003 08:39:55 AM |
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*Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote:
16) I'm unsure if believers want to appear rational so much as they want
to "feel" that their own belief is rational and that others are either
too stupid or uneducated to appreciate this fact. This feeling gives
them a sense of comfort and superiority that is necessary to propound
the irrational as if it were commonplace knowledge.
By: Liz
Nominated: Cookie Monster
Seconded: david asman
Number ten for me.
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John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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27 Aug 2003 07:52:08 PM |
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In article <f2dpkvo7bvhghlotbmv51jhvn5cjei090l@4ax.com>,
John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> wrote:
*Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote:
16) I'm unsure if believers want to appear rational so much as they want
to "feel" that their own belief is rational and that others are either
too stupid or uneducated to appreciate this fact. This feeling gives
them a sense of comfort and superiority that is necessary to propound
the irrational as if it were commonplace knowledge.
By: Liz
Nominated: Cookie Monster
Seconded: david asman
Number ten for me.
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John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
John, help me out here. Custom says that you include the one you're
voting for, but you say 10, and include 16. Could you clarify, please?
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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27 Aug 2003 08:33:51 PM |
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*Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote:
In article <f2dpkvo7bvhghlotbmv51jhvn5cjei090l@4ax.com>,
John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> wrote:
*Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote:
16) I'm unsure if believers want to appear rational so much as they want
to "feel" that their own belief is rational and that others are either
too stupid or uneducated to appreciate this fact. This feeling gives
them a sense of comfort and superiority that is necessary to propound
the irrational as if it were commonplace knowledge.
By: Liz
Nominated: Cookie Monster
Seconded: david asman
Number ten for me.
John, help me out here. Custom says that you include the one you're
voting for, but you say 10, and include 16. Could you clarify, please?
Bleh, sorry about that. I actually meant number 16.
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John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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27 Aug 2003 06:10:45 PM |
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*Nemo* wrote:
1 vote for:
19) Atheists don't need to define and categorize religious people.
Atheism is not a body of beliefs. Religious monotheists need to
categorize and classify everything in an attempt to explain away the
contradictions and irrationality of their religion, because to believe
lies you end up having to try to explain away the truth.
By: Dr. DuFonet
Nominated: John Popelish
Seconded: Ghost Rider
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John Popelish
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| User: "Olrik" |
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27 Aug 2003 10:25:23 PM |
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*Nemo* wrote:
16) I'm unsure if believers want to appear rational so much as they want
to "feel" that their own belief is rational and that others are either
too stupid or uneducated to appreciate this fact. This feeling gives
them a sense of comfort and superiority that is necessary to propound
the irrational as if it were commonplace knowledge.
By: Liz
Nominated: Cookie Monster
Seconded: david asman
That one. Thanks.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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28 Aug 2003 07:35:28 AM |
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*Nemo* wrote:
I would like to vote for Mr. Marczyk's quote (#4) listed below:
Dave
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4) It is certainly true that if you look around at the world and ask,
"Who made all this?", you will come to believe in a creator - because
the question is phrased so as to presuppose that answer. (How do you
even know it's a "who"?) A better question, which atheists do ask, would
be, "How did all this get here?", and then search for an answer that is
supported by evidence.
By: Adam Marczyk
Nominated: Nemo
Seconded: MAYA
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27 Aug 2003 09:24:42 AM |
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*Nemo* wrote:
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13) In response to "cooking with dung" passage from the Bible:
I attended a few bible studies, this topic was being discussed. They
were talking about who will be the man. They were going to follow the
bible.
They said that there are different interpetations of this but this is
what they believed.
They talked over an hour making plans to do this.
They were going to eat a man's human feces to worship 'their' god. They
had a list of names of men who practiced this and would produce the
feces.
They talked about a substitution for the kids. They talked about not
using a substatute for the kids.
Now we have the christians 'infiltrating' the governemnt, taking back
the land for god.
-Me, I don't trust 'their' judgement.
By: Georg Ten Brouck
Nominated: Clayton Episode 1...The Farting Menace
Seconded: K Knight
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Yuk
--
Roy
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27 Aug 2003 04:52:15 PM |
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*Nemo* wrote:
This one for me:
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18) In response to:
How many times ya gonna go changin yer mind now ?
As many times as it takes to get it right. Why, would you stop changing
your mind BEFORE you get it right?
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Craig McDonald
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--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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27 Aug 2003 08:30:50 AM |
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18) In response to:
How many times ya gonna go changin yer mind now ?
As many times as it takes to get it right. Why, would you stop changing
your mind BEFORE you get it right?
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Craig McDonald
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2
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27 Aug 2003 07:58:17 PM |
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13) In response to "cooking with dung" passage from the Bible:
I attended a few bible studies, this topic was being discussed. They
were talking about who will be the man. They were going to follow the
bible.
They said that there are different interpetations of this but this is
what they believed.
They talked over an hour making plans to do this.
They were going to eat a man's human feces to worship 'their' god. They
had a list of names of men who practiced this and would produce the
feces.
They talked about a substitution for the kids. They talked about not
using a substatute for the kids.
Now we have the christians 'infiltrating' the governemnt, taking back
the land for god.
-Me, I don't trust 'their' judgement.
By: Georg Ten Brouck
Nominated: Clayton Episode 1...The Farting Menace
Seconded: K Knight
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27 Aug 2003 08:49:16 AM |
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11) In response to:
Almost all religions claim their God is the only true God. Which is the real God and
which are the phonies?
Various countries have different versions of
Santa-Claus/Father-Christmas, and they don't recognize those of other
countries. Does that mean that one Santa must necessarily be the real
one?
By: John Hattan
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: raven1
This one gets my vote :-)
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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29 Aug 2003 08:01:28 PM |
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And it came to pass that *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> did write
in alt.atheism,
news:nemo0037-9B3521.05442627082003@news04.east.earthlink.net:
#4 for me quotemeister general.
4) It is certainly true that if you look around at the world and ask,
"Who made all this?", you will come to believe in a creator - because
the question is phrased so as to presuppose that answer. (How do you
even know it's a "who"?) A better question, which atheists do ask,
would be, "How did all this get here?", and then search for an answer
that is supported by evidence.
By: Adam Marczyk
Nominated: Nemo
Seconded: MAYA
--
Walking on Glass (remove NOSPAM to email me)
AA #2053 Zymurgist #12
"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or
you can inoculate...Try science"
Carl Sagan - "The Demon-Haunted World"
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27 Aug 2003 11:03:08 AM |
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At some point in the past, *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com>
slavered, and posted this:
18) In response to:
How many times ya gonna go changin yer mind now ?
As many times as it takes to get it right. Why, would you stop
changing
your mind BEFORE you get it right?
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Craig McDonald
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Definitely this one. It's along the same lines as:
"I found it in the last place I looked."
"Of course you found it in the last place you looked. You stopped looking
after you found it."
--
Doug Semler
http://home.wideopenwest.com/~doug_semler
a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
I hate spam, standard email address munging applied.
42
DNRC o-
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28 Aug 2003 05:57:01 PM |
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I was tempted to vote for Julie Kale, but I think Dennis Loubet was
making a more interesting statement.
18) In response to:
How many times ya gonna go changin yer mind now ?
As many times as it takes to get it right. Why, would you stop changing
your mind BEFORE you get it right?
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Craig McDonald
Think for yourself!
Peter van Velzen, August 2003
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28 Aug 2003 01:44:22 AM |
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In article
<nemo0037-9B3521.05442627082003@news04.east.earthlink.net>,
*Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote:
18) In response to:
How many times ya gonna go changin yer mind now ?
As many times as it takes to get it right. Why, would you stop changing
your mind BEFORE you get it right?
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Craig McDonald
I vote for No. 18.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
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27 Aug 2003 09:35:49 AM |
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In article <nemo0037-9B3521.05442627082003@news04.east.earthlink.net>,
*Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote:
11) In response to:
Almost all religions claim their God is the only true God. Which
is the real God and which are the phonies?
Various countries have different versions of
Santa-Claus/Father-Christmas, and they don't recognize those of other
countries. Does that mean that one Santa must necessarily be the real
one?
By: John Hattan
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: raven1
This one is great! I think I'm going to have to vote for it, even over
the one I seconded (sorry, Woden!)
Dave Opstad
a.a. #1747
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27 Aug 2003 03:41:03 PM |
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In article <nemo0037-9B3521.05442627082003@news04.east.earthlink.net>,
*Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote:
Lots of good choices, but #3 is my pick.
3) Emperor's New Clothes argument. "I can't show you my evidence,
because my evidence is so superior it can only be detected by those who
possess Virtue X (where Virtue X is intelligence, spirituality,
humility, or whatever), and you are too crude to possess it. The very
fact that you doubt me proves that you are unworthy to question my
assertions."
The problem with this approach is that it is a universal proof. Defends
any possible or fictitious notion with equal ease, and is entirely
unrelated to whether or not the point being defended is actually
objectively true.
By: Mark Nutter
Nominated: Mark Richardson
Seconded: Ghost Rider
--
George Ricker
The most accurate way to spell "one nation under 'God'" is T*H*E*O*C*R*A*C*Y.
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28 Aug 2003 10:25:56 PM |
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In article <nemo0037-9B3521.05442627082003@news04.east.earthlink.net>,
*Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote:
Thissun'
18) In response to:
How many times ya gonna go changin yer mind now ?
As many times as it takes to get it right. Why, would you stop changing
your mind BEFORE you get it right?
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Craig McDonald
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28 Aug 2003 05:02:56 PM |
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My vote is for #15, with Honorable Mentions to 17 and 18.
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15) I have nothing against religion, but theology drives me crazy. It is
more obscure than physics, but the hard parts of physics can become
clearer by studying, whereas the hard parts of theology never become
clearer. And if two scientists disagree about some principle of physics,
they devise a test and eventually there is a resolution, whereas if two
theologians disagree about some point of theology, all they can do is try
to discredit (at best) or murder (at worst) the other's followers.
By: Rob Strom
Nominated: raven1
Seconded: TCS
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17) I've got no problem being called obnoxious, but people who make
end-of-the-world predictions and magical string-art dictated by spectral
beings that visit them in their kitchen aren't speaking from a position of
strength regarding the delusions of others.
By: John Hattan
Nominated: Douglas Berry
Seconded: Dr. Smartass
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18) In response to:
How many times ya gonna go changin yer mind now ?
As many times as it takes to get it right. Why, would you stop changing
your mind BEFORE you get it right?
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Craig McDonald
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--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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27 Aug 2003 04:42:25 PM |
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My vote:
10) In response to:
We don't literally hear His voice as in the OT.
Yeah, gods used to have real voices, but nowadays they speak through
inexplicable "ootsie" feelings. That's the problem with gods --three
thousand years ago, their voices were as loud as thunder, but now
their voices can't be distinguished from constipation.
By: John Hattan
Nominated: JackNunn
Seconded: Mark K. Bilbo
--
Michael Nash - aa # 1651
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
--Teddy Roosevelt (Kansas City Star, 7 May 1918)
"The Three Branches of Government: Money, Television, and *****"
--P. J. O'Rourke
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27 Aug 2003 08:39:28 AM |
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Nice crop this month. There are quite a number that I like but I can
only vote for one. My vote then goes to Quote #3
3) Emperor's New Clothes argument. "I can't show you my evidence,
because my evidence is so superior it can only be detected by those who
possess Virtue X (where Virtue X is intelligence, spirituality,
humility, or whatever), and you are too crude to possess it. The very
fact that you doubt me proves that you are unworthy to question my
assertions."
The problem with this approach is that it is a universal proof. Defends
any possible or fictitious notion with equal ease, and is entirely
unrelated to whether or not the point being defended is actually
objectively true.
By: Mark Nutter
Nominated: Mark Richardson
Seconded: Ghost Rider
That should be added to the FAQ on argument fallacies.
I like the direct response of Quote #7 too.
- leongsh..
a.a.#1860
email: berantle at maxis dot net dot my
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27 Aug 2003 03:19:32 PM |
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No. 7
Boony
aa #1444
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27 Aug 2003 10:01:03 AM |
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On 27 Aug 2003, *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:nemo0037-9B3521.05442627082003@news04.east.earthlink.net:
18) In response to:
How many times ya gonna go changin yer mind now ?
As many times as it takes to get it right. Why, would you stop
changing your mind BEFORE you get it right?
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Craig McDonald
I vote for this one -- because this illustrates the greatest fundamental
difference between theists and atheists, IMHO. A theist will propound
his or her absolute belief and blind faith in his dogma, without
question, whether it's right or not, and speak of this rigidity as if it
were a *virtue*! On the other hand, an atheist, or should I say a
scientist (since not all atheists are rational, much as I hate to admit
it) is generally perfectly willing to admit that he or she doesn't know
something for sure... In other words, yeah, most theists *do* stop
changing their minds before they get it right, and they think that makes
them admirable people. So, yeah, this one gets my vote.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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31 Aug 2003 02:43:30 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:44:28 GMT the ET form known as
*Nemo*<nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> sent a radio signal across the
vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
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11) In response to:
Almost all religions claim their God is the only true God. Which is the real God and
which are the phonies?
Various countries have different versions of
Santa-Claus/Father-Christmas, and they don't recognize those of other
countries. Does that mean that one Santa must necessarily be the real
one?
By: John Hattan
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: raven1
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Thus one no. 11
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27 Aug 2003 06:26:26 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:44:28 GMT, *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com>
in news message
<nemo0037-9B3521.05442627082003@news04.east.earthlink.net> wrote:
There are many good quotes this month. Tough choice.
This one still makes me laugh. I vote for #2.
2) Re the NIV Bible:
I call it the New and Improved Version. It was when some people got
together for a bible revision and said "We can't put THAT in there..."
By: Unit335
Nominated: Liz
Seconded: Robibnikoff
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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30 Aug 2003 08:01:20 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:44:28 GMT, *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com>
wrote:
13) In response to "cooking with dung" passage from the Bible:
I attended a few bible studies, this topic was being discussed. They
were talking about who will be the man. They were going to follow the
bible.
They said that there are different interpetations of this but this is
what they believed.
They talked over an hour making plans to do this.
They were going to eat a man's human feces to worship 'their' god. They
had a list of names of men who practiced this and would produce the
feces.
They talked about a substitution for the kids. They talked about not
using a substatute for the kids.
Now we have the christians 'infiltrating' the governemnt, taking back
the land for god.
-Me, I don't trust 'their' judgement.
I'm voting for Georg, provided he substitutes one vowel. Wonderful
piece of writing.
By: Georg Ten Brouck
Nominated: Clayton Episode 1...The Farting Menace
Seconded: K Knight
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27 Aug 2003 06:55:44 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:44:28 GMT, *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com>
wrote:
I still stand by this one.
15) I have nothing against religion, but theology drives me crazy. It is
more obscure than physics, but the hard parts of physics can become
clearer by studying, whereas the hard parts of theology never become
clearer. And if two scientists disagree about some principle of
physics, they devise a test and eventually there is a resolution,
whereas if two theologians disagree about some point of theology, all
they can do is try to discredit (at best) or murder (at worst) the
other's followers.
By: Rob Strom
Nominated: raven1
Seconded: TCS
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27 Aug 2003 11:52:07 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:44:28 GMT, several witnesses claim to have seen
*Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> scrawl a message on the wall:
17) I've got no problem being called obnoxious, but people who make
end-of-the-world predictions and magical string-art dictated by spectral
beings that visit them in their kitchen aren't speaking from a position
of strength regarding the delusions of others.
By: John Hattan
Nominated: Douglas Berry
Seconded: Dr. Smartass
For it's Monty Pythin and the Holy Grail-like directness, This has to
be my vote.
--
Douglas Berry
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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27 Aug 2003 08:51:40 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:44:28 +1000, Nemo* wrote
(in message
<nemo0037-9B3521.05442627082003@news04.east.earthlink.net>):
4) It is certainly true that if you look around at the world and ask,
"Who made all this?", you will come to believe in a creator - because
the question is phrased so as to presuppose that answer. (How do you
even know it's a "who"?) A better question, which atheists do ask, would
be, "How did all this get here?", and then search for an answer that is
supported by evidence.
By: Adam Marczyk
Nominated: Nemo
Seconded: MAYA
This one. It paraphrases one of my favoured criticisms of the
querstions my children (and several adults around me) ask.
Have Fun
Martin
--
aa #1792
Almost always SMASHed
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27 Aug 2003 08:05:27 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 4:44:28 -0500, Nemo* wrote
(in message <nemo0037-9B3521.05442627082003@news04.east.earthlink.net>):
This one.
13) In response to "cooking with dung" passage from the Bible:
I attended a few bible studies, this topic was being discussed. They
were talking about who will be the man. They were going to follow the
bible.
They said that there are different interpetations of this but this is
what they believed.
They talked over an hour making plans to do this.
They were going to eat a man's human feces to worship 'their' god. They
had a list of names of men who practiced this and would produce the
feces.
They talked about a substitution for the kids. They talked about not
using a substatute for the kids.
Now we have the christians 'infiltrating' the governemnt, taking back
the land for god.
-Me, I don't trust 'their' judgement.
By: Georg Ten Brouck
Nominated: Clayton Episode 1...The Farting Menace
Seconded: K Knight
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
"Your little atheist buddies are renouned for desperately catching me in a
lie." - Duke 32
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27 Aug 2003 10:50:54 AM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, *Nemo* fired a few neurons and wrote:
19) Atheists don't need to define and categorize religious people.
Atheism is not a body of beliefs. Religious monotheists need to
categorize and classify everything in an attempt to explain away the
contradictions and irrationality of their religion, because to believe
lies you end up having to try to explain away the truth.
By: Dr. DuFonet
Nominated: John Popelish
Seconded: Ghost Rider
This one.
--
Ghost Rider
aa # 2011
EAC Nonexistent Director of Alcohol, Tobacco and Bad Puns
~ Plonked by Kadaitcha Man
"Don't be afraid, man is man-made."
[Greg Lake, "Infinite Space" - Emerson, Lake & Palmer]
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27 Aug 2003 06:21:13 AM |
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This one
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4) It is certainly true that if you look around at the world and ask,
"Who made all this?", you will come to believe in a creator - because
the question is phrased so as to presuppose that answer. (How do you
even know it's a "who"?) A better question, which atheists do ask, would
be, "How did all this get here?", and then search for an answer that is
supported by evidence.
By: Adam Marczyk
Nominated: Nemo
Seconded: MAYA
MAYA
A #2152
***Nullum est iam dictum quod non dictum sit prius***
Nothing is said that hasn't been said before.
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29 Aug 2003 11:54:52 PM |
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This one!
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:44:28 GMT, *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote:
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17) I've got no problem being called obnoxious, but people who make
end-of-the-world predictions and magical string-art dictated by spectral
beings that visit them in their kitchen aren't speaking from a position
of strength regarding the delusions of others.
By: John Hattan
Nominated: Douglas Berry
Seconded: Dr. Smartass
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27 Aug 2003 08:07:17 AM |
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my vote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:44:28 GMT, *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote:
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15) I have nothing against religion, but theology drives me crazy. It is
more obscure than physics, but the hard parts of physics can become
clearer by studying, whereas the hard parts of theology never become
clearer. And if two scientists disagree about some principle of
physics, they devise a test and eventually there is a resolution,
whereas if two theologians disagree about some point of theology, all
they can do is try to discredit (at best) or murder (at worst) the
other's followers.
By: Rob Strom
Nominated: raven1
Seconded: TCS
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27 Aug 2003 07:58:24 AM |
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snippage
This one :)
10) In response to:
We don't literally hear His voice as in the OT.
Yeah, gods used to have real voices, but nowadays they speak through
inexplicable "ootsie" feelings. That's the problem with gods --three
thousand years ago, their voices were as loud as thunder, but now their
voices can't be distinguished from constipation.
By: John Hattan
Nominated: JackNunn
Seconded: Mark K. Bilbo
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
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