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27 Jan 2004 06:59:06 PM |
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aa - The polls are open! AQOTM for January, 2004 |
It's cold and dreary and cold. Good time to do the Quote of the Month
polling. Maybe in February, I'll be warm enough to have some interesting
thoughts. Not tonight, though...
Here are the nominations for Atheist Quote of the Month for January
2004. Vote for your favorite by responding to this thread. Votes will be
accepted until midnight, Jan. 31. See rules below. Questions? Comments?
Email me.
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1) What does this question tell us? It tells us that certain people
can't figure out why it's wrong to rape and kill a child. It tells us
that those people (if they are to be prevented from raping and killing
children) must be given reasons to avoid such behavior, or else they'll
have no clue there's anything wrong with it. Since these people are so
(monu)mentally retarded as to be completely unable to comprehend logical
reasons not to go around raping and killing children, the rules given
them must be very, very simple, so as not to cause undue confusion in
their very small brains.
Enter religion; for what answer is simpler than "God says thou shalt
not"?
By: Mekkala
Nominated: John Popelish
Seconded: Harry Leopold
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2) I hope you won't take it personally if I call you an idiot.
Children are one hell of a lot smarter than a lot of adults like to
think. My little sis understood fairly advanced physics when she was 4,
as did I. You fucking idiot. You think that kids are stupid and
therefore shouldn't be taught anything hard, and then when you find they
don't know the answers to hard questions (because fucking morons like
you choose to withhold the knowledge from them), you assume that's just
because they're stupid.
You just have to present it in terms and vocabulary they already know --
because to explain something to a person, they have to know the words
you're using. Better yet, teach them what the words mean, then use
those words to teach them advanced subjects.
(If you're offended by the names I'm calling you, consider that a person
just tried to pass on useful knowledge to his son and you called it a
"stupid idea". In other words, shut the ***** up and take the abuse,
because you deserve it.)
By: Mekkala
Nominated: Tracy
Seconded: Harry Leopold
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3) The "great" thing about dying a Christian isn't knowing that you're
forgiven, it's knowing that there's no such thing.
By: Al Klein
Nominated: stoney
Seconded: Tink
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4) Realise that you are not the one responsible for the problem. Be
glad that the religion which has blighted your family for generations
ends with this one.
By: spakka
Nominated: MarkA
Seconded: towelie
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5) Religion begets fear. And vice versa.
By: Vic Sagerquist
Nominated: Tink
Seconded: Ron Baker
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6) This is what science is all about. Scientists have theories about
comets, they create ways to test those theories, and when they discover
they are wrong about something, they get excited over having new
evidence to work with. The antithesis to this would be how theists
react to evidence that their faith is misplaced. They squirm and
squiggle, desperately trying to come up with an explanation that allows
them to still be right, no matter how bizarre or irrational that
explanation is. For them, new data is a thing to be feared, a reason to
run away and hide, and a chance to prove their great faith by refusing
to give in to the devilish evidence.
By: L. Raymond
Nominated: Denis Loubet
Seconded: Carl Kaufmann
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7) In response to:
First it was the flood where he killed millions of innocent humans
and animals. Then it was the murder-suicide on Golgotha.
What the ***** is next?
Flooding the world with "true believers", immune to logic, who believe
it is their divine commission to convert everyone to Xtianity? Creating
a global computer network so those evangelists can annoy people without
having to leave home?
By: MarkA
Nominated: Roy Sinnamond
Seconded: Vic Sagerquist
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8) You didn't just accept an offer - you picked one offer out of
thousands. You picked the one you liked the best. If you didn't like
it, you didn't pick it.
You also choose whether or not to play by all the rules. I know you
aren't following every rule set down in the Bible. Because if you
did, you'd be arrested. Not to mention, you picked your bible out of
the hundreds available today.
None of that was God's will as your religion as told it. All of that
was your own choice. Your choice over your God's. No Theist tells
us that he was carefully instructed by God to pick this religion and
follow those rules - the theist always explains how he himself decided
which rule was most important and which was meaningless. He even
takes great pride in his decisions. Even though often those decisions
are the exact opposite of a brother in his own church. If the
brothers choose to fight over the decisions - well we just divy up the
church into us's and them's and make 2 new churches - each with their
own seperate set of rules now.
Where does 'God's' word lie in all that? Where are your morals now?
How trustworthy to anyone can that be?
By: Kate
Nominated: Beowulf
Seconded: Icarus
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9) In response to:
"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' "
If even a fool can figure it out, what's your excuse?
By: Fred Stone
Nominated: Daniel Kolle
Seconded: Meteorite Debris
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10) What Christians do is use faith to leap the gap from ignorance to
certainty, and then confuse certainty with knowledge. They end up still
ignorant, but filled with certainty, and that's a revolting combination.
They glorify faith, but faith is just ignorance in disguise.
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Liz
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11) Stealth creationists. They know that their nonsense won't pass
scientific muster, so they try to disguise it and sneak it in the back
door. They can put all the lipstick that they want on that pig, but
it's still only a pig. No insult to pigs intended.
By: John Hachmann
Nominated: nemo
Seconded: Tink
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12) You believe in God, even with no 'proof' correct? So why can't
atheists believe in morality?
By: RainLover
Nominated: Randy Day
Seconded: Roy Sinnamond
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13) You have judged the god and found it to be of ultimate worth. I'm
curious, how exactly does one go about judging a god? Wouldn't you have
to be omniscient to judge the god to be of ultimate worth? And wouldn't
you have to have something of penultimate worth to compare it to?
The god itself is secondary to the ego necessary to deem yourself worthy
to judge a thing like the god to be all those things you judge it to be.
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: John Popelish
Seconded: Harry Leopold
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14) In response to:
Free will is an exercise of God's love to allow man to do right or
wrong.
Let's work from an example because I find it easiest to scrape away the
***** from claims about god with real-world examples.
I have a 15 month old son. If I lock him in a room where there's a
sippy cup full of antifreeze on the floor and tell him, "Now, if you
love daddy, you'll obey me. Don't drink the liquid in the sippy cup,
for the day you drink thereof thou wilt surely die." and then leave, how
am I demonstrating my love for my son by letting him ruin himself
exercising his "free will"?
By: Beowulf
Nominated: Vic Sagerquist
Seconded: Douglas Berry
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15) I'm working on a hypothesis (it's different than a theory) that the
greatest tool of the chronically fallible is the use of the implausible
to explain the incredible.
By: Klowmhundur
Nominated: Lord Calvert
Seconded: lizzard woman
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16) You seem to think atheists are stupid, or in denial, or both. You
are not the first to come here and try and slave us.
By: S Bibby
Nominated: Carl Kaufmann
Seconded: Vic Sagerquist
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17) In response to a request for Jesus jokes:
There was this guy who created everything in perfection, but it was so
imperfect that he flooded the planet to wipe it out and start over. The
second version was equally imperfect, so he decided to incarnate himself
to free the world from the very evil he himself had created and could
magic away any time he wished. He was born of a virgin, let the
firstborn of every Jew be killed, spoke in riddles, never said a word
against slavery, racism, war, alcohol or abortion. He told everyone in
his best Schwarzeneggar voice, "I'll be back", got nailed to a cross,
and hasn't been heard from since. They call him the Son of God.
Isn't that enough of a joke?!!!
By: Budikka
Nominated: MarkA
Seconded: Levy Oates
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18) I believe in Doc Smartass. His posts are more self-consistent than
what the book-o-blood reports that Jesus said.
By: nemo
Nominated: Roy Sinnamond
Seconded: TCS
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Here are the rules for the Quote of the Month Contests.
RULES
1. Only atheists and agnostics may participate in the contests.
2. A quote is a valid entry for the contests if:
a. The quote is a brief piece of text;
b. The quote has recently been written in alt.atheism (verifiable);
c. Nomination of the quote is made by an atheist or agnostic
in alt.atheism
d. Nomination of the quote is supported by at least one other
atheist or agnostic in alt.atheism;
e. The quote is not nominated or seconded by the person who wrote it
in
the first place (no one is allowed to nominate him- or herself,
but a person
can vote for the quote he or she wrote.)
3. There will be two categories: 'Atheist Quote of the Month'
and 'Theist Quote of the Month'. The category for which a
quote must be nominated must be mentioned by the atheist or
agnostic who wants to nominate it.
If a quote is miscategorized (e.g. an atheist quote is mistakenly
nominated in the Theist QOTM category), the quote will be re-directed
to appear in the correct category, with approriate notification.
4. Nominations can be made until five days before the first of the
next month. If quotes are nominated after this period, they will be
considered as entries for the contest of the next month.
* When making a nomination, the word "nomination" MUST appear
somewhere in the subject line!
5. Each atheist or agnostic who visits alt.atheism has one vote to
cast for each category (two votes total).
6. Voting starts 5 days before the end of the month. During the month,
votes will be ignored. This way, all nominees will have equal chance of
winning.
7. The two winning quotes will be published in the QOTM Archive.
SUMMARY
A nomination must contain the following information:
1. The lines of the quote.
2. Who wrote it.
3. Who nominates or seconds the nomination of this quote (that's you!)
4. Which category this nomination is for.
5. The word "nomination" MUST appear somewhere in the subject line!
Publish the nomination or support for a nomination in a designated
thread, preferably called "[T/A]QoTM Nomination for [month]." You can
also e-mail it to me (see below).
VOTING
1. In the last five days of the month you can cast your vote in both
categories.
2. Votes must either be placed in the designated thread.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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27 Jan 2004 10:22:11 PM |
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#6.
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Mike Smith | aa #1164 | Founder of SMASH
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"He that believeth not is condemned already, because
he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten
Son of God." - John 3:18
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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27 Jan 2004 09:41:17 PM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-EF5707.19590227012004@news01.east.earthlink.net...
Damn!
Number 1, hands down!
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1) What does this question tell us? It tells us that certain people
can't figure out why it's wrong to rape and kill a child. It tells us
that those people (if they are to be prevented from raping and killing
children) must be given reasons to avoid such behavior, or else they'll
have no clue there's anything wrong with it. Since these people are so
(monu)mentally retarded as to be completely unable to comprehend logical
reasons not to go around raping and killing children, the rules given
them must be very, very simple, so as not to cause undue confusion in
their very small brains.
Enter religion; for what answer is simpler than "God says thou shalt
not"?
By: Mekkala
Nominated: John Popelish
Seconded: Harry Leopold
Wow!
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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27 Jan 2004 08:07:17 PM |
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*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote in
news:nemo0037-EF5707.19590227012004@news01.east.earthlink.net:
I will go with # 10.
10) What Christians do is use faith to leap the gap from ignorance to
certainty, and then confuse certainty with knowledge. They end up
still ignorant, but filled with certainty, and that's a revolting
combination. They glorify faith, but faith is just ignorance in
disguise.
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Liz
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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28 Jan 2004 06:23:14 AM |
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*nemo* said:
Here are the nominations for Atheist Quote of the Month for January
2004. Vote for your favorite by responding to this thread. Votes will be
accepted until midnight, Jan. 31. See rules below. Questions? Comments?
Email me.
I almost picked #10, but finally went with #17
17) In response to a request for Jesus jokes:
There was this guy who created everything in perfection, but it was so
imperfect that he flooded the planet to wipe it out and start over. The
second version was equally imperfect, so he decided to incarnate himself
to free the world from the very evil he himself had created and could
magic away any time he wished. He was born of a virgin, let the
firstborn of every Jew be killed, spoke in riddles, never said a word
against slavery, racism, war, alcohol or abortion. He told everyone in
his best Schwarzeneggar voice, "I'll be back", got nailed to a cross,
and hasn't been heard from since. They call him the Son of God.
Isn't that enough of a joke?!!!
By: Budikka
Nominated: MarkA
Seconded: Levy Oates
--
Pat K aa #1154 ('someplace.net' is comcast)
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)
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27 Jan 2004 09:59:05 PM |
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*nemo* wrote:
5) Religion begets fear. And vice versa.
By: Vic Sagerquist
Nominated: Tink
Seconded: Ron Baker
Short and sweet. Thanks.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "MAYA" |
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28 Jan 2004 03:54:00 AM |
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*nemo* wrote:
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1) What does this question tell us? It tells us that certain people
can't figure out why it's wrong to rape and kill a child. It tells us
that those people (if they are to be prevented from raping and killing
children) must be given reasons to avoid such behavior, or else they'll
have no clue there's anything wrong with it. Since these people are so
(monu)mentally retarded as to be completely unable to comprehend logical
reasons not to go around raping and killing children, the rules given
them must be very, very simple, so as not to cause undue confusion in
their very small brains.
Enter religion; for what answer is simpler than "God says thou shalt
not"?
By: Mekkala
Nominated: John Popelish
Seconded: Harry Leopold
This one.
--
MAYA
AA #2152
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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28 Jan 2004 01:19:00 PM |
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*nemo* wrote:
This one for me:
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17) In response to a request for Jesus jokes:
There was this guy who created everything in perfection, but it was so
imperfect that he flooded the planet to wipe it out and start over. The
second version was equally imperfect, so he decided to incarnate himself
to free the world from the very evil he himself had created and could
magic away any time he wished. He was born of a virgin, let the
firstborn of every Jew be killed, spoke in riddles, never said a word
against slavery, racism, war, alcohol or abortion. He told everyone in
his best Schwarzeneggar voice, "I'll be back", got nailed to a cross,
and hasn't been heard from since. They call him the Son of God.
Isn't that enough of a joke?!!!
By: Budikka
Nominated: MarkA
Seconded: Levy Oates
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--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Alan Hobson" |
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29 Jan 2004 12:35:37 PM |
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10) What Christians do is use faith to leap the gap from ignorance to
certainty, and then confuse certainty with knowledge. They end up still
ignorant, but filled with certainty, and that's a revolting combination.
They glorify faith, but faith is just ignorance in disguise.
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Liz
There were quite a few good quotes this month. #10 seemed to resonate
with me the most.
-Alan
aa#1608 BAAWA
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| User: "Gregory A Greenman" |
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28 Jan 2004 09:28:09 AM |
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6) This is what science is all about. Scientists have theories about
comets, they create ways to test those theories, and when they discover
they are wrong about something, they get excited over having new
evidence to work with. The antithesis to this would be how theists
react to evidence that their faith is misplaced. They squirm and
squiggle, desperately trying to come up with an explanation that allows
them to still be right, no matter how bizarre or irrational that
explanation is. For them, new data is a thing to be feared, a reason to
run away and hide, and a chance to prove their great faith by refusing
to give in to the devilish evidence.
By: L. Raymond
Nominated: Denis Loubet
Seconded: Carl Kaufmann
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10) What Christians do is use faith to leap the gap from ignorance to
certainty, and then confuse certainty with knowledge. They end up still
ignorant, but filled with certainty, and that's a revolting combination.
They glorify faith, but faith is just ignorance in disguise.
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Liz
I like #6 and #10. <Flips Coin> I'm voting for #6!
Greg the Reprobate
Missionary of Death
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greg -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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28 Jan 2004 02:10:58 PM |
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17) In response to a request for Jesus jokes:
There was this guy who created everything in perfection, but it was so
imperfect that he flooded the planet to wipe it out and start over. The
second version was equally imperfect, so he decided to incarnate himself
to free the world from the very evil he himself had created and could
magic away any time he wished. He was born of a virgin, let the
firstborn of every Jew be killed, spoke in riddles, never said a word
against slavery, racism, war, alcohol or abortion. He told everyone in
his best Schwarzeneggar voice, "I'll be back", got nailed to a cross,
and hasn't been heard from since. They call him the Son of God.
Isn't that enough of a joke?!!!
By: Budikka
Nominated: MarkA
Seconded: Levy Oates
No. 17
Boony
aa #1444
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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29 Jan 2004 10:57:43 AM |
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17) In response to a request for Jesus jokes:
There was this guy who created everything in perfection, but it was so
imperfect that he flooded the planet to wipe it out and start over. The
second version was equally imperfect, so he decided to incarnate himself
to free the world from the very evil he himself had created and could
magic away any time he wished. He was born of a virgin, let the
firstborn of every Jew be killed, spoke in riddles, never said a word
against slavery, racism, war, alcohol or abortion. He told everyone in
his best Schwarzeneggar voice, "I'll be back", got nailed to a cross,
and hasn't been heard from since. They call him the Son of God.
Isn't that enough of a joke?!!!
By: Budikka
Nominated: MarkA
Seconded: Levy Oates
This'un.
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"Resurrection is for those who didn't get it right the first time."
- Otep, "Sacrilege"
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| User: "Jeff Jones" |
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28 Jan 2004 06:55:00 AM |
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6) This is what science is all about. Scientists have theories about
comets, they create ways to test those theories, and when they discover
they are wrong about something, they get excited over having new
evidence to work with. The antithesis to this would be how theists
react to evidence that their faith is misplaced. They squirm and
squiggle, desperately trying to come up with an explanation that allows
them to still be right, no matter how bizarre or irrational that
explanation is. For them, new data is a thing to be feared, a reason to
run away and hide, and a chance to prove their great faith by refusing
to give in to the devilish evidence.
By: L. Raymond
Nominated: Denis Loubet
Seconded: Carl Kaufmann
This one for me.
Jeff Jones
Austin, Texas
aa #2044
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| User: "lizzard woman" |
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27 Jan 2004 09:06:23 PM |
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6) This is what science is all about. Scientists have theories about
comets, they create ways to test those theories, and when they discover
they are wrong about something, they get excited over having new
evidence to work with. The antithesis to this would be how theists
react to evidence that their faith is misplaced. They squirm and
squiggle, desperately trying to come up with an explanation that allows
them to still be right, no matter how bizarre or irrational that
explanation is. For them, new data is a thing to be feared, a reason to
run away and hide, and a chance to prove their great faith by refusing
to give in to the devilish evidence.
By: L. Raymond
Nominated: Denis Loubet
Seconded: Carl Kaufmann
This one.
And if you haven't been thanked lately for this wonderful nomination process
and vote collecting service, I thank you.
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
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| User: "Walking on Glass" |
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31 Jan 2004 03:29:24 PM |
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And it came to pass that *nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> did write
in alt.atheism,
news:nemo0037-EF5707.19590227012004@news01.east.earthlink.net:
It's cold and dreary and cold. Good time to do the Quote of the Month
polling. Maybe in February, I'll be warm enough to have some
interesting thoughts. Not tonight, though...
17) In response to a request for Jesus jokes:
There was this guy who created everything in perfection, but it was so
imperfect that he flooded the planet to wipe it out and start over.
The second version was equally imperfect, so he decided to incarnate
himself to free the world from the very evil he himself had created
and could magic away any time he wished. He was born of a virgin, let
the firstborn of every Jew be killed, spoke in riddles, never said a
word against slavery, racism, war, alcohol or abortion. He told
everyone in his best Schwarzeneggar voice, "I'll be back", got nailed
to a cross, and hasn't been heard from since. They call him the Son
of God.
Isn't that enough of a joke?!!!
By: Budikka
Nominated: MarkA
Seconded: Levy Oates
This one.
--
Walking on Glass (remove NOSPAM to email me)
AA #2053 Zymurgist #12
"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or
you can inoculate...Try science"
Carl Sagan - "The Demon-Haunted World"
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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28 Jan 2004 11:15:24 AM |
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I vote for #17.
(#5 was a very close second.)
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17) In response to a request for Jesus jokes:
There was this guy who created everything in perfection, but it was so
imperfect that he flooded the planet to wipe it out and start over. The
second version was equally imperfect, so he decided to incarnate himself
to free the world from the very evil he himself had created and could
magic away any time he wished. He was born of a virgin, let the
firstborn of every Jew be killed, spoke in riddles, never said a word
against slavery, racism, war, alcohol or abortion. He told everyone in
his best Schwarzeneggar voice, "I'll be back", got nailed to a cross,
and hasn't been heard from since. They call him the Son of God.
Isn't that enough of a joke?!!!
By: Budikka
Nominated: MarkA
Seconded: Levy Oates
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| User: "Tink" |
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28 Jan 2004 07:15:56 AM |
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I vote for:
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15) I'm working on a hypothesis (it's different than a theory) that the
greatest tool of the chronically fallible is the use of the implausible
to explain the incredible.
By: Klowmhundur
Nominated: Lord Calvert
Seconded: lizzard woman
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It seems odd that those who scoff at sun worshippers are apt to worship
a vacuum.
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
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28 Jan 2004 02:30:49 PM |
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I'll vote for #2
Doug
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| User: "Steve Makohin" |
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27 Jan 2004 08:00:55 PM |
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In article
<nemo0037-EF5707.19590227012004@news01.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote:
6) This is what science is all about. Scientists have theories about
comets, they create ways to test those theories, and when they discover
they are wrong about something, they get excited over having new
evidence to work with. The antithesis to this would be how theists
react to evidence that their faith is misplaced. They squirm and
squiggle, desperately trying to come up with an explanation that allows
them to still be right, no matter how bizarre or irrational that
explanation is. For them, new data is a thing to be feared, a reason to
run away and hide, and a chance to prove their great faith by refusing
to give in to the devilish evidence.
By: L. Raymond
Nominated: Denis Loubet
Seconded: Carl Kaufmann
#6 gets my vote. I am envious of something so beautifully worded. In a
nice way, I mean :-)
A very close second, and a quote that is worthy of note:
10) What Christians do is use faith to leap the gap from ignorance to
certainty, and then confuse certainty with knowledge. They end up still
ignorant, but filled with certainty, and that's a revolting combination.
They glorify faith, but faith is just ignorance in disguise.
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Liz
-Steve Makohin | Reply to
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| User: "Michelle Martin" |
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27 Jan 2004 09:43:33 PM |
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In article <nemo0037-EF5707.19590227012004@news01.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote:
10) What Christians do is use faith to leap the gap from ignorance to
certainty, and then confuse certainty with knowledge. They end up still
ignorant, but filled with certainty, and that's a revolting combination.
They glorify faith, but faith is just ignorance in disguise.
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Liz
This is my choice.
Michelle Martin
AA #1474
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Those who live too long with unquestioned contradictions are not
apt to be able to deal with reality when it eventually befalls
them. --Gore Vidal--
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| User: "Lee Dimas" |
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27 Jan 2004 08:35:58 PM |
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In article <nemo0037-EF5707.19590227012004@news01.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote:
12) You believe in God, even with no 'proof' correct? So why can't
atheists believe in morality?
By: RainLover
Nominated: Randy Day
Seconded: Roy Sinnamond
I'll go with this one.
Lee Dimas
aa#11101111001
Surely you can figure out my address.
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| User: "David Opstad" |
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27 Jan 2004 11:48:05 PM |
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In article <nemo0037-EF5707.19590227012004@news01.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote:
9) In response to:
"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' "
If even a fool can figure it out, what's your excuse?
By: Fred Stone
Nominated: Daniel Kolle
Seconded: Meteorite Debris
I like this one. Short and to the point!
Dave Opstad
a.a. #1747
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| User: "johac" |
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28 Jan 2004 01:27:11 AM |
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In article <nemo0037-EF5707.19590227012004@news01.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote:
It's cold and dreary and cold. Good time to do the Quote of the Month
polling. Maybe in February, I'll be warm enough to have some interesting
thoughts. Not tonight, though...
Here are the nominations for Atheist Quote of the Month for January
2004. Vote for your favorite by responding to this thread. Votes will be
accepted until midnight, Jan. 31. See rules below. Questions? Comments?
Email me.
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8) You didn't just accept an offer - you picked one offer out of
thousands. You picked the one you liked the best. If you didn't like
it, you didn't pick it.
You also choose whether or not to play by all the rules. I know you
aren't following every rule set down in the Bible. Because if you
did, you'd be arrested. Not to mention, you picked your bible out of
the hundreds available today.
None of that was God's will as your religion as told it. All of that
was your own choice. Your choice over your God's. No Theist tells
us that he was carefully instructed by God to pick this religion and
follow those rules - the theist always explains how he himself decided
which rule was most important and which was meaningless. He even
takes great pride in his decisions. Even though often those decisions
are the exact opposite of a brother in his own church. If the
brothers choose to fight over the decisions - well we just divy up the
church into us's and them's and make 2 new churches - each with their
own seperate set of rules now.
Where does 'God's' word lie in all that? Where are your morals now?
How trustworthy to anyone can that be?
By: Kate
Nominated: Beowulf
Seconded: Icarus
I'll go with No. 8. Nice post, Kate.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "George Ricker" |
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28 Jan 2004 08:12:06 AM |
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In article <nemo0037-EF5707.19590227012004@news01.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote:
Lots of good choices this month, but this one from Fred Stone is my
favorite.
9) In response to:
"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' "
If even a fool can figure it out, what's your excuse?
By: Fred Stone
Nominated: Daniel Kolle
Seconded: Meteorite Debris
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George Ricker
The most accurate way to spell "one nation under 'God'" is T*H*E*O*C*R*A*C*Y.
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| User: "Sean C" |
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27 Jan 2004 08:14:07 PM |
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In article <nemo0037-EF5707.19590227012004@news01.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote:
9) In response to:
"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' "
If even a fool can figure it out, what's your excuse?
By: Fred Stone
Nominated: Daniel Kolle
Seconded: Meteorite Debris
Gotta give one to Fred for pithiness.
Sean C
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| User: "Stranger" |
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27 Jan 2004 09:01:45 PM |
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11) Stealth creationists. They know that their nonsense won't pass
scientific muster, so they try to disguise it and sneak it in the back
door. They can put all the lipstick that they want on that pig, but
it's still only a pig. No insult to pigs intended.
By: John Hachmann
Nominated: nemo
Seconded: Tink
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-Stranger
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27 Jan 2004 09:41:09 PM |
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In article <nemo0037-EF5707.19590227012004@news01.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote:
This one, even thought it's been said (and nominated) before.
9) In response to:
"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' "
If even a fool can figure it out, what's your excuse?
By: Fred Stone
Nominated: Daniel Kolle
Seconded: Meteorite Debris
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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27 Jan 2004 11:51:01 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:59:06 GMT, a stranger
called by some *nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Number 5. Succinct, perfect.
5) Religion begets fear. And vice versa.
By: Vic Sagerquist
Nominated: Tink
Seconded: Ron Baker
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Harry Leopold" |
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31 Jan 2004 01:31:10 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:59:06 -0600, nemo* wrote
(in message <nemo0037-EF5707.19590227012004@news01.east.earthlink.net>):
Here are the nominations for Atheist Quote of the Month for January
2004. Vote for your favorite by responding to this thread. Votes will be
accepted until midnight, Jan. 31. See rules below. Questions? Comments?
Email me.
This one, though I had a hell of a time deciding, I thought all were worthy
of winning.
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2) I hope you won't take it personally if I call you an idiot.
Children are one hell of a lot smarter than a lot of adults like to
think. My little sis understood fairly advanced physics when she was 4,
as did I. You fucking idiot. You think that kids are stupid and
therefore shouldn't be taught anything hard, and then when you find they
don't know the answers to hard questions (because fucking morons like
you choose to withhold the knowledge from them), you assume that's just
because they're stupid.
You just have to present it in terms and vocabulary they already know --
because to explain something to a person, they have to know the words
you're using. Better yet, teach them what the words mean, then use
those words to teach them advanced subjects.
(If you're offended by the names I'm calling you, consider that a person
just tried to pass on useful knowledge to his son and you called it a
"stupid idea". In other words, shut the ***** up and take the abuse,
because you deserve it.)
By: Mekkala
Nominated: Tracy
Seconded: Harry Leopold
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Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
"Nothing can stand up to atheistic critical examination. You guys are the
proctologists of Religion." - angelicusrex
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28 Jan 2004 03:11:11 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:59:06 +0000, *nemo* wrote:
7) In response to:
First it was the flood where he killed millions of innocent humans and
animals. Then it was the murder-suicide on Golgotha. What the ***** is
next?
Flooding the world with "true believers", immune to logic, who believe it
is their divine commission to convert everyone to Xtianity? Creating a
global computer network so those evangelists can annoy people without
having to leave home?
By: MarkA
Nominated: Roy Sinnamond
Seconded: Vic Sagerquist
I liked it when I nominated it, and I like it now.
Number seven, please.
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Roy Sinnamond
aa #1798 EAC Minister of Cognitive Dissonance
roysinnamond at mac dot com
"That'll put marzipan in your pie plate, Bingo!"
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30 Jan 2004 06:03:48 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:59:06 GMT, *nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com>
in news message
<nemo0037-EF5707.19590227012004@news01.east.earthlink.net> wrote:
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I vote for 10.
10) What Christians do is use faith to leap the gap from ignorance to
certainty, and then confuse certainty with knowledge. They end up still
ignorant, but filled with certainty, and that's a revolting combination.
They glorify faith, but faith is just ignorance in disguise.
By: Denis Loubet
Nominated: towelie
Seconded: Liz
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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27 Jan 2004 08:00:08 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:59:06 GMT, *nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com>
thought hard and said:
9) In response to:
"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' "
If even a fool can figure it out, what's your excuse?
By: Fred Stone
Nominated: Daniel Kolle
Seconded: Meteorite Debris
Hee hee.
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| User: "Rory B. Bellows" |
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30 Jan 2004 04:43:38 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:59:06 GMT, *nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com>
wrote:
17) In response to a request for Jesus jokes:
There was this guy who created everything in perfection, but it was so
imperfect that he flooded the planet to wipe it out and start over. The
second version was equally imperfect, so he decided to incarnate himself
to free the world from the very evil he himself had created and could
magic away any time he wished. He was born of a virgin, let the
firstborn of every Jew be killed, spoke in riddles, never said a word
against slavery, racism, war, alcohol or abortion. He told everyone in
his best Schwarzeneggar voice, "I'll be back", got nailed to a cross,
and hasn't been heard from since. They call him the Son of God.
Isn't that enough of a joke?!!!
By: Budikka
Nominated: MarkA
Seconded: Levy Oates
This one.
The address is non-existant to frustrate spammers. If you know who I am, you know my real address.
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| User: "DJ Nozem" |
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28 Jan 2004 01:46:39 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:59:06 GMT, *nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com>
wrote:
It's cold and dreary and cold. Good time to do the Quote of the Month
polling. Maybe in February, I'll be warm enough to have some interesting
thoughts. Not tonight, though...
It's cold and dreary and cold across the Atlantic too, if it's a
comfort...
8) You didn't just accept an offer - you picked one offer out of
thousands. You picked the one you liked the best. If you didn't like
it, you didn't pick it.
You also choose whether or not to play by all the rules. I know you
aren't following every rule set down in the Bible. Because if you
did, you'd be arrested. Not to mention, you picked your bible out of
the hundreds available today.
None of that was God's will as your religion as told it. All of that
was your own choice. Your choice over your God's. No Theist tells
us that he was carefully instructed by God to pick this religion and
follow those rules - the theist always explains how he himself decided
which rule was most important and which was meaningless. He even
takes great pride in his decisions. Even though often those decisions
are the exact opposite of a brother in his own church. If the
brothers choose to fight over the decisions - well we just divy up the
church into us's and them's and make 2 new churches - each with their
own seperate set of rules now.
Where does 'God's' word lie in all that? Where are your morals now?
How trustworthy to anyone can that be?
By: Kate
Nominated: Beowulf
Seconded: Icarus
Kate gets my vote for saying "Where are your morals now?"
No, seriously, it's all about choice and believers can only be better
for it when they recognize this. Good quote.
--
We give meaning to each other
DJ Nozem aa#1465
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| User: "AngryJohn" |
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27 Jan 2004 07:49:12 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:59:06 GMT, *nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com>
wrote:
My vote
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9) In response to:
"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' "
If even a fool can figure it out, what's your excuse?
By: Fred Stone
Nominated: Daniel Kolle
Seconded: Meteorite Debris
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aa#2106
Remove Belief to reply
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| User: "raven1" |
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27 Jan 2004 08:44:32 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:59:06 GMT, *nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com>
wrote:
Point of order:
Nemo, I have a serious question as to whether this should be eligible
or not:
9) In response to:
"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' "
If even a fool can figure it out, what's your excuse?
I've seen that exact response dozens of times before from dozens of
different posters.
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