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"*nemo*" |
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aa - The polls are open! AQOTM for Oct 2007 |
Here are the nominations for Atheist Quote of the Month for October
2007. Vote for your favorite by responding to this thread. Votes will be
accepted until midnight, Oct 31, 2007. See rules below. Questions?
Comments?
Email me.
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1) Creationism can't lose because it's utterly void of "facts." It
depends entirely on beliefs which are nothing more than opinion. When
facts enter into the equation and the creationist's argument falls
apart he falls back to arguing his "belief in god" and the debate ends.
It's futile.
It's like trying to tell a Republican that we've never had any money in
the Treasury to pay for tax cuts. He doesn't want to hear the facts,
he wants politicians and right wing blow hards to tell him it's ok to be
irresponsible.
By: zzpat
Nominated: stoney
Seconded: jemcd
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2) I am in awe. You have come up with a completely original argument
[against atheism] that we have *never heard before*!! Also, your logic
is completely air-tight and bullet proof!! Amazing!!!!
Since you are obviously such an intellectual giant, perhaps you could
explain to us how you can have God-like certainty that Zeus doesn't
exist? Or, perhaps you actively worship all of the tens of thousands of
gods that humans have imagined over the years? Perhaps you could explain
if God, being All-powerful, could create another god, even greater than
Himself? Or, being All-knowing, how He could be wandering around in the
garden of Eden, looking for Adam and Eve, as if He didn't know where
they were, and what they were up to? I've also wondered why the Devil,
being as crafty as he is, would even try to rebel against a God that is
All-powerful? Seems like a pretty dumb idea, right from the start, don't
you think?
By: MarkA
Nominated: Lisbeth Andersson
Seconded: Smiler
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3) But when people eschew actual reality for the placebo effect, they
are denying themselves the benefits of reality. Such is the problem with
people expending efforts, energy, time, money, and will on the various
mythical gods, which would be much better directed to facing reality. If
every Church was a hospital, every Mosque a school of physics, and every
Synagouge a soup kitchen...the world would be a better place.
By: Hatter
Nominated: Sara Brum
Seconded: Chris Johnson
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4) In response to:
You can be condescending all you want. It doesn't change the
fact that you're a hypocrite. It just makes you a condescending
hypocrite.
So all adults are hypocritical when dealing with all children? No, it's
just that adults are more mature than children - that's how you can tell
the difference between them - and religious belief is the sign of a
mental child.
By: Al Klein
Nominated: stoney
Seconded: Michael Gray
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5) In response to:
No, because God simultaneously exists in all times.
You know, it really cracks me up when religionist idiots like this dolt
go into such great detail about what their imaginary father figure knows
and does.
It's like listening to eight year old girls talk about their Barbie
dolls: "Barbie knows when I'm feeling sad... She told me what I'm
getting for my birthday... Barbie doesn't like mean people..."
By: Scott Richter
Nominated: Michael Gray
Seconded: Mike
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6) The Bible is not that important to Christianity. They use it as a
weapon, not as an example to follow.
By: Al Klein
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Michael Gray
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7) Theists not only move the goal posts, they've put the goal posts on
wheels.
By: Al Klein
Nominated: Doc Smartass
Seconded: Andres64
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8) In fact, I often wonder why the omni-being is never said to be
omni-understanding. It seems to me that it would not even be possible
for an omnipotent, omniscient, all-wise God to take offense at anything.
He'd be above it all. He'd know the roots of all transgression, and he'd
work not to punish people but to guide them to correction, and to
redress the harm caused by people's mistaken actions. Indeed, he'd know
how to effect all necessary repairs at once, and the fact that the world
is so broken and hostile seems a good indication that all the omni-talk
is omni-baloney.
By: Brian E. Clark
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Smiler
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9) So. JC's three day suffering is, to us, about equivalent to rolling
over in bed and banging your head. And _this_ was the ultimate
sacrifice, was it? :)
By: Kelsey Bjarnason
Nominated: stoney
Seconded: John H.
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10) Hey.... Don't feel bad about killing God..he came back to life again.
Many years later, God, Prophet Mohamed and I were good neighbours. When
Mohd married his 9 year old bride, God got really jealous and fuming
mad. To placate God, Mohd let him sleep with his child bride on the
first night.
She was such a good fucker, God couldn't stop fucking her.. He was at it
"all night long...followed by all day long... on and on ". Finally on
the 7th day he dropped dead...never to came back to life ever again.
This is the reason why human never see him again. It is the fault of
Mohamed that God is dead.
By: baldeagle
Nominated: Sippuddin
Seconded: LKYs Mother
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Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Gail Futoran" |
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29 Oct 2007 06:56:34 PM |
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#2
Gail
aa#2247
2) I am in awe. You have come up with a completely original
argument [against atheism] that we have *never heard before*!!
Also, your logic is completely air-tight and bullet proof!!
Amazing!!!!
Since you are obviously such an intellectual giant, perhaps you
could explain to us how you can have God-like certainty that Zeus
doesn't exist? Or, perhaps you actively worship all of the tens of
thousands of gods that humans have imagined over the years? Perhaps
you could explain if God, being All-powerful, could create another
god, even greater than Himself? Or, being All-knowing, how He could
be wandering around in the garden of Eden, looking for Adam and Eve,
as if He didn't know where they were, and what they were up to?
I've also wondered why the Devil, being as crafty as he is, would
even try to rebel against a God that is All-powerful? Seems like a
pretty dumb idea, right from the start, don't you think?
By: MarkA
Nominated: Lisbeth Andersson
Seconded: Smiler
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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27 Oct 2007 07:11:46 PM |
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#5
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27 Oct 2007 09:52:48 AM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote in message
news:13i5vn6kg3rgs62@corp.supernews.com...
3) But when people eschew actual reality for the placebo effect, they are
denying themselves the benefits of reality. Such is the problem with
people expending efforts, energy, time, money, and will on the various
mythical gods, which would be much better directed to facing reality. If
every Church was a hospital, every Mosque a school of physics, and every
Synagouge a soup kitchen...the world would be a better place.
By: Hatter
Nominated: Sara Brum
Seconded: Chris Johnson
I'll stick with this one. It says so much that needs to be emphasised to
all theists, not just the fundies.
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| User: "Smiler" |
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29 Oct 2007 12:02:53 AM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote in message
news:13i5vn6kg3rgs62@corp.supernews.com...
Here are the nominations for Atheist Quote of the Month for October
2007. ------------
8) In fact, I often wonder why the omni-being is never said to be
omni-understanding. It seems to me that it would not even be possible for
an omnipotent, omniscient, all-wise God to take offense at anything. He'd
be above it all. He'd know the roots of all transgression, and he'd work
not to punish people but to guide them to correction, and to redress the
harm caused by people's mistaken actions. Indeed, he'd know how to effect
all necessary repairs at once, and the fact that the world is so broken
and hostile seems a good indication that all the omni-talk is
omni-baloney.
By: Brian E. Clark
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Smiler
No. 8 for me.
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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27 Oct 2007 08:09:43 AM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote in message
news:13i5vn6kg3rgs62@corp.supernews.com...
I vote for # 8. Well said.
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8) In fact, I often wonder why the omni-being is never said to be
omni-understanding. It seems to me that it would not even be possible for
an omnipotent, omniscient, all-wise God to take offense at anything. He'd
be above it all. He'd know the roots of all transgression, and he'd work
not to punish people but to guide them to correction, and to redress the
harm caused by people's mistaken actions. Indeed, he'd know how to effect
all necessary repairs at once, and the fact that the world is so broken
and hostile seems a good indication that all the omni-talk is
omni-baloney.
By: Brian E. Clark
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Smiler
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rb #2187
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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27 Oct 2007 10:30:15 AM |
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*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> writes:
Here are the nominations for Atheist Quote of the Month for October 2007. Vote
for your favorite by responding to this thread. Votes will be accepted until
midnight, Oct 31, 2007. See rules below. Questions? Comments?
Email me.
[...]
7) Theists not only move the goal posts, they've put the goal posts on
wheels.
By: Al Klein
Nominated: Doc Smartass
Seconded: Andres64
That sums it up in less than 80 characters.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 6, San Antonio 5 (SO) (October 19)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 27 at San Antonio, 7:05
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| User: "Steve O" |
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27 Oct 2007 07:15:32 PM |
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This one for me, thanks
7) Theists not only move the goal posts, they've put the goal posts on
wheels.
By: Al Klein
Nominated: Doc Smartass
Seconded: Andres64
--
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
"Believe the Bible! - Because all the works of modern science cannot equal
the wisdom of goat - sacrificing primitives who thought that all the animal
species in the world lived within walking distance of Noah's house."
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| User: "Sanitys Little Helper" |
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27 Oct 2007 04:46:12 AM |
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*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote in
news:13i5vn6kg3rgs62@corp.supernews.com to alt.atheism:
Here are the nominations for Atheist Quote of the Month for October
2007. Vote for your favorite by responding to this thread. Votes will
be accepted until midnight, Oct 31, 2007. See rules below.
Questions? Comments?
Email me.
This one:
9) So. JC's three day suffering is, to us, about equivalent to
rolling over in bed and banging your head. And _this_ was the
ultimate sacrifice, was it? :)
By: Kelsey Bjarnason
Nominated: stoney
Seconded: John H.
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David Silverman C.B.E.
aa #2208
Lord Mayor of Awphucket
Not authentic without this signature.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/proselytising/
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27 Oct 2007 09:12:08 AM |
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*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote in
news:13i5vn6kg3rgs62@corp.supernews.com:
5) In response to:
No, because God simultaneously exists in all times.
You know, it really cracks me up when religionist idiots like this
dolt go into such great detail about what their imaginary father
figure knows and does.
It's like listening to eight year old girls talk about their Barbie
dolls: "Barbie knows when I'm feeling sad... She told me what I'm
getting for my birthday... Barbie doesn't like mean people..."
By: Scott Richter
Nominated: Michael Gray
Seconded: Mike
This one.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government
when it deserves it.
-Mark Twain
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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27 Oct 2007 05:55:21 PM |
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*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote in news:13i5vn6kg3rgs62
@corp.supernews.com:
7) Theists not only move the goal posts, they've put the goal posts on
wheels.
By: Al Klein
Nominated: Doc Smartass
Seconded: Andres64
This'n
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Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "Pat Kiewicz" |
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27 Oct 2007 07:54:03 AM |
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*nemo* said:
Here are the nominations for Atheist Quote of the Month for October
2007. Vote for your favorite by responding to this thread.
#8 for me:
8) In fact, I often wonder why the omni-being is never said to be
omni-understanding. It seems to me that it would not even be possible
for an omnipotent, omniscient, all-wise God to take offense at anything.
He'd be above it all. He'd know the roots of all transgression, and he'd
work not to punish people but to guide them to correction, and to
redress the harm caused by people's mistaken actions. Indeed, he'd know
how to effect all necessary repairs at once, and the fact that the world
is so broken and hostile seems a good indication that all the omni-talk
is omni-baloney.
By: Brian E. Clark
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Smiler
--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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27 Oct 2007 10:30:44 AM |
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*nemo* wrote:
#5
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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27 Oct 2007 09:43:54 AM |
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*nemo* wrote:
[snip]
5) In response to:
No, because God simultaneously exists in all times.
You know, it really cracks me up when religionist idiots like this dolt
go into such great detail about what their imaginary father figure knows
and does.
It's like listening to eight year old girls talk about their Barbie
dolls: "Barbie knows when I'm feeling sad... She told me what I'm
getting for my birthday... Barbie doesn't like mean people..."
By: Scott Richter
Nominated: Michael Gray
Seconded: Mike
This one.
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R
Atheist Chair,
EAC Disciplinary Committee
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28 Oct 2007 04:26:38 PM |
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5) In response to:
No, because God simultaneously exists in all times.
You know, it really cracks me up when religionist idiots like this dolt
go into such great detail about what their imaginary father figure
knows and does.
It's like listening to eight year old girls talk about their Barbie
dolls: "Barbie knows when I'm feeling sad... She told me what I'm
getting for my birthday... Barbie doesn't like mean people..."
By: Scott Richter
Nominated: Michael Gray
Seconded: Mike
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This one.
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Skydivers don't knock on death's door; they ring the bell and run
away... It really pisses him off.
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
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| User: "Olrik" |
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28 Oct 2007 12:49:15 AM |
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6) The Bible is not that important to Christianity. They use it as a
weapon, not as an example to follow.
By: Al Klein
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Michael Gray
That one. Right on the money. Thanks, Al.
Olrik
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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27 Oct 2007 03:24:55 PM |
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Because the Christian god does not live up to even my
ethical standards, I vote for #8.
8) In fact, I often wonder why the omni-being is never said to be
omni-understanding. It seems to me that it would not even be possible
for an omnipotent, omniscient, all-wise God to take offense at anything.
He'd be above it all. He'd know the roots of all transgression, and he'd
work not to punish people but to guide them to correction, and to
redress the harm caused by people's mistaken actions. Indeed, he'd know
how to effect all necessary repairs at once, and the fact that the world
is so broken and hostile seems a good indication that all the omni-talk
is omni-baloney.
By: Brian E. Clark
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Smiler
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| User: "DCinON" |
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28 Oct 2007 11:53:41 AM |
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I'll vote for #2
Doug
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| User: "johac" |
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28 Oct 2007 01:32:44 AM |
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In article <13i5vn6kg3rgs62@corp.supernews.com>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote:
Here are the nominations for Atheist Quote of the Month for October
2007. Vote for your favorite by responding to this thread. Votes will be
accepted until midnight, Oct 31, 2007. See rules below. Questions?
Comments?
Email me.
8) In fact, I often wonder why the omni-being is never said to be
omni-understanding. It seems to me that it would not even be possible
for an omnipotent, omniscient, all-wise God to take offense at anything.
He'd be above it all. He'd know the roots of all transgression, and he'd
work not to punish people but to guide them to correction, and to
redress the harm caused by people's mistaken actions. Indeed, he'd know
how to effect all necessary repairs at once, and the fact that the world
is so broken and hostile seems a good indication that all the omni-talk
is omni-baloney.
By: Brian E. Clark
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Smiler
I'll vote for 8. Well put. I totally agree.
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John #1782
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| User: "Siobhan Burke" |
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29 Oct 2007 05:30:09 AM |
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In article <13i5vn6kg3rgs62@corp.supernews.com>, nemo0037
@earthlink.diespam.com says...
Here are the nominations for Atheist Quote of the Month for October
2007. Vote for your favorite by responding to this thread. Votes will be
accepted until midnight, Oct 31, 2007. See rules below. Questions?
Comments?
Email me.
This one:
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4) In response to:
You can be condescending all you want. It doesn't change the
fact that you're a hypocrite. It just makes you a condescending
hypocrite.
So all adults are hypocritical when dealing with all children? No, it's
just that adults are more mature than children - that's how you can tell
the difference between them - and religious belief is the sign of a
mental child.
By: Al Klein
Nominated: stoney
Seconded: Michael Gray
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Siobhan - alt.atheism list #2201
hellflower.alMayne@earthlink.net (Now a real address, if you ice
the alMayne.)
Just keep walking, preacher-man. --River Tam
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27 Oct 2007 08:36:28 AM |
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Number 8
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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27 Oct 2007 02:58:29 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 05:03:33 -0400 *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> carved the following into the hard
stone of alt.atheism
#7, please.
7) Theists not only move the goal posts, they've put the goal posts on
wheels.
By: Al Klein
Nominated: Doc Smartass
Seconded: Andres64
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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27 Oct 2007 12:21:16 PM |
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On Oct 27, 4:03 am, *nemo* <nemo0...@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote:
#5
5) In response to:
No, because God simultaneously exists in all times.
You know, it really cracks me up when religionist idiots like this dolt
go into such great detail about what their imaginary father figure knows
and does.
It's like listening to eight year old girls talk about their Barbie
dolls: "Barbie knows when I'm feeling sad... She told me what I'm
getting for my birthday... Barbie doesn't like mean people..."
By: Scott Richter
Nominated: Michael Gray
Seconded: Mike
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29 Oct 2007 07:23:18 PM |
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On Oct 27, 5:03 am, *nemo* <nemo0...@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote:
8) In fact, I often wonder why the omni-being is never said to be
omni-understanding. It seems to me that it would not even be possible
for an omnipotent, omniscient, all-wise God to take offense at anything.
He'd be above it all. He'd know the roots of all transgression, and he'd
work not to punish people but to guide them to correction, and to
redress the harm caused by people's mistaken actions. Indeed, he'd know
how to effect all necessary repairs at once, and the fact that the world
is so broken and hostile seems a good indication that all the omni-talk
is omni-baloney.
By: Brian E. Clark
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Smiler
This one.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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On Oct 27, 5:03 pm, *nemo* <nemo0...@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote:
8) In fact, I often wonder why the omni-being is never said to be
omni-understanding. It seems to me that it would not even be possible
for an omnipotent, omniscient, all-wise God to take offense at anything.
He'd be above it all. He'd know the roots of all transgression, and he'd
work not to punish people but to guide them to correction, and to
redress the harm caused by people's mistaken actions. Indeed, he'd know
how to effect all necessary repairs at once, and the fact that the world
is so broken and hostile seems a good indication that all the omni-talk
is omni-baloney.
By: Brian E. Clark
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Smiler
This one.
Martin
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27 Oct 2007 01:26:26 PM |
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"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193484422.358446.59610@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 27, 5:03 pm, *nemo* <nemo0...@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote:
8) In fact, I often wonder why the omni-being is never said to be
omni-understanding. It seems to me that it would not even be possible
for an omnipotent, omniscient, all-wise God to take offense at anything.
He'd be above it all. He'd know the roots of all transgression, and he'd
work not to punish people but to guide them to correction, and to
redress the harm caused by people's mistaken actions. Indeed, he'd know
how to effect all necessary repairs at once, and the fact that the world
is so broken and hostile seems a good indication that all the omni-talk
is omni-baloney.
By: Brian E. Clark
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Smiler
This one.
Martin
Piggybacking, since I didn't get the AQOTM or TQOTM again.
I vote for this one for AQOTM.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 04:03:33 -0500, nemo* wrote
(in article <13i5vn6kg3rgs62@corp.supernews.com>):
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8) In fact, I often wonder why the omni-being is never said to be
omni-understanding. It seems to me that it would not even be possible for an
omnipotent, omniscient, all-wise God to take offense at anything. He'd be
above it all. He'd know the roots of all transgression, and he'd work not to
punish people but to guide them to correction, and to redress the harm caused
by people's mistaken actions. Indeed, he'd know how to effect all necessary
repairs at once, and the fact that the world is so broken and hostile seems a
good indication that all the omni-talk is omni-baloney.
By: Brian E. Clark Nominated: Brenda Nelson Seconded: Smiler
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This one.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³That's their whole point. They put a Groucho Marx mask on their god and call
him an 'intelligent designer.' No one is supposed to notice.³- johac
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 05:03:33 -0400, *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote:
#5
Here are the nominations for Atheist Quote of the Month for October
2007. Vote for your favorite by responding to this thread. Votes will be
accepted until midnight, Oct 31, 2007. See rules below. Questions?
Comments?
Email me.
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1) Creationism can't lose because it's utterly void of "facts." It
depends entirely on beliefs which are nothing more than opinion. When
facts enter into the equation and the creationist's argument falls
apart he falls back to arguing his "belief in god" and the debate ends.
It's futile.
It's like trying to tell a Republican that we've never had any money in
the Treasury to pay for tax cuts. He doesn't want to hear the facts,
he wants politicians and right wing blow hards to tell him it's ok to be
irresponsible.
By: zzpat
Nominated: stoney
Seconded: jemcd
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2) I am in awe. You have come up with a completely original argument
[against atheism] that we have *never heard before*!! Also, your logic
is completely air-tight and bullet proof!! Amazing!!!!
Since you are obviously such an intellectual giant, perhaps you could
explain to us how you can have God-like certainty that Zeus doesn't
exist? Or, perhaps you actively worship all of the tens of thousands of
gods that humans have imagined over the years? Perhaps you could explain
if God, being All-powerful, could create another god, even greater than
Himself? Or, being All-knowing, how He could be wandering around in the
garden of Eden, looking for Adam and Eve, as if He didn't know where
they were, and what they were up to? I've also wondered why the Devil,
being as crafty as he is, would even try to rebel against a God that is
All-powerful? Seems like a pretty dumb idea, right from the start, don't
you think?
By: MarkA
Nominated: Lisbeth Andersson
Seconded: Smiler
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3) But when people eschew actual reality for the placebo effect, they
are denying themselves the benefits of reality. Such is the problem with
people expending efforts, energy, time, money, and will on the various
mythical gods, which would be much better directed to facing reality. If
every Church was a hospital, every Mosque a school of physics, and every
Synagouge a soup kitchen...the world would be a better place.
By: Hatter
Nominated: Sara Brum
Seconded: Chris Johnson
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4) In response to:
You can be condescending all you want. It doesn't change the
fact that you're a hypocrite. It just makes you a condescending
hypocrite.
So all adults are hypocritical when dealing with all children? No, it's
just that adults are more mature than children - that's how you can tell
the difference between them - and religious belief is the sign of a
mental child.
By: Al Klein
Nominated: stoney
Seconded: Michael Gray
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5) In response to:
No, because God simultaneously exists in all times.
You know, it really cracks me up when religionist idiots like this dolt
go into such great detail about what their imaginary father figure knows
and does.
It's like listening to eight year old girls talk about their Barbie
dolls: "Barbie knows when I'm feeling sad... She told me what I'm
getting for my birthday... Barbie doesn't like mean people..."
By: Scott Richter
Nominated: Michael Gray
Seconded: Mike
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6) The Bible is not that important to Christianity. They use it as a
weapon, not as an example to follow.
By: Al Klein
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Michael Gray
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7) Theists not only move the goal posts, they've put the goal posts on
wheels.
By: Al Klein
Nominated: Doc Smartass
Seconded: Andres64
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8) In fact, I often wonder why the omni-being is never said to be
omni-understanding. It seems to me that it would not even be possible
for an omnipotent, omniscient, all-wise God to take offense at anything.
He'd be above it all. He'd know the roots of all transgression, and he'd
work not to punish people but to guide them to correction, and to
redress the harm caused by people's mistaken actions. Indeed, he'd know
how to effect all necessary repairs at once, and the fact that the world
is so broken and hostile seems a good indication that all the omni-talk
is omni-baloney.
By: Brian E. Clark
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Smiler
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9) So. JC's three day suffering is, to us, about equivalent to rolling
over in bed and banging your head. And _this_ was the ultimate
sacrifice, was it? :)
By: Kelsey Bjarnason
Nominated: stoney
Seconded: John H.
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10) Hey.... Don't feel bad about killing God..he came back to life again.
Many years later, God, Prophet Mohamed and I were good neighbours. When
Mohd married his 9 year old bride, God got really jealous and fuming
mad. To placate God, Mohd let him sleep with his child bride on the
first night.
She was such a good fucker, God couldn't stop fucking her.. He was at it
"all night long...followed by all day long... on and on ". Finally on
the 7th day he dropped dead...never to came back to life ever again.
This is the reason why human never see him again. It is the fault of
Mohamed that God is dead.
By: baldeagle
Nominated: Sippuddin
Seconded: LKYs Mother
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Here are the rules for the Quote of the Month Contests.
RULES
1. Only atheists and agnostics may participate in the contests.
2. A quote is a valid entry for the contests if:
a. The quote is a brief piece of text
b. The quote has recently been written in alt.atheism (verifiable),
and is original (no quotes by famous authors, for instance)
c. Nomination of the quote is made by an atheist or agnostic
in alt.atheism
d. Nomination of the quote is supported by at least one other
atheist or agnostic in alt.atheism;
e. The quote is not nominated or seconded by the person who wrote it
in the first place (no one is allowed to nominate him- or herself,
but a person can vote for the quote he or she wrote.)
3. There will be two categories: 'Atheist Quote of the Month'
and 'Theist Quote of the Month'. The category for which a
quote must be nominated must be mentioned by the atheist or
agnostic who wants to nominate it.
If a quote is miscategorized (e.g. an atheist quote is mistakenly
nominated in the Theist QOTM category), the quote will be re-directed
to appear in the correct category, with approriate notification.
4. Nominations can be made until five days before the first of the
next month. If quotes are nominated after this period, they will be
considered as entries for the contest of the next month.
* When making a nomination, please use this format for the subject
line:
"aa - <A or T as applicable>QOTM Nomination (was: <original thread
name>)"
5. Each atheist or agnostic who visits alt.atheism has one vote to
cast for each category (two votes total).
6. Voting starts 5 days before the end of the month. During the month,
votes will be ignored. This way, all nominees will have equal chance of
winning.
7. The two winning quotes will be published in the QOTM Archive.
SUMMARY
A nomination must contain the following information:
1. The lines of the quote.
2. Who wrote it.
3. Who nominates or seconds the nomination of this quote (that's you!)
4. Which category this nomination is for.
5. The word "nomination" MUST appear somewhere in the subject line!
6. The original thread title must appear in the subject line.
Publish the nomination or support for a nomination in a designated
thread, preferably called "[T/A]QoTM Nomination for [month]." You can
also e-mail it to me (see below).
VOTING
1. In the last five days of the month you can cast your vote in both
categories.
2. Votes must be placed in the designated thread.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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27 Oct 2007 07:04:37 AM |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 05:03:33 -0400, *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote:
5) In response to:
No, because God simultaneously exists in all times.
You know, it really cracks me up when religionist idiots like this dolt
go into such great detail about what their imaginary father figure knows
and does.
It's like listening to eight year old girls talk about their Barbie
dolls: "Barbie knows when I'm feeling sad... She told me what I'm
getting for my birthday... Barbie doesn't like mean people..."
By: Scott Richter
Nominated: Michael Gray
Seconded: Mike
I vote for #5. I was a difficult decision between 1, 3 and 5, but in
the end, invocation of Barbie won the day.
Liz #658 BAAWA
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31 Oct 2007 09:10:22 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 05:03:33 -0400, *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote:
9) So. JC's three day suffering is, to us, about equivalent to rolling
over in bed and banging your head. And _this_ was the ultimate
sacrifice, was it? :)
By: Kelsey Bjarnason
Nominated: stoney
Seconded: John H.
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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27 Oct 2007 08:37:07 AM |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 05:03:33 -0400, *nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com>
wrote:
4) In response to:
You can be condescending all you want. It doesn't change the
fact that you're a hypocrite. It just makes you a condescending
hypocrite.
So all adults are hypocritical when dealing with all children? No, it's
just that adults are more mature than children - that's how you can tell
the difference between them - and religious belief is the sign of a
mental child.
Gets my vote.
WOA (Wicked Old Atheist) #2278
If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel
http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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27 Oct 2007 08:39:11 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, *nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com>
bloodied us up with this:
10) Hey.... Don't feel bad about killing God..he came back to life
again.
Many years later, God, Prophet Mohamed and I were good neighbours.
When Mohd married his 9 year old bride, God got really jealous and
fuming mad. To placate God, Mohd let him sleep with his child bride on
the first night.
She was such a good fucker, God couldn't stop fucking her.. He was at
it "all night long...followed by all day long... on and on ". Finally
on the 7th day he dropped dead...never to came back to life ever
again.
This is the reason why human never see him again. It is the fault of
Mohamed that God is dead.
Yup, #10 for me.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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27 Oct 2007 10:29:48 PM |
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Recently, *nemo* wrote:
Here are the nominations for Atheist Quote of the Month for October
2007. Vote for your favorite by responding to this thread. Votes will be
accepted until midnight,
My Hamster told me to vote for this one.
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5) In response to:
No, because God simultaneously exists in all times.
You know, it really cracks me up when religionist idiots like this dolt
go into such great detail about what their imaginary father figure knows
and does.
It's like listening to eight year old girls talk about their Barbie
dolls: "Barbie knows when I'm feeling sad... She told me what I'm
getting for my birthday... Barbie doesn't like mean people..."
By: Scott Richter
Nominated: Michael Gray
Seconded: Mike
--
I'll drop down to my knees
after god gets down on her elbows
Hamish McNugget
aa# 2134 a-vet# 20
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27 Oct 2007 07:03:29 AM |
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This one for me pls...
1) Creationism can't lose because it's utterly void of "facts." It
depends entirely on beliefs which are nothing more than opinion. When
facts enter into the equation and the creationist's argument
falls apart he falls back to arguing his "belief in god" and the debate
ends. It's futile.
It's like trying to tell a Republican that we've never had any money
in the Treasury to pay for tax cuts. He doesn't want to hear the
facts, he wants politicians and right wing blow hards to tell him it's ok
to
be irresponsible.
By: zzpat
Nominated: stoney
Seconded: jemcd
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27 Oct 2007 10:08:12 AM |
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This one gets my vote.
8) In fact, I often wonder why the omni-being is never said to be
omni-understanding. It seems to me that it would not even be possible
for an omnipotent, omniscient, all-wise God to take offense at anything.
He'd be above it all. He'd know the roots of all transgression, and he'd
work not to punish people but to guide them to correction, and to
redress the harm caused by people's mistaken actions. Indeed, he'd know
how to effect all necessary repairs at once, and the fact that the world
is so broken and hostile seems a good indication that all the omni-talk
is omni-baloney.
By: Brian E. Clark
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Smiler
--
George Ricker
"Godless in America" by George Ricker is now available at
online book sellers, like amazon.com, and most book retailers.
Go to http://www.godlessinamerica.com for more information.
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27 Oct 2007 06:22:26 PM |
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This one please.
8) In fact, I often wonder why the omni-being is never said to be
omni-understanding. It seems to me that it would not even be possible
for an omnipotent, omniscient, all-wise God to take offense at anything.
He'd be above it all. He'd know the roots of all transgression, and he'd
work not to punish people but to guide them to correction, and to
redress the harm caused by people's mistaken actions. Indeed, he'd know
how to effect all necessary repairs at once, and the fact that the world
is so broken and hostile seems a good indication that all the omni-talk
is omni-baloney.
By: Brian E. Clark
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Smiler
Andy
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27 Oct 2007 02:36:15 PM |
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This one:
8) In fact, I often wonder why the omni-being is never said to be
omni-understanding. It seems to me that it would not even be possible
for an omnipotent, omniscient, all-wise God to take offense at anything.
He'd be above it all. He'd know the roots of all transgression, and he'd
work not to punish people but to guide them to correction, and to
redress the harm caused by people's mistaken actions. Indeed, he'd know
how to effect all necessary repairs at once, and the fact that the world
is so broken and hostile seems a good indication that all the omni-talk
is omni-baloney.
By: Brian E. Clark
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Smiler
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar*
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30 Oct 2007 01:12:16 PM |
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Uhh, nemo, Sippuddin is Septic, thought he was banned from nominating.
On Oct 27, 5:03 am, *nemo* <nemo0...@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote:
Here are the nominations for Atheist Quote of the Month for October
2007. Vote for your favorite by responding to this thread. Votes will be
accepted until midnight, Oct 31, 2007. See rules below. Questions?
Comments?
Email me.
* * * * *
1) Creationism can't lose because it's utterly void of "facts." It
depends entirely on beliefs which are nothing more than opinion. When
facts enter into the equation and the creationist's argument falls
apart he falls back to arguing his "belief in god" and the debate ends.
It's futile.
It's like trying to tell a Republican that we've never had any money in
the Treasury to pay for tax cuts. He doesn't want to hear the facts,
he wants politicians and right wing blow hards to tell him it's ok to be
irresponsible.
By: zzpat
Nominated: stoney
Seconded: jemcd
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2) I am in awe. You have come up with a completely original argument
[against atheism] that we have *never heard before*!! Also, your logic
is completely air-tight and bullet proof!! Amazing!!!!
Since you are obviously such an intellectual giant, perhaps you could
explain to us how you can have God-like certainty that Zeus doesn't
exist? Or, perhaps you actively worship all of the tens of thousands of
gods that humans have imagined over the years? Perhaps you could explain
if God, being All-powerful, could create another god, even greater than
Himself? Or, being All-knowing, how He could be wandering around in the
garden of Eden, looking for Adam and Eve, as if He didn't know where
they were, and what they were up to? I've also wondered why the Devil,
being as crafty as he is, would even try to rebel against a God that is
All-powerful? Seems like a pretty dumb idea, right from the start, don't
you think?
By: MarkA
Nominated: Lisbeth Andersson
Seconded: Smiler
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3) But when people eschew actual reality for the placebo effect, they
are denying themselves the benefits of reality. Such is the problem with
people expending efforts, energy, time, money, and will on the various
mythical gods, which would be much better directed to facing reality. If
every Church was a hospital, every Mosque a school of physics, and every
Synagouge a soup kitchen...the world would be a better place.
By: Hatter
Nominated: Sara Brum
Seconded: Chris Johnson
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4) In response to:
You can be condescending all you want. It doesn't change the
fact that you're a hypocrite. It just makes you a condescending
hypocrite.
So all adults are hypocritical when dealing with all children? No, it's
just that adults are more mature than children - that's how you can tell
the difference between them - and religious belief is the sign of a
mental child.
By: Al Klein
Nominated: stoney
Seconded: Michael Gray
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5) In response to:
No, because God simultaneously exists in all times.
You know, it really cracks me up when religionist idiots like this dolt
go into such great detail about what their imaginary father figure knows
and does.
It's like listening to eight year old girls talk about their Barbie
dolls: "Barbie knows when I'm feeling sad... She told me what I'm
getting for my birthday... Barbie doesn't like mean people..."
By: Scott Richter
Nominated: Michael Gray
Seconded: Mike
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6) The Bible is not that important to Christianity. They use it as a
weapon, not as an example to follow.
By: Al Klein
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Michael Gray
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7) Theists not only move the goal posts, they've put the goal posts on
wheels.
By: Al Klein
Nominated: Doc Smartass
Seconded: Andres64
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8) In fact, I often wonder why the omni-being is never said to be
omni-understanding. It seems to me that it would not even be possible
for an omnipotent, omniscient, all-wise God to take offense at anything.
He'd be above it all. He'd know the roots of all transgression, and he'd
work not to punish people but to guide them to correction, and to
redress the harm caused by people's mistaken actions. Indeed, he'd know
how to effect all necessary repairs at once, and the fact that the world
is so broken and hostile seems a good indication that all the omni-talk
is omni-baloney.
By: Brian E. Clark
Nominated: Brenda Nelson
Seconded: Smiler
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9) So. JC's three day suffering is, to us, about equivalent to rolling
over in bed and banging your head. And _this_ was the ultimate
sacrifice, was it? :)
By: Kelsey Bjarnason
Nominated: stoney
Seconded: John H.
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10) Hey.... Don't feel bad about killing God..he came back to life again.
Many years later, God, Prophet Mohamed and I were good neighbours. When
Mohd married his 9 year old bride, God got really jealous and fuming
mad. To placate God, Mohd let him sleep with his child bride on the
first night.
She was such a good fucker, God couldn't stop fucking her.. He was at it
"all night long...followed by all day long... on and on ". Finally on
the 7th day he dropped dead...never to came back to life ever again.
This is the reason why human never see him again. It is the fault of
Mohamed that God is dead.
By: baldeagle
Nominated: Sippuddin
Seconded: LKYs Mother
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Here are the rules for the Quote of the Month Contests.
RULES
1. Only atheists and agnostics may participate in the contests.
2. A quote is a valid entry for the contests if:
a. The quote is a brief piece of text
b. The quote has recently been written in alt.atheism (verifiable),
and is original (no quotes by famous authors, for instance)
c. Nomination of the quote is made by an atheist or agnostic
in alt.atheism
d. Nomination of the quote is supported by at least one other
atheist or agnostic in alt.atheism;
e. The quote is not nominated or seconded by the person who wrote it
in the first place (no one is allowed to nominate him- or herself,
but a person can vote for the quote he or she wrote.)
3. There will be two categories: 'Atheist Quote of the Month'
and 'Theist Quote of the Month'. The category for which a
quote must be nominated must be mentioned by the atheist or
agnostic who wants to nominate it.
If a quote is miscategorized (e.g. an atheist quote is mistakenly
nominated in the Theist QOTM category), the quote will be re-directed
to appear in the correct category, with approriate notification.
4. Nominations can be made until five days before the first of the
next month. If quotes are nominated after this period, they will be
considered as entries for the contest of the next month.
* When making a nomination, please use this format for the subject
line:
"aa - <A or T as applicable>QOTM Nomination (was: <original thread
name>)"
5. Each atheist or agnostic who visits alt.atheism has one vote to
cast for each category (two votes total).
6. Voting starts 5 days before the end of the month. During the month,
votes will be ignored. This way, all nominees will have equal chance of
winning.
7. The two winning quotes will be published in the QOTM Archive.
SUMMARY
A nomination must contain the following information:
1. The lines of the quote.
2. Who wrote it.
3. Who nominates or seconds the nomination of this quote (that's you!)
4. Which category this nomination is for.
5. The word "nomination" MUST appear somewhere in the subject line!
6. The original thread title must appear in the subject line.
Publish the nomination or support for a nomination in a designated
thread, preferably called "[T/A]QoTM Nomination for [month]." You can
also e-mail it to me (see below).
VOTING
1. In the last five days of the month you can cast your vote in both
categories.
2. Votes must be placed in the designated thread.
--
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Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
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Quotemeister since March 2002
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