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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Larry Mundinger"
Date: 21 May 2006 02:11:14 PM
Object: AA Action Alert-- Tell officials, NO Christian Cross at Ground Zero memorial!
American Atheists Action Alert
May 21, 2005

OFFICIALS NEED TO HEAR FROM US NOW -- NO " MIRACLE DEBRIS"
CHRISTIAN CROSS AT
WORLD TRADE CENTER MEMORIAL!
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-21-may-2006.html


The group in charge of developing a memorial for victims of the
September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center has announced it will
permanently display a "miracle debris" cross formed by two pieces of
steel left standing after the collapse of the twin towers.

In making the announcement last week, WTC Memorial Foundation President
and CEO Gretchen Dykstra disingenuously avoided the issue of violating
the separation of government and religion by saying that it is a
"delicate issue" (Associate Press) and that viewers of the display
should draw their own conclusions about whether there is religious
significance.

The scheme to display the Christian cross has been endorsed by the
Lower Manhattan Clergy Council and the New York Disaster Interfaith
Services. Dykstra stated in a letter that the display "tells the story
of 9/11" and is "not an object of veneration."

This double-talk, however, conveniently ignores the history of the
20-foot cross which has been the focal point of religious services and
pilgrimages (link: http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/islam19.htm).

AMERICAN ATHEISTS President Ellen Johnson said that the decision is
meant to "religionize" the WTC memorial, which is located on land owned
by the Port Authority.

"The property is owned by a public entity, and any memorial must avoid
the promotion of religion," Johnson told reporters. "It is odd that
from all of the debris left from the 9/11 attacks on the Trade Center,
officials have conveniently decided to include a pair of intersecting
metal beams that form a cross have become the focus of religious
passions."

Johnson said that if groups wish to display the cross, it should be
located on public property.

She added that such a religious display "invites litigation."

OFFICIALS NEED TO HEAR FROM US NOW!

AMERICAN ATHEISTS hopes to avoid litigation by persuading public
officials to rescind this reckless decision for the unconstitutional
display of the "miracle debris" Christian cross. We urge you to let
WTC Foundation President Dykstra, NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg, and NY
Governor George E. Pataki know how you feel about using public land to
promote religion!

CONTACT INFO AND TIPS ON WRITING

Gretchen Dykstra
World Trade Center Memorial Foundation
One Liberty Plaza, 20th Floor
New York, NY 10006

Phone: 212-312-8800

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg
City Hall
New York, NY 10007

E-mail: Use on-line form located at -
http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mayor.html
(FAX): 212-788-2460

Gov. George E. Pataki
State Capitol
Albany, NY 12224

Phone: 518-474-8390
E-mail: Use on-line form through the link at:
http://www.state.ny.us/governor/contact/index.html


* Send letters and E-mails to these officials speaking out against the
display of the Christian cross. The cross is a religious symbol, and
this structure has become inextricably linked to religious belief. It
has been the scene of masses and other religious gatherings. The
debris-cross belongs on private, not public property!

* Be polite and courteous. Point out that the proposed display is
unconstitutional and will likely invite costly legal challenge. It is
also a divisive symbol! Religious people of all faiths, as well as
Atheists, freethinkers, humanists and other non-believers were affected
by the tragic events of 9/11. Fanatical religious and political
passions claimed the lives of thousands of innocent people. Any
memorial should draw us together as Americans, not divide us by
promoting sectarian religion.

* Ask for a response in writing to your concerns!

* Be sure to sign your letter and provide an e-mail or postal address.

* Share your letters on our web site! Visit
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-21-may-2006.html

* Spread this Action Alert.

(AMERICAN ATHEISTS is a nationwide movement that defends civil rights
for Atheists; works for the total separation of church and state; and
addresses issues of First Amendment public policy.)
--
--
Larry Mundinger (aa#451) American Atheists Internet Representative
<irep @ atheists.org> <http://www.atheists.org/>
<http://www.americanatheist.org/> <http://www.atheistviewpoint.tv/>
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User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: AA Action Alert-- Tell officials, NO Christian Cross at Ground Zero memorial! 21 May 2006 03:02:35 PM
"Larry Mundinger" <see.signature@below.invalid> wrote in message
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American Atheists Action Alert
May 21, 2005

OFFICIALS NEED TO HEAR FROM US NOW -- NO " MIRACLE DEBRIS"
CHRISTIAN CROSS AT
WORLD TRADE CENTER MEMORIAL!
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-21-may-2006.html

Couldn't that cross-shaped debris be considered a signature of the person or
persons responsible for the disaster?
It seems akin to leaving your drivers liscense at the scene of the crime,
doesn't it?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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User: "Big Dave"

Title: Re: AA Action Alert-- Tell officials, NO Christian Cross at Ground Zero memorial! 21 May 2006 04:05:58 PM
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Larry Mundinger" <see.signature@below.invalid> wrote in message
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American Atheists Action Alert
May 21, 2005

OFFICIALS NEED TO HEAR FROM US NOW -- NO " MIRACLE DEBRIS"
CHRISTIAN CROSS AT
WORLD TRADE CENTER MEMORIAL!
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-21-may-2006.html


Couldn't that cross-shaped debris be considered a signature of the person
or persons responsible for the disaster?

It seems akin to leaving your drivers liscense at the scene of the crime,
doesn't it?

All of those crosses on the sides of the hiways marking the spot(s)
where loved ones were killed. When I see one, it makes me sick as I think
the relatives are leaving a thank you card for what their god did...
David H.
#2217
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User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: AA Action Alert-- Tell officials, NO Christian Cross at Ground Zero memorial! 21 May 2006 04:49:16 PM
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Big Dave
(dhaap@houston.r.r.com) made the light shine upon us with this:


"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Larry Mundinger" <see.signature@below.invalid> wrote in message
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American Atheists Action Alert
May 21, 2005

OFFICIALS NEED TO HEAR FROM US NOW -- NO " MIRACLE
DEBRIS"
CHRISTIAN CROSS AT
WORLD TRADE CENTER MEMORIAL!
http://www.atheists.org/action/alert-21-may-2006.html


Couldn't that cross-shaped debris be considered a signature of the
person or persons responsible for the disaster?

It seems akin to leaving your drivers liscense at the scene of the
crime, doesn't it?


All of those crosses on the sides of the hiways marking the
spot(s)
where loved ones were killed. When I see one, it makes me sick as I
think the relatives are leaving a thank you card for what their god
did...

Funny how most Christians will not agree that their religion is a death
cult.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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