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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Elroy Willis"
Date: 03 Jun 2005 10:10:16 AM
Object: AA Article
I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:
http://www.americanatheist.org/win96-7/T2/ozjesus.html
It's pretty long, and I wonder if anyone around here disagrees with
any of the info on the page.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.

User: "G-Ride"

Title: Re: AA Article 03 Jun 2005 03:55:08 PM
"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:rbs0a1ds7chhu0c25fr01e4eokms2j8jmj@4ax.com...


I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:

http://www.americanatheist.org/win96-7/T2/ozjesus.html

It's pretty long, and I wonder if anyone around here disagrees with
any of the info on the page.

Thanks for posting. I briefly looked over it and it looks interesting. It
is now at the top of my "to read" stack.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
"Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga."
- Dalai Llama
.

User: "snex"

Title: Re: AA Article 03 Jun 2005 04:14:27 PM
Elroy Willis wrote:

I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:

http://www.americanatheist.org/win96-7/T2/ozjesus.html

It's pretty long, and I wonder if anyone around here disagrees with
any of the info on the page.

--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com

i dont like the way zindler randomly throws in speculations of his own
devising without labeling them as such. other than that, it has some
good facts to throw at christians.
.
User: "FreeThink"

Title: Re: AA Article 03 Jun 2005 04:20:57 PM
snex wrote:

Elroy Willis wrote:

I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:

http://www.americanatheist.org/win96-7/T2/ozjesus.html

It's pretty long, and I wonder if anyone around here disagrees with
any of the info on the page.

--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com


i dont like the way zindler randomly throws in speculations of his own
devising without labeling them as such. other than that, it has some
good facts to throw at christians.

Even more information to use when we "throw back the curtain" and
expose the real "Wizard of OZ."
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: AA Article 04 Jun 2005 07:43:40 AM
FreeThink <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism

snex wrote:

Elroy Willis wrote:

I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:
http://www.americanatheist.org/win96-7/T2/ozjesus.html
It's pretty long, and I wonder if anyone around here disagrees with
any of the info on the page.

i dont like the way zindler randomly throws in speculations of his own
devising without labeling them as such. other than that, it has some
good facts to throw at christians.

Even more information to use when we "throw back the curtain" and
expose the real "Wizard of OZ."

The most fervent of religious people would kill you before you could
even get near the curtain to throw it back, and they'd certainly never
throw back the curtain themselves, lest their whole mythology might
end up going down the drain or toilet...
That's the case with the church in Axum, Ethiopia, which claims to
house the original Ark of the Covenant with the actual stone Ten
Commandments. If you try to go into the church to take a look, you'll
be stopped for sure, either by some monk who claims to be the only one
allowed to see it, or by the local people who are intent on preserving
their tourism and tourism dollars based on the legend.
"If the legend is revealed to be false, then all the people around
here would lose their faith and havoc would soon take place, plus we'd
lose all that tourist money," say the tourism and myth pushers.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.



User: "Gregory Gadow"

Title: Re: AA Article 03 Jun 2005 11:02:17 AM
Elroy Willis wrote:

I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:

http://www.americanatheist.org/win96-7/T2/ozjesus.html

It's pretty long, and I wonder if anyone around here disagrees with
any of the info on the page.

Wow. I knew about Nazareth and Bethlehem, but not about the other
locations. Thanks for the interesting link.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe
in one fewer god than you do. When you understand
why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: AA Article 04 Jun 2005 07:18:47 AM
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis wrote:

I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:
http://www.americanatheist.org/win96-7/T2/ozjesus.html
It's pretty long, and I wonder if anyone around here disagrees with
any of the info on the page.

Wow. I knew about Nazareth and Bethlehem, but not about the other
locations. Thanks for the interesting link.

I've known for a while that religion and tourism are intricately tied
together, and the above article served to make that even more clearer
to me.
There is one question I have about the following that's mentioned at
the bottom of the article:
"3 It should be mentioned that where the English Bible gives the name
"Jesus of Nazareth," no such thing is to be found in the Greek text.
The Greek would better be rendered "Jesus the Nazaree" or "Jesus the
Nazarene." Only later was it falsely concluded that the Greek word
involved was derived from the name of a place."
I've seen it mentioned that it should really be "Jesus the Nazarite,"
because Nazarites were supposed to never cut their hair, and that's
why Jesus is almost always depicted with long hair. The Sampson
character was also supposed to be a Nazarite according to one or more
of the articles I've read, which accounts for him having long hair and
him losing power when his hair is chopped off.
It seems that many Christians hate the idea that Jesus might've had
long hair for some reason. It'd make him a hippy, I guess... :)
One of the sites I ran across:
http://bz.llano.net/baptist/jesuslonghair.htm
"Jesus was not a Nazarite! According to Numbers 6:1-27, a Nazarite did
wear long hair. However, Jesus was a Nazarene and not a Nazarite.
While the two words look similar in English, they are entirely
different in looks and meaning in the original language of the Bible.
A Nazarene was one that lived in Nazareth, according to Matthew 2:23.
A Nazarite was one who took a Nazarite vow, according to Numbers 6."
Considering Zindler's article above about Nazareth not even existing
at the time of Jesus, except as a necropolis, it seems that the
Baptists are using a fictional place to defend their belief that Jesus
didn't have long hair, don't you think?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: AA Article 08 Jun 2005 01:46:15 PM
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 12:18:47 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:

Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis wrote:


I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:


http://www.americanatheist.org/win96-7/T2/ozjesus.html


It's pretty long, and I wonder if anyone around here disagrees with
any of the info on the page.


Wow. I knew about Nazareth and Bethlehem, but not about the other
locations. Thanks for the interesting link.


I've known for a while that religion and tourism are intricately tied
together, and the above article served to make that even more clearer
to me.

There is one question I have about the following that's mentioned at
the bottom of the article:

"3 It should be mentioned that where the English Bible gives the name
"Jesus of Nazareth," no such thing is to be found in the Greek text.
The Greek would better be rendered "Jesus the Nazaree" or "Jesus the
Nazarene." Only later was it falsely concluded that the Greek word
involved was derived from the name of a place."

I've seen it mentioned that it should really be "Jesus the Nazarite,"
because Nazarites were supposed to never cut their hair, and that's
why Jesus is almost always depicted with long hair. The Sampson
character was also supposed to be a Nazarite according to one or more
of the articles I've read, which accounts for him having long hair and
him losing power when his hair is chopped off.

It seems that many Christians hate the idea that Jesus might've had
long hair for some reason. It'd make him a hippy, I guess... :)

One of the sites I ran across:
http://bz.llano.net/baptist/jesuslonghair.htm

"Jesus was not a Nazarite! According to Numbers 6:1-27, a Nazarite did
wear long hair. However, Jesus was a Nazarene and not a Nazarite.
While the two words look similar in English, they are entirely
different in looks and meaning in the original language of the Bible.
A Nazarene was one that lived in Nazareth, according to Matthew 2:23.
A Nazarite was one who took a Nazarite vow, according to Numbers 6."

Considering Zindler's article above about Nazareth not even existing
at the time of Jesus, except as a necropolis, it seems that the
Baptists are using a fictional place to defend their belief that Jesus
didn't have long hair, don't you think?

Fictional places and fictional characters all part of a land that
never was.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
User: "George Ricker"

Title: Re: AA Article 08 Jun 2005 02:30:03 PM
In article <k6fea1d96e2l4t3b704es8qcl3q9eksn77@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 12:18:47 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:

Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis wrote:


I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:


http://www.americanatheist.org/win96-7/T2/ozjesus.html


It's pretty long, and I wonder if anyone around here disagrees with
any of the info on the page.


Wow. I knew about Nazareth and Bethlehem, but not about the other
locations. Thanks for the interesting link.


I've known for a while that religion and tourism are intricately tied
together, and the above article served to make that even more clearer
to me.

There is one question I have about the following that's mentioned at
the bottom of the article:

"3 It should be mentioned that where the English Bible gives the name
"Jesus of Nazareth," no such thing is to be found in the Greek text.
The Greek would better be rendered "Jesus the Nazaree" or "Jesus the
Nazarene." Only later was it falsely concluded that the Greek word
involved was derived from the name of a place."

I've seen it mentioned that it should really be "Jesus the Nazarite,"
because Nazarites were supposed to never cut their hair, and that's
why Jesus is almost always depicted with long hair. The Sampson
character was also supposed to be a Nazarite according to one or more
of the articles I've read, which accounts for him having long hair and
him losing power when his hair is chopped off.

It seems that many Christians hate the idea that Jesus might've had
long hair for some reason. It'd make him a hippy, I guess... :)

One of the sites I ran across:
http://bz.llano.net/baptist/jesuslonghair.htm

"Jesus was not a Nazarite! According to Numbers 6:1-27, a Nazarite did
wear long hair. However, Jesus was a Nazarene and not a Nazarite.
While the two words look similar in English, they are entirely
different in looks and meaning in the original language of the Bible.
A Nazarene was one that lived in Nazareth, according to Matthew 2:23.
A Nazarite was one who took a Nazarite vow, according to Numbers 6."

Considering Zindler's article above about Nazareth not even existing
at the time of Jesus, except as a necropolis, it seems that the
Baptists are using a fictional place to defend their belief that Jesus
didn't have long hair, don't you think?


Fictional places and fictional characters all part of a land that
never was.

And where the gods are housed most securely.
--
George Ricker
"'God' is a penny in reality's fuse box."
.




User: "stoney"

Title: Re: AA Article 08 Jun 2005 01:44:56 PM
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:10:16 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:


I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:

http://www.americanatheist.org/win96-7/T2/ozjesus.html

It's pretty long, and I wonder if anyone around here disagrees with
any of the info on the page.

What's to disagree with? If things are as Mr. Zindler indicates, but
then facts don't matter when it comes to superstition.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.

User: "duke"

Title: Re: AA Article 03 Jun 2005 12:45:43 PM
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:10:16 GMT, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:

I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:

Most intelligent people stop on first spotting "oz".
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: AA Article 03 Jun 2005 12:59:54 PM
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:45:43 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:10:16 GMT, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:

I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:


Most intelligent people stop on first spotting "oz".

So you didn't?
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: AA Article 04 Jun 2005 07:33:54 AM
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:59:54 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@notatleswell.freeuk.com> wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:45:43 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:10:16 GMT, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:

I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:


Most intelligent people stop on first spotting "oz".


So you didn't?

I personally stopped dead on seeing "oz".
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
User: "The Great Hairy One"

Title: Re: AA Article 04 Jun 2005 06:39:56 PM
In article <ns73a1tpllbvchul8k1avnmcpr5tlclge8@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

I personally stopped dead on seeing "oz".

You know I live in Oz, right?
--
The Great Hairy One,
BAAWA it all over!
And a SMASHing good time for all of us
=======================================
CEO EAC Roleplaying Division
Roleplaying isn't just a lifestyle
It's a higher calling.
.

User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: AA Article 04 Jun 2005 12:27:46 PM
duke wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:59:54 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@notatleswell.freeuk.com> wrote:


On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:45:43 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:


On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:10:16 GMT, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:


I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:


Most intelligent people stop on first spotting "oz".


So you didn't?



I personally stopped dead on seeing "oz".

So, you didn't.
.

User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: AA Article 04 Jun 2005 12:49:57 PM
duke wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:59:54 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@notatleswell.freeuk.com> wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:45:43 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:10:16 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:

I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read
the first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on
here. It's written by Frank R. Zindler:


Most intelligent people stop on first spotting "oz".


So you didn't?


I personally stopped dead on seeing "oz".


Getting our hopes up.
.



User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: AA Article 03 Jun 2005 02:48:19 PM
duke wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:10:16 GMT, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:


I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:



Most intelligent people stop on first spotting "oz".

Like most intelligent people stop on first spotting "God" or "The LORD."
There is just as much evidence to Oz as there is to God.
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: AA Article 04 Jun 2005 07:36:28 AM
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:48:19 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:

I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:


Most intelligent people stop on first spotting "oz".

Like most intelligent people stop on first spotting "God" or "The LORD."

No, I would rate them as "unintelligent". All evidence demands the existence of
almighty God.

There is just as much evidence to Oz as there is to God.

Oz is a children's term.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: AA Article 04 Jun 2005 12:30:02 PM
duke wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:48:19 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:


I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:




Most intelligent people stop on first spotting "oz".


Like most intelligent people stop on first spotting "God" or "The LORD."



No, I would rate them as "unintelligent". All evidence demands the existence of
almighty God.

No, I would rate you as "unintelligent." All evidence demands the
existence of Oz.



There is just as much evidence to Oz as there is to God.



Oz is a children's term.

So is "God." Time for you to grow up, dukey.
.


User: "Harry F. Leopold"

Title: Re: AA Article 03 Jun 2005 05:28:21 PM
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:48:19 -0500, DanielSan wrote
(in article <7u2oe.742$U_2.342@trnddc06>):

duke wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:10:16 GMT, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>
wrote:


I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:



Most intelligent people stop on first spotting "oz".


Like most intelligent people stop on first spotting "God" or "The LORD."

There is just as much evidence to Oz as there is to God.

More, actually. Kansas does exist, as do tornados, farm houses, farms and
rainbows.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³4 out of 5 dentists recommend the Theory of Evolution.³-John S. Wilkins
.


User: "Jon."

Title: Re: AA Article 03 Jun 2005 01:01:32 PM
duke wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:10:16 GMT, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:

I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:


Most intelligent people stop on first spotting "oz".

No, most intelligent people recognize a metaphor when they see one.
Jon.
aa #703
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: AA Article 04 Jun 2005 07:34:56 AM
On 3 Jun 2005 11:01:32 -0700, "Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote:



duke wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:10:16 GMT, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:

I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:


Most intelligent people stop on first spotting "oz".


No, most intelligent people recognize a metaphor when they see one.

Elroy is a metaphor.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: AA Article 04 Jun 2005 12:28:53 PM
duke wrote:

On 3 Jun 2005 11:01:32 -0700, "Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote:



duke wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:10:16 GMT, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:


I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:


Most intelligent people stop on first spotting "oz".


No, most intelligent people recognize a metaphor when they see one.



Elroy is a metaphor.

....which makes absolutely zero sense. What a vacuous thing to say. Run
out of things to say, dukey?
.
User: "Doc Smartass"

Title: Re: AA Article 04 Jun 2005 06:14:08 PM
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:pxloe.4878$J73.1087@trnddc05:

duke wrote:

On 3 Jun 2005 11:01:32 -0700, "Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote:



duke wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:10:16 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:


I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read
the first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on
here. It's written by Frank R. Zindler:


Most intelligent people stop on first spotting "oz".


No, most intelligent people recognize a metaphor when they see one.



Elroy is a metaphor.


...which makes absolutely zero sense. What a vacuous thing to say.
Run out of things to say, dukey?

He spends so much time up to his hips with foot-in-mouth disease, maybe it
was a hiccup.
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
You can't please everyone all the time; your tongue will get tired.
.





User: "Harry F. Leopold"

Title: Re: AA Article 03 Jun 2005 05:26:31 PM
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:10:16 -0500, Elroy Willis wrote
(in article <rbs0a1ds7chhu0c25fr01e4eokms2j8jmj@4ax.com>):


I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:

http://www.americanatheist.org/win96-7/T2/ozjesus.html

It's pretty long, and I wonder if anyone around here disagrees with
any of the info on the page.

Topeka, Kansas has a subway? Strange that no one has thought to mention it to
the citizens of Topeka anytime in the last 20 years I have lived here.
²Lamentably, however, a careful scrutiny of all the Landsat photographs for
the area in question turns up absolutely no trace of Ozian ruins. Exhaustive
search detects no trace of Emeraldite buildings. Even a careful reading of
the excavation reports made when the Topeka and Kansas City subway systems
were built reveals no evidence of Ozoid foundations or artifacts. We must
conclude that Emerald City never existed -- ever.³
Now Topeka officials will admit, grudgingly, to having an unused
"International Airport," but no murmur of an intra-state subway has ever
surfaced. Pardon the pun.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"I've heard myself say a lot of vocal things, but I've never heard myself
think." - Duke32
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: AA Article 04 Jun 2005 07:29:42 AM
Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in alt.atheism

Eroy Willis wrote

I ran across the following link this morning, and have only read the
first 30% or so, but found it interesting enough to pass on here.
It's written by Frank R. Zindler:
http://www.americanatheist.org/win96-7/T2/ozjesus.html
It's pretty long, and I wonder if anyone around here disagrees with
any of the info on the page.

Topeka, Kansas has a subway? Strange that no one has thought to mention
it to the citizens of Topeka anytime in the last 20 years I have lived here.

I found that claim surprising as well. Even with regards to Kansas
City, since I lived there for a few years 35 years ago, and never
heard of a subway system when I lived there. Granted, I was only a
young child at the time, so I probably wouldn't have known about it if
it did actually exist at the time, but I just Googled around and
couldn't find any maps for an actual KC subway system...

²Lamentably, however, a careful scrutiny of all the Landsat photographs for
the area in question turns up absolutely no trace of Ozian ruins. Exhaustive
search detects no trace of Emeraldite buildings. Even a careful reading of
the excavation reports made when the Topeka and Kansas City subway systems
were built reveals no evidence of Ozoid foundations or artifacts. We must
conclude that Emerald City never existed -- ever.³
Now Topeka officials will admit, grudgingly, to having an unused
"International Airport," but no murmur of an intra-state subway has ever
surfaced. Pardon the pun.

Perhaps Zindler was going one level deeper into sarcasm or metaphor in
some way with the subway references? Hmm...
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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