Gandalf Grey wrote:

No it's not. You said you had a proof that god cannot exist.

See, there you go LYING again.

Gandalf Grey wrote:

Barwell dug up the work of people who are openly critical of process
theology and exactly one process theologian who mentioned a doubt. The
subject is essentially an open debate on only one aspect of process
theology.

This is equivalent to saying that when Stephen Jay Gould proposed the
theory of punctuated equilibrium as a better explanation of evolution and
Jerry Falwell said that he didn't believe in Evolution that meant that
"the evolution crew admitted their theory doesn't work."

Barwell went to articles that had been printed in Process
Theology's own journals, not hostile outsiders

No liar, you cannot brazen this out with lies and diversions.

I tweaked my essay a bit to put things more
accurately. Over 35 years the mainstream religions
failed to utilize their large numbers to effectively
draw a line in the sand and end these policies of
supporting genocide and evil.

They were at best feeble and uncertain
where they should most certainly been
uncompromising and resolute.

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The Failure of Christianity in America
W. C . Barwell 3-8-05
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1 Corinthians 14:8 For if the trumpet give an
uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

Since Nixon, this nation has rapidly moved quite far to the
right, taken there mainly by christian right wingers who have
fully supported the GOP, as it has moved specifically to
gain support of christian right wingers. This started when
Nixon played the racist Southern Strategy card building on
civil rights era resentments by far right Southerners.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/2/23/172743.shtml
Conservative Southerners were very religious. Among other
things, after desegregation many religious groups started their
ownprivate segregated schools. White Citizens Councils
were formed,many meeting in churches.

The turn towards Christian conservatives accelerated
under Reagan, who skillfully played the religious card, and the
religious right joined the GOP-Reagan revolution that still
is a major influence. That has given the GOP control of Congress
for years, especially thanks to Newt Gingrich and Trent Lott
who gained control of the Congress, House and Senate in 1995
with full support of the politicized religious right.
So we now have had a essentially a christian-GOP government
for 30 years.

who were formed expressedly for political reasons to move
America right and to empower America conservative religionists,
and they have been largely successful.

RICHARD M. NIXON - GERALD FORD.

Christian denominations largely supported incompetent
and corrupt Vietnamese politicians. And a senseless war
in Vietnam that accomplished nothing, run by incompetents.

Not many Christian denominations respected life here.
Or freedom. But supported Nixon heartily despite the
horrors we committed in Vietnam and Cambodia and Chile
and winked at support for others mentioned above.

Not many major religious denominations nor their leaders
spoke out and drew a line at any of this.

RONALD REAGAN 1981 - 1989

Ronald Reagan came to power largely because of the
religious right's politicization and support.

Throughout his administration Ronald Reagan supported
Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge as the official government
of note in Cambodia and the Khmer Rouge delegation
as the official UN delegation of Cambodia to the UN.
Aid is funneled to the Khmer Rouge including $81 million
dollars, and food and uniforms funneled through aid
organizations. Reagan winked as China rearmed Pol Pot,
and leaned on nations not to send aid to Cambodia despite
the devastation of nearly 1/3 of Cambodia's population
killed by Pol Pot's genocidal regime.

Early in his administration Reagan lead the GOP in
support for military aid to the genocidal Rios Montt
of Guatemala, who practiced wholesale mass torture,
mass rape mass murder and genocide on the Mayan Indians
of Guatemala.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/daily/march99/guatemala11.htm

Reagan and the GOP supported the mass murdering ex-Somoza
Guards of Nicaragua.

Reagan and the GOP supported Saddam Hussein of Iraq.

Reagan and the GOP supported the murderous Robert
D'Aubisson of El Salvador, a known far right death
squad leader.

The El Salvadoran government was involved in numerous
murders, and massacres, such as the killing of 400
villagers at a small village called El Mezote, most
of them young women and children.
http://www.usip.org/library/tc/doc/reports/el_salvador/tc_es_03151993_chron1.html

Reagan and the GOP supported Noriega of Panama.

Reagan and the GOP supported a number of murdering
far right extremist guerrilla movements in Africa including
the genocidal RENAMO in Mozambique.

The Christian and religious right heavily supported Reagan
and the GOP despite numerous examples of such evils as
listed above.

The leaders of the religious right never cared
nor complained, and rarely did the religious leaders of the
main stream christian denominations make any effort
to stand up and denounce these outrageous policies.

The members of major denominations made little effort to
complain and demand their religious leaders react to
support for genocidal mass murderers.

Despite having 100 + millions of members, the main stream
denominations made little difference to Reagan and GOP
policies, vigorously supported by the religious right.

There was and is little real respect for life in organized
American christianity as these wholesale and repeat failures of
America christianity collectively over 35 years shows.

Action was mainly confined to small liberal denominations.

What main stream denomination action was taken was feeble
and half hearted at best.

Many churches and denominations whole-heartedly support
Reagan and the GOP despite these horrors, and many
actively worked for Reagan's re-election and support of GOP
candidates, passing out tens of millions of voters' guides
slanted to support of far right GOP candiates and policies.

GEORGE W. BUSH

Bush continued support for the evil dictators above,
including Pinochet, Pol Pot and others. However,
Saddam screwed us and invaded Kuwait, mainly because
Bush screwed up and did not warn him to not do so
as Hussein repeatedly threatened to invade Kuwait
for nearly two months and coolly noted Bush's lack
of much response.

Bush did not act in case of genocide by Yugoslavia's
Milosevic, and Bush and the GOP's loud and obnoxious
foot-dragging here allowed Milosevic to kill
hundreds of thousands with near impunity.

The leaders of the GOP, House and Senate, and religious
leaders of the right
and mainstream denominations never
cared about any of this.

The main stream denominations
rarely made much of an issue out of it, and what was done
was as usual,feeble.

Few Christian leaders of either far right or mainstream
denominations cared, nor brought Bush and the GOP leadership
of House and Senate to task for this genocide of innocents.

The voters' guides pushed in many churches still were demanding
parishioners vote GOP despite these horrors and mass murders.

Few leaders of large, powerful and influential denominations
ever stood up and denounced these mass murders.

Christians
underneath did not push dilatory and feebly responsive denominational
leaders to speak out, act and lead against these mass murders
and war crimes.

Nor the support early in Bush's career for
Saddam and Pop Pot and other genocidal monsters.
The far right churches as usual made no almost no efforts at all.

Clinton:
Under Clinton this Iraq policy continued. Again, Christians
did not care.

All many Christians cared about was Clinton's
don't-ask-don't-tell gays in military policy and Clinton's
sex life and Whitewater. $47 million spent investigating
Whitewater while the Christian right roared with naked hate.
Money spent investigation mass murder in Iraq caused by
our purposeful by our sanctions? $0.
Roars of disprovable from Christian America over these mass
murders? Not much.

From the large far right religious
denominations there was next to no effort at all.

No large denominations ever made these war crimes and
mass murders an issue

task over these horrors in a manner tha ever made a
difference.

What has 35 years of right winged GOP government and right
winger christianity got us?

Mass murder, genocide,
Nothing but callousness, disregard for human life,
support for dictators, a near total moral failure of
religion, Christianity, GOP and the American right.

Not once did the large mass of religious christian
Americans, either leadership or rank and file ever
find any of these evils unacceptable

or punish any
who supported any of this by using their large
memberships to draw a distinct line and make it an
unavoidable issue despite having numbers to do just
that. Not the christian right nor leaders of
major US religious denominations made a real difference.

Most GOP House and Senate members were people who
did these things claimed to be christians.

Not one
cares, not many christian denominations care that
they did not care or act.

Christians posture as moral,

American christians
have a very bad track records when it comes to
morality,

Christianity thus can only be called a moral failure,