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User: "Uncle Buck"
Date: 31 Jan 2005 07:16:23 PM
Object: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you?
Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?
Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?
For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things considered.
.

User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 31 Jan 2005 10:10:53 PM
"Uncle Buck" <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would end
up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering with
ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never experienced
yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would evolve and some
on which it would become intelligent. You'd be producing worlds with
rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers, sunsets, malice, murder,
multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable misery, the experience of both
having children for some, burying children for others... the whole gambit.
Is existing such a beneficial thing that you would invoke the suffering of
untold quadrillions upon quadrillions of individuals so that some may
enjoy the act of being? Whether so or no, why?

Sure. But only if there is the possibility of something smarter than me
emerging.
In other words, if I was omniscient, then no, actually creating a universe
would be cruel and unnecessary.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
.

User: "samantha"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 05 Feb 2005 01:58:47 AM
As opposed to nothing, the universe iz much better - more interesting,
capable of generating the new and unexpected and thus possibly
improving on what went before. Being is richer than non-being. The
suffering is not the most significant bit to me.
- samantha
Uncle Buck wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both

suffering

and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a

beneficial

thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things

considered.
.

User: "johac"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 01 Feb 2005 12:35:08 AM
In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things considered.

If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.
User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 01 Feb 2005 02:30:37 AM
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-E52177.22350831012005@news.giganews.com...

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things

considered.


If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?

Exactly. Perfection doesn't need anything else. How do you add to
perfection? Why would it need anything else? Just the fact of
needing anything at all would make it imperfect. A perfect god doesn't
need humanity to worship it. Therefore, humanity shouldn't exist at all.
In fact, the perfect god doesn't need to exist, either. Once you're perfect,
what else is there?
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--
John Hachmann aa #1782

Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04

.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 02 Feb 2005 12:24:17 AM
In article <NrSdnfeUcqW4o2LcRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-E52177.22350831012005@news.giganews.com...

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things

considered.


If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?


Exactly. Perfection doesn't need anything else. How do you add to
perfection? Why would it need anything else? Just the fact of
needing anything at all would make it imperfect. A perfect god doesn't
need humanity to worship it. Therefore, humanity shouldn't exist at all.
In fact, the perfect god doesn't need to exist, either. Once you're perfect,
what else is there?

Many religious will tell us that god created us so that we could share
in his glory. HIS glory! What kind of a needs to be surrounded by puny,
compared to it, sycophants of it's own creation to honor and praise it?
Not much of a god if you ask me.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 03 Feb 2005 10:11:25 AM
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:24:17 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <NrSdnfeUcqW4o2LcRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-E52177.22350831012005@news.giganews.com...

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things

considered.


If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?


Exactly. Perfection doesn't need anything else. How do you add to
perfection? Why would it need anything else? Just the fact of
needing anything at all would make it imperfect. A perfect god doesn't
need humanity to worship it. Therefore, humanity shouldn't exist at all.
In fact, the perfect god doesn't need to exist, either. Once you're perfect,
what else is there?


Many religious will tell us that god created us so that we could share
in his glory. HIS glory! What kind of a needs to be surrounded by puny,
compared to it, sycophants of it's own creation to honor and praise it?
Not much of a god if you ask me.

And the christian god constantly demonstrates its omni-incompetance.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 04 Feb 2005 12:30:09 AM
In article <37j401llvkv2mhuifc4jt4bq97hkjcb552@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:24:17 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <NrSdnfeUcqW4o2LcRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-E52177.22350831012005@news.giganews.com...

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both
suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a
beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things

considered.


If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?


Exactly. Perfection doesn't need anything else. How do you add to
perfection? Why would it need anything else? Just the fact of
needing anything at all would make it imperfect. A perfect god doesn't
need humanity to worship it. Therefore, humanity shouldn't exist at all.
In fact, the perfect god doesn't need to exist, either. Once you're
perfect,
what else is there?


Many religious will tell us that god created us so that we could share
in his glory. HIS glory! What kind of a needs to be surrounded by puny,
compared to it, sycophants of it's own creation to honor and praise it?
Not much of a god if you ask me.


And the christian god constantly demonstrates its omni-incompetance.

No wonder Shrub thinks he's GAWD. They have so much in common.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 04 Feb 2005 07:17:03 PM
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:30:09 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <37j401llvkv2mhuifc4jt4bq97hkjcb552@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:24:17 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <NrSdnfeUcqW4o2LcRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-E52177.22350831012005@news.giganews.com...

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both
suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a
beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things

considered.


If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?


Exactly. Perfection doesn't need anything else. How do you add to
perfection? Why would it need anything else? Just the fact of
needing anything at all would make it imperfect. A perfect god doesn't
need humanity to worship it. Therefore, humanity shouldn't exist at all.
In fact, the perfect god doesn't need to exist, either. Once you're
perfect,
what else is there?


Many religious will tell us that god created us so that we could share
in his glory. HIS glory! What kind of a needs to be surrounded by puny,
compared to it, sycophants of it's own creation to honor and praise it?
Not much of a god if you ask me.


And the christian god constantly demonstrates its omni-incompetance.


No wonder Shrub thinks he's GAWD. They have so much in common.

Brainless.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 05 Feb 2005 01:46:54 AM
In article <1k78011eg6i72e2hjuqjsljc66pllqa6ms@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:30:09 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <37j401llvkv2mhuifc4jt4bq97hkjcb552@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:24:17 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <NrSdnfeUcqW4o2LcRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-E52177.22350831012005@news.giganews.com...

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that
would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not
interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both
suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life
would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a
beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions
upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of
being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things

considered.


If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?


Exactly. Perfection doesn't need anything else. How do you add to
perfection? Why would it need anything else? Just the fact of
needing anything at all would make it imperfect. A perfect god doesn't
need humanity to worship it. Therefore, humanity shouldn't exist at
all.
In fact, the perfect god doesn't need to exist, either. Once you're
perfect,
what else is there?


Many religious will tell us that god created us so that we could share
in his glory. HIS glory! What kind of a needs to be surrounded by puny,
compared to it, sycophants of it's own creation to honor and praise it?
Not much of a god if you ask me.


And the christian god constantly demonstrates its omni-incompetance.


No wonder Shrub thinks he's GAWD. They have so much in common.


Brainless.

I suppose that we could say that Dub's mind is 'godlike'. It doesn't
exist.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 05 Feb 2005 02:21:42 PM
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:46:54 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <1k78011eg6i72e2hjuqjsljc66pllqa6ms@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:30:09 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <37j401llvkv2mhuifc4jt4bq97hkjcb552@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:24:17 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <NrSdnfeUcqW4o2LcRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-E52177.22350831012005@news.giganews.com...

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that
would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not
interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both
suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life
would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a
beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions
upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of
being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things

considered.


If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?


Exactly. Perfection doesn't need anything else. How do you add to
perfection? Why would it need anything else? Just the fact of
needing anything at all would make it imperfect. A perfect god doesn't
need humanity to worship it. Therefore, humanity shouldn't exist at
all.
In fact, the perfect god doesn't need to exist, either. Once you're
perfect,
what else is there?


Many religious will tell us that god created us so that we could share
in his glory. HIS glory! What kind of a needs to be surrounded by puny,
compared to it, sycophants of it's own creation to honor and praise it?
Not much of a god if you ask me.


And the christian god constantly demonstrates its omni-incompetance.


No wonder Shrub thinks he's GAWD. They have so much in common.


Brainless.


I suppose that we could say that Dub's mind is 'godlike'. It doesn't
exist.

I thought I said that....
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 06 Feb 2005 02:08:09 AM
In article <llaa015960not498ue9jsthbg2hdmcoocv@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:46:54 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <1k78011eg6i72e2hjuqjsljc66pllqa6ms@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:30:09 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <37j401llvkv2mhuifc4jt4bq97hkjcb552@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:24:17 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <NrSdnfeUcqW4o2LcRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-E52177.22350831012005@news.giganews.com...

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that
would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not
interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that
it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both
suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life
would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred,
flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy,
unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a
beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions
upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of
being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things

considered.


If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?


Exactly. Perfection doesn't need anything else. How do you add to
perfection? Why would it need anything else? Just the fact of
needing anything at all would make it imperfect. A perfect god
doesn't
need humanity to worship it. Therefore, humanity shouldn't exist at
all.
In fact, the perfect god doesn't need to exist, either. Once you're
perfect,
what else is there?


Many religious will tell us that god created us so that we could share
in his glory. HIS glory! What kind of a needs to be surrounded by
puny,
compared to it, sycophants of it's own creation to honor and praise
it?
Not much of a god if you ask me.


And the christian god constantly demonstrates its omni-incompetance.


No wonder Shrub thinks he's GAWD. They have so much in common.


Brainless.


I suppose that we could say that Dub's mind is 'godlike'. It doesn't
exist.


I thought I said that....

Yep. I was agreeing.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 06 Feb 2005 12:32:19 PM
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:08:09 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <llaa015960not498ue9jsthbg2hdmcoocv@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:46:54 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <1k78011eg6i72e2hjuqjsljc66pllqa6ms@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

[]

And the christian god constantly demonstrates its omni-incompetance.


No wonder Shrub thinks he's GAWD. They have so much in common.


Brainless.


I suppose that we could say that Dub's mind is 'godlike'. It doesn't
exist.


I thought I said that....


Yep. I was agreeing.

Ok.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.







User: "Harry F. Leopold"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 02 Feb 2005 09:09:39 AM
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:24:17 -0600, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-A5CDD8.22241701022005@news.giganews.com>):

In article <NrSdnfeUcqW4o2LcRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-E52177.22350831012005@news.giganews.com...

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things

considered.


If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?


Exactly. Perfection doesn't need anything else. How do you add to
perfection? Why would it need anything else? Just the fact of
needing anything at all would make it imperfect. A perfect god doesn't
need humanity to worship it. Therefore, humanity shouldn't exist at all.
In fact, the perfect god doesn't need to exist, either. Once you're perfect,
what else is there?


Many religious will tell us that god created us so that we could share
in his glory. HIS glory! What kind of a needs to be surrounded by puny,
compared to it, sycophants of it's own creation to honor and praise it?
Not much of a god if you ask me.


Yeah, after all, how many folks need to be worshipped by their gut flora?
Much less all other bacteria? And according to the Christians we humans are
less than bacteria to this "god" of theirs'.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³Logic eludes you with the ease of an olympic sprinter being chased by a
wombat.³-sanguinevikings
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 03 Feb 2005 10:17:54 AM
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:09:39 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:24:17 -0600, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-A5CDD8.22241701022005@news.giganews.com>):

In article <NrSdnfeUcqW4o2LcRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-E52177.22350831012005@news.giganews.com...

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things

considered.


If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?


Exactly. Perfection doesn't need anything else. How do you add to
perfection? Why would it need anything else? Just the fact of
needing anything at all would make it imperfect. A perfect god doesn't
need humanity to worship it. Therefore, humanity shouldn't exist at all.
In fact, the perfect god doesn't need to exist, either. Once you're perfect,
what else is there?


Many religious will tell us that god created us so that we could share
in his glory. HIS glory! What kind of a needs to be surrounded by puny,
compared to it, sycophants of it's own creation to honor and praise it?
Not much of a god if you ask me.


Yeah, after all, how many folks need to be worshipped by their gut flora?
Much less all other bacteria? And according to the Christians we humans are
less than bacteria to this "god" of theirs'.

But it has a 'personal relationship' with the bacteria....... (rolls
eyes)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 04 Feb 2005 12:32:09 AM
In article <bkj401pmrj223fj9ahnqulm7csmb3ft0rf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:09:39 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:24:17 -0600, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-A5CDD8.22241701022005@news.giganews.com>):

In article <NrSdnfeUcqW4o2LcRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-E52177.22350831012005@news.giganews.com...

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things

considered.


If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?


Exactly. Perfection doesn't need anything else. How do you add to
perfection? Why would it need anything else? Just the fact of
needing anything at all would make it imperfect. A perfect god doesn't
need humanity to worship it. Therefore, humanity shouldn't exist at all.
In fact, the perfect god doesn't need to exist, either. Once you're
perfect,
what else is there?


Many religious will tell us that god created us so that we could share
in his glory. HIS glory! What kind of a needs to be surrounded by puny,
compared to it, sycophants of it's own creation to honor and praise it?
Not much of a god if you ask me.


Yeah, after all, how many folks need to be worshipped by their gut flora?
Much less all other bacteria? And according to the Christians we humans are
less than bacteria to this "god" of theirs'.


But it has a 'personal relationship' with the bacteria....... (rolls
eyes)

It tells them that they are saved before it expels millions of them into
the divine crapper.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 04 Feb 2005 07:16:33 PM
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:32:09 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <bkj401pmrj223fj9ahnqulm7csmb3ft0rf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:09:39 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:24:17 -0600, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-A5CDD8.22241701022005@news.giganews.com>):

In article <NrSdnfeUcqW4o2LcRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-E52177.22350831012005@news.giganews.com...

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things

considered.


If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?


Exactly. Perfection doesn't need anything else. How do you add to
perfection? Why would it need anything else? Just the fact of
needing anything at all would make it imperfect. A perfect god doesn't
need humanity to worship it. Therefore, humanity shouldn't exist at all.
In fact, the perfect god doesn't need to exist, either. Once you're
perfect,
what else is there?


Many religious will tell us that god created us so that we could share
in his glory. HIS glory! What kind of a needs to be surrounded by puny,
compared to it, sycophants of it's own creation to honor and praise it?
Not much of a god if you ask me.


Yeah, after all, how many folks need to be worshipped by their gut flora?
Much less all other bacteria? And according to the Christians we humans are
less than bacteria to this "god" of theirs'.


But it has a 'personal relationship' with the bacteria....... (rolls
eyes)


It tells them that they are saved before it expels millions of them into
the divine crapper.

of never flush.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 05 Feb 2005 01:44:35 AM
In article <vi7801trvd33uf7tmfp8t1br5apkqftolf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:32:09 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <bkj401pmrj223fj9ahnqulm7csmb3ft0rf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:09:39 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:24:17 -0600, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-A5CDD8.22241701022005@news.giganews.com>):

In article <NrSdnfeUcqW4o2LcRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-E52177.22350831012005@news.giganews.com...

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that
would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both
suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life
would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a
beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions
upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things

considered.


If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?


Exactly. Perfection doesn't need anything else. How do you add to
perfection? Why would it need anything else? Just the fact of
needing anything at all would make it imperfect. A perfect god doesn't
need humanity to worship it. Therefore, humanity shouldn't exist at
all.
In fact, the perfect god doesn't need to exist, either. Once you're
perfect,
what else is there?


Many religious will tell us that god created us so that we could share
in his glory. HIS glory! What kind of a needs to be surrounded by puny,
compared to it, sycophants of it's own creation to honor and praise
it?
Not much of a god if you ask me.


Yeah, after all, how many folks need to be worshipped by their gut flora?
Much less all other bacteria? And according to the Christians we humans
are
less than bacteria to this "god" of theirs'.


But it has a 'personal relationship' with the bacteria....... (rolls
eyes)


It tells them that they are saved before it expels millions of them into
the divine crapper.


of never flush.

I guess that gawd only flushes the evil ones on the premise that good
***** floats bad ***** goes down.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 05 Feb 2005 02:20:51 PM
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:44:35 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <vi7801trvd33uf7tmfp8t1br5apkqftolf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:32:09 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <bkj401pmrj223fj9ahnqulm7csmb3ft0rf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:09:39 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:24:17 -0600, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-A5CDD8.22241701022005@news.giganews.com>):

In article <NrSdnfeUcqW4o2LcRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-E52177.22350831012005@news.giganews.com...

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that
would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both
suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life
would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a
beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions
upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things

considered.


If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?


Exactly. Perfection doesn't need anything else. How do you add to
perfection? Why would it need anything else? Just the fact of
needing anything at all would make it imperfect. A perfect god doesn't
need humanity to worship it. Therefore, humanity shouldn't exist at
all.
In fact, the perfect god doesn't need to exist, either. Once you're
perfect,
what else is there?


Many religious will tell us that god created us so that we could share
in his glory. HIS glory! What kind of a needs to be surrounded by puny,
compared to it, sycophants of it's own creation to honor and praise
it?
Not much of a god if you ask me.


Yeah, after all, how many folks need to be worshipped by their gut flora?
Much less all other bacteria? And according to the Christians we humans
are
less than bacteria to this "god" of theirs'.


But it has a 'personal relationship' with the bacteria....... (rolls
eyes)


It tells them that they are saved before it expels millions of them into
the divine crapper.


of never flush.


I guess that gawd only flushes the evil ones on the premise that good
***** floats bad ***** goes down.

Hope 'God' enjoyed the slide....
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 06 Feb 2005 02:06:43 AM
In article <7kaa0153nrv6arts0na0su2031c7v5kcpg@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:44:35 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <vi7801trvd33uf7tmfp8t1br5apkqftolf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:32:09 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <bkj401pmrj223fj9ahnqulm7csmb3ft0rf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:09:39 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:24:17 -0600, johac wrote
(in article <jhachm-A5CDD8.22241701022005@news.giganews.com>):

In article <NrSdnfeUcqW4o2LcRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-E52177.22350831012005@news.giganews.com...

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that
would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not
interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that
it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both
suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life
would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy,
unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a
beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions
upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of
being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things

considered.


If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?


Exactly. Perfection doesn't need anything else. How do you add to
perfection? Why would it need anything else? Just the fact of
needing anything at all would make it imperfect. A perfect god
doesn't
need humanity to worship it. Therefore, humanity shouldn't exist at
all.
In fact, the perfect god doesn't need to exist, either. Once you're
perfect,
what else is there?


Many religious will tell us that god created us so that we could
share
in his glory. HIS glory! What kind of a needs to be surrounded by
puny,
compared to it, sycophants of it's own creation to honor and praise
it?
Not much of a god if you ask me.


Yeah, after all, how many folks need to be worshipped by their gut
flora?
Much less all other bacteria? And according to the Christians we
humans
are
less than bacteria to this "god" of theirs'.


But it has a 'personal relationship' with the bacteria....... (rolls
eyes)


It tells them that they are saved before it expels millions of them into
the divine crapper.


of never flush.


I guess that gawd only flushes the evil ones on the premise that good
***** floats bad ***** goes down.


Hope 'God' enjoyed the slide....

Heh! Heh!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 06 Feb 2005 12:31:42 PM
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 00:06:43 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <7kaa0153nrv6arts0na0su2031c7v5kcpg@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:44:35 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <vi7801trvd33uf7tmfp8t1br5apkqftolf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

[]

Yeah, after all, how many folks need to be worshipped by their gut
flora?
Much less all other bacteria? And according to the Christians we
humans
are
less than bacteria to this "god" of theirs'.


But it has a 'personal relationship' with the bacteria....... (rolls
eyes)


It tells them that they are saved before it expels millions of them into
the divine crapper.


of never flush.


I guess that gawd only flushes the evil ones on the premise that good
***** floats bad ***** goes down.


Hope 'God' enjoyed the slide....


Heh! Heh!

:)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.








User: "Uncle Buck"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 02 Feb 2005 08:59:37 AM
johac wrote:

Many religious will tell us that god created us so that we could share
in his glory. HIS glory! What kind of a needs to be surrounded by puny,
compared to it, sycophants of it's own creation to honor and praise it?
Not much of a god if you ask me.

I agree. But then again, it's pretty easy to see from _that_ aspect of
the god myth that it was _definitely_ based on human behavior. One has
but to look at certain individuals in various upper management positions
to realize this (not all, but plenty to be sure). Shrub, for instance.
Prime example.
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 04 Feb 2005 12:34:28 AM
In article <ZW5Md.13101$qJ3.3966@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

johac wrote:

Many religious will tell us that god created us so that we could share
in his glory. HIS glory! What kind of a needs to be surrounded by puny,
compared to it, sycophants of it's own creation to honor and praise it?
Not much of a god if you ask me.


I agree. But then again, it's pretty easy to see from _that_ aspect of
the god myth that it was _definitely_ based on human behavior. One has
but to look at certain individuals in various upper management positions
to realize this (not all, but plenty to be sure). Shrub, for instance.
Prime example.

True. I think that the OT god was based on a tribal chief or warlord.
Cruel, capricious, avaricious, and extremely violent.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.



User: "samantha"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 05 Feb 2005 02:03:35 AM
Not being perfect myself, I doubt that I am qualfied to say what a
perfect being would and would not do.
- samantha
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User: "stoney"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 05 Feb 2005 02:23:30 PM
On 5 Feb 2005 00:03:35 -0800, "samantha" <sjatkins@gmail.com> wrote:

Not being perfect myself, I doubt that I am qualfied to say what a
perfect being would and would not do.

A perfect being would do nothing. No needs, no wants, no desires.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.



User: "Uncle Buck"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 01 Feb 2005 11:28:56 AM
johac wrote:

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:


Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things considered.



If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?

I don't know where people got "omnipotent", "omniscient", "perfect' or
ANYTHING else out of my post along those lines. I'm talking about YOU,
people. Us, AS WE ARE. Not as if we were gods. This isn't a
comparison to the Judeo-Christian-Islamic deity, this is supposed to be
about us as humans, if we had the power to do that sort of thing.
Sheesh...
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 02 Feb 2005 12:18:57 AM
In article <J%OLd.4959$3W3.2211@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

johac wrote:

In article <%LALd.2484$3W3.821@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:


Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things considered.



If I were an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect being, why should I?


I don't know where people got "omnipotent", "omniscient", "perfect' or
ANYTHING else out of my post along those lines. I'm talking about YOU,
people. Us, AS WE ARE. Not as if we were gods. This isn't a
comparison to the Judeo-Christian-Islamic deity, this is supposed to be
about us as humans, if we had the power to do that sort of thing.

Sheesh...

Perhaps I misinterpreted. I sounded as if you wanted us to pretend that
we were gods or something like that. As humans we don't have such
powers. If I had, I would not create a universe unless I know that it
would be free of the kinds of suffering that you mentioned in your
initial post. Since this is unlikely, my answer would be no.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
.



User: ""

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 03 Feb 2005 09:32:12 PM
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:16:23 -0500, Uncle Buck
<UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things considered.

I would be more inclined to hire the work out.
For one thing I'm far too lazy to become involved in such a thing on a
personal level and for another by letting the contractor delegate
certain chores to his sub contractors, the chain of responsibility
would be long and somewhat blurred.
I could then maintain some sort of plausible deniability regarding the
negatives, while claiming responsibility for the positives.
Sort of like the last guy did.
atheist@home#1554
.

User: "stoney"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 03 Feb 2005 10:09:59 AM
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:16:23 -0500, Uncle Buck
<UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things considered.

If the scenario includes omniscience there would be no point.
No idea, otherwise.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.

User: "Jim07D5"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 31 Jan 2005 07:47:44 PM
Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> said:

Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things considered.

Our cat, Nora, is always unhappy, because no matter how happy she is,
she knows that she could be happier, if only we could and would do
what she needs to make it so. This makes her unhappy. Have you heard a
cat snort her discontent, while residing on your lap? Unnerving, to
say the least.
So it is with God, poor soul, as we snort our discontent.
Jim07D5
.
User: "Uncle Buck"

Title: Re: AA: If you could create a cosmos, would you? 31 Jan 2005 07:53:36 PM
Jim07D5 wrote:

Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> said:


Suppose you could create a big bang of your own, something that would
end up becoming its own cosmos in its own space (and not interfering
with ours). Would you do it?

Think about your answer. Think about the scenario and all that it
entails. You'd be producing worlds upon worlds in which both suffering
and pleasure occurs, each at intensities you've probably never
experienced yourself. You'd be producing worlds whereupon life would
evolve and some on which it would become intelligent. You'd be
producing worlds with rape, starvation, romance, hatred, flowers,
sunsets, malice, murder, multiple moonrises, sex, joy, unimaginable
misery, the experience of both having children for some, burying
children for others... the whole gambit. Is existing such a beneficial
thing that you would invoke the suffering of untold quadrillions upon
quadrillions of individuals so that some may enjoy the act of being?
Whether so or no, why?

For my part, I'm still not sure. I probably would, all things considered.



Our cat, Nora, is always unhappy, because no matter how happy she is,
she knows that she could be happier, if only we could and would do
what she needs to make it so. This makes her unhappy. Have you heard a
cat snort her discontent, while residing on your lap? Unnerving, to
say the least.

So it is with God, poor soul, as we snort our discontent.

If you say so, poor soul, as you imagine us snorting discontent with
your fictitious deity. :-)
.



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