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Religions > Atheism |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" |
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24 Aug 2007 06:02:55 PM |
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AA Website |
It's *alive*!
I think. I've said that before.
Anywho.
http://www.alt-atheism.org/
There is a limited quote browser running now. Only winning quotes show at
this point, I'm not done. I've spent most of the past week trying to
consolodate all the quote files I have, all the ones Nemo has, merge them
all into a single database, and do some (but there's more to do) clean up.
Missing right now is the ability to "jump" to a particular contest (you
can only see them sequentially right now) and searching hasn't been added
yet.
But it's over here:
http://www.alt-atheism.org/quotes
I also spent the day arguing with IE. I was running three (yes, three)
browsers under Winduz 2000 (via Parallels for Mac) and two on the Mac
side and everybody played happily with the fonts EXCEPT IE.
Bleah.
I think I found a reasonable compromise. I think...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "Ed Sveum" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
24 Aug 2007 07:33:22 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:85-dnWcxw-wC_lLbnZ2dnUVZ_oqhnZ2d@giganews.com:
It's *alive*!
I think. I've said that before.
Anywho.
http://www.alt-atheism.org/
There is a limited quote browser running now. Only winning quotes show
at this point, I'm not done. I've spent most of the past week trying
to consolodate all the quote files I have, all the ones Nemo has,
merge them all into a single database, and do some (but there's more
to do) clean up.
Missing right now is the ability to "jump" to a particular contest
(you can only see them sequentially right now) and searching hasn't
been added yet.
But it's over here:
http://www.alt-atheism.org/quotes
I also spent the day arguing with IE. I was running three (yes, three)
browsers under Winduz 2000 (via Parallels for Mac) and two on the Mac
side and everybody played happily with the fonts EXCEPT IE.
Bleah.
I think I found a reasonable compromise. I think...
Looks good so far. Thanks for the work, Mark.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
25 Aug 2007 04:50:03 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:33:22 +0000, Ed Sveum wrote:
Looks good so far. Thanks for the work, Mark.
Thanks. The little menu widget for jumping around contests is up now.
Long menu though, you know this December will be the QOTM's 10th birthday?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you're
told. Religion is doing what you're told, not matter what
is right."
- Jerry Sturdivant
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| User: "Ed Sveum" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
25 Aug 2007 09:07:29 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:Gd2dnVtvPfCWOU3bnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@giganews.com:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:33:22 +0000, Ed Sveum wrote:
Looks good so far. Thanks for the work, Mark.
Thanks. The little menu widget for jumping around contests is up now.
Long menu though, you know this December will be the QOTM's 10th
birthday?
10 years. I think I've been in this group about that long.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
25 Aug 2007 12:44:42 AM |
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In article <85-dnWcxw-wC_lLbnZ2dnUVZ_oqhnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
It's *alive*!
I think. I've said that before.
Anywho.
http://www.alt-atheism.org/
There is a limited quote browser running now. Only winning quotes show at
this point, I'm not done. I've spent most of the past week trying to
consolodate all the quote files I have, all the ones Nemo has, merge them
all into a single database, and do some (but there's more to do) clean up.
Missing right now is the ability to "jump" to a particular contest (you
can only see them sequentially right now) and searching hasn't been added
yet.
But it's over here:
http://www.alt-atheism.org/quotes
I also spent the day arguing with IE. I was running three (yes, three)
browsers under Winduz 2000 (via Parallels for Mac) and two on the Mac
side and everybody played happily with the fonts EXCEPT IE.
Bleah.
I think I found a reasonable compromise. I think...
Looks good! I'll keep checking back..
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
25 Aug 2007 04:51:47 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:44:42 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <85-dnWcxw-wC_lLbnZ2dnUVZ_oqhnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
It's *alive*!
I think. I've said that before.
Anywho.
http://www.alt-atheism.org/
There is a limited quote browser running now. Only winning quotes show
at this point, I'm not done. I've spent most of the past week trying to
consolodate all the quote files I have, all the ones Nemo has, merge
them all into a single database, and do some (but there's more to do)
clean up.
Missing right now is the ability to "jump" to a particular contest (you
can only see them sequentially right now) and searching hasn't been
added yet.
But it's over here:
http://www.alt-atheism.org/quotes
I also spent the day arguing with IE. I was running three (yes, three)
browsers under Winduz 2000 (via Parallels for Mac) and two on the Mac
side and everybody played happily with the fonts EXCEPT IE.
Bleah.
I think I found a reasonable compromise. I think...
Looks good! I'll keep checking back..
Thanks. Got the contest selector widget up. Though I need to come up with
a better way to do the selecting. The menu turned out to be a mile long.
I didn't really realize until very recently that the contest is quite
this old. It started ten years ago this December and the database has
over 2200 quotes total counting winners and nominations...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
26 Aug 2007 01:13:44 AM |
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In article <Gd2dnVpvPfDuOU3bnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:44:42 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <85-dnWcxw-wC_lLbnZ2dnUVZ_oqhnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
It's *alive*!
I think. I've said that before.
Anywho.
http://www.alt-atheism.org/
There is a limited quote browser running now. Only winning quotes show
at this point, I'm not done. I've spent most of the past week trying to
consolodate all the quote files I have, all the ones Nemo has, merge
them all into a single database, and do some (but there's more to do)
clean up.
Missing right now is the ability to "jump" to a particular contest (you
can only see them sequentially right now) and searching hasn't been
added yet.
But it's over here:
http://www.alt-atheism.org/quotes
I also spent the day arguing with IE. I was running three (yes, three)
browsers under Winduz 2000 (via Parallels for Mac) and two on the Mac
side and everybody played happily with the fonts EXCEPT IE.
Bleah.
I think I found a reasonable compromise. I think...
Looks good! I'll keep checking back..
Thanks. Got the contest selector widget up. Though I need to come up with
a better way to do the selecting. The menu turned out to be a mile long.
I didn't really realize until very recently that the contest is quite
this old. It started ten years ago this December and the database has
over 2200 quotes total counting winners and nominations...
Wow! That's quite a list. I think I've been around here for 8 or 9 years
and the contest has been around as long as I've been.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
26 Aug 2007 08:27:57 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:13:44 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <Gd2dnVpvPfDuOU3bnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:44:42 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <85-dnWcxw-wC_lLbnZ2dnUVZ_oqhnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
It's *alive*!
I think. I've said that before.
Anywho.
http://www.alt-atheism.org/
There is a limited quote browser running now. Only winning quotes
show at this point, I'm not done. I've spent most of the past week
trying to consolodate all the quote files I have, all the ones Nemo
has, merge them all into a single database, and do some (but there's
more to do) clean up.
Missing right now is the ability to "jump" to a particular contest
(you can only see them sequentially right now) and searching hasn't
been added yet.
But it's over here:
http://www.alt-atheism.org/quotes
I also spent the day arguing with IE. I was running three (yes,
three) browsers under Winduz 2000 (via Parallels for Mac) and two on
the Mac side and everybody played happily with the fonts EXCEPT IE.
Bleah.
I think I found a reasonable compromise. I think...
Looks good! I'll keep checking back..
Thanks. Got the contest selector widget up. Though I need to come up
with a better way to do the selecting. The menu turned out to be a mile
long.
I didn't really realize until very recently that the contest is quite
this old. It started ten years ago this December and the database has
over 2200 quotes total counting winners and nominations...
Wow! That's quite a list. I think I've been around here for 8 or 9 years
and the contest has been around as long as I've been.
I showed up one year later myself. So in 2008, I'll have been around for
a decade.
(And, suddenly, I hate that I can talk about my life in terms of
"decades")
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
26 Aug 2007 11:20:10 PM |
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In article <sf2dnSwtgeVA4kzbnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:13:44 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <Gd2dnVpvPfDuOU3bnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:44:42 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <85-dnWcxw-wC_lLbnZ2dnUVZ_oqhnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
It's *alive*!
I think. I've said that before.
Anywho.
http://www.alt-atheism.org/
There is a limited quote browser running now. Only winning quotes
show at this point, I'm not done. I've spent most of the past week
trying to consolodate all the quote files I have, all the ones Nemo
has, merge them all into a single database, and do some (but there's
more to do) clean up.
Missing right now is the ability to "jump" to a particular contest
(you can only see them sequentially right now) and searching hasn't
been added yet.
But it's over here:
http://www.alt-atheism.org/quotes
I also spent the day arguing with IE. I was running three (yes,
three) browsers under Winduz 2000 (via Parallels for Mac) and two on
the Mac side and everybody played happily with the fonts EXCEPT IE.
Bleah.
I think I found a reasonable compromise. I think...
Looks good! I'll keep checking back..
Thanks. Got the contest selector widget up. Though I need to come up
with a better way to do the selecting. The menu turned out to be a mile
long.
I didn't really realize until very recently that the contest is quite
this old. It started ten years ago this December and the database has
over 2200 quotes total counting winners and nominations...
Wow! That's quite a list. I think I've been around here for 8 or 9 years
and the contest has been around as long as I've been.
I showed up one year later myself. So in 2008, I'll have been around for
a decade.
(And, suddenly, I hate that I can talk about my life in terms of
"decades")
Humpf! I'm in my seventh so how do you think I feel?
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
28 Aug 2007 08:51:54 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:20:10 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <sf2dnSwtgeVA4kzbnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:13:44 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <Gd2dnVpvPfDuOU3bnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:44:42 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <85-dnWcxw-wC_lLbnZ2dnUVZ_oqhnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
It's *alive*!
I think. I've said that before.
Anywho.
http://www.alt-atheism.org/
There is a limited quote browser running now. Only winning quotes
show at this point, I'm not done. I've spent most of the past
week trying to consolodate all the quote files I have, all the
ones Nemo has, merge them all into a single database, and do some
(but there's more to do) clean up.
Missing right now is the ability to "jump" to a particular
contest (you can only see them sequentially right now) and
searching hasn't been added yet.
But it's over here:
http://www.alt-atheism.org/quotes
I also spent the day arguing with IE. I was running three (yes,
three) browsers under Winduz 2000 (via Parallels for Mac) and two
on the Mac side and everybody played happily with the fonts
EXCEPT IE.
Bleah.
I think I found a reasonable compromise. I think...
Looks good! I'll keep checking back..
Thanks. Got the contest selector widget up. Though I need to come up
with a better way to do the selecting. The menu turned out to be a
mile long.
I didn't really realize until very recently that the contest is
quite this old. It started ten years ago this December and the
database has over 2200 quotes total counting winners and
nominations...
Wow! That's quite a list. I think I've been around here for 8 or 9
years and the contest has been around as long as I've been.
I showed up one year later myself. So in 2008, I'll have been around
for a decade.
(And, suddenly, I hate that I can talk about my life in terms of
"decades")
Humpf! I'm in my seventh so how do you think I feel?
I dunno. I've never felt you!
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
26 Aug 2007 01:20:51 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:27:57 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Wow! That's quite a list. I think I've been around here for 8 or 9 years
and the contest has been around as long as I've been.
I showed up one year later myself. So in 2008, I'll have been around for
a decade.
(And, suddenly, I hate that I can talk about my life in terms of
"decades")
Patience, my Son. Next come the scores.
WOA* #2278
If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel
http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
__________
*Wicked Old Atheist
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
26 Aug 2007 09:05:19 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:20:51 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:27:57 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Wow! That's quite a list. I think I've been around here for 8 or 9 years
and the contest has been around as long as I've been.
I showed up one year later myself. So in 2008, I'll have been around for
a decade.
(And, suddenly, I hate that I can talk about my life in terms of
"decades")
Patience, my Son. Next come the scores.
7 out of 10.
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
27 Aug 2007 08:20:53 AM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:35:19 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:20:51 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:27:57 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Wow! That's quite a list. I think I've been around here for 8 or 9 years
and the contest has been around as long as I've been.
I showed up one year later myself. So in 2008, I'll have been around for
a decade.
(And, suddenly, I hate that I can talk about my life in terms of
"decades")
Patience, my Son. Next come the scores.
7 out of 10.
Did you factor in the difficulty of being an Old Fart?
WOA* #2278
If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel
http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
__________
*Wicked Old Atheist
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
26 Aug 2007 12:28:09 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:20:51 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:27:57 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Wow! That's quite a list. I think I've been around here for 8 or 9 years
and the contest has been around as long as I've been.
I showed up one year later myself. So in 2008, I'll have been around for
a decade.
(And, suddenly, I hate that I can talk about my life in terms of
"decades")
Patience, my Son. Next come the scores.
Tell me about it. I've been here since just after it started. Merlyn
was here slightly before me, Mickey and Arturo are the same sort of
vintage.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
26 Aug 2007 07:45:31 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:28:09 -0400, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:20:51 -0500, Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:27:57 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
Wow! That's quite a list. I think I've been around here for 8 or 9
years and the contest has been around as long as I've been.
I showed up one year later myself. So in 2008, I'll have been around
for a decade.
(And, suddenly, I hate that I can talk about my life in terms of
"decades")
Patience, my Son. Next come the scores.
Tell me about it. I've been here since just after it started. Merlyn was
here slightly before me, Mickey and Arturo are the same sort of vintage.
Hasn't Arturo been around since the beginning? I know we have a few still
around that were here from day one...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Can you unmasterbate to someone?"
- Bill Maher
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| User: "Arturo Magidin" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
27 Aug 2007 09:33:14 AM |
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On Aug 26, 7:45 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Hasn't Arturo been around since the beginning?
It feels that way sometimes...
I know we have a few still
around that were here from day one...
Depends on what you mean by "since the beginning". Rick Gillespie was
here before the Great Renaming; I was not. I started posting around
Fall of 93, just before the NeverEnding Fall (94, when AOL started
allowing people to post). My first post was dutifully trashed by the
late, great, Torkel Franzen.
My original post seems to be (mercifully for me) not in the google
archive, but you can see Torkel's reply:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/43a2bad0d1e879b8
September 12, 1993. I like to think I learned a bit about logic,
writing, and a few other things since then. Certainly, I was careful
never to be on the receiving end of Torkel's chiding again...
Andrew Lias dates back from around the same time, though he says he
long ago reached his Finn Limit and is not reading a.a anymore. I only
scan it haphazardly these days...
Arturo Magidin
P.S. For more on "Finn's Limit", see
http://fraggmented.blogspot.com/2007/04/finns-limit.html
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
28 Aug 2007 08:51:23 AM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:33:14 -0700, Arturo Magidin wrote:
On Aug 26, 7:45 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Hasn't Arturo been around since the beginning?
It feels that way sometimes...
I know we have a few still
around that were here from day one...
Depends on what you mean by "since the beginning".
Well, as in the ng was created in '91 (if memory serves, it was '90 or
'91 but I get it backwards a lot).
Rick Gillespie was
here before the Great Renaming;
I thought that happened long before the ng existed? Yeah, the Great
Renaming was about '87. The group didn't exist then.
I was not. I started posting around Fall of 93, just before the
NeverEnding Fall (94, when AOL started allowing people to post). My
first post was dutifully trashed by the late, great, Torkel Franzen.
My original post seems to be (mercifully for me) not in the google
archive, but you can see Torkel's reply:
A *LOT* is not available in the Google archive since they went to their
New! and Improved! interface.
If you're persistent and do some rather convoluted searches, you can pry
the posts out of Google sometimes but nothing beyond the period of the
New! and Improved! Google Groups is easy to get at.
Their "date range" widget in "advanced" searching does not work for carp
anymore. According to it, alt.atheism didn't even *have* posts before
about 2005.
They quite obviously don't care anymore. The one big repository of Usenet
history has lost interest and wandered off. Apparently, "don't be evil"
does not include "don't be a neglectful twit".
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/43a2bad0d1e879b8
September 12, 1993. I like to think I learned a bit about logic,
writing, and a few other things since then. Certainly, I was careful
never to be on the receiving end of Torkel's chiding again...
Heh.
Andrew Lias dates back from around the same time, though he says he long
ago reached his Finn Limit and is not reading a.a anymore. I only scan
it haphazardly these days...
P.S. For more on "Finn's Limit", see
http://fraggmented.blogspot.com/2007/04/finns-limit.html
I'll have to remember that one. <g>
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"How come God gets credit whenever something good happens? Where was he
when her heart stopped?"
- Dr. House
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| User: "Arturo Magidin" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
28 Aug 2007 09:00:20 AM |
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On Aug 28, 8:51 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:33:14 -0700, Arturo Magidin wrote:
On Aug 26, 7:45 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Hasn't Arturo been around since the beginning?
It feels that way sometimes...
I know we have a few still
around that were here from day one...
Depends on what you mean by "since the beginning".
Well, as in the ng was created in '91 (if memory serves, it was '90 or
'91 but I get it backwards a lot).
Rick Gillespie was
here before the Great Renaming;
I thought that happened long before the ng existed? Yeah, the Great
Renaming was about '87. The group didn't exist then.
Well, I know Rick was around usenet since before the newsgroup
started; he may or may not have been around for the Great Renaming. I
believe, if memory serves, that he was definitely around for the
Crisis on Infinite Newsgroups (a summer joke "event" from the folks at
misc.arts.comics that took to crossposting adventures with follow-ups
from one newsgroup to another, a la "Crisis on Infinite Worlds" from
DC Comics)...
I was not. I started posting around Fall of 93, just before the
NeverEnding Fall (94, when AOL started allowing people to post). My
first post was dutifully trashed by the late, great, Torkel Franzen.
My original post seems to be (mercifully for me) not in the google
archive, but you can see Torkel's reply:
A *LOT* is not available in the Google archive since they went to their
New! and Improved! interface.
In all fairness: that post was made before there were archives; even
before deja.news. I don't think that post ever made it even into
deja.news, so there is no reason why it should have made it into the
Google archives in the first place. Much of what was posted from my
uclink account back then seems to never have made it into an archive,
possibly an artifact of the way Berkeley handled the news stream. (UC-
Link was mainly for undergraduates, and as such suffered from many
"Make.Money.Fast" posts and the like...)
If you're persistent and do some rather convoluted searches, you can pry
the posts out of Google sometimes but nothing beyond the period of the
New! and Improved! Google Groups is easy to get at.
I have no overwhelming desire to pry that particular post from the
dredges of Google's memory, if it is there. I'm not exactly proud of
it. (-;
P.S. For more on "Finn's Limit", see
http://fraggmented.blogspot.com/2007/04/finns-limit.html
I'll have to remember that one. <g>
Yeah, it's a good observation. On looking back, it's part of the
reason I only scan a.a these days...
Arturo Magidin
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28 Aug 2007 09:08:24 AM |
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In article <1188309620.267921.93740@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Arturo Magidin <magidin@member.ams.org> wrote:
[...]
Crisis on Infinite Newsgroups (a summer joke "event" from the folks at
misc.arts.comics
That should be rec.arts.comics.misc, of course. I believe it was
either the summer of 92, or the summer of 93, just before I entered
Usenet. (Probably the latter, since there were still jokes going
around about Amazing Boy and the Galactic Plot Device).
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"It's not denial. I'm just very selective about
what I accept as reality."
--- Calvin ("Calvin and Hobbes" by Bill Watterson)
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Arturo Magidin
magidin-at-member-ams-org
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26 Aug 2007 09:14:05 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:27:57 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Wow! That's quite a list. I think I've been around here for 8 or 9 years
and the contest has been around as long as I've been.
I showed up one year later myself. So in 2008, I'll have been around for
a decade.
(And, suddenly, I hate that I can talk about my life in terms of
"decades")
What took you so long?
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26 Aug 2007 09:49:44 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:14:05 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:27:57 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Wow! That's quite a list. I think I've been around here for 8 or 9 years
and the contest has been around as long as I've been.
I showed up one year later myself. So in 2008, I'll have been around for
a decade.
(And, suddenly, I hate that I can talk about my life in terms of
"decades")
What took you so long?
Speaking of which, which I'm not, (mainly because decades are scary
unless we're talking a life span of at least centuries...) you might
like to try another aa project "I have been working on for quite some
time...." www.city-of-dis.com/s_viewbody2.asp
This will default to a page that gives a message body for aa. But you
should be able to find a great deal more from there!
Might be worth a look....! And shoudl be amusing because I'll be
workign on the site for the next few hours so you can see corrections
live (or what passes for it).
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26 Aug 2007 10:11:17 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:49:44 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:14:05 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:27:57 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Wow! That's quite a list. I think I've been around here for 8 or 9 years
and the contest has been around as long as I've been.
I showed up one year later myself. So in 2008, I'll have been around for
a decade.
(And, suddenly, I hate that I can talk about my life in terms of
"decades")
What took you so long?
Speaking of which, which I'm not, (mainly because decades are scary
unless we're talking a life span of at least centuries...) you might
like to try another aa project "I have been working on for quite some
time...." www.city-of-dis.com/s_viewbody2.asp
Heck, I've been talking about my life in decades for decades now.
This will default to a page that gives a message body for aa. But you
should be able to find a great deal more from there!
Might be worth a look....! And shoudl be amusing because I'll be
workign on the site for the next few hours so you can see corrections
live (or what passes for it).
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26 Aug 2007 11:06:32 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:11:17 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:49:44 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:14:05 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:27:57 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Wow! That's quite a list. I think I've been around here for 8 or 9 years
and the contest has been around as long as I've been.
I showed up one year later myself. So in 2008, I'll have been around for
a decade.
(And, suddenly, I hate that I can talk about my life in terms of
"decades")
What took you so long?
Speaking of which, which I'm not, (mainly because decades are scary
unless we're talking a life span of at least centuries...) you might
like to try another aa project "I have been working on for quite some
time...." www.city-of-dis.com/s_viewbody2.asp
Heck, I've been talking about my life in decades for decades now.
Ha! My middle name is "Longinus".
This will default to a page that gives a message body for aa. But you
should be able to find a great deal more from there!
Might be worth a look....! And shoudl be amusing because I'll be
working on the site for the next few hours so you can see corrections
live (or what passes for it).
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Aug 2007 10:11:24 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:14:05 -0400, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:27:57 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
Wow! That's quite a list. I think I've been around here for 8 or 9
years and the contest has been around as long as I've been.
I showed up one year later myself. So in 2008, I'll have been around for
a decade.
(And, suddenly, I hate that I can talk about my life in terms of
"decades")
What took you so long?
<grabs rubber chicken>
THUUUUWWWWWHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKK!
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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25 Aug 2007 09:40:53 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:51:47 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Thanks. Got the contest selector widget up. Though I need to come up with
a better way to do the selecting. The menu turned out to be a mile long.
A combo box isn't that bad, but you could always split into two - year
and month. (Populate month after year is chosen.)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Aug 2007 08:26:15 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:40:53 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:51:47 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
Thanks. Got the contest selector widget up. Though I need to come up
with a better way to do the selecting. The menu turned out to be a mile
long.
A combo box isn't that bad, but you could always split into two - year
and month. (Populate month after year is chosen.)
I tried that last time and ended up getting into some really weird loops.
And I don't know Rails well enough yet to know if what I want to do is
possible or I was just going about the wrong way. Googled the crap out of
it too and couldn't find anybody doing what I was attempting, which I
find odd.
I was trying to use AJAX to get away from having a button to click. You'd
make your selections and, zap, the quotes would appear. Which worked fine
until I tried to also have one to watch the year selector so when you
chose a year, it'd make a call to update the month selector.
Insanity ensued. <g>
Decided to revisit it when I know the framework better. Though, actually,
the biggest issue is I don't know Javascript all that well. Rails
generates all this stuff for you but I can't always tell if I got what I
asked for. <g>
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"How come God gets credit whenever something good happens? Where was he
when her heart stopped?"
- Dr. House
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
26 Aug 2007 07:41:23 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:26:15 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
I was trying to use AJAX to get away from having a button to click. You'd
make your selections and, zap, the quotes would appear. Which worked fine
until I tried to also have one to watch the year selector so when you
chose a year, it'd make a call to update the month selector.
Insanity ensued. <g>
You CANNOT have two controls each updating the other one. There's no
CPU made yet that's powerful to reach infinity and come back. :)
Decided to revisit it when I know the framework better. Though, actually,
the biggest issue is I don't know Javascript all that well. Rails
generates all this stuff for you but I can't always tell if I got what I
asked for. <g>
The best language to write anything in, of course, is the one for the
purpose that you know best. I've done that sort of thing in ASP with
vbscript, but I'm not all that good at js any more. What you don't
use, you lose.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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26 Aug 2007 09:04:37 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:41:23 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:26:15 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
I was trying to use AJAX to get away from having a button to click. You'd
make your selections and, zap, the quotes would appear. Which worked fine
until I tried to also have one to watch the year selector so when you
chose a year, it'd make a call to update the month selector.
Insanity ensued. <g>
You CANNOT have two controls each updating the other one. There's no
CPU made yet that's powerful to reach infinity and come back. :)
You can if you set a semophore denoting wether the change to a
control (and its subsequent events) were made by the user, or by the
code in another control, and only trigger the upate to the other
control if it were done by a user.
Its an ancient trick.
Decided to revisit it when I know the framework better. Though, actually,
the biggest issue is I don't know Javascript all that well. Rails
generates all this stuff for you but I can't always tell if I got what I
asked for. <g>
The best language to write anything in, of course, is the one for the
purpose that you know best. I've done that sort of thing in ASP with
vbscript, but I'm not all that good at js any more. What you don't
use, you lose.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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28 Aug 2007 08:28:55 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:41:23 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:26:15 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
I was trying to use AJAX to get away from having a button to click.
You'd make your selections and, zap, the quotes would appear. Which
worked fine until I tried to also have one to watch the year selector so
when you chose a year, it'd make a call to update the month selector.
Insanity ensued. <g>
You CANNOT have two controls each updating the other one. There's no
CPU made yet that's powerful to reach infinity and come back. :)
They weren't *quite* updating each other. The entire form was being
watched by an observer while the year selector was being watched by
another.
I didn't--and still don't--see why it couldn't tell the difference
between its own actions and user actions but apparently it can't. But the
code was *supposed* to be aware when the change was because of its own
actions and ignore that.
But I was floundering by that point and it turned into a heap of
spaghetti and fell apart. I'll look at it again as I understand all these
interactions better. Big problem being I'm not too familiar with the
resulting Javascript/AJAX/whatever the kids are calling it this week
being spit out by Rails. Ruby and Rails just aren't that hard. I'm sure
there are tons of subtleties I'm yet to pick up on but the basics are
pretty easy. JS... I dunno.
I've always had something of a hostility toward Duh Web and never really
picked up on the finer weirdities of it. WWW strikes me as a really great
idea gone horribly wrong. Mostly because when businesses decided to
invade, they found the protocols didn't do what *they* wanted so they
beat the crap out of them to make them... sorta... fit. Never occurred to
those idiots that if it didn't do what they wanted or needed, they needed
to look *elsewhere*. Oh no, marketeers always know what's right.
Decided to revisit it when I know the framework better. Though,
actually, the biggest issue is I don't know Javascript all that well.
Rails generates all this stuff for you but I can't always tell if I got
what I asked for. <g>
The best language to write anything in, of course, is the one for the
purpose that you know best.
Well, from what I'm seeing (as I bumble around like a bull in a china
closet), Ruby and Rails are very, very well suited for this.
And I knew it would be like this. This is what I always do. Jump in head
first and wreck everything. Code goes flying every which way and
everything breaks. It's my own weird learning process. <g>
Actually, it's a homemade "total immersion" approach. Didn't occur to me
until years later that it's the way I tend to approach anything even
resembling a language. But total immersion works. And at least if say
something "dirty" to the computer, it's forgiving. <G>
I've done that sort of thing in ASP with
vbscript, but I'm not all that good at js any more. What you don't use,
you lose.
You know I don't buy the "lose" part. I think you can get rusty but if I
were doing any hiring, I'd take the experienced programmer who hadn't
seen a language or framework or whatever for "oh years now" over the kid
who took half a dozen courses in a single language.
Business--the morons--don't get that a generalist who knows *programming*
can pick up (or pick *back* up) a language fast. Knowing X language is
not knowing programming. Programming itself is more abstract. Languages
are methods of expression.
Like human languages. If you know *what* you want to say, you can find
out *how* to say it. If you're totally, die hard monolingual, you may not
even be able to conceptualize that the "what" is separate from the "how".
I dunno. We are not a bright people. We approach languages--both human
and computer--with a bone headed monolingual attitude. For centuries--and
still so in other countries--being adept in multiple languages was a sign
of intelligence and scholarship. We act like it's a disorder.
I was seriously amused during the Y2K thing when an industry with an
attitude of "don't trust anybody over 15" had to go out in the graveyards
and dig up Cobol programmers. <g>
Which reminds me, Bob did the cryo... whatever it's called, he's a
popsicle in Arizona now... anyway, he wasn't some wide eyed nut who
believed it was a sure thing by any means. His comment was always that if
it didn't work, he'd still be dead. He had a point there. The worst
outcome was after he was dead, he'd stay dead.
He used to joke that his greatest fear was it would work and when they
"woke" him in the Far Flung Future, the first question would be:
"Do you know any Cobol?"
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a
way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna
live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else
pours dirt in their holes.
"Climb out of your holes people!"
- Dr. House, on faith
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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28 Aug 2007 10:07:52 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:28:55 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:41:23 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
I didn't--and still don't--see why it couldn't tell the difference
between its own actions and user actions but apparently it can't. But the
code was *supposed* to be aware when the change was because of its own
actions and ignore that.
As Michael said, you can use flags to fix that. It's not what they
meant when they coined 'elegant', but it works.
I've always had something of a hostility toward Duh Web and never really
picked up on the finer weirdities of it. WWW strikes me as a really great
idea gone horribly wrong. Mostly because when businesses decided to
invade, they found the protocols didn't do what *they* wanted so they
beat the crap out of them to make them... sorta... fit. Never occurred to
those idiots that if it didn't do what they wanted or needed, they needed
to look *elsewhere*.
I never found that web stuff couldn't do what I wanted but, then, I
never stuck to some web page designer that allows an artist to create
code for a full page without knowing how to spell java. I do a fair
amount of web stuff in html in Notepad - it's fast, small and, if I
just have to make a small tweak, it's all I need. Dreamweaver for
design but, if I have to fix the company's site (it's a mess of
encrypted junk), I may look into something more modern than html.
Oh no, marketeers always know what's right.
You've seen the swing designed by marketing, haven't you?
And I knew it would be like this. This is what I always do. Jump in head
first and wreck everything. Code goes flying every which way and
everything breaks. It's my own weird learning process. <g>
Actually, it's a homemade "total immersion" approach. Didn't occur to me
until years later that it's the way I tend to approach anything even
resembling a language. But total immersion works. And at least if say
something "dirty" to the computer, it's forgiving. <G>
I know it works for human languages. Learn or starve.
I've done that sort of thing in ASP with
vbscript, but I'm not all that good at js any more. What you don't use,
you lose.
You know I don't buy the "lose" part. I think you can get rusty but if I
were doing any hiring, I'd take the experienced programmer who hadn't
seen a language or framework or whatever for "oh years now" over the kid
who took half a dozen courses in a single language.
My current job. The kid I replaced (I took the job as a favor to the
president of the company) had a CS degree. It took the first 18
months to clean up his code. I'm still learning (a euphemism for "I'm
still alive"), but "If Not (rs.EOF = False) Then"? And that's an
example of his BETTER coding efforts. 3,000 lines of this kind of
stuff in one module.
Business--the morons--don't get that a generalist who knows *programming*
can pick up (or pick *back* up) a language fast. Knowing X language is
not knowing programming. Programming itself is more abstract. Languages
are methods of expression.
I hang out in vbforums - because the current shop is 100% vb/SQL. One
of the things I should make a macro for is along the lines of (when
the "what language should I learn" question comes up - about once a
week) "Learn programming. Then you can pick up almost any language."
I say it all the time. (Wirth's "Algorithms ..." is a good start for
learning programming.)
They want to have a running app 15 minutes after installing VB, never
having seen source before. Same thing with bound controls - drag a
few controls onto a form and you're a database programmer. A Join?
Wazzat?
Like human languages. If you know *what* you want to say, you can find
out *how* to say it. If you're totally, die hard monolingual, you may not
even be able to conceptualize that the "what" is separate from the "how".
Same thing I say. Shakespeare in Urdu would be great literature - me
in English would be the Great American Failed Novel. And I'm fluent
in English.
I dunno. We are not a bright people. We approach languages--both human
and computer--with a bone headed monolingual attitude. For centuries--and
still so in other countries--being adept in multiple languages was a sign
of intelligence and scholarship. We act like it's a disorder.
I landed in Luxemburg in 1978. Not only did the news kiosk owner
speak at least 3 languages (that I heard) fluently - English, French
and German - and could make change in just about any currency in his
head - but his TEN YEAR OLD son, working alongside him, also could.
And most of the people working in the coffee shop in the city
understood my English, even though, to my ear, they all spoke French.
I was seriously amused during the Y2K thing when an industry with an
attitude of "don't trust anybody over 15" had to go out in the graveyards
and dig up Cobol programmers. <g>
Guy in the next cube - our "legacy" programmer. They had to buy a
Cobol compiler for him, because that's what he's best in, and the work
he does doesn't depend on the language.
Which reminds me, Bob did the cryo... whatever it's called, he's a
popsicle in Arizona now... anyway, he wasn't some wide eyed nut who
believed it was a sure thing by any means. His comment was always that if
it didn't work, he'd still be dead. He had a point there. The worst
outcome was after he was dead, he'd stay dead.
Can't get much worse than that. If you're still dead when the sun
expands it's not going to bother you all that much. Not that I
wouldn't mind a few thousand healthy years, but death holds no fears -
it's dying that can be bad.
He used to joke that his greatest fear was it would work and when they
"woke" him in the Far Flung Future, the first question would be:
"Do you know any Cobol?"
I think my first question would sound something like "bblllhrrrrrrr?"
It would take a while to get the mouth back in gear - forget about the
brain. Then I'd find out that Microsoft was coming out with dot net
200.5.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: AA Website |
25 Aug 2007 05:50:39 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:02:55 -0500 there was an Ancient "Mark K.
Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
It's *alive*!
I think. I've said that before.
Anywho.
http://www.alt-atheism.org/
There is a limited quote browser running now. Only winning quotes show at
this point, I'm not done. I've spent most of the past week trying to
consolodate all the quote files I have, all the ones Nemo has, merge them
all into a single database, and do some (but there's more to do) clean up.
Missing right now is the ability to "jump" to a particular contest (you
can only see them sequentially right now) and searching hasn't been added
yet.
But it's over here:
http://www.alt-atheism.org/quotes
I also spent the day arguing with IE. I was running three (yes, three)
browsers under Winduz 2000 (via Parallels for Mac) and two on the Mac
side and everybody played happily with the fonts EXCEPT IE.
Bleah.
I think I found a reasonable compromise. I think...
Looks good.
I know I volunteered for the FAQ Restoration Project.. is anyone
coordinating that? Or have I just volunteered again?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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