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User: "L. Raymond"
Date: 09 Mar 2007 03:38:41 AM
Object: Aaaauuuuggghhhh!
This is just venting. Here is the body of a message I am responding to
right now in another forum:
I believe in 6 days of creation, Adam and Eve being tricked by Satan,
thrown out of Eden, into a land cursed by God ¡V Gen 3:17. There was no
rain from creation until Noah. The water that God stored under the earth
and above the clouds covered the earth in the flood. Before that the
water protected us from the harmful rays of the sun, and along with a
better diet, more compressed atmosphere, higher percentage of oxygen,
etc. allowed for longer lives. You¡¦ve heard of a hyberbaric chamber, its
healing and rejuvenating properties? Think how cool it would be to live
in one all day, every day that protected you from the damaging effects
of the sun¡¦s rays! You might live, I don¡¦t know, hundreds of years! And
with no weather, no storms, earthquakes, hurricane Katrinas, to worry
about. And with no skin damage, no wrinkles! Before the flood, there was
no eating of animals ¡V Gen 9. After, they had to eat animals, since
there was no gardens prepared yet. Before, everyone lived on a diet of
fruits, vegetables, seeds, etc. There was no cholesterol from fat in
our diets, then. Animals did not live in fear of us. Think how much
easier it would have been to build a pyramid with dinosaurs helping.
Before the flood, the earth was mostly land; now, with the extra water,
and more is even now still coming from under the ground, the earth is
70% water. Reptiles continue to grow as long as they live. Think how big
a Shark, or a Crocodile, or a lizard could grow if it lived for hundreds
of years! You want dinosaurs, there they are. They were animals that
were created on day 6, just like every other animal. Noah¡¦s boat is
described in detail in Gen 6. It is perfectly proportioned to ride out a
storm; similar dimensions to some of the large liners that are built
today. Noah didn¡¦t have to have every specie of animal in his ark that
exist today. There are about 400 varieties of dog today, but not all of
them existed 4400 years ago. That is an example of species variation, in
a like manner of how all the races of the earth come from the only 8
people that lived after the flood waters receded. Look at population
charts. The rate and density of the population of the earth dwindles
back to zero around, oh, say 4400 years ago. If man had been procreating
for millions of years, there would now be about 300 people per square
inch. There's a factory, I think in Arkansas, that uses turkey parts to
make fuel oil. Science now knows how to process this in days/weeks, not
millions of years. Many of the oil deposits that we use to fuel our cars
come from the plants, animals, and humans that were killed in the flood.
Think about that the next time you fill up your car! Human remains
subsume the fossil record. Artifacts are found inside chunks of coal.
When trees become waterlogged, they fall to the bottom vertically.
Petrified trees are found in the fossil record vertically spanning
"millions of years" of sediment. The earth is just not that old.
There¡¦s more, and I could go on and on.
***********************
I have never in my life seen such a set of bizarre statements! In one
post he asserts evolution is fantasy, then here he says all dogs came
from the few on Noah's Ark? The Earth was a hyperbaric chamber? The
Egyptians used DINOSAURS to build the pyramids?!
OK, I'm a little calmer now...
--
L. Raymond
.

User: "johac"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 09 Mar 2007 06:28:59 PM
In article <uqsmzlot2gd5$.x07nttzszl7a.dlg@40tude.net>,
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

This is just venting. Here is the body of a message I am responding to
right now in another forum:

I believe in 6 days of creation, Adam and Eve being tricked by Satan,
thrown out of Eden, into a land cursed by God ¡V Gen 3:17. There was no
rain from creation until Noah. The water that God stored under the earth
and above the clouds covered the earth in the flood. Before that the
water protected us from the harmful rays of the sun, and along with a
better diet, more compressed atmosphere, higher percentage of oxygen,
etc. allowed for longer lives. You¡¦ve heard of a hyberbaric chamber, its
healing and rejuvenating properties? Think how cool it would be to live
in one all day, every day that protected you from the damaging effects
of the sun¡¦s rays! You might live, I don¡¦t know, hundreds of years! And
with no weather, no storms, earthquakes, hurricane Katrinas, to worry
about. And with no skin damage, no wrinkles! Before the flood, there was
no eating of animals ¡V Gen 9. After, they had to eat animals, since
there was no gardens prepared yet. Before, everyone lived on a diet of
fruits, vegetables, seeds, etc. There was no cholesterol from fat in
our diets, then. Animals did not live in fear of us. Think how much
easier it would have been to build a pyramid with dinosaurs helping.
Before the flood, the earth was mostly land; now, with the extra water,
and more is even now still coming from under the ground, the earth is
70% water. Reptiles continue to grow as long as they live. Think how big
a Shark, or a Crocodile, or a lizard could grow if it lived for hundreds
of years! You want dinosaurs, there they are. They were animals that
were created on day 6, just like every other animal. Noah¡¦s boat is
described in detail in Gen 6. It is perfectly proportioned to ride out a
storm; similar dimensions to some of the large liners that are built
today. Noah didn¡¦t have to have every specie of animal in his ark that
exist today. There are about 400 varieties of dog today, but not all of
them existed 4400 years ago. That is an example of species variation, in
a like manner of how all the races of the earth come from the only 8
people that lived after the flood waters receded. Look at population
charts. The rate and density of the population of the earth dwindles
back to zero around, oh, say 4400 years ago. If man had been procreating
for millions of years, there would now be about 300 people per square
inch. There's a factory, I think in Arkansas, that uses turkey parts to
make fuel oil. Science now knows how to process this in days/weeks, not
millions of years. Many of the oil deposits that we use to fuel our cars
come from the plants, animals, and humans that were killed in the flood.
Think about that the next time you fill up your car! Human remains
subsume the fossil record. Artifacts are found inside chunks of coal.
When trees become waterlogged, they fall to the bottom vertically.
Petrified trees are found in the fossil record vertically spanning
"millions of years" of sediment. The earth is just not that old.
There¡¦s more, and I could go on and on.

***********************

I have never in my life seen such a set of bizarre statements! In one
post he asserts evolution is fantasy, then here he says all dogs came
from the few on Noah's Ark? The Earth was a hyperbaric chamber?

What nonsense!

The
Egyptians used DINOSAURS to build the pyramids?!

Do you mean it wasn't the alien UFO people?


OK, I'm a little calmer now...

I'm LOL.
--
John #1782
.

User: "chibiabos"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 09 Mar 2007 08:49:21 AM
In article <uqsmzlot2gd5$.x07nttzszl7a.dlg@40tude.net>, L. Raymond
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

This is just venting. Here is the body of a message I am responding to
right now in another forum:

[snip idiocy]

There's more, and I could go on and on.

Forget it. The only thing that's going to change this person's mind is
a 2x4 upside the head.
-chib
--
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
.

User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 09 Mar 2007 08:52:35 AM
In article <uqsmzlot2gd5$.x07nttzszl7a.dlg@40tude.net>,=20
badaddress@mylinuxisp.com says...

This is just venting. Here is the body of a message I am responding to
right now in another forum:

I'll just respond to some of it below. For the record, it sounds like=20
this guy is kent hovind, writing from jail. =20

=20
I believe in 6 days of creation, Adam and Eve being tricked by Satan,
thrown out of Eden, into a land cursed by God=20

Why didn't god just curse eden?

=A1V Gen 3:17. There was no
rain from creation until Noah.=20

Ever heard of the hydrologic cycle.

Before that the
water protected us from the harmful rays of the sun,

Why did god design the suns rays to be harmful to the lifeforms that he=20
designed. If the omnipotent being couldn't help but have a giant ball of=
=20
fusion radiation next to the earth, perhaps he could have simply made=20
humans more resistant to the effects. =20

and along with a
better diet, more compressed atmosphere, higher percentage of oxygen,

Why not just make humans better able to digest their food. Give us the=20
ability to digest cellulose, for example. The same goes for atmosphere. =
=20
Why not just make our lungs, blood and circulatory system more efficient. =
=20

etc. allowed for longer lives. You=A1=3D3Fve heard of a hyberbaric chambe=

r, its

healing and rejuvenating properties? Think how cool it would be to live
in one all day

Think how cool it would be for the "intelligent designer" to have done a=20
competent job in the first place, not designing teeth that could easily=20
rot and abscess, not designing appendices which can burst and kill=20
people, not designing a weak lumbar spine, or eyes which require 50% of=20
the population to have corrected with glasses, contacts, lasik, etc. =20

, every day that protected you from the damaging effects
of the sun=A1=3D3Fs rays! You might live, I don=A1=3D3Ft know, hundreds o=

f years! And

with no weather, no storms, earthquakes, hurricane Katrinas, to worry
about. And with no skin damage, no wrinkles! Before the flood, there was
no eating of animals

So were we able to digest cellulose then? We can only digest small=20
amounts of plant matter, such as their sugars and starches. =20
=A1V Gen 9. After, they had to eat animals, since

there was no gardens prepared yet.=20

Then what the ***** were they eating from before and what were the animals=
=20
eating from?

Before, everyone lived on a diet of
fruits, vegetables, seeds, etc.=20

There are documented cases of people starving to death trying to survive=20
purely on fruits and vegetables. =20

There was no cholesterol from fat in
our diets, then.=20

Why did god design our bodies so that some types of cholesterol would be=20
a problem?

Animals did not live in fear of us.

That must have been before horny christers. =20

Think how much
easier it would have been to build a pyramid with dinosaurs helping.

If this guy isn't Kent Hovind or Ken Hamm then it's somebody who is=20
familiar with their "work".

Before the flood, the earth was mostly land; now, with the extra water,
and more is even now still coming from under the ground, the earth is
70% water. Reptiles continue to grow as long as they live. Think how big
a Shark, or a Crocodile, or a lizard could grow if it lived for hundreds
of years! You want dinosaurs, there they are.

A shark is a dinosaur?

They were animals that
were created on day 6, just like every other animal.

Except that fish and birds were created on day 5, as per Gn 1:20

Noah=A1=3D3Fs boat is
described in detail in Gen 6. It is perfectly proportioned to ride out a
storm;

Only if by "ride out a storm" you mean, break apart and sink to the=20
bottom of the ocean ala Titanic. =20

similar dimensions to some of the large liners that are built
today.=20

And I suppose you think they build those ships of wood?

Noah didn=A1=3D3Ft have to have every specie of animal in his ark that
exist today. There are about 400 varieties of dog today, but not all of
them existed 4400 years ago. That is an example of species variation, in
a like manner of how all the races of the earth come from the only 8
people that lived after the flood waters receded.

So white, black, yellow, red and various other racial features all arose=20
within the space of a few thousand years? =20

Look at population
charts. The rate and density of the population of the earth dwindles
back to zero around, oh, say 4400 years ago.

A couple million look like "zero" on a population graph that is now in=20
the billions. But nobody doubts that carrying capacity was far lower=20
before the advent of agriculture.=20

If man had been procreating
for millions of years, there would now be about 300 people per square
inch.

Only if all those people didn't have to eat and had modern medical care,=20
among other things. Every hear of a steady state? Why assume that that=20
population must always increase? =20

There's a factory, I think in Arkansas, that uses turkey parts to
make fuel oil. Science now knows how to process this in days/weeks, not
millions of years.

Gosh, so god had turkey factories turning out petroleum back in the day?

Many of the oil deposits that we use to fuel our cars
come from the plants, animals, and humans that were killed in the flood.

Sure is a lot turkeys to have to kill in one place.

Think about that the next time you fill up your car! Human remains
subsume the fossil record. Artifacts are found inside chunks of coal.

You mean like pick axes from miners. What a surprise.

When trees become waterlogged, they fall to the bottom vertically.
Petrified trees are found in the fossil record vertically spanning
"millions of years" of sediment.=20

Even if that were true, it would not prove the sediment was not millions=20
of years old. =20

The earth is just not that old.

So the devil put radio-isotopic dating here to "fool" us?

I have never in my life seen such a set of bizarre statements!=20

It's just typical YEC (young earth creationism). The same stuff can be=20
found in most books by Henry Morris, Duane Gish, Ken Hamm, etc. =20
--=20
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the=20
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be=20
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,=20
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to=20
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
.
User: "L. Raymond"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 09 Mar 2007 01:45:26 PM
quibbler wrote:

badaddress@mylinuxisp.com says...


I have never in my life seen such a set of bizarre statements!


It's just typical YEC (young earth creationism). The same stuff can be
found in most books by Henry Morris, Duane Gish, Ken Hamm, etc.

I had just never seen it all laid out like that before. After I quit
laughing I ran a few searches on key ideas and decided he does get
almost all his info from Hovind.
With this guy I'm stying away from point by point refutations since he
can retreat into saying, "Well we just don't understand god," so I'm
circling around and knocking the props out one by one. Last night he
actually claimed laetrile was a proven cancer beater, while I thought
that claim had faded away in the 80's. I'm waiting to see his response
to the National Cancer Institute's clinical trials to which I directed
him.
--
L. Raymond
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 09 Mar 2007 06:36:08 PM
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:45:26 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
- Refer: <10phrfimk5xdy.1vebxzglvfksp.dlg@40tude.net>

quibbler wrote:

badaddress@mylinuxisp.com says...


I have never in my life seen such a set of bizarre statements!


It's just typical YEC (young earth creationism). The same stuff can be
found in most books by Henry Morris, Duane Gish, Ken Hamm, etc.


I had just never seen it all laid out like that before. After I quit
laughing I ran a few searches on key ideas and decided he does get
almost all his info from Hovind.

With this guy I'm stying away from point by point refutations since he
can retreat into saying, "Well we just don't understand god," so I'm
circling around and knocking the props out one by one. Last night he
actually claimed laetrile was a proven cancer beater, while I thought
that claim had faded away in the 80's. I'm waiting to see his response
to the National Cancer Institute's clinical trials to which I directed
him.

Falsified by Satan.
--
.



User: "Pangur Ban"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 09 Mar 2007 06:29:34 AM
L. Raymond explained on 3/9/2007 :

This is just venting. Here is the body of a message I am responding to
right now in another forum:
I believe in 6 days of creation, Adam and Eve being tricked by Satan,
thrown out of Eden, into a land cursed by God ¡V Gen 3:17. There was no
rain from creation until Noah. The water that God stored under the earth
and above the clouds covered the earth in the flood. Before that the
water protected us from the harmful rays of the sun, and along with a
better diet, more compressed atmosphere, higher percentage of oxygen,
etc. allowed for longer lives. You¡¦ve heard of a hyberbaric chamber, its
healing and rejuvenating properties? Think how cool it would be to live
in one all day, every day that protected you from the damaging effects
of the sun¡¦s rays! You might live, I don¡¦t know, hundreds of years! And
with no weather, no storms, earthquakes, hurricane Katrinas, to worry
about. And with no skin damage, no wrinkles! Before the flood, there was
no eating of animals ¡V Gen 9. After, they had to eat animals, since
there was no gardens prepared yet. Before, everyone lived on a diet of
fruits, vegetables, seeds, etc. There was no cholesterol from fat in
our diets, then. Animals did not live in fear of us. Think how much
easier it would have been to build a pyramid with dinosaurs helping.
Before the flood, the earth was mostly land; now, with the extra water,
and more is even now still coming from under the ground, the earth is
70% water. Reptiles continue to grow as long as they live. Think how big
a Shark, or a Crocodile, or a lizard could grow if it lived for hundreds
of years! You want dinosaurs, there they are. They were animals that
were created on day 6, just like every other animal. Noah¡¦s boat is
described in detail in Gen 6. It is perfectly proportioned to ride out a
storm; similar dimensions to some of the large liners that are built
today. Noah didn¡¦t have to have every specie of animal in his ark that
exist today. There are about 400 varieties of dog today, but not all of
them existed 4400 years ago. That is an example of species variation, in
a like manner of how all the races of the earth come from the only 8
people that lived after the flood waters receded. Look at population
charts. The rate and density of the population of the earth dwindles
back to zero around, oh, say 4400 years ago. If man had been procreating
for millions of years, there would now be about 300 people per square
inch. There's a factory, I think in Arkansas, that uses turkey parts to
make fuel oil. Science now knows how to process this in days/weeks, not
millions of years. Many of the oil deposits that we use to fuel our cars
come from the plants, animals, and humans that were killed in the flood.
Think about that the next time you fill up your car! Human remains
subsume the fossil record. Artifacts are found inside chunks of coal.
When trees become waterlogged, they fall to the bottom vertically.
Petrified trees are found in the fossil record vertically spanning
"millions of years" of sediment. The earth is just not that old.
There¡¦s more, and I could go on and on.
***********************
I have never in my life seen such a set of bizarre statements! In one
post he asserts evolution is fantasy, then here he says all dogs came
from the few on Noah's Ark? The Earth was a hyperbaric chamber? The
Egyptians used DINOSAURS to build the pyramids?!
OK, I'm a little calmer now...

Good. Stay calm. Just remind yourself that SOMEONE has to be on the
far end of the Stupidity Curve..... and that poster just fell off the
end into the Hopeless category.
--
Pangur Ban
"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways ......totally
worn-out..... shouting, 'Yeehaw.....what a ride!'"
.

User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 09 Mar 2007 11:06:52 AM
L. Raymond:

I have never in my life seen such a set of bizarre statements!

Welcome to the whimsical world of tax fraudster hoover's, err, hovind's
"seminars". *eg*
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
.

User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 09 Mar 2007 04:16:11 AM
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 03:38:41 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
- Refer: <uqsmzlot2gd5$.x07nttzszl7a.dlg@40tude.net>

This is just venting. Here is the body of a message I am responding to
right now in another forum:

I believe in 6 days of creation, Adam and Eve being tricked by Satan,
thrown out of Eden, into a land cursed by God ?V Gen 3:17. There was no
rain from creation until Noah. The water that God stored under the earth
and above the clouds covered the earth in the flood. Before that the
water protected us from the harmful rays of the sun, and along with a
better diet, more compressed atmosphere, higher percentage of oxygen,
etc. allowed for longer lives. You??ve heard of a hyberbaric chamber, its
healing and rejuvenating properties? Think how cool it would be to live
in one all day, every day that protected you from the damaging effects
of the sun??s rays! You might live, I don??t know, hundreds of years! And
with no weather, no storms, earthquakes, hurricane Katrinas, to worry
about. And with no skin damage, no wrinkles! Before the flood, there was
no eating of animals ?V Gen 9. After, they had to eat animals, since
there was no gardens prepared yet. Before, everyone lived on a diet of
fruits, vegetables, seeds, etc. There was no cholesterol from fat in
our diets, then. Animals did not live in fear of us. Think how much
easier it would have been to build a pyramid with dinosaurs helping.
Before the flood, the earth was mostly land; now, with the extra water,
and more is even now still coming from under the ground, the earth is
70% water. Reptiles continue to grow as long as they live. Think how big
a Shark, or a Crocodile, or a lizard could grow if it lived for hundreds
of years! You want dinosaurs, there they are. They were animals that
were created on day 6, just like every other animal. Noah??s boat is
described in detail in Gen 6. It is perfectly proportioned to ride out a
storm; similar dimensions to some of the large liners that are built
today. Noah didn??t have to have every specie of animal in his ark that
exist today. There are about 400 varieties of dog today, but not all of
them existed 4400 years ago. That is an example of species variation, in
a like manner of how all the races of the earth come from the only 8
people that lived after the flood waters receded. Look at population
charts. The rate and density of the population of the earth dwindles
back to zero around, oh, say 4400 years ago. If man had been procreating
for millions of years, there would now be about 300 people per square
inch. There's a factory, I think in Arkansas, that uses turkey parts to
make fuel oil. Science now knows how to process this in days/weeks, not
millions of years. Many of the oil deposits that we use to fuel our cars
come from the plants, animals, and humans that were killed in the flood.
Think about that the next time you fill up your car! Human remains
subsume the fossil record. Artifacts are found inside chunks of coal.
When trees become waterlogged, they fall to the bottom vertically.
Petrified trees are found in the fossil record vertically spanning
"millions of years" of sediment. The earth is just not that old.
There??s more, and I could go on and on.

***********************

I have never in my life seen such a set of bizarre statements! In one
post he asserts evolution is fantasy, then here he says all dogs came
from the few on Noah's Ark? The Earth was a hyperbaric chamber? The
Egyptians used DINOSAURS to build the pyramids?!

OK, I'm a little calmer now...

He's not "having a lend" of you, is he/she/it??
It sounds like a parody of a mentally unstable illiterate 4 year old
retarded backwoods unstable cretin.
--
.
User: "L. Raymond"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 09 Mar 2007 01:29:32 PM
Michael Gray wrote:

He's not "having a lend" of you, is he/she/it??
It sounds like a parody of a mentally unstable illiterate 4 year old
retarded backwoods unstable cretin.

I'm pretty sure he's really just a standard creationist. I was trying
to get a handle on whether or not he simply took the bible as is or if
he had a favored source for his claims, and I think this post pretty
much shows he's a Hovind fan. This is the first time I'd ever seen
*all* the YEC claims laid out end to end by someone who says he believes
all of them and it really blew me away.
--
L. Raymond
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 09 Mar 2007 06:35:10 PM
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:29:32 -0600, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
- Refer: <12gwz997dndvs.70hzbfyzwrb4.dlg@40tude.net>

Michael Gray wrote:

He's not "having a lend" of you, is he/she/it??
It sounds like a parody of a mentally unstable illiterate 4 year old
retarded backwoods unstable cretin.


I'm pretty sure he's really just a standard creationist. I was trying
to get a handle on whether or not he simply took the bible as is or if
he had a favored source for his claims, and I think this post pretty
much shows he's a Hovind fan. This is the first time I'd ever seen
*all* the YEC claims laid out end to end by someone who says he believes
all of them and it really blew me away.

A solid block of distilled ignorance.
It must weigh a tonne or more, being so dense.
--
.



User: "justiz"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 09 Mar 2007 03:53:41 AM
On Mar 9, 11:38 am, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

This is just venting. Here is the body of a message I am responding to
right now in another forum:

I believe in 6 days of creation, Adam and Eve being tricked by Satan,
thrown out of Eden, into a land cursed by God - Gen 3:17. There was no
rain from creation until Noah. The water that God stored under the earth
and above the clouds covered the earth in the flood. Before that the
water protected us from the harmful rays of the sun, and along with a
better diet, more compressed atmosphere, higher percentage of oxygen,
etc. allowed for longer lives. You've heard of a hyberbaric chamber, its
healing and rejuvenating properties? Think how cool it would be to live
in one all day, every day that protected you from the damaging effects
of the sun's rays! You might live, I don't know, hundreds of years! And
with no weather, no storms, earthquakes, hurricane Katrinas, to worry
about. And with no skin damage, no wrinkles! Before the flood, there was
no eating of animals - Gen 9. After, they had to eat animals, since
there was no gardens prepared yet. Before, everyone lived on a diet of
fruits, vegetables, seeds, etc. There was no cholesterol from fat in
our diets, then. Animals did not live in fear of us. Think how much
easier it would have been to build a pyramid with dinosaurs helping.
Before the flood, the earth was mostly land; now, with the extra water,
and more is even now still coming from under the ground, the earth is
70% water. Reptiles continue to grow as long as they live. Think how big
a Shark, or a Crocodile, or a lizard could grow if it lived for hundreds
of years! You want dinosaurs, there they are. They were animals that
were created on day 6, just like every other animal. Noah's boat is
described in detail in Gen 6. It is perfectly proportioned to ride out a
storm; similar dimensions to some of the large liners that are built
today. Noah didn't have to have every specie of animal in his ark that
exist today. There are about 400 varieties of dog today, but not all of
them existed 4400 years ago. That is an example of species variation, in
a like manner of how all the races of the earth come from the only 8
people that lived after the flood waters receded. Look at population
charts. The rate and density of the population of the earth dwindles
back to zero around, oh, say 4400 years ago. If man had been procreating
for millions of years, there would now be about 300 people per square
inch. There's a factory, I think in Arkansas, that uses turkey parts to
make fuel oil. Science now knows how to process this in days/weeks, not
millions of years. Many of the oil deposits that we use to fuel our cars
come from the plants, animals, and humans that were killed in the flood.
Think about that the next time you fill up your car! Human remains
subsume the fossil record. Artifacts are found inside chunks of coal.
When trees become waterlogged, they fall to the bottom vertically.
Petrified trees are found in the fossil record vertically spanning
"millions of years" of sediment. The earth is just not that old.
There's more, and I could go on and on.

***********************

I have never in my life seen such a set of bizarre statements! In one
post he asserts evolution is fantasy, then here he says all dogs came
from the few on Noah's Ark? The Earth was a hyperbaric chamber? The
Egyptians used DINOSAURS to build the pyramids?!

OK, I'm a little calmer now...

--
L. Raymond

Was he/she posting from the Whitehouse?
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 09 Mar 2007 04:22:24 AM
On 9 Mar 2007 01:53:41 -0800, "justiz" <izstanbul@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1173434021.766638.111860@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com>

On Mar 9, 11:38 am, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

This is just venting. Here is the body of a message I am responding to
right now in another forum:

I believe in 6 days of creation, Adam and Eve being tricked by Satan,
thrown out of Eden, into a land cursed by God - Gen 3:17. There was no
rain from creation until Noah. The water that God stored under the earth
and above the clouds covered the earth in the flood. Before that the
water protected us from the harmful rays of the sun, and along with a
better diet, more compressed atmosphere, higher percentage of oxygen,
etc. allowed for longer lives. You've heard of a hyberbaric chamber, its
healing and rejuvenating properties? Think how cool it would be to live
in one all day, every day that protected you from the damaging effects
of the sun's rays! You might live, I don't know, hundreds of years! And
with no weather, no storms, earthquakes, hurricane Katrinas, to worry
about. And with no skin damage, no wrinkles! Before the flood, there was
no eating of animals - Gen 9. After, they had to eat animals, since
there was no gardens prepared yet. Before, everyone lived on a diet of
fruits, vegetables, seeds, etc. There was no cholesterol from fat in
our diets, then. Animals did not live in fear of us. Think how much
easier it would have been to build a pyramid with dinosaurs helping.
Before the flood, the earth was mostly land; now, with the extra water,
and more is even now still coming from under the ground, the earth is
70% water. Reptiles continue to grow as long as they live. Think how big
a Shark, or a Crocodile, or a lizard could grow if it lived for hundreds
of years! You want dinosaurs, there they are. They were animals that
were created on day 6, just like every other animal. Noah's boat is
described in detail in Gen 6. It is perfectly proportioned to ride out a
storm; similar dimensions to some of the large liners that are built
today. Noah didn't have to have every specie of animal in his ark that
exist today. There are about 400 varieties of dog today, but not all of
them existed 4400 years ago. That is an example of species variation, in
a like manner of how all the races of the earth come from the only 8
people that lived after the flood waters receded. Look at population
charts. The rate and density of the population of the earth dwindles
back to zero around, oh, say 4400 years ago. If man had been procreating
for millions of years, there would now be about 300 people per square
inch. There's a factory, I think in Arkansas, that uses turkey parts to
make fuel oil. Science now knows how to process this in days/weeks, not
millions of years. Many of the oil deposits that we use to fuel our cars
come from the plants, animals, and humans that were killed in the flood.
Think about that the next time you fill up your car! Human remains
subsume the fossil record. Artifacts are found inside chunks of coal.
When trees become waterlogged, they fall to the bottom vertically.
Petrified trees are found in the fossil record vertically spanning
"millions of years" of sediment. The earth is just not that old.
There's more, and I could go on and on.

***********************

I have never in my life seen such a set of bizarre statements! In one
post he asserts evolution is fantasy, then here he says all dogs came
from the few on Noah's Ark? The Earth was a hyperbaric chamber? The
Egyptians used DINOSAURS to build the pyramids?!

OK, I'm a little calmer now...

--
L. Raymond


Was he/she posting from the Whitehouse?

Change "White" to "Nut"
--
.
User: "Sara Brum"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 09 Mar 2007 08:05:24 AM
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:bad2v2h0k6ddrh61g8tpfednf3fab3olhs@4ax.com...

On 9 Mar 2007 01:53:41 -0800, "justiz" <izstanbul@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1173434021.766638.111860@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com>

On Mar 9, 11:38 am, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

This is just venting. Here is the body of a message I am responding to
right now in another forum:

I believe in 6 days of creation, Adam and Eve being tricked by Satan,
thrown out of Eden, into a land cursed by God - Gen 3:17. There was no
rain from creation until Noah. The water that God stored under the earth
and above the clouds covered the earth in the flood. Before that the
water protected us from the harmful rays of the sun, and along with a
better diet, more compressed atmosphere, higher percentage of oxygen,
etc. allowed for longer lives. You've heard of a hyberbaric chamber, its
healing and rejuvenating properties? Think how cool it would be to live
in one all day, every day that protected you from the damaging effects
of the sun's rays! You might live, I don't know, hundreds of years! And
with no weather, no storms, earthquakes, hurricane Katrinas, to worry
about. And with no skin damage, no wrinkles! Before the flood, there was
no eating of animals - Gen 9. After, they had to eat animals, since
there was no gardens prepared yet. Before, everyone lived on a diet of
fruits, vegetables, seeds, etc. There was no cholesterol from fat in
our diets, then. Animals did not live in fear of us. Think how much
easier it would have been to build a pyramid with dinosaurs helping.
Before the flood, the earth was mostly land; now, with the extra water,
and more is even now still coming from under the ground, the earth is
70% water. Reptiles continue to grow as long as they live. Think how big
a Shark, or a Crocodile, or a lizard could grow if it lived for hundreds
of years! You want dinosaurs, there they are. They were animals that
were created on day 6, just like every other animal. Noah's boat is
described in detail in Gen 6. It is perfectly proportioned to ride out a
storm; similar dimensions to some of the large liners that are built
today. Noah didn't have to have every specie of animal in his ark that
exist today. There are about 400 varieties of dog today, but not all of
them existed 4400 years ago. That is an example of species variation, in
a like manner of how all the races of the earth come from the only 8
people that lived after the flood waters receded. Look at population
charts. The rate and density of the population of the earth dwindles
back to zero around, oh, say 4400 years ago. If man had been procreating
for millions of years, there would now be about 300 people per square
inch. There's a factory, I think in Arkansas, that uses turkey parts to
make fuel oil. Science now knows how to process this in days/weeks, not
millions of years. Many of the oil deposits that we use to fuel our cars
come from the plants, animals, and humans that were killed in the flood.
Think about that the next time you fill up your car! Human remains
subsume the fossil record. Artifacts are found inside chunks of coal.
When trees become waterlogged, they fall to the bottom vertically.
Petrified trees are found in the fossil record vertically spanning
"millions of years" of sediment. The earth is just not that old.
There's more, and I could go on and on.

***********************

I have never in my life seen such a set of bizarre statements! In one
post he asserts evolution is fantasy, then here he says all dogs came
from the few on Noah's Ark? The Earth was a hyperbaric chamber? The
Egyptians used DINOSAURS to build the pyramids?!

OK, I'm a little calmer now...

--
L. Raymond


Was he/she posting from the Whitehouse?


Change "White" to "Nut"

I tried that. The result was semantically identical.
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 09 Mar 2007 10:19:10 PM
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:05:24 GMT, "Sara Brum" <right@home.here> wrote:

"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:bad2v2h0k6ddrh61g8tpfednf3fab3olhs@4ax.com...

Was he/she posting from the Whitehouse?

Change "White" to "Nut"

I tried that. The result was semantically identical.

It's habitationally identical too.
.


User: "johac"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 09 Mar 2007 06:30:22 PM
In article <bad2v2h0k6ddrh61g8tpfednf3fab3olhs@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On 9 Mar 2007 01:53:41 -0800, "justiz" <izstanbul@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1173434021.766638.111860@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com>

On Mar 9, 11:38 am, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

This is just venting. Here is the body of a message I am responding to
right now in another forum:

I believe in 6 days of creation, Adam and Eve being tricked by Satan,
thrown out of Eden, into a land cursed by God - Gen 3:17. There was no
rain from creation until Noah. The water that God stored under the earth
and above the clouds covered the earth in the flood. Before that the
water protected us from the harmful rays of the sun, and along with a
better diet, more compressed atmosphere, higher percentage of oxygen,
etc. allowed for longer lives. You've heard of a hyberbaric chamber, its
healing and rejuvenating properties? Think how cool it would be to live
in one all day, every day that protected you from the damaging effects
of the sun's rays! You might live, I don't know, hundreds of years! And
with no weather, no storms, earthquakes, hurricane Katrinas, to worry
about. And with no skin damage, no wrinkles! Before the flood, there was
no eating of animals - Gen 9. After, they had to eat animals, since
there was no gardens prepared yet. Before, everyone lived on a diet of
fruits, vegetables, seeds, etc. There was no cholesterol from fat in
our diets, then. Animals did not live in fear of us. Think how much
easier it would have been to build a pyramid with dinosaurs helping.
Before the flood, the earth was mostly land; now, with the extra water,
and more is even now still coming from under the ground, the earth is
70% water. Reptiles continue to grow as long as they live. Think how big
a Shark, or a Crocodile, or a lizard could grow if it lived for hundreds
of years! You want dinosaurs, there they are. They were animals that
were created on day 6, just like every other animal. Noah's boat is
described in detail in Gen 6. It is perfectly proportioned to ride out a
storm; similar dimensions to some of the large liners that are built
today. Noah didn't have to have every specie of animal in his ark that
exist today. There are about 400 varieties of dog today, but not all of
them existed 4400 years ago. That is an example of species variation, in
a like manner of how all the races of the earth come from the only 8
people that lived after the flood waters receded. Look at population
charts. The rate and density of the population of the earth dwindles
back to zero around, oh, say 4400 years ago. If man had been procreating
for millions of years, there would now be about 300 people per square
inch. There's a factory, I think in Arkansas, that uses turkey parts to
make fuel oil. Science now knows how to process this in days/weeks, not
millions of years. Many of the oil deposits that we use to fuel our cars
come from the plants, animals, and humans that were killed in the flood.
Think about that the next time you fill up your car! Human remains
subsume the fossil record. Artifacts are found inside chunks of coal.
When trees become waterlogged, they fall to the bottom vertically.
Petrified trees are found in the fossil record vertically spanning
"millions of years" of sediment. The earth is just not that old.
There's more, and I could go on and on.

***********************

I have never in my life seen such a set of bizarre statements! In one
post he asserts evolution is fantasy, then here he says all dogs came
from the few on Noah's Ark? The Earth was a hyperbaric chamber? The
Egyptians used DINOSAURS to build the pyramids?!

OK, I'm a little calmer now...

--
L. Raymond


Was he/she posting from the Whitehouse?


Change "White" to "Nut"

These days is there much difference?
--
John #1782
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 10 Mar 2007 12:27:16 AM
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:30:22 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-9CC259.16302209032007@news.giganews.com>

In article <bad2v2h0k6ddrh61g8tpfednf3fab3olhs@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On 9 Mar 2007 01:53:41 -0800, "justiz" <izstanbul@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1173434021.766638.111860@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com>

On Mar 9, 11:38 am, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

This is just venting. Here is the body of a message I am responding to
right now in another forum:

I believe in 6 days of creation, Adam and Eve being tricked by Satan,
thrown out of Eden, into a land cursed by God - Gen 3:17. There was no
rain from creation until Noah. The water that God stored under the earth
and above the clouds covered the earth in the flood. Before that the
water protected us from the harmful rays of the sun, and along with a
better diet, more compressed atmosphere, higher percentage of oxygen,
etc. allowed for longer lives. You've heard of a hyberbaric chamber, its
healing and rejuvenating properties? Think how cool it would be to live
in one all day, every day that protected you from the damaging effects
of the sun's rays! You might live, I don't know, hundreds of years! And
with no weather, no storms, earthquakes, hurricane Katrinas, to worry
about. And with no skin damage, no wrinkles! Before the flood, there was
no eating of animals - Gen 9. After, they had to eat animals, since
there was no gardens prepared yet. Before, everyone lived on a diet of
fruits, vegetables, seeds, etc. There was no cholesterol from fat in
our diets, then. Animals did not live in fear of us. Think how much
easier it would have been to build a pyramid with dinosaurs helping.
Before the flood, the earth was mostly land; now, with the extra water,
and more is even now still coming from under the ground, the earth is
70% water. Reptiles continue to grow as long as they live. Think how big
a Shark, or a Crocodile, or a lizard could grow if it lived for hundreds
of years! You want dinosaurs, there they are. They were animals that
were created on day 6, just like every other animal. Noah's boat is
described in detail in Gen 6. It is perfectly proportioned to ride out a
storm; similar dimensions to some of the large liners that are built
today. Noah didn't have to have every specie of animal in his ark that
exist today. There are about 400 varieties of dog today, but not all of
them existed 4400 years ago. That is an example of species variation, in
a like manner of how all the races of the earth come from the only 8
people that lived after the flood waters receded. Look at population
charts. The rate and density of the population of the earth dwindles
back to zero around, oh, say 4400 years ago. If man had been procreating
for millions of years, there would now be about 300 people per square
inch. There's a factory, I think in Arkansas, that uses turkey parts to
make fuel oil. Science now knows how to process this in days/weeks, not
millions of years. Many of the oil deposits that we use to fuel our cars
come from the plants, animals, and humans that were killed in the flood.
Think about that the next time you fill up your car! Human remains
subsume the fossil record. Artifacts are found inside chunks of coal.
When trees become waterlogged, they fall to the bottom vertically.
Petrified trees are found in the fossil record vertically spanning
"millions of years" of sediment. The earth is just not that old.
There's more, and I could go on and on.

***********************

I have never in my life seen such a set of bizarre statements! In one
post he asserts evolution is fantasy, then here he says all dogs came
from the few on Noah's Ark? The Earth was a hyperbaric chamber? The
Egyptians used DINOSAURS to build the pyramids?!

OK, I'm a little calmer now...

--
L. Raymond


Was he/she posting from the Whitehouse?


Change "White" to "Nut"

These days is there much difference?

Of course.
Nuts are good for you.
--
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Aaaauuuuggghhhh! 10 Mar 2007 06:46:56 PM
In article <3tj4v2pmhrkfd8jvkh4acotm1gvuhiibs2@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:30:22 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-9CC259.16302209032007@news.giganews.com>

In article <bad2v2h0k6ddrh61g8tpfednf3fab3olhs@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On 9 Mar 2007 01:53:41 -0800, "justiz" <izstanbul@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1173434021.766638.111860@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com>

On Mar 9, 11:38 am, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

This is just venting. Here is the body of a message I am responding to
right now in another forum:

I believe in 6 days of creation, Adam and Eve being tricked by Satan,
thrown out of Eden, into a land cursed by God - Gen 3:17. There was no
rain from creation until Noah. The water that God stored under the earth
and above the clouds covered the earth in the flood. Before that the
water protected us from the harmful rays of the sun, and along with a
better diet, more compressed atmosphere, higher percentage of oxygen,
etc. allowed for longer lives. You've heard of a hyberbaric chamber, its
healing and rejuvenating properties? Think how cool it would be to live
in one all day, every day that protected you from the damaging effects
of the sun's rays! You might live, I don't know, hundreds of years! And
with no weather, no storms, earthquakes, hurricane Katrinas, to worry
about. And with no skin damage, no wrinkles! Before the flood, there was
no eating of animals - Gen 9. After, they had to eat animals, since
there was no gardens prepared yet. Before, everyone lived on a diet of
fruits, vegetables, seeds, etc. There was no cholesterol from fat in
our diets, then. Animals did not live in fear of us. Think how much
easier it would have been to build a pyramid with dinosaurs helping.
Before the flood, the earth was mostly land; now, with the extra water,
and more is even now still coming from under the ground, the earth is
70% water. Reptiles continue to grow as long as they live. Think how big
a Shark, or a Crocodile, or a lizard could grow if it lived for hundreds
of years! You want dinosaurs, there they are. They were animals that
were created on day 6, just like every other animal. Noah's boat is
described in detail in Gen 6. It is perfectly proportioned to ride out a
storm; similar dimensions to some of the large liners that are built
today. Noah didn't have to have every specie of animal in his ark that
exist today. There are about 400 varieties of dog today, but not all of
them existed 4400 years ago. That is an example of species variation, in
a like manner of how all the races of the earth come from the only 8
people that lived after the flood waters receded. Look at population
charts. The rate and density of the population of the earth dwindles
back to zero around, oh, say 4400 years ago. If man had been procreating
for millions of years, there would now be about 300 people per square
inch. There's a factory, I think in Arkansas, that uses turkey parts to
make fuel oil. Science now knows how to process this in days/weeks, not
millions of years. Many of the oil deposits that we use to fuel our cars
come from the plants, animals, and humans that were killed in the flood.
Think about that the next time you fill up your car! Human remains
subsume the fossil record. Artifacts are found inside chunks of coal.
When trees become waterlogged, they fall to the bottom vertically.
Petrified trees are found in the fossil record vertically spanning
"millions of years" of sediment. The earth is just not that old.
There's more, and I could go on and on.

***********************

I have never in my life seen such a set of bizarre statements! In one
post he asserts evolution is fantasy, then here he says all dogs came
from the few on Noah's Ark? The Earth was a hyperbaric chamber? The
Egyptians used DINOSAURS to build the pyramids?!

OK, I'm a little calmer now...

--
L. Raymond


Was he/she posting from the Whitehouse?


Change "White" to "Nut"

These days is there much difference?


Of course.
Nuts are good for you.

--

Not those nuts. I meant the kind that walk around, get selected for high
office, and embarrass themselves and their country in front of the whole
world while killing a lot of people.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
.






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