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Religions > Atheism |
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05 Apr 2005 04:43:20 PM |
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ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
ABORTION, and WHEN Human Life BEGINS
The debate about the abortion issue really boils down to
a question of WHEN human life begins. Many "pro-lifers" are
fundamentalist Christians but are unable to quote any clear
statements from their Bible indicating that human life begins
at conception. [And most of them, especially the Catholics,
are also against artificial birth control, which would
PREVENT the unwanted pregnancies to begin with! ] They are
apparently either ignorant of, or ignoring, GENESIS 2:7 KJV,
which states: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE,
and man became a living Soul.".
This Biblical statement indicates that human life begins
(Soul enters its new body) WHEN THE BODY TAKES ITS FIRST
BREATH OF AIR OUT-side THE WOMB. Therefore, if an aborted
fetus's lungs are too undeveloped to breathe, or if an older
fetus is biologically terminated IN-side the womb, then that
abortion can NOT be called "murder", because NO Soul was
present in the fetus.
A fetus is like a laptop computer with a working battery
but NO-one to operate it.
Another thing to consider is that each of us is
surrounded by a protective energy field usually called an
"AURA", as described in MANY books related to psychic
phenomena. A few people, including psychic futurist Gordon-
Michael Scallion, and the late "Sleeping Prophet" Edgar
Cayce, can actually SEE colored AURAs around people. The
Canadian scientist Frances Nixon developed a way to locate
the boundaries of a person's AURA.
One of the AURA's main purposes is to shield out
discarnate entities from a person's body. If an AURA becomes
weak, because of illness, injury, mind-altering drugs,
alcohol, etc., discarnate entities can sometimes invade and
cause insanity, possession, multiple personalities, etc..
THE AURA OF A HEALTHY PREGNANT WOMAN WOULD LIKEWISE
PREVENT A SOUL FROM ENTERING THE FETUS INSIDE HER.
A Soul that is seeking to REincarnate into this world
KNOWS if Its intended fetus is likely to be aborted before
birth or terminated immediately after birth, and will simply
STAY OUT OF IT.
The purpose of laws in a free country like the United
States should be to protect INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, and prevent
it from being violated by others, NOT to stifle it in the
name of power, control, exploitation, ORTHODOX RELIGION, or
the money-god. Any man-made law which fails that test is
automatically and immediately UN-Constitutional, null and
void.
The INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM of a pregnant woman to control
her own body must likewise be protected.
If the "pro-lifers" would show as much concern for ALL
People AFTER birth as they do for fetus's before birth, the
world could rapidly become a decent place to live in.
Robert E. McElwaine
Eckankar Initiate
http://members.aol.com/rem547 PLUS
http://members.aol.com/rem460
Preserve BOTH on CD-R and PRINT-OUTS
P.S.: LIKE THE TALIBAN, fundamentalist Christians want to
create and MIS-use man-made laws to IMPOSE their self-
righteous religious values against the rest of us.
P.S.2: PASS IT ON !
"EVERYTHING you know is WRONG."
"The Truth IS stranger than fiction."
"The Truth is ALWAYS the FIRST CASUALTY OF WAR."
"OFFICIAL LIES are ALWAYS the BIGGEST LIES OF ALL."
"The more things change, the more they STAY THE SAME."
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
23 Apr 2005 01:43:54 AM |
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In article <1114203735.973660.136770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ricky Ticket wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:04:22 -0400, osprey wrote
Go go girl..:o)
Uh...dear
Oh dear...
YES MAAM!!!
Hun...
Condescending tone noted...
Good, I am glad you caught it. I laid it on pretty thick.
In addition to your numerous defects already noted, you seem to have
a real
lack of respect for woman.
I totally respect women, just not you.
Is this the language that you are taught to use
when talking to a woman, or are you just a real bad very public
example of
what the Delaware State department of corrections has to offer?
Are you going to have the newspapers run another article??
You do know that EVERY post you make with this name that you
identified as a
De. State corrections officer might be associated with that
profession or
department don't you?
You do know I have a lot of your post showing you as an irrational, hot
tempered, person who can't control your emotions and allowed a simple
newsgroup to cause you an obsession, to a point where you are acting
like a fool.
Don't you?
<snip>
Enough time wasted on you.
The sound you hear is Osprey running...
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
23 Apr 2005 05:27:03 AM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <1114203735.973660.136770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ricky Ticket wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:04:22 -0400, osprey wrote
Go go girl..:o)
Uh...dear
Oh dear...
YES MAAM!!!
Hun...
Condescending tone noted...
Good, I am glad you caught it. I laid it on pretty thick.
In addition to your numerous defects already noted, you seem to
have
a real
lack of respect for woman.
I totally respect women, just not you.
Is this the language that you are taught to use
when talking to a woman, or are you just a real bad very public
example of
what the Delaware State department of corrections has to offer?
Are you going to have the newspapers run another article??
You do know that EVERY post you make with this name that you
identified as a
De. State corrections officer might be associated with that
profession or
department don't you?
You do know I have a lot of your post showing you as an irrational,
hot
tempered, person who can't control your emotions and allowed a
simple
newsgroup to cause you an obsession, to a point where you are
acting
like a fool.
Don't you?
<snip>
Enough time wasted on you.
The sound you hear is Osprey running...
Running? Where?
Just letting time tell the story, that's all..:o)
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
23 Apr 2005 08:25:58 AM |
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In article <1114252023.422947.63800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <1114203735.973660.136770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ricky Ticket wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:04:22 -0400, osprey wrote
Go go girl..:o)
Uh...dear
Oh dear...
YES MAAM!!!
Hun...
Condescending tone noted...
Good, I am glad you caught it. I laid it on pretty thick.
In addition to your numerous defects already noted, you seem to
have
a real
lack of respect for woman.
I totally respect women, just not you.
Is this the language that you are taught to use
when talking to a woman, or are you just a real bad very public
example of
what the Delaware State department of corrections has to offer?
Are you going to have the newspapers run another article??
You do know that EVERY post you make with this name that you
identified as a
De. State corrections officer might be associated with that
profession or
department don't you?
You do know I have a lot of your post showing you as an irrational,
hot
tempered, person who can't control your emotions and allowed a
simple
newsgroup to cause you an obsession, to a point where you are
acting
like a fool.
Don't you?
<snip>
Enough time wasted on you.
The sound you hear is Osprey running...
Running? Where?
Just letting time tell the story, that's all..:o)
Use all the excuses you like. You are good at that.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
23 Apr 2005 08:44:19 PM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <1114252023.422947.63800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article
<1114203735.973660.136770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ricky Ticket wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:04:22 -0400, osprey wrote
Go go girl..:o)
Uh...dear
Oh dear...
YES MAAM!!!
Hun...
Condescending tone noted...
Good, I am glad you caught it. I laid it on pretty thick.
In addition to your numerous defects already noted, you seem
to
have
a real
lack of respect for woman.
I totally respect women, just not you.
Is this the language that you are taught to use
when talking to a woman, or are you just a real bad very
public
example of
what the Delaware State department of corrections has to
offer?
Are you going to have the newspapers run another article??
You do know that EVERY post you make with this name that you
identified as a
De. State corrections officer might be associated with that
profession or
department don't you?
You do know I have a lot of your post showing you as an
irrational,
hot
tempered, person who can't control your emotions and allowed a
simple
newsgroup to cause you an obsession, to a point where you are
acting
like a fool.
Don't you?
<snip>
Enough time wasted on you.
The sound you hear is Osprey running...
Running? Where?
Just letting time tell the story, that's all..:o)
Use all the excuses you like. You are good at that.
What excuses?
In a few weeks and months, I will see how you and ricky are doing with
your venture.
I am waiting for you to start saying things like,
"I have an email for you, I know how we can get him"
Or something like that.
I am just letting you clowns enjoy your little rants for now, in a few
weeks and months I will ask you clowns why you didn't show up for your
own circus and we can all enjoy your show.
Enjoy..:o)
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
23 Apr 2005 11:03:08 PM |
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In article <1114307059.185414.59250@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <1114252023.422947.63800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article
<1114203735.973660.136770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ricky Ticket wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:04:22 -0400, osprey wrote
Go go girl..:o)
Uh...dear
Oh dear...
YES MAAM!!!
Hun...
Condescending tone noted...
Good, I am glad you caught it. I laid it on pretty thick.
In addition to your numerous defects already noted, you seem
to
have
a real
lack of respect for woman.
I totally respect women, just not you.
Is this the language that you are taught to use
when talking to a woman, or are you just a real bad very
public
example of
what the Delaware State department of corrections has to
offer?
Are you going to have the newspapers run another article??
You do know that EVERY post you make with this name that you
identified as a
De. State corrections officer might be associated with that
profession or
department don't you?
You do know I have a lot of your post showing you as an
irrational,
hot
tempered, person who can't control your emotions and allowed a
simple
newsgroup to cause you an obsession, to a point where you are
acting
like a fool.
Don't you?
<snip>
Enough time wasted on you.
The sound you hear is Osprey running...
Running? Where?
Just letting time tell the story, that's all..:o)
Use all the excuses you like. You are good at that.
What excuses?
"Just letting time tell the story."
In a few weeks and months, I will see how you and ricky are doing with
your venture.
What "venture?" Using another word you don't understand?
I am waiting for you to start saying things like,
"I have an email for you, I know how we can get him"
Or something like that.
I am just letting you clowns enjoy your little rants for now, in a few
weeks and months I will ask you clowns why you didn't show up for your
own circus and we can all enjoy your show.
You sound scared...
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| User: "Ricky Ticket" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
23 Apr 2005 08:57:39 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:44:19 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1114307059.185414.59250@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>):
Enjoy..:o)
Speaking of clowns, it lookes like you had dopey letter of the week. :o)
http://www.invincibleironman.com/hube/?sfgdata=4|
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
23 Apr 2005 11:03:09 PM |
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In article <0001HW.BE9075800009F70F1F600B50@news.east.earthlink.net>,
Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:44:19 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1114307059.185414.59250@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>):
Enjoy..:o)
Speaking of clowns, it lookes like you had dopey letter of the week. :o)
http://www.invincibleironman.com/hube/?sfgdata=4|
LOL! That's great!
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| User: "Ricky Ticket" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
24 Apr 2005 02:40:39 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 0:03:09 -0400, David W. Barnes wrote
(in message <230420052103099744%dbarnes@aol.com>):
Speaking of clowns, it lookes like you had dopey letter of the week. :o)
http://www.invincibleironman.com/hube/?sfgdata=4|
LOL! That's great!
I have a feeling Robert is going to regret every letter he ever wrote to that
paper. :o)
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
24 Apr 2005 03:09:23 PM |
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In article <0001HW.BE916EA50003C8311EA96170@news.east.earthlink.net>,
Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 0:03:09 -0400, David W. Barnes wrote
(in message <230420052103099744%dbarnes@aol.com>):
Speaking of clowns, it lookes like you had dopey letter of the week. :o)
http://www.invincibleironman.com/hube/?sfgdata=4|
LOL! That's great!
I have a feeling Robert is going to regret every letter he ever wrote to that
paper. :o)
He'll just ignore it and hope it goes away.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
24 Apr 2005 03:58:48 PM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <0001HW.BE916EA50003C8311EA96170@news.east.earthlink.net>,
Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 0:03:09 -0400, David W. Barnes wrote
(in message <230420052103099744%dbarnes@aol.com>):
Speaking of clowns, it lookes like you had dopey letter of the
week. :o)
http://www.invincibleironman.com/hube/?sfgdata=4|
LOL! That's great!
I have a feeling Robert is going to regret every letter he ever
wrote to that
paper. :o)
He'll just ignore it and hope it goes away.
Actually, I get some good compliments, some negative ones. That's to be
expected in opinion columns. Ricky actually came out looking like the
fool. Kind of stupid for her to get so personal in that opinion
section. But, she has shown a lot of stupidity up to now..so why stop?
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
24 Apr 2005 07:39:41 PM |
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In article <1114376328.247914.109920@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <0001HW.BE916EA50003C8311EA96170@news.east.earthlink.net>,
Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 0:03:09 -0400, David W. Barnes wrote
(in message <230420052103099744%dbarnes@aol.com>):
Speaking of clowns, it lookes like you had dopey letter of the
week. :o)
http://www.invincibleironman.com/hube/?sfgdata=4|
LOL! That's great!
I have a feeling Robert is going to regret every letter he ever
wrote to that
paper. :o)
He'll just ignore it and hope it goes away.
Actually, I get some good compliments, some negative ones. That's to be
expected in opinion columns. Ricky actually came out looking like the
fool.
Manipulate all you like. In my book, Ricky is kicking your *****.
Kind of stupid for her to get so personal in that opinion
section.
LOL!
But, she has shown a lot of stupidity up to now..so why stop?
Getting kind of personal, aren't you?
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| User: "Pr0r3p" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
25 Apr 2005 08:16:49 AM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <1114376328.247914.109920@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article
<0001HW.BE916EA50003C8311EA96170@news.east.earthlink.net>,
Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 0:03:09 -0400, David W. Barnes wrote
(in message <230420052103099744%dbarnes@aol.com>):
Speaking of clowns, it lookes like you had dopey letter of
the
week. :o)
http://www.invincibleironman.com/hube/?sfgdata=4|
LOL! That's great!
I have a feeling Robert is going to regret every letter he ever
wrote to that
paper. :o)
He'll just ignore it and hope it goes away.
Actually, I get some good compliments, some negative ones. That's
to be
expected in opinion columns. Ricky actually came out looking like
the
fool.
Manipulate all you like. In my book, Ricky is kicking your *****.
Kind of stupid for her to get so personal in that opinion
section.
LOL!
But, she has shown a lot of stupidity up to now..so why stop?
Getting kind of personal, aren't you?
I wonder where Asspry's comment falls on his scale of hatred? Perhaps
level 3 or 4...
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
02 May 2005 10:12:36 AM |
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In article <1114435009.181400.37140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Pr0r3p <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <1114376328.247914.109920@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article
<0001HW.BE916EA50003C8311EA96170@news.east.earthlink.net>,
Ricky Ticket <not@given.com> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 0:03:09 -0400, David W. Barnes wrote
(in message <230420052103099744%dbarnes@aol.com>):
Speaking of clowns, it lookes like you had dopey letter of
the
week. :o)
http://www.invincibleironman.com/hube/?sfgdata=4|
LOL! That's great!
I have a feeling Robert is going to regret every letter he ever
wrote to that
paper. :o)
He'll just ignore it and hope it goes away.
Actually, I get some good compliments, some negative ones. That's
to be
expected in opinion columns. Ricky actually came out looking like
the
fool.
Manipulate all you like. In my book, Ricky is kicking your *****.
Kind of stupid for her to get so personal in that opinion
section.
LOL!
But, she has shown a lot of stupidity up to now..so why stop?
Getting kind of personal, aren't you?
I wonder where Asspry's comment falls on his scale of hatred? Perhaps
level 3 or 4...
Under moronic, he has them all.
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| User: "Ricky Ticket" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
24 Apr 2005 09:16:03 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:39:41 -0400, David W. Barnes wrote
(in message <240420051739410466%dbarnes@aol.com>):
Manipulate all you like. In my book, Ricky is kicking your *****.
My leg is getting tired and this retard won't stay down. ;)
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
24 Apr 2005 03:52:41 PM |
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Ricky Ticket wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 0:03:09 -0400, David W. Barnes wrote
(in message <230420052103099744%dbarnes@aol.com>):
Speaking of clowns, it lookes like you had dopey letter of the
week. :o)
http://www.invincibleironman.com/hube/?sfgdata=4|
LOL! That's great!
I have a feeling Robert is going to regret every letter he ever wrote
to that
paper. :o)
Why? People are entitled to their opinion, those things don't bother
me. Actually, you came out looking like the fool..:o)
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
24 Apr 2005 07:39:42 PM |
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In article <1114375961.175938.112950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ricky Ticket wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 0:03:09 -0400, David W. Barnes wrote
(in message <230420052103099744%dbarnes@aol.com>):
Speaking of clowns, it lookes like you had dopey letter of the
week. :o)
http://www.invincibleironman.com/hube/?sfgdata=4|
LOL! That's great!
I have a feeling Robert is going to regret every letter he ever wrote
to that
paper. :o)
Why? People are entitled to their opinion, those things don't bother
me. Actually, you came out looking like the fool..:o)
How so?
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| User: "Ricky Ticket" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
24 Apr 2005 04:26:09 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:52:41 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1114375961.175938.112950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):
Why? People are entitled to their opinion, those things don't bother
me. Actually, you came out looking like the fool..:o)
OK, pointing out that so far everyone that reads your writings thinks you
"dopey" and someone even awarded you 'Dopey letter of the weeK" in regard to
a letter you sent to a newspaper some how makes me look like a fool in the
bizarre worlds you live in. :o)
You are indeed entitled to your opinions. But you are not entitled to engage
in conduct that raises suspicion among the public that you are engaging in
acts which are in violation of the public trust and which will not reflect
unfavorably upon the State and its government.
§ 5806. Code of conduct.
*(a) Each state employee, state officer and honorary state official shall
endeavor to pursue a course of conduct which will not raise suspicion among
the public that such state employee, state officer or honorary state official
is engaging in acts which are in violation of the public trust and which will
not reflect unfavorably upon the State and its government.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
24 Apr 2005 05:02:43 PM |
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Ricky Ticket wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:52:41 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1114375961.175938.112950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):
Why? People are entitled to their opinion, those things don't
bother
me. Actually, you came out looking like the fool..:o)
OK, pointing out that so far everyone that reads your writings thinks
you
"dopey" and someone even awarded you 'Dopey letter of the weeK" in
regard to
a letter you sent to a newspaper some how makes me look like a fool
in the
bizarre worlds you live in. :o)
ROFL,
You know, I realize that you are absolutely desperate but you have gone
beyond the limits. So someone didn't like my comment about the plan to
fund students going to college. So what?
What exactly is your problem? Abused? Neglected? Drugs?
You sure have issues, and from the looks of things you are absolutely
obsessed with me. So much so, that you, Patrick, and Barnes are
searching EVERYTHING for me.
You are indeed entitled to your opinions. But you are not entitled to
engage
in conduct that raises suspicion among the public that you are
engaging in
acts which are in violation of the public trust and which will not
reflect
unfavorably upon the State and its government.
=A7 5806. Code of conduct.
*(a) Each state employee, state officer and honorary state official
shall
endeavor to pursue a course of conduct which will not raise suspicion
among
the public that such state employee, state officer or honorary state
official
is engaging in acts which are in violation of the public trust and
which will
not reflect unfavorably upon the State and its government.
Good luck, and you make sure to let me know how those hearings
went..:o)
Wait until a few others see some of your comments. You are already
regarded as a loon.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
24 Apr 2005 07:39:45 PM |
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In article <1114380163.408613.79030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ricky Ticket wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:52:41 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1114375961.175938.112950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):
Why? People are entitled to their opinion, those things don't
bother
me. Actually, you came out looking like the fool..:o)
OK, pointing out that so far everyone that reads your writings thinks
you
"dopey" and someone even awarded you 'Dopey letter of the weeK" in
regard to
a letter you sent to a newspaper some how makes me look like a fool
in the
bizarre worlds you live in. :o)
ROFL,
You know, I realize that you are absolutely desperate but you have gone
beyond the limits. So someone didn't like my comment about the plan to
fund students going to college. So what?
What exactly is your problem? Abused? Neglected? Drugs?
You sure have issues, and from the looks of things you are absolutely
obsessed with me. So much so, that you, Patrick, and Barnes are
searching EVERYTHING for me.
So, according to you, everyone but you is (1) a liar, (2) wrong, (3)
lacking in proof, (4) obsessed with you, (5) desperate, (6) a fool, (7)
dishonest, (8) stupid, (9) a coward, (10) full of hate, (11) part of a
hate group, and (12) a hypocrite. Interesting. It makes me think of
when that book came out years ago, "I'm OK, You're OK." I remember the
author said the sociopaths were those who always seemed to take the
position, "I'm OK, You're Not OK." That would be YOU.
You are indeed entitled to your opinions. But you are not entitled to
engage
in conduct that raises suspicion among the public that you are
engaging in
acts which are in violation of the public trust and which will not
reflect
unfavorably upon the State and its government.
§ 5806. Code of conduct.
*(a) Each state employee, state officer and honorary state official
shall
endeavor to pursue a course of conduct which will not raise suspicion
among
the public that such state employee, state officer or honorary state
official
is engaging in acts which are in violation of the public trust and
which will
not reflect unfavorably upon the State and its government.
Good luck, and you make sure to let me know how those hearings
went..:o)
Wait until a few others see some of your comments. You are already
regarded as a loon.
Boy, are you kidding yourself. If people view Ricky as I suspect, s/he
(Ricky: male or female? If forget, and you have one of those names...)
is quickly being seen as very insightful and well thought out person.
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24 Apr 2005 09:14:44 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:02:43 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1114380163.408613.79030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>):
ROFL,
You know, I realize that you are absolutely desperate but you have gone
beyond the limits. So someone didn't like my comment about the plan to
fund students going to college. So what?
The funny part was your willingness to have the Delaware txpayers fund
students LIKE YOU that can't make the grade and don't deserve a free ride.
What exactly is your problem? Abused? Neglected? Drugs?
What do you base that comment on corporal? You spend day and night making
yourself look like a sociopathic liar that is making the state of Delaware
and the Corrections profession in general look bad and you have the nerve to
point at others and make such reckless speculation?
You sure have issues, and from the looks of things you are absolutely
obsessed with me.
How is RESPONDING to your personal attacks (some from state computers) and
your idiotic claims about your "investigations" and your opinions based on
your state position an obsession?
I seem to remember you addressing me first and then saying you were "done"
very recently. Seems like you have no self control corporal/minister. :o)
So much so, that you, Patrick, and Barnes are
searching EVERYTHING for me.
Just me retard, I made that clear to you. This is you and me and I only know
what is in the public record. Most put there by you. :o) :o)
Wait until a few others see some of your comments. You are already
regarded as a loon.
Who are these "others" Robert and why don't they support you publicly? It
seems to me that the ONLY things I see posted about you are negative and
attack your character and understanding of all things.
I like that! :o)
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| User: "osprey" |
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24 Apr 2005 09:26:51 PM |
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Ricky Ticket wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:02:43 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1114380163.408613.79030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>):
ROFL,
You know, I realize that you are absolutely desperate but you have
gone
beyond the limits. So someone didn't like my comment about the
plan to
fund students going to college. So what?
The funny part was your willingness to have the Delaware txpayers
fund
students LIKE YOU that can't make the grade and don't deserve a free
ride.
Student's like me? Now, how in the world would you know what kind of a
student I was? Can't make the grade? I think I am doing rather well,
you could call the Dean at Wilmington College if you would like too.
Look Ricky, let's cut to the chase. You don't like me, I don't care.
You have a very serious problem, hopefully you can get some help.
I am offering you some friendly advice. Do what you want. You are
coming across looking like a very vindictive fool.
All this started because you got all upset because I disagreed with you
on something. I don't even know what it was about any more.
You do what you want, I would offer to try and start over with you and
let's stop this foolishness but something tells me you wouldn't accept
so, life goes on.
What exactly is your problem? Abused? Neglected? Drugs?
What do you base that comment on corporal?
What's your issue with the Corporal rank now?
You spend day and night making
yourself look like a sociopathic liar that is making the state of
Delaware
and the Corrections profession in general look bad and you have the
nerve to
point at others and make such reckless speculation?
Oh yea, this newsgroup is on the public news channels all the time.
Give it up Ricky, you are being WAY over dramatic.
Hell, the post you claim is your evidence, came from a home computer.
How in the hell is that wasting tax payers dollars?
You couldn't even produce a post that proves your claim that I
supposably claimed to use a professional position to gather evidence.
You sure have issues, and from the looks of things you are
absolutely
obsessed with me.
How is RESPONDING to your personal attacks (some from state
computers) and
your idiotic claims about your "investigations" and your opinions
based on
your state position an obsession?
What claim about investigation???
Damn, we have been through this. I never made any claim to make any
"professional" investigation. I said from the very start as I am
saying again, I found this information right from google. Simple as
that.
And the person you are using in your so called case, I have on record
saying that isn't really him.
What opinion based on a state position are you talking about???
I seem to remember you addressing me first and then saying you were
"done"
very recently. Seems like you have no self control corporal/minister.
:o)
Minister????
What in the hell are you smoking girl???
So much so, that you, Patrick, and Barnes are
searching EVERYTHING for me.
Just me retard, I made that clear to you. This is you and me and I
only know
what is in the public record. Most put there by you. :o) :o)
Ahh, well now...that makes a lot of sense.
You are thrown girl...really thrown.
Wait until a few others see some of your comments. You are already
regarded as a loon.
Who are these "others" Robert and why don't they support you
publicly? It
seems to me that the ONLY things I see posted about you are negative
and
attack your character and understanding of all things.
I like that! :o)
And you think that makes you look reasonable?
Tell you one thing, it makes you look very vindictive and childish.
But hey, you do what you got to do. Just remember this, I have a lot
of your comments on file and I hope you are prepared to make a trip to
Delaware to answer to a lot of the things you say.
Remember this...sixth amendment.
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| Title: Re: ABORTION --- and WHEN Human Life BEGINS |
25 Apr 2005 12:03:22 AM |
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In article <1114396011.181586.19900@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
But hey, you do what you got to do. Just remember this, I have a lot
of your comments on file and I hope you are prepared to make a trip to
Delaware to answer to a lot of the things you say.
Remember this...sixth amendment.
The sixth amendment doesn't mean what you'd like it to mean - what a
surprise. Ricky wouldn't need to make a trip at all. The authorities
don't even need to know any identities, other than yours. You should
stop speaking on issues you know nothing about. Time get a lawyer,
perhaps?
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| User: "Ricky Ticket" |
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25 Apr 2005 12:27:18 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 1:03:22 -0400, David W. Barnes wrote
(in message <240420052203220100%dbarnes@aol.com>):
The sixth amendment doesn't mean what you'd like it to mean - what a
surprise. Ricky wouldn't need to make a trip at all.
Indeed, he is just (again) trying to intimidate by insinuating (with sinister
undertones) that he will learn my name if the state of Delaware decides to go
after him (like that scares me anyway).
It's just another nail in his coffin.
The authorities
don't even need to know any identities, other than yours.
Exactly, I wouldn't be surprised if the state of delaware is being inundated
with complaints about this ***** and not one of those complainants has any
more information then a reading of Heishmans public writings could provide.
There would be no "witnesses". :o)
You should
stop speaking on issues you know nothing about.
Just stop speaking is better advice, he don't seem well informed about most
things. ;)
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| User: "Osprey" |
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25 Apr 2005 08:30:30 AM |
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"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BE91F8250000A53E1ED5C650@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 1:03:22 -0400, David W. Barnes wrote
(in message <240420052203220100%dbarnes@aol.com>):
The sixth amendment doesn't mean what you'd like it to mean - what a
surprise. Ricky wouldn't need to make a trip at all.
Indeed, he is just (again) trying to intimidate by insinuating (with
sinister
undertones) that he will learn my name if the state of Delaware decides to
go
after him (like that scares me anyway).
It's just another nail in his coffin.
The authorities
don't even need to know any identities, other than yours.
Exactly, I wouldn't be surprised if the state of delaware is being
inundated
with complaints about this ***** and not one of those complainants has
any
more information then a reading of Heishmans public writings could
provide.
There would be no "witnesses". :o)
You should
stop speaking on issues you know nothing about.
Just stop speaking is better advice, he don't seem well informed about
most
things. ;)
Ricky,
You have claimed you will have criminal charges placed against me, made
public threats against me. This is all recorded.
Yes, if you had any criminal charges placed on ANYONE, that person has the
right to face his or her accusor. You think what you want, you would be
required to face me. And you can explain a lot of your post you have made in
here.
Don't think that I am some person who doesn't know how to handle people like
you, do not underestimate me...soldier. You like to consider yourself a
"little" soldier right?
I tried to tell you, don't bite off more than you can chew.
Your public threats, your going to a public forum and making the comment you
made, and a lot of other comments you made..will not help you at all.
:o)
Have a good day good little soldier
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25 Apr 2005 12:30:48 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 9:30:30 -0400, Osprey wrote
(in message <CtGdnVaPwbyvbfHfRVn-uQ@comcast.com>):
Ricky,
You have claimed you will have criminal charges placed against me, made
public threats against me. This is all recorded.
Yes, if you had any criminal charges placed on ANYONE, that person has the
right to face his or her accusor. You think what you want, you would be
required to face me. And you can explain a lot of your post you have made in
here.
Don't think that I am some person who doesn't know how to handle people like
you, do not underestimate me...soldier. You like to consider yourself a
"little" soldier right?
I tried to tell you, don't bite off more than you can chew.
Your public threats, your going to a public forum and making the comment you
made, and a lot of other comments you made..will not help you at all.
o)
Have a good day good little soldier
If any charges are brought against you they will be by the state of Delaware,
not me you retard.
Here is a preview of what they will look like (unless of course they just
fire your worthless, antisocial *****)...
The people of the state of Delaware Vs. Robert J. Heishman
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| User: "Osprey" |
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25 Apr 2005 01:05:09 PM |
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"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BE92A1B80011CE701E8C95E0@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 9:30:30 -0400, Osprey wrote
(in message <CtGdnVaPwbyvbfHfRVn-uQ@comcast.com>):
Ricky,
You have claimed you will have criminal charges placed against me, made
public threats against me. This is all recorded.
Yes, if you had any criminal charges placed on ANYONE, that person has
the
right to face his or her accusor. You think what you want, you would be
required to face me. And you can explain a lot of your post you have made
in
here.
Don't think that I am some person who doesn't know how to handle people
like
you, do not underestimate me...soldier. You like to consider yourself a
"little" soldier right?
I tried to tell you, don't bite off more than you can chew.
Your public threats, your going to a public forum and making the comment
you
made, and a lot of other comments you made..will not help you at all.
o)
Have a good day good little soldier
If any charges are brought against you they will be by the state of
Delaware,
not me you retard.
Ricky,
I am not going to play games with you. You would be required to face me.
Now, you started running your mouth, you better make sure you got what it
takes to back it up. That is all I am saying from this point on to you.
Your post are being recored, they are being monitored, you have made a
threat and you have made some other very foolish comments.
This is one thing I definetely know what I am talking about. So be ready.
<snipping the rest of your nonsense>
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25 Apr 2005 03:26:23 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:05:09 -0400, Osprey wrote
(in message <ac2dnakQirU8rfDfRVn-3w@comcast.com>):
Ricky,
I am not going to play games with you.
Yes you are you scared little *****. You think flashing a badge over the
internet is intimidating and you are trying to do that AGAIN. listen scumbag,
regardless of what your dumb ***** thinks, You and the state, and your
profession have issues to discuss. If anyone wants me there, so be it. If it
would help clarify things and deal with your antics as a state employee, so
be it.
You don't scare anyone Robert. You are only digging a deeper hole for
yourself.
Is that clear enough for you? I would love to get a trip to Delaware on your
dime asswipe, so you can drop the attempts at intimidation (another crime).
It won't work.
This is one thing I definetely know what I am talking about. So be ready.
That would be a first corporal, You canıt even spell ³definitely² and you
sure don't seem to know the laws of your state or the code of conduct you
swore to.
You know even less about criminal procedure. So FOAD you worthless piece of
*****. :o)
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25 Apr 2005 03:46:02 PM |
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Ricky Ticket wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:05:09 -0400, Osprey wrote
(in message <ac2dnakQirU8rfDfRVn-3w@comcast.com>):
Ricky,
I am not going to play games with you.
Yes you are you scared little *****. You think flashing a badge over
the
internet is intimidating and you are trying to do that AGAIN. listen
scumbag,
regardless of what your dumb ***** thinks, You and the state, and your
profession have issues to discuss. If anyone wants me there, so be
it. If it
would help clarify things and deal with your antics as a state
employee, so
be it.
You don't scare anyone Robert. You are only digging a deeper hole for
yourself.
A lot of talk, and no action. Just be ready, this post alone has gone
to the proper person to show your contempt. I tried to tell you, your
actions alone are what is going to do you in. You are already done in,
but you don't even know it.
Your lies don't help either.
Your threats have definitely destroyed any hope you have.
I have already been in contact with the proper people and given them
every one of your post. They and I both agree, your attitude is that
of a sixth grader having a temper tantrum, and nothing more.
Nowhere have I "flashed" a badge. Nowhere did I claim to use a
professional position to find information. All your hollering and
ranting has done nothing but make you look like a fool.
If you were bright, which you clearly are not, you should have
contacted someone to give you advice. The first piece of advice they
would have given you, if you are going to run the mouth...shut up.
Your actions destroyed any credibility you may have thought you had.
Sitting in a newsgroup, running off with the insults, cursing, and
threats destroyed you.
Is that clear enough for you? I would love to get a trip to Delaware
on your
dime asswipe, so you can drop the attempts at intimidation (another
crime).
It won't work.
Then make your trip, don't talk. Do it. Be prepared though. I don't
have time for yet another wanna be tough person who can sit in a
newsgroup and run their trap.
This is one thing I definetely know what I am talking about. So be
ready.
That would be a first corporal, You can=B9t even spell =B3definitely=B2
and you
sure don't seem to know the laws of your state or the code of conduct
you
swore to.
You know even less about criminal procedure. So FOAD you worthless
piece of
*****. :o)
Just be prepared, you don't know what you have gotten yourself into.
First thing you need to realize is you got yourself into a very
embarrassing situation on here. It's going to be very embarrassing for
you when several months roll down and you have nothing to say.
So be prepared, if you bring up the charges you will face me. I will
make it a requirement, and you will have to pay a visit.
Your post will come out, all of them, your threats, your name calling,
your insults. All of it, and you can explain each one.
I look forward to it..good little soldier
Oh, I missed that article...which edition was it in?
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| User: "Ricky Ticket" |
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25 Apr 2005 06:26:50 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:46:02 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1114461962.363712.266170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>):
A lot of talk, and no action. Just be ready,
Blah, blah, blah, mother of all battles, your record is stuck asswipe.
this post alone has gone
to the proper person to show your contempt.
U huh, get that "file" going Robert. I have clearly stated my contempt for
you MANY times. What does that have to do with you breaching the public trust
and casting the De. state gov. in a bad light?
I tried to tell you, your
actions alone are what is going to do you in. You are already done in,
but you don't even know it.
Yeah, bizzaro world rules I guess. ::yawn::
Your lies don't help either.
Your threats have definitely destroyed any hope you have.
What lies scumbag? The only one lying here is a delaware state employee that
is running scared and lashing out in windmill fashion at anything that moves.
I have already been in contact with the proper people and given them
every one of your post. They and I both agree, your attitude is that
of a sixth grader having a temper tantrum, and nothing more.
But your moms opinion in moot retard. No one else supports you except your
sock puppet. :o)
Nowhere have I "flashed" a badge. Nowhere did I claim to use a
professional position to find information. All your hollering and
ranting has done nothing but make you look like a fool.
That's funny, I don't see anyone supporting you or agreeing with you, FOOL!
If you were bright, which you clearly are not, you should have
contacted someone to give you advice. The first piece of advice they
would have given you, if you are going to run the mouth...shut up.
Your actions destroyed any credibility you may have thought you had.
It's not between you and me asswipe, it's between you and the state of
delaware. Did your parents have any children that lived?
Sitting in a newsgroup, running off with the insults, cursing, and
threats destroyed you.
Uhuh, it made you look like a good state employee I guess. Man you sound
scared, I like that.
Then make your trip, don't talk. Do it. Be prepared though. I don't
have time for yet another wanna be tough person who can sit in a
newsgroup and run their trap.
I bet you wish you could make up a false report and put me in solitary huh
corporal?
Just be prepared, you don't know what you have gotten yourself into.
Sure I do, I see a delaware state employee trying to pass himself off as a
cop on the internet and threatening people with fake postings of their
"criminal history" and "Program" data. I see you attacking people with data
related to your state position suggesting that you are breaching the public
trust and possibly violating laws in doing so.
It's not rocket science.
So be prepared, if you bring up the charges you will face me. I will
make it a requirement, and you will have to pay a visit.
Mahahaha!
"I will make it a requirement"
Brother you are delusional! About all you could "make" is that lump in your
pants as you contemplate facing state charges "The People Vs Robert J.
Heishman" (that is if they don't just fire you for all your Code of conduct
violations)...
§ 5806. Code of conduct.
*(a) Each state employee, state officer and honorary state official shall
endeavor to pursue a course of conduct which will not raise suspicion among
the public that such state employee, state officer or honorary state official
is engaging in acts which are in violation of the public trust and which will
not reflect unfavorably upon the State and its government.
Your post will come out, all of them, your threats, your name calling,
your insults. All of it, and you can explain each one.
maybe so, but I don't work for the state of delaware and I didn't abuse the
public trust and raise public suspicion.
Man I hope the papers pick up on this, they seemed interested and that should
generate a few thousand complaints about you one the tax payers read your
internet history.
Then we could have a tailgate party at your trial and hold up silly signs
that say things like "Stop investigating me delaware corrections department!"
and "If all guards are cops are all cops guards? Are all meeps oopps?
Oh, I missed that article...which edition was it in?
None yet, lets hope more people here take up the cause now that they see how
to easily deal with your dumb *****. :o)
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25 Apr 2005 06:49:24 PM |
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"Ricky Ticket" <not@given.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BE92F52A0001D9771EB03970@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:46:02 -0400, osprey wrote
(in message <1114461962.363712.266170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>):
A lot of talk, and no action. Just be ready,
Blah, blah, blah, mother of all battles, your record is stuck asswipe.
Your done
this post alone has gone
to the proper person to show your contempt.
U huh, get that "file" going Robert. I have clearly stated my contempt for
you MANY times. What does that have to do with you breaching the public
trust
and casting the De. state gov. in a bad light?
I haven't, so you can stick it.
I have not claimed to use a professional position in gathering information
I have not used state equipment when I posted the information I gathered
I gathered the information via the internet, (google search), last time I
heard that was still legal.
I tried to tell you, your
actions alone are what is going to do you in. You are already done in,
but you don't even know it.
Yeah, bizzaro world rules I guess. ::yawn::
Your lies don't help either.
Your threats have definitely destroyed any hope you have.
What lies scumbag?
Your lie about Deljis
Your lie claiming I said I used a professional position within the state to
conduct an investigation
Your lie claiming I used state equipment to post that information
Three lies
Hell, the person you are refering to, David Barnes, doesn't exist..according
to Barnes.
The only one lying here is a delaware state employee that
is running scared and lashing out in windmill fashion at anything that
moves.
I have already been in contact with the proper people and given them
every one of your post. They and I both agree, your attitude is that
of a sixth grader having a temper tantrum, and nothing more.
But your moms opinion in moot retard. No one else supports you except your
sock puppet. :o)
You do realize you have a mental condition don't you?
Nowhere have I "flashed" a badge. Nowhere did I claim to use a
professional position to find information. All your hollering and
ranting has done nothing but make you look like a fool.
That's funny, I don't see anyone supporting you or agreeing with you,
FOOL!
Since when was that needed in a newsgroup?
If you were bright, which you clearly are not, you should have
contacted someone to give you advice. The first piece of advice they
would have given you, if you are going to run the mouth...shut up.
Your actions destroyed any credibility you may have thought you had.
It's not between you and me asswipe, it's between you and the state of
delaware. Did your parents have any children that lived?
You criticize people for spelling, I at least know that you capitalize the
first letter in Delaware. LOL
Sitting in a newsgroup, running off with the insults, cursing, and
threats destroyed you.
Uhuh, it made you look like a good state employee I guess. Man you sound
scared, I like that.
Then make your trip, don't talk. Do it. Be prepared though. I don't
have time for yet another wanna be tough person who can sit in a
newsgroup and run their trap.
I bet you wish you could make up a false report and put me in solitary huh
corporal?
Your fantasy isn't an issue.
Just be prepared, you don't know what you have gotten yourself into.
Sure I do, I see a delaware state employee trying to pass himself off as a
cop on the internet and threatening people with fake postings of their
"criminal history"
What criminal history?
and "Program" data.
What program data?
I see you attacking people with data
related to your state position suggesting that you are breaching the
public
trust and possibly violating laws in doing so.
Sorry your delusions are not what is considered evidence.
It's not rocket science.
And you are nowhere near being a rocket scientist.
So be prepared, if you bring up the charges you will face me. I will
make it a requirement, and you will have to pay a visit.
Mahahaha!
"I will make it a requirement"
Brother you are delusional! About all you could "make" is that lump in
your
pants as you contemplate facing state charges "The People Vs Robert J.
Heishman" (that is if they don't just fire you for all your Code of
conduct
violations)...
You don't understand the sixth amendment at all do you.
Don't worry about it, you will..:o)
§ 5806. Code of conduct.
*(a) Each state employee, state officer and honorary state official shall
endeavor to pursue a course of conduct which will not raise suspicion
among
the public that such state employee, state officer or honorary state
official
is engaging in acts which are in violation of the public trust and which
will
not reflect unfavorably upon the State and its government.
Your post will come out, all of them, your threats, your name calling,
your insults. All of it, and you can explain each one.
maybe so, but I don't work for the state of delaware and I didn't abuse
the
public trust and raise public suspicion.
I am going to really enjoy rubbing this in..:o)
Man I hope the papers pick up on this, they seemed interested and that
should
generate a few thousand complaints about you one the tax payers read your
internet history.
ROFL!!!
Then we could have a tailgate party at your trial and hold up silly signs
that say things like "Stop investigating me delaware corrections
department!"
and "If all guards are cops are all cops guards? Are all meeps oopps?
Oh puh-lease...your comedy is absoutely insane.
Oh, I missed that article...which edition was it in?
None yet, lets hope more people here take up the cause now that they see
how
to easily deal with your dumb *****. :o)
You do that..ROFL
Thanks for the comedy..
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