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Abortion 101 at Yale (teaching non-medical students how to perform
abortions)
Michelle Malkin - Dawn Eden ^ | January 25, 2007 06:25 AM | Michelle
Malkin
Posted on 01/25/2007 4:19:56 AM PST by ajolympian2004
Abortion 101 at Yale
By Michelle Malkin
=B7 January 25, 2007 06:25 AM
Dawn Eden reports that Yale medical students are celebrating "Roe v.
Wade week" by holding a seminar, open to non-medical students, on how
to perform abortions.
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Yale 'Roe vs. Wade Week' teaches non-medical students how to make a
baby go (Whiffen)poof
Good morning! I'm exhausted after taking two trains and a cab back
from New Haven, so I'll leave it to Stephen of For God, for Country,
and for Yale to offer details (and, I hope, photos) of my Theology on
Tap talk. I can tell you that it was the best experience I've had yet
at a speaking engagement. I know I'm in the right kind of bar event
when I walk in and see a sign on the bannister of the staircase that
reads, "Confession" - and next to it a priest in flowing white
Dominican garb. (Yes, he did hear confessions after my talk as well as
before - though I didn't get a chance to make one myself.) The
location, in the back room of the Playwright pub, was stunning - a
plank-by-plank recreation of an Irish church - and there were about
100 people there.
Meanwhile, on the other side of New Haven, student groups at Yale were
gearing up for Roe vs. Wade Week. According to the Yale Daily News,
the event, presumably subsidized by student activity funds, does more
than just promote abortion. The organizers plan to teach attendees -
not just medical students, but anyone who shows up - how to perform
the "simple procedure":
On Thursday, the Yale Medical Students for Choice will host workshop
on manual vacuum aspiration for medical students, using a papaya as a
uterine model. Manual vacuum aspiration is a surgical abortion method
that uses a syringe to remove the fetus from a woman's uterus. Merritt
Evans MED '09 said she thought it was important to have the workshop
because the procedure can be used for a variety of different purposes
- including miscarriage management and the treatment of a failed
medical abortion or ectopic pregnancy - and is inconsistently taught
in medical school.
While the workshop is targeted towards medical students,
undergraduates are also invited to attend.
"The reason I wanted to include other people is that it is such a
simple procedure, but the media attention around it ... makes this an
emotionally traumatic and a complicated thing," Evans said. "It's just
to be like, 'Here is what actually happens, here is what the medical
procedure is like, this is what an aborted yolk sac looks like.' It
looks like a piece of cotton."
It strikes me that Yale's traditional school songs are horribly
outdated in light of the school's new mission. A $25 Amazon gift
certificate to the commenter who composes the best rewrite of one of
the school's anthems. Deadline is midnight tonight. Remember, do it
for God, for country, for Yale, and for all those liberal arts
students at one of the country's finest Ivy League universities who
are about to learn how to suction a live baby out of the womb.
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10 Feb 2007 08:54:27 PM |
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Abortion 101 at Yale (teaching non-medical students how to perform
abortions)
Michelle Malkin - Dawn Eden ^ | January 25, 2007 06:25 AM | Michelle
Malkin
Posted on 01/25/2007 4:19:56 AM PST by ajolympian2004
Abortion 101 at Yale
By Michelle Malkin
· January 25, 2007 06:25 AM
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The more people who know how to perform abortions, the better. Abortion is
freedom.
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| Title: Re: Abortion 101: Yale Teaching Non-Medical Students How To Perform Abortions |
11 Feb 2007 04:20:41 PM |
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On Feb 10, 6:54 pm, "Peacenik" <cnelsonpub...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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The more people who know how to perform abortions, the better. Abortion is
freedom.
The earlier the better. Very early medical abortions, using various
drugs/herbs, are the simplest and safest for the woman. Menstrual
extraction is another safe option. These methods do not require a
physician to administer.
See _Eve's Herbs_ by John Riddle
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05 Feb 2007 08:58:36 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
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Michelle Malkin - Dawn Eden ^ | January 25, 2007 06:25 AM | Michelle
Malkin
Michelle Malkin's mother had a partial abortion -- the child was born
without a functioning brain and went on to become a rightwing pundit.
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05 Feb 2007 09:14:20 PM |
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On Feb 6, 10:58 am, "Yo' Momma" <illnevert...@nowhere.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in message
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Michelle Malkin - Dawn Eden ^ | January 25, 2007 06:25 AM | Michelle
Malkin
Michelle Malkin's mother had a partial abortion -- the child was born
without a functioning brain and went on to become a rightwing pundit.
Zing!
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| User: "Frank Arthur" |
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06 Feb 2007 07:20:38 AM |
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Actually according to the Bible God was the first abortionist.
He "slew the first born Egyptians". What a ***** to do such a horrible
thing!
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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06 Feb 2007 11:53:27 AM |
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In news:Cg%xh.31861$uW.6279@bignews3.bellsouth.net,
Frank Arthur <Art@Arthurian.com> typed:
Actually according to the Bible God was the first abortionist.
He "slew the first born Egyptians". What a ***** to do such a
horrible thing!
Haven't got over freeing those who were slaves for 400 years yet?
Still too lazy to work for yourself?
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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06 Feb 2007 12:02:45 PM |
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:53:27 -0500, in alt.atheism
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
<vg3yh.43795$Ts.13185@bignews6.bellsouth.net>:
In news:Cg%xh.31861$uW.6279@bignews3.bellsouth.net,
Frank Arthur <Art@Arthurian.com> typed:
Actually according to the Bible God was the first abortionist.
He "slew the first born Egyptians". What a ***** to do such a
horrible thing!
Haven't got over freeing those who were slaves for 400 years yet?
Still too lazy to work for yourself?
Ah, well, that's okay then. Murder is just fine with the right-to-life
crowd.
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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06 Feb 2007 01:07:51 PM |
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In news:glghs29u6g2dd4jefnomht77f69d6qjmfg@4ax.com,
Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> typed:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:53:27 -0500, in alt.atheism
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
<vg3yh.43795$Ts.13185@bignews6.bellsouth.net>:
In news:Cg%xh.31861$uW.6279@bignews3.bellsouth.net,
Frank Arthur <Art@Arthurian.com> typed:
Actually according to the Bible God was the first abortionist.
He "slew the first born Egyptians". What a ***** to do such a
horrible thing!
Haven't got over freeing those who were slaves for 400 years yet?
Still too lazy to work for yourself?
Ah, well, that's okay then. Murder is just fine with the right-to-life
crowd.
Don't you mean that a warning unheeded sometimes has drastic consequences
for those who rebel?
Don't you recall how that plague was done upon the Egyptians by Pharoah's
own decree?
LOL!
Too bad you think you can dictate what can be done to others and think you
are exempt from that same treatment, huh?
Why are you trying to blame God, after Pharoah wanted the first born of the
Hebrews slain?
See how his mouth got him into trouble?
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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06 Feb 2007 01:41:54 PM |
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:07:51 -0500, in alt.atheism
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
<gm4yh.1086$%e3.1084@bigfe9>:
In news:glghs29u6g2dd4jefnomht77f69d6qjmfg@4ax.com,
Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> typed:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:53:27 -0500, in alt.atheism
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
<vg3yh.43795$Ts.13185@bignews6.bellsouth.net>:
In news:Cg%xh.31861$uW.6279@bignews3.bellsouth.net,
Frank Arthur <Art@Arthurian.com> typed:
Actually according to the Bible God was the first abortionist.
He "slew the first born Egyptians". What a ***** to do such a
horrible thing!
Haven't got over freeing those who were slaves for 400 years yet?
Still too lazy to work for yourself?
Ah, well, that's okay then. Murder is just fine with the right-to-life
crowd.
Don't you mean that a warning unheeded sometimes has drastic consequences
for those who rebel?
Don't you recall how that plague was done upon the Egyptians by Pharoah's
own decree?
You mean the bit where God hardened Pharaoh's heart and wouldn't let him
change his mind?
LOL!
Too bad you think you can dictate what can be done to others and think you
are exempt from that same treatment, huh?
Why are you trying to blame God, after Pharoah wanted the first born of the
Hebrews slain?
See how his mouth got him into trouble?
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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06 Feb 2007 02:53:02 PM |
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In news:9fmhs29ulno45g6f3gikko982juof5pmdq@4ax.com,
Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> typed:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:07:51 -0500, in alt.atheism
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
<gm4yh.1086$%e3.1084@bigfe9>:
In news:glghs29u6g2dd4jefnomht77f69d6qjmfg@4ax.com,
Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> typed:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:53:27 -0500, in alt.atheism
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
<vg3yh.43795$Ts.13185@bignews6.bellsouth.net>:
In news:Cg%xh.31861$uW.6279@bignews3.bellsouth.net,
Frank Arthur <Art@Arthurian.com> typed:
Actually according to the Bible God was the first abortionist.
He "slew the first born Egyptians". What a ***** to do such a
horrible thing!
Haven't got over freeing those who were slaves for 400 years yet?
Still too lazy to work for yourself?
Ah, well, that's okay then. Murder is just fine with the
right-to-life crowd.
Don't you mean that a warning unheeded sometimes has drastic
consequences for those who rebel?
Don't you recall how that plague was done upon the Egyptians by
Pharoah's own decree?
You mean the bit where God hardened Pharaoh's heart and wouldn't let
him change his mind?
So, you admit that God is capable of doing such to a person to get
accomplished what He wants done?
LOL!
Too bad you think you can dictate what can be done to others and
think you are exempt from that same treatment, huh?
Why are you trying to blame God, after Pharoah wanted the first born
of the Hebrews slain?
See how his mouth got him into trouble?
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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06 Feb 2007 02:56:05 PM |
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On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:53:02 -0500, in alt.atheism
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
<UU5yh.2618$me.1937@bignews8.bellsouth.net>:
In news:9fmhs29ulno45g6f3gikko982juof5pmdq@4ax.com,
Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> typed:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:07:51 -0500, in alt.atheism
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
<gm4yh.1086$%e3.1084@bigfe9>:
In news:glghs29u6g2dd4jefnomht77f69d6qjmfg@4ax.com,
Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> typed:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:53:27 -0500, in alt.atheism
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
<vg3yh.43795$Ts.13185@bignews6.bellsouth.net>:
In news:Cg%xh.31861$uW.6279@bignews3.bellsouth.net,
Frank Arthur <Art@Arthurian.com> typed:
Actually according to the Bible God was the first abortionist.
He "slew the first born Egyptians". What a ***** to do such a
horrible thing!
Haven't got over freeing those who were slaves for 400 years yet?
Still too lazy to work for yourself?
Ah, well, that's okay then. Murder is just fine with the
right-to-life crowd.
Don't you mean that a warning unheeded sometimes has drastic
consequences for those who rebel?
Don't you recall how that plague was done upon the Egyptians by
Pharoah's own decree?
You mean the bit where God hardened Pharaoh's heart and wouldn't let
him change his mind?
So, you admit that God is capable of doing such to a person to get
accomplished what He wants done?
No. I'm merely pointing out that the story itself said that it wasn't
Pharaoh's choice. God forced him into it.
LOL!
Too bad you think you can dictate what can be done to others and
think you are exempt from that same treatment, huh?
Why are you trying to blame God, after Pharoah wanted the first born
of the Hebrews slain?
See how his mouth got him into trouble?
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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06 Feb 2007 03:02:03 PM |
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In news:rpqhs21t89bu5nfk65o3ha4o69o7i6617i@4ax.com,
Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> typed:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:53:02 -0500, in alt.atheism
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
<UU5yh.2618$me.1937@bignews8.bellsouth.net>:
In news:9fmhs29ulno45g6f3gikko982juof5pmdq@4ax.com,
Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> typed:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:07:51 -0500, in alt.atheism
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
<gm4yh.1086$%e3.1084@bigfe9>:
In news:glghs29u6g2dd4jefnomht77f69d6qjmfg@4ax.com,
Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> typed:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:53:27 -0500, in alt.atheism
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
<vg3yh.43795$Ts.13185@bignews6.bellsouth.net>:
In news:Cg%xh.31861$uW.6279@bignews3.bellsouth.net,
Frank Arthur <Art@Arthurian.com> typed:
Actually according to the Bible God was the first abortionist.
He "slew the first born Egyptians". What a ***** to do such a
horrible thing!
Haven't got over freeing those who were slaves for 400 years yet?
Still too lazy to work for yourself?
Ah, well, that's okay then. Murder is just fine with the
right-to-life crowd.
Don't you mean that a warning unheeded sometimes has drastic
consequences for those who rebel?
Don't you recall how that plague was done upon the Egyptians by
Pharoah's own decree?
You mean the bit where God hardened Pharaoh's heart and wouldn't let
him change his mind?
So, you admit that God is capable of doing such to a person to get
accomplished what He wants done?
No. I'm merely pointing out that the story itself said that it wasn't
Pharaoh's choice. God forced him into it.
Don't forget the part where the Egyptians were ordered to slay the offspring
of the Hebrews.
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06 Feb 2007 11:52:43 AM |
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In news:Cg%xh.31861$uW.6279@bignews3.bellsouth.net,
Frank Arthur <Art@Arthurian.com> typed:
Actually according to the Bible God was the first abortionist.
He "slew the first born Egyptians". What a ***** to do such a
horrible thing!
They were already born.
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06 Feb 2007 02:47:09 PM |
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On Feb 6, 9:52 am, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
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They were already born.
Yeah, you silly goose! Haven't you learned by now that the anti-
choice crowd doesn't give a ***** about children? It's fetuses they
want to save! Once the kid is born, they couldn't care less what
happens to it.
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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06 Feb 2007 02:49:40 PM |
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In news:1170725332.478540.59600@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com,
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> typed:
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Abortion 101 at Yale (teaching non-medical students how to perform
abortions)
So, how is this gonna support all Pro-Choicers who call abortion a medical
procedure?
Seems to me that Pro-Choicers are their own worst enemies.
When will they stop changing?
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| Title: Re: Abortion 101: Yale Teaching Non-Medical Students How To Perform Abortions |
06 Feb 2007 08:58:55 PM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:KR5yh.2616$me.2592@bignews8.bellsouth.net:
In news:1170725332.478540.59600@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com,
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> typed:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1773374/posts
Abortion 101 at Yale (teaching non-medical students how to perform
abortions)
So, how is this gonna support all Pro-Choicers who call abortion a
medical procedure?
Seems to me that Pro-Choicers are their own worst enemies.
When will they stop changing?
Gee .....now there's a surprise ...
Anti-abortionists completely warping and distorting the facts, and
blatantly lying to smear and demonize.
From the Yale News (a cite refered to by the original article) . What the
Yale news states is NOTIHNG like what the anti-abortionist bellowed.
http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/19548
"Roe v. Wade Week at Yale, which is co-sponsored by Yale Nursing Students
for Choice and the Yale Medical Students for Choice, features several
events including a forum of women who have had abortions, a Master’s Tea
on the new rhetoric of the pro-life movement and > a workshop by
medical students on an abortion technique. < The week kicked off
Monday night with small gathering at the Women’s Center for a screening
of the film “The Education of Shelby Knox,” about a teenage girl who
campaigns for comprehensive sex education in her conservative Texas
town."
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"On Thursday, the Yale Medical Students for Choice will host workshop on
manual vacuum aspiration for medical students, using a papaya as a
uterine model. Manual vacuum aspiration is a surgical abortion method
that uses a syringe to remove the fetus from a woman’s uterus. Merritt
Evans MED ’09 said she thought it was important to have the workshop
because the procedure can be used for a variety of different purposes —
including miscarriage management and the treatment of a failed medical
abortion or ectopic pregnancy — and is inconsistently taught in medical
school.
While the workshop is targeted towards medical students, undergraduates
are also invited to attend.
**************** This is NOTHINIG like the suggested lie that this is a
class to teach abortion techniques to undergraduates!!!! *********
“The reason I wanted to include other people is that it is such a simple
procedure, but the media attention around it … makes this an emotionally
traumatic and a complicated thing,” Evans said. “It’s just to be like,
‘Here is what actually happens, here is what the medical procedure is
like, this is what an aborted yolk sac looks like.’ It looks like a piece
of cotton.” "
********Anti-abortinists have warped the realities of abortion and the
viability of a fetus (using invented or doctored claims and even movies).
This is merely an excercise to show the truth - and expose their PR
corrution and fraud. ****************
Of course, exposing the lies presented in the original article is just
another portion of that necessary action.
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07 Feb 2007 07:32:59 AM |
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In news:Xns98CFDFA34B006thetruthxohelpme@199.45.49.11,
...andnothingbut <thetruth@xohelpme..> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:KR5yh.2616$me.2592@bignews8.bellsouth.net:
In news:1170725332.478540.59600@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com,
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> typed:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1773374/posts
Abortion 101 at Yale (teaching non-medical students how to perform
abortions)
So, how is this gonna support all Pro-Choicers who call abortion a
medical procedure?
Seems to me that Pro-Choicers are their own worst enemies.
When will they stop changing?
Gee .....now there's a surprise ...
Anti-abortionists completely warping and distorting the facts, and
blatantly lying to smear and demonize.
From the Yale News (a cite refered to by the original article) . What
the Yale news states is NOTIHNG like what the anti-abortionist
bellowed.
http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/19548
"Roe v. Wade Week at Yale, which is co-sponsored by Yale Nursing
Students for Choice and the Yale Medical Students for Choice,
features several events including a forum of women who have had
abortions,
Which shows their non-inclusiveness.
a Master's Tea on the new rhetoric of the pro-life
movement and > a workshop by medical students on an abortion
technique. < The week kicked off Monday night with small
gathering at the Women's Center for a screening of the film "The
Education of Shelby Knox," about a teenage girl who campaigns for
comprehensive sex education in her conservative Texas town."
........................
"On Thursday, the Yale Medical Students for Choice will host workshop
on manual vacuum aspiration for medical students, using a papaya as a
uterine model. Manual vacuum aspiration is a surgical abortion method
that uses a syringe to remove the fetus from a woman's uterus. Merritt
Evans MED '09 said she thought it was important to have the workshop
because the procedure can be used for a variety of different purposes
- including miscarriage management and the treatment of a failed
medical abortion or ectopic pregnancy - and is inconsistently taught
in medical school.
While the workshop is targeted towards medical students,
undergraduates are also invited to attend.
**************** This is NOTHINIG like the suggested lie that this is
a class to teach abortion techniques to undergraduates!!!! *********
"The reason I wanted to include other people is that it is such a
simple procedure, but the media attention around it . makes this an
emotionally traumatic and a complicated thing," Evans said. "It's
just to be like, 'Here is what actually happens, here is what the
medical procedure is like, this is what an aborted yolk sac looks
like.' It looks like a piece of cotton." "
********Anti-abortinists have warped the realities of abortion and the
viability of a fetus (using invented or doctored claims and even
movies).
This is merely an excercise to show the truth - and expose their PR
corrution and fraud. ****************
Of course, exposing the lies presented in the original article is just
another portion of that necessary action.
*********************************************
Biased.
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07 Feb 2007 09:49:09 AM |
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On Feb 7, 8:32 am, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
Innews:Xns98CFDFA34B006thetruthxohelpme@199.45.49.11,
..andnothingbut <thetruth@xohelpme..> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:KR5yh.2616$me.2592@bignews8.bellsouth.net:
Innews:1170725332.478540.59600@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com,
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> typed:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1773374/posts
Abortion 101 at Yale (teaching non-medical students how to perform
abortions)
So, how is this gonna support all Pro-Choicers who call abortion a
medical procedure?
Seems to me that Pro-Choicers are their own worst enemies.
When will they stop changing?
Gee .....now there's a surprise ...
Anti-abortionists completely warping and distorting the facts, and
blatantly lying to smear and demonize.
From the Yale News (a cite refered to by the original article) . What
the Yale news states is NOTIHNG like what the anti-abortionist
bellowed.
http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/19548
"Roe v. Wade Week at Yale, which is co-sponsored by Yale Nursing
Students for Choice and the Yale Medical Students for Choice,
features several events including a forum of women who have had
abortions,
Which shows their non-inclusiveness.
How? Since only women have had abortions since only women can get
pregnant, there would be no way for them to invite men that have had
abortions. If you happen to know of any men that have been pregnant,
much less have had an abortion, I am sure that the Yale Medical school
would love to know about it.
Perhaps you can explain whom you think that they should have
included. They have no reason to include a workshop on men that have
had abortions since they could not find any. And since they are pro-
choice students, they have no reason to present any anti-choice
viewpoints except to debunk them.
a Master's Tea on the new rhetoric of the pro-life
movement and > a workshop by medical students on an abortion
technique. < The week kicked off Monday night with small
gathering at the Women's Center for a screening of the film "The
Education of Shelby Knox," about a teenage girl who campaigns for
comprehensive sex education in her conservative Texas town."
........................
"On Thursday, the Yale Medical Students for Choice will host workshop
on manual vacuum aspiration for medical students, using a papaya as a
uterine model. Manual vacuum aspiration is a surgical abortion method
that uses a syringe to remove the fetus from a woman's uterus. Merritt
Evans MED '09 said she thought it was important to have the workshop
because the procedure can be used for a variety of different purposes
- including miscarriage management and the treatment of a failed
medical abortion or ectopic pregnancy - and is inconsistently taught
in medical school.
While the workshop is targeted towards medical students,
undergraduates are also invited to attend.
**************** This is NOTHINIG like the suggested lie that this is
a class to teach abortion techniques to undergraduates!!!! *********
"The reason I wanted to include other people is that it is such a
simple procedure, but the media attention around it . makes this an
emotionally traumatic and a complicated thing," Evans said. "It's
just to be like, 'Here is what actually happens, here is what the
medical procedure is like, this is what an aborted yolk sac looks
like.' It looks like a piece of cotton." "
********Anti-abortinists have warped the realities of abortion and the
viability of a fetus (using invented or doctored claims and even
movies).
This is merely an excercise to show the truth - and expose their PR
corrution and fraud. ****************
Of course, exposing the lies presented in the original article is just
another portion of that necessary action.
*********************************************
Biased.
Only towards the truth and the facts, something that you seem to have
trouble with.
Mark Sebree
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| Title: Re: Abortion 101: Yale Teaching Non-Medical Students How To Perform Abortions |
07 Feb 2007 10:04:05 AM |
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In news:1170863349.846592.51570@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> typed:
On Feb 7, 8:32 am, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
Innews:Xns98CFDFA34B006thetruthxohelpme@199.45.49.11,
..andnothingbut <thetruth@xohelpme..> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:KR5yh.2616$me.2592@bignews8.bellsouth.net:
Innews:1170725332.478540.59600@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com,
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> typed:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1773374/posts
Abortion 101 at Yale (teaching non-medical students how to perform
abortions)
So, how is this gonna support all Pro-Choicers who call abortion a
medical procedure?
Seems to me that Pro-Choicers are their own worst enemies.
When will they stop changing?
Gee .....now there's a surprise ...
Anti-abortionists completely warping and distorting the facts, and
blatantly lying to smear and demonize.
From the Yale News (a cite refered to by the original article) .
What the Yale news states is NOTIHNG like what the anti-abortionist
bellowed.
http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/19548
"Roe v. Wade Week at Yale, which is co-sponsored by Yale Nursing
Students for Choice and the Yale Medical Students for Choice,
features several events including a forum of women who have had
abortions,
Which shows their non-inclusiveness.
How? Since only women have had abortions since only women can get
pregnant, there would be no way for them to invite men that have had
abortions. If you happen to know of any men that have been pregnant,
much less have had an abortion, I am sure that the Yale Medical school
would love to know about it.
Women who have had abortions does not include women who did not have
abortions.
That is non-inclusive.
Perhaps you can explain whom you think that they should have
included. They have no reason to include a workshop on men that have
had abortions since they could not find any. And since they are pro-
choice students, they have no reason to present any anti-choice
viewpoints except to debunk them.
Since you mention that the forum did not include men, you show even more
non-inclusiveness of this group.
a Master's Tea on the new rhetoric of the pro-life
movement and > a workshop by medical students on an abortion
technique. < The week kicked off Monday night with small
gathering at the Women's Center for a screening of the film "The
Education of Shelby Knox," about a teenage girl who campaigns for
comprehensive sex education in her conservative Texas town."
........................
"On Thursday, the Yale Medical Students for Choice will host
workshop on manual vacuum aspiration for medical students, using a
papaya as a uterine model. Manual vacuum aspiration is a surgical
abortion method that uses a syringe to remove the fetus from a
woman's uterus. Merritt Evans MED '09 said she thought it was
important to have the workshop because the procedure can be used
for a variety of different purposes - including miscarriage
management and the treatment of a failed medical abortion or
ectopic pregnancy - and is inconsistently taught in medical school.
While the workshop is targeted towards medical students,
undergraduates are also invited to attend.
**************** This is NOTHINIG like the suggested lie that this
is a class to teach abortion techniques to undergraduates!!!!
*********
"The reason I wanted to include other people is that it is such a
simple procedure, but the media attention around it . makes this an
emotionally traumatic and a complicated thing," Evans said. "It's
just to be like, 'Here is what actually happens, here is what the
medical procedure is like, this is what an aborted yolk sac looks
like.' It looks like a piece of cotton." "
********Anti-abortinists have warped the realities of abortion and
the viability of a fetus (using invented or doctored claims and even
movies).
This is merely an excercise to show the truth - and expose their PR
corrution and fraud. ****************
Of course, exposing the lies presented in the original article is
just another portion of that necessary action.
*********************************************
Biased.
Only towards the truth and the facts, something that you seem to have
trouble with.
The forum was non-inclusive.
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| Title: Re: Abortion 101: Yale Teaching Non-Medical Students How To Perform Abortions |
07 Feb 2007 11:07:11 AM |
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For the life of me, I can't figure out why you have a problem with who
was included. Would you be so up in arms about a panel of cancer
survivors that didn't include people who had never had cancer? A
panel of rape victims that didn't include people who had never been
raped? A panel of Christian pastors that didn't include atheists? A
panel of parents that didn't include childfree people? What possible
reason could there be to include people who had never had an abortion
in a panel of women who have had abortions? *Not* having had an
abortion was not the topic of discussion. The panel had absolutely
nothing to do with people who have not had abortions. So why on earth
would anyone expect that people who have not had abortions would be
included?
On Feb 7, 8:04 am, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
Innews:1170863349.846592.51570@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net> typed:
On Feb 7, 8:32 am, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
Innews:Xns98CFDFA34B006thetruthxohelpme@199.45.49.11,
..andnothingbut <thetruth@xohelpme..> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:KR5yh.2616$me.2592@bignews8.bellsouth.net:
Innews:1170725332.478540.59600@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com,
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> typed:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1773374/posts
Abortion 101 at Yale (teaching non-medical students how to perform
abortions)
So, how is this gonna support all Pro-Choicers who call abortion a
medical procedure?
Seems to me that Pro-Choicers are their own worst enemies.
When will they stop changing?
Gee .....now there's a surprise ...
Anti-abortionists completely warping and distorting the facts, and
blatantly lying to smear and demonize.
From the Yale News (a cite refered to by the original article) .
What the Yale news states is NOTIHNG like what the anti-abortionist
bellowed.
http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/19548
"Roe v. Wade Week at Yale, which is co-sponsored by Yale Nursing
Students for Choice and the Yale Medical Students for Choice,
features several events including a forum of women who have had
abortions,
Which shows their non-inclusiveness.
How? Since only women have had abortions since only women can get
pregnant, there would be no way for them to invite men that have had
abortions. If you happen to know of any men that have been pregnant,
much less have had an abortion, I am sure that the Yale Medical school
would love to know about it.
Women who have had abortions does not include women who did not have
abortions.
That is non-inclusive.
Perhaps you can explain whom you think that they should have
included. They have no reason to include a workshop on men that have
had abortions since they could not find any. And since they are pro-
choice students, they have no reason to present any anti-choice
viewpoints except to debunk them.
Since you mention that the forum did not include men, you show even more
non-inclusiveness of this group.
a Master's Tea on the new rhetoric of the pro-life
movement and > a workshop by medical students on an abortion
technique. < The week kicked off Monday night with small
gathering at the Women's Center for a screening of the film "The
Education of Shelby Knox," about a teenage girl who campaigns for
comprehensive sex education in her conservative Texas town."
........................
"On Thursday, the Yale Medical Students for Choice will host
workshop on manual vacuum aspiration for medical students, using a
papaya as a uterine model. Manual vacuum aspiration is a surgical
abortion method that uses a syringe to remove the fetus from a
woman's uterus. Merritt Evans MED '09 said she thought it was
important to have the workshop because the procedure can be used
for a variety of different purposes - including miscarriage
management and the treatment of a failed medical abortion or
ectopic pregnancy - and is inconsistently taught in medical school.
While the workshop is targeted towards medical students,
undergraduates are also invited to attend.
**************** This is NOTHINIG like the suggested lie that this
is a class to teach abortion techniques to undergraduates!!!!
*********
"The reason I wanted to include other people is that it is such a
simple procedure, but the media attention around it . makes this an
emotionally traumatic and a complicated thing," Evans said. "It's
just to be like, 'Here is what actually happens, here is what the
medical procedure is like, this is what an aborted yolk sac looks
like.' It looks like a piece of cotton." "
********Anti-abortinists have warped the realities of abortion and
the viability of a fetus (using invented or doctored claims and even
movies).
This is merely an excercise to show the truth - and expose their PR
corrution and fraud. ****************
Of course, exposing the lies presented in the original article is
just another portion of that necessary action.
*********************************************
Biased.
Only towards the truth and the facts, something that you seem to have
trouble with.
The forum was non-inclusive.
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| Title: Re: Abortion 101: Yale Teaching Non-Medical Students How To Perform Abortions |
07 Feb 2007 02:39:47 PM |
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On Feb 7, 11:04 am, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
Innews:1170863349.846592.51570@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net> typed:
On Feb 7, 8:32 am, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
Innews:Xns98CFDFA34B006thetruthxohelpme@199.45.49.11,
..andnothingbut <thetruth@xohelpme..> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:KR5yh.2616$me.2592@bignews8.bellsouth.net:
Innews:1170725332.478540.59600@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com,
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> typed:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1773374/posts
Abortion 101 at Yale (teaching non-medical students how to perform
abortions)
So, how is this gonna support all Pro-Choicers who call abortion a
medical procedure?
Seems to me that Pro-Choicers are their own worst enemies.
When will they stop changing?
Gee .....now there's a surprise ...
Anti-abortionists completely warping and distorting the facts, and
blatantly lying to smear and demonize.
From the Yale News (a cite refered to by the original article) .
What the Yale news states is NOTIHNG like what the anti-abortionist
bellowed.
http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/19548
"Roe v. Wade Week at Yale, which is co-sponsored by Yale Nursing
Students for Choice and the Yale Medical Students for Choice,
features several events including a forum of women who have had
abortions,
Which shows their non-inclusiveness.
How? Since only women have had abortions since only women can get
pregnant, there would be no way for them to invite men that have had
abortions. If you happen to know of any men that have been pregnant,
much less have had an abortion, I am sure that the Yale Medical school
would love to know about it.
Women who have had abortions does not include women who did not have
abortions.
That is non-inclusive.
The reason that they are not included is that they are not needed, nor
are they the subject of the forum. There will be plenty of women like
that in the audience in any case, so they are included and their
opinions can be heard.
Forums are not required to be all-inclusive in any case, which is what
you are demanding. I notice that you do not have the same
requirements for anti-choice forums as evidenced by your lack of
demands to them to include things that are not proper subjects and
invitees for such forums.
Perhaps you can explain whom you think that they should have
included. They have no reason to include a workshop on men that have
had abortions since they could not find any. And since they are pro-
choice students, they have no reason to present any anti-choice
viewpoints except to debunk them.
Since you mention that the forum did not include men, you show even more
non-inclusiveness of this group.
There is no problem with men being in the audience and asking
questions. Men were not included in the panel because the organizers
know of no men that have had abortions. If you happen to know of any,
let them know.
a Master's Tea on the new rhetoric of the pro-life
movement and > a workshop by medical students on an abortion
technique. < The week kicked off Monday night with small
gathering at the Women's Center for a screening of the film "The
Education of Shelby Knox," about a teenage girl who campaigns for
comprehensive sex education in her conservative Texas town."
........................
"On Thursday, the Yale Medical Students for Choice will host
workshop on manual vacuum aspiration for medical students, using a
papaya as a uterine model. Manual vacuum aspiration is a surgical
abortion method that uses a syringe to remove the fetus from a
woman's uterus. Merritt Evans MED '09 said she thought it was
important to have the workshop because the procedure can be used
for a variety of different purposes - including miscarriage
management and the treatment of a failed medical abortion or
ectopic pregnancy - and is inconsistently taught in medical school.
While the workshop is targeted towards medical students,
undergraduates are also invited to attend.
**************** This is NOTHINIG like the suggested lie that this
is a class to teach abortion techniques to undergraduates!!!!
*********
"The reason I wanted to include other people is that it is such a
simple procedure, but the media attention around it . makes this an
emotionally traumatic and a complicated thing," Evans said. "It's
just to be like, 'Here is what actually happens, here is what the
medical procedure is like, this is what an aborted yolk sac looks
like.' It looks like a piece of cotton." "
********Anti-abortinists have warped the realities of abortion and
the viability of a fetus (using invented or doctored claims and even
movies).
This is merely an excercise to show the truth - and expose their PR
corrution and fraud. ****************
Of course, exposing the lies presented in the original article is
just another portion of that necessary action.
*********************************************
Biased.
Only towards the truth and the facts, something that you seem to have
trouble with.
The forum was non-inclusive.
The forum includes the people that are most qualified to speak on the
experience of having an abortion, namely the women that have had
them. They are including the people that are most appropriate to
include for the forum's subject. There is no requirement for them to
be all-inclusive.
And by the way, the forum IS inclusive. Your inability to use a
dictionary does not require anyone else to accept your faulty
definitions. If you claim that not everyone that should be included
in the forum's panel is being included, then you have to support that
by naming whom is excluded and state why they should be included. You
have not done this yet.
Here is the definition of inclusive from Dictionary.com, by the way:
"including a great deal, or including everything concerned;
comprehensive"
"including much or everything; and especially including stated limits"
The stated limits of the forum's panel are women that have had
abortions. Thus their panel is inclusive within the stated limits.
You might have a case if you could show that men that have had
abortions are being purposefully being excluded, but before you could
do that you have to show that men have had abortions. Excluding
something that does not exist is meaningless. You could not include
it if you wanted to.
To support your assertion that the forum panel is "non-inclusive", you
MUST state whom is being excluded and why they should be included.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion 101: Yale Teaching Non-Medical Students How To Perform Abortions |
08 Feb 2007 07:50:27 PM |
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In news:1170880787.259706.174800@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> typed:
On Feb 7, 11:04 am, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
Innews:1170863349.846592.51570@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net> typed:
On Feb 7, 8:32 am, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
Innews:Xns98CFDFA34B006thetruthxohelpme@199.45.49.11,
..andnothingbut <thetruth@xohelpme..> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:KR5yh.2616$me.2592@bignews8.bellsouth.net:
Innews:1170725332.478540.59600@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com,
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> typed:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1773374/posts
Abortion 101 at Yale (teaching non-medical students how to
perform abortions)
So, how is this gonna support all Pro-Choicers who call abortion
a medical procedure?
Seems to me that Pro-Choicers are their own worst enemies.
When will they stop changing?
Gee .....now there's a surprise ...
Anti-abortionists completely warping and distorting the facts, and
blatantly lying to smear and demonize.
From the Yale News (a cite refered to by the original article) .
What the Yale news states is NOTIHNG like what the
anti-abortionist bellowed.
http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/19548
"Roe v. Wade Week at Yale, which is co-sponsored by Yale Nursing
Students for Choice and the Yale Medical Students for Choice,
features several events including a forum of women who have had
abortions,
Which shows their non-inclusiveness.
How? Since only women have had abortions since only women can get
pregnant, there would be no way for them to invite men that have had
abortions. If you happen to know of any men that have been
pregnant, much less have had an abortion, I am sure that the Yale
Medical school would love to know about it.
Women who have had abortions does not include women who did not have
abortions.
That is non-inclusive.
The reason that they are not included is that they are not needed,
Non-inclusiveness.
nor are they the subject of the forum.
A non-inclusive forum.
There will be plenty of women like
that in the audience in any case, so they are included and their
opinions can be heard.
But are they included on the panel?
LOL!
Forums are not required to be all-inclusive in any case, which is what
you are demanding.
Demanding?
Are you showing us your lack of tolerance and your non-inclusive prejudice?
I notice that you do not have the same
requirements for anti-choice forums as evidenced by your lack of
demands to them to include things that are not proper subjects and
invitees for such forums.
Choice excludes women who did not have abortions?
Is that your power of Choice you lvoe so much?
The choice to exclude people from a forum seat?
Perhaps you can explain whom you think that they should have
included. They have no reason to include a workshop on men that
have had abortions since they could not find any. And since they
are pro- choice students, they have no reason to present any
anti-choice viewpoints except to debunk them.
Since you mention that the forum did not include men, you show even
more non-inclusiveness of this group.
There is no problem with men being in the audience and asking
questions.
Meaning all you want is a bunch of women who had abortions controlling the
entire discussion?
LOL!
Non-inclusive, bigtime.
Men were not included in the panel because the organizers
know of no men that have had abortions.
Irrelevant to non-discrimination on the basis of gender.
If you happen to know of any,
let them know.
Why?
The law forbids discrimination on the basis of gender in many many areas.
a Master's Tea on the new rhetoric of the pro-life
movement and > a workshop by medical students on an abortion
technique. < The week kicked off Monday night with small
gathering at the Women's Center for a screening of the film "The
Education of Shelby Knox," about a teenage girl who campaigns for
comprehensive sex education in her conservative Texas town."
........................
"On Thursday, the Yale Medical Students for Choice will host
workshop on manual vacuum aspiration for medical students, using a
papaya as a uterine model. Manual vacuum aspiration is a surgical
abortion method that uses a syringe to remove the fetus from a
woman's uterus. Merritt Evans MED '09 said she thought it was
important to have the workshop because the procedure can be used
for a variety of different purposes - including miscarriage
management and the treatment of a failed medical abortion or
ectopic pregnancy - and is inconsistently taught in medical
school.
While the workshop is targeted towards medical students,
undergraduates are also invited to attend.
**************** This is NOTHINIG like the suggested lie that this
is a class to teach abortion techniques to undergraduates!!!!
*********
"The reason I wanted to include other people is that it is such a
simple procedure, but the media attention around it . makes this
an emotionally traumatic and a complicated thing," Evans said.
"It's just to be like, 'Here is what actually happens, here is
what the medical procedure is like, this is what an aborted yolk
sac looks like.' It looks like a piece of cotton." "
********Anti-abortinists have warped the realities of abortion and
the viability of a fetus (using invented or doctored claims and
even movies).
This is merely an excercise to show the truth - and expose their
PR corrution and fraud. ****************
Of course, exposing the lies presented in the original article is
just another portion of that necessary action.
*********************************************
Biased.
Only towards the truth and the facts, something that you seem to
have trouble with.
The forum was non-inclusive.
The forum includes the people that are most qualified to speak on the
experience of having an abortion, namely the women that have had
them.
But, not all people are so direly interested in this issue or so desperately
prejudiced that they need to exclude such a vast proportion of our populace
from being represented on the forum board.
They are including the people that are most appropriate to
include for the forum's subject. There is no requirement for them to
be all-inclusive.
Other than their self-proclaimed tolerance and inclusiveness agenda. huh?
LOL!
And by the way, the forum IS inclusive. Your inability to use a
dictionary does not require anyone else to accept your faulty
definitions.
What you hate is the fact that you know it is easy for people to detect the
hypocrisy in your allegiance.
If you claim that not everyone that should be included
in the forum's panel is being included, then you have to support that
by naming whom is excluded and state why they should be included. You
have not done this yet.
The panel is composed of who, again?
Here is the definition of inclusive from Dictionary.com, by the way:
"including a great deal, or including everything concerned;
comprehensive"
"including much or everything; and especially including stated limits"
The stated limits of the forum's panel are women that have had
abortions. Thus their panel is inclusive within the stated limits.
So, what it turns into is a group of women who have had abortions, huh, and
no one else wants to even be there.
You might have a case if you could show that men that have had
abortions
Irrelevant, and every pregnancy that was aborted involved a male somehow.
are being purposefully being excluded, but before you could
do that you have to show that men have had abortions. Excluding
something that does not exist is meaningless. You could not include
it if you wanted to.
I guess you just can't wean off that porno bukkake squad on tax dollars
agenda in SK, huh?
To support your assertion that the forum panel is "non-inclusive", you
MUST state whom is being excluded and why they should be included.
Why must I state it when it is already posted?
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion 101: Yale Teaching Non-Medical Students How To Perform Abortions |
08 Feb 2007 10:45:50 PM |
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On Feb 8, 8:50 pm, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
Innews:1170880787.259706.174800@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net> typed:
On Feb 7, 11:04 am, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
Innews:1170863349.846592.51570@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net> typed:
On Feb 7, 8:32 am, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
Innews:Xns98CFDFA34B006thetruthxohelpme@199.45.49.11,
..andnothingbut <thetruth@xohelpme..> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:KR5yh.2616$me.2592@bignews8.bellsouth.net:
Innews:1170725332.478540.59600@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com,
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> typed:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1773374/posts
Abortion 101 at Yale (teaching non-medical students how to
perform abortions)
So, how is this gonna support all Pro-Choicers who call abortion
a medical procedure?
Seems to me that Pro-Choicers are their own worst enemies.
When will they stop changing?
Gee .....now there's a surprise ...
Anti-abortionists completely warping and distorting the facts, and
blatantly lying to smear and demonize.
From the Yale News (a cite refered to by the original article) .
What the Yale news states is NOTIHNG like what the
anti-abortionist bellowed.
http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/19548
"Roe v. Wade Week at Yale, which is co-sponsored by Yale Nursing
Students for Choice and the Yale Medical Students for Choice,
features several events including a forum of women who have had
abortions,
Which shows their non-inclusiveness.
How? Since only women have had abortions since only women can get
pregnant, there would be no way for them to invite men that have had
abortions. If you happen to know of any men that have been
pregnant, much less have had an abortion, I am sure that the Yale
Medical school would love to know about it.
Women who have had abortions does not include women who did not have
abortions.
That is non-inclusive.
The reason that they are not included is that they are not needed,
Non-inclusiveness.
Incorrect. The forum include the proper people for its scope.
nor are they the subject of the forum.
A non-inclusive forum.
Prove it. The form includes the people appropriate for its scope,
thus it is inclusive.
There will be plenty of women like
that in the audience in any case, so they are included and their
opinions can be heard.
But are they included on the panel?
No, because they would not be able to answer questions about their
experiences at having had an abortion. That is the purpose of the
forum in the first place. Their first question would be their last,
since they would not be able to answer it in an informative manner.
That would be like asking you to sit on a panel made up of women that
have given birth. You would serve no purpose there.
LOL!
Only at your idiocy.
Forums are not required to be all-inclusive in any case, which is what
you are demanding.
Demanding?
Yes. You are criticizing the forum for not including panel members
that have no reason to be included.
Are you showing us your lack of tolerance and your non-inclusive prejudice?
No, but you are. Unlike you, I am very tolerant and not significantly
prejudiced. Unlike you, I understand that only people that can
actually be informative about the subject of the panel discussion
should be included as members of the panel.
I notice that you do not have the same
requirements for anti-choice forums as evidenced by your lack of
demands to them to include things that are not proper subjects and
invitees for such forums.
Choice excludes women who did not have abortions?
No, it does not. Women that are pregnant have a choice to continue
their pregnancies or to end them via an abortion. Choice includes
women that have never had an abortion because the choice to continue
her pregnancy was hers, not someone else's.
The purpose of the forum was to tell people, mostly women and medical
students, about an abortion and what it is like for the woman. Women
that have not had an abortion cannot relate their experiences with
having an abortion, and thus are not valid members of such a panel.
Is that your power of Choice you lvoe so much?
You cannot seem to comprehend what the "power of choice" is. You also
cannot seem to comprehend how panel members of a forum discussion are
chosen and why they are chosen.
The choice to exclude people from a forum seat?
That is a choice given under the First Amendment's Right to Freedom of
Speech.
Perhaps you can explain whom you think that they should have
included. They have no reason to include a workshop on men that
have had abortions since they could not find any. And since they
are pro- choice students, they have no reason to present any
anti-choice viewpoints except to debunk them.
Since you mention that the forum did not include men, you show even
more non-inclusiveness of this group.
There is no problem with men being in the audience and asking
questions.
Meaning all you want is a bunch of women who had abortions controlling the
entire discussion?
What I want is not the issue, since I have never even been close to
the Yale campus, to the best of my knowledge, much less been a medical
student there.
The purpose of the forum is to answer question about the experiences
that women have had getting an abortion. Since men cannot get
pregnant, men cannot get abortions, and thus they cannot relate any
experiences that they have had in getting one.
Apparently, you have a problem with the people that are most
knowledgeable about a subject answering questions with respect to that
subject.
LOL!
Non-inclusive, bigtime.
Highly inclusive, despite your delusions. You just do not understand
the meaning of "inclusive".
If you think that the forum in non-inclusive, then YOU have to prove
it by showing that they are excluding people that should be
represented on the panel given the subject of the forum.
Men were not included in the panel because the organizers
know of no men that have had abortions.
Irrelevant to non-discrimination on the basis of gender.
Not at all. There is no discrimination on the basis of gender. The
type of people that they wanted on the panel were those that have had
abortions and were willing to talk about their experiences. The fact
that they could only find women that have had abortions is not any
fault of their own.
If you happen to know of any,
let them know.
Why?
First, because a school of medical students, doctors, and professors
would love to get their hands on a man that is or was pregnant.
Second, such a man would instantly become famous, and likely rich.
From the book and movie deals if nothing else. And third, so that he
could be included in the panel, which is what you seem to want in the
first place.
The law forbids discrimination on the basis of gender in many many areas.
But not in areas where there are clear biological differences which
necessitate differentiation in the law, usually based on gender. For
example, laws dealing with pregnancy and abortion are written with
only the woman in mind because only women can be pregnant.
a Master's Tea on the new rhetoric of the pro-life
movement and > a workshop by medical students on an abortion
technique. < The week kicked off Monday night with small
gathering at the Women's Center for a screening of the film "The
Education of Shelby Knox," about a teenage girl who campaigns for
comprehensive sex education in her conservative Texas town."
........................
"On Thursday, the Yale Medical Students for Choice will host
workshop on manual vacuum aspiration for medical students, using a
papaya as a uterine model. Manual vacuum aspiration is a surgical
abortion method that uses a syringe to remove the fetus from a
woman's uterus. Merritt Evans MED '09 said she thought it was
important to have the workshop because the procedure can be used
for a variety of different purposes - including miscarriage
management and the treatment of a failed medical abortion or
ectopic pregnancy - and is inconsistently taught in medical
school.
While the workshop is targeted towards medical students,
undergraduates are also invited to attend.
**************** This is NOTHINIG like the suggested lie that this
is a class to teach abortion techniques to undergraduates!!!!
*********
"The reason I wanted to include other people is that it is such a
simple procedure, but the media attention around it . makes this
an emotionally traumatic and a complicated thing," Evans said.
"It's just to be like, 'Here is what actually happens, here is
what the medical procedure is like, this is what an aborted yolk
sac looks like.' It looks like a piece of cotton." "
********Anti-abortinists have warped the realities of abortion and
the viability of a fetus (using invented or doctored claims and
even movies).
This is merely an excercise to show the truth - and expose their
PR corrution and fraud. ****************
Of course, exposing the lies presented in the original article is
just another portion of that necessary action.
*********************************************
Biased.
Only towards the truth and the facts, something that you seem to
have trouble with.
The forum was non-inclusive.
The forum includes the people that are most qualified to speak on the
experience of having an abortion, namely the women that have had
them.
But, not all people are so direly interested in this issue or so desperately
prejudiced that they need to exclude such a vast proportion of our populace
from being represented on the forum board.
The vast majority of the population is not qualified to speak as a
panel member about their experiences with having had an abortion. And
the participation in the forum is voluntary to start with for both the
panel and the audience, so only interested people will be there.
The only person showing any prejudice is you in any case. You seem to
want the panel filled with people that know nothing about the subject
that they are supposed to talk about.
They are including the people that are most appropriate to
include for the forum's subject. There is no requirement for them to
be all-inclusive.
Other than their self-proclaimed tolerance and inclusiveness agenda. huh?
LOL!
The people that need to be included are included. And they are
showing more tolerance than you can comprehend.
And by the way, the forum IS inclusive. Your inability to use a
dictionary does not require anyone else to accept your faulty
definitions.
What you hate is the fact that you know it is easy for people to detect the
hypocrisy in your allegiance.
They cannot detect what is not there. The "hatred" that you think I
have and the "hypocrisy" that you see only exists inside your head.
My statement stands as unchallenged. The forum in inclusive because
it is including the people that it needs to include. Your delusions
do not require others that are vastly more intelligent than you to
submit to your delusions.
If you claim that not everyone that should be included
in the forum's panel is being included, then you have to support that
by naming whom is excluded and state why they should be included. You
have not done this yet.
The panel is composed of who, again?
From the cited article in the Yale Daily News:
"including a forum of women who have had abortions,"
Do try to remember what the discussion is about. If you know of any
men that have had an abortion, which means knowing of any men that
have been pregnant, then you should let THEM (i.e. the Yale Medical
School) know. They would be most interested in the information.
If they know of no men that have had an abortion, then they cannot be
faulted for not including such men in their forum panel.
Here is the definition of inclusive from Dictionary.com, by the way:
"including a great deal, or including everything concerned;
comprehensive"
"including much or everything; and especially including stated limits"
The stated limits of the forum's panel are women that have had
abortions. Thus their panel is inclusive within the stated limits.
So, what it turns into is a group of women who have had abortions,
Because that is who is on the panel, and they are the ones that know
what it is like to have an abortion.
huh, and
no one else wants to even be there.
Unlikely. Yale is an Ivy League School, which means that it is in the
NorthEast, liberal, and the students are highly intelligent. Such
events are planned well in advance and well advertised among the
student body. The event is open to grad students and underclassmen
alike, and all are invited. In all likelihood, they got a reasonable
turnout. Attendance is voluntary, so anyone in the audience wants to
be there. That is the way most forum discussions work, after all.
You might have a case if you could show that men that have had
abortions
Irrelevant,
Completely relevant, since men cannot get abortions. You have just
been trapped by your own arguments, and you have lost.
and every pregnancy that was aborted involved a male somehow.
No, it has not. Men cannot get pregnant, so they cannot get an
abortion. And since only women can get pregnant, they are the last
and only ones to have a say in whether or not they continue their
pregnancy or get an abortion. Nobody, man or woman, has any right to
demand that they sacrifice anything or allow anything to use their
bodies against their wills.
are being purposefully being excluded, but before you could
do that you have to show that men have had abortions. Excluding
something that does not exist is meaningless. You could not include
it if you wanted to.
I guess you just can't wean off that porno bukkake squad on tax dollars
agenda in SK, huh?
No idea what you are talking about. Your delusion has nothing to do
with the discussion and debate.
No such thing as a "porno bukkake squad on tax dollars agenda in SK"
even exists except in your imagination.
To support your assertion that the forum panel is "non-inclusive", you
MUST state whom is being excluded and why they should be included.
Why must I state it when it is already posted?
Because you have not yet posted that information. Your assertions
have all either not been supported by you or they have been shown to
be meaningless. Usually both.
You need to show that some group of people that should be on a panel
of people that have had an abortion procedure performed on them are
being excluded from the panel mentioned in the Yale Daily News, and
explain clearly and completely why they should be on such a panel.
You have not yet done so. What you have done is state that people
that have no business being on such a panel should have been included,
which would have been stupid of the forum organizers.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion 101: Yale Teaching Non-Medical Students How To Perform Abortions |
09 Feb 2007 10:32:04 AM |
|
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In news:1170996350.669603.33390@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com,
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> typed:
On Feb 8, 8:50 pm, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
Innews:1170880787.259706.174800@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net> typed:
On Feb 7, 11:04 am, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Innews:1170863349.846592.51570@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net> typed:
On Feb 7, 8:32 am, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Innews:Xns98CFDFA34B006thetruthxohelpme@199.45.49.11,
..andnothingbut <thetruth@xohelpme..> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:KR5yh.2616$me.2592@bignews8.bellsouth.net:
Innews:1170725332.478540.59600@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com,
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> typed:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1773374/posts
Abortion 101 at Yale (teaching non-medical students how to
perform abortions)
So, how is this gonna support all Pro-Choicers who call
abortion a medical procedure?
Seems to me that Pro-Choicers are their own worst enemies.
When will they stop changing?
Gee .....now there's a surprise ...
Anti-abortionists completely warping and distorting the facts,
and blatantly lying to smear and demonize.
From the Yale News (a cite refered to by the original article) .
What the Yale news states is NOTIHNG like what the
anti-abortionist bellowed.
http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/19548
"Roe v. Wade Week at Yale, which is co-sponsored by Yale Nursing
Students for Choice and the Yale Medical Students for Choice,
features several events including a forum of women who have had
abortions,
Which shows their non-inclusiveness.
How? Since only women have had abortions since only women can get
pregnant, there would be no way for them to invite men that have
had abortions. If you happen to know of any men that have been
pregnant, much less have had an abortion, I am sure that the Yale
Medical school would love to know about it.
Women who have had abortions does not include women who did not
have abortions.
That is non-inclusive.
The reason that they are not included is that they are not needed,
Non-inclusiveness.
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