Religions > Atheism > Abortion Has a Damaging Psychological Effect says Psychiatrist
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Abortion Has a Damaging Psychological Effect says Psychiatrist |
This is what the "pro-choice" advocates never tell these young women
who seek counsel. "Pro-life" understands the torment and explains this
dark secret to women. This is why "pro-life" can proudly say that they
are "pro-women". It's not just about saving the baby's life.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/mar/05032905.html
Abortion Has a Damaging Psychological Effect says Psychiatrist
TORONTO, March 29, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a letter published in
the National Post yesterday, Toronto psychiatrist Dr. Joseph Berger
attests that, even "years after abortion," a "profound sense of loss"
and regret still remain for most women.
"In more than 30 years of clinical practice as a psychiatrist, I have
not come across an adult woman who, years after having had an abortion,
has not had deep regrets, sadness and often a profound sense of loss,
especially if she has not had any children," said Dr. Joseph Berger.
Research conducted by the Elliott Institute's David Reardon, and other
researchers have found a significant increase in mental illness in
women with a previous history of abortion. In 2003, the Elliott
Institute team of researchers conducted a study measuring the incidence
of hospital admissions for mental health reasons, comparing women with
a previous history of abortion to those who had given birth to live
children. The study found a doubling of hospital admissions for mental
illness, and three times the rate of bipolar disorder in women with
previous histories of abortion.
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| User: "Loose Cannon" |
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30 Mar 2005 10:51:47 AM |
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"J Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
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This is what the "pro-choice" advocates never tell these young women
who seek counsel. "Pro-life" understands the torment and explains this
dark secret to women. This is why "pro-life" can proudly say that they
are "pro-women". It's not just about saving the baby's life.
Another moronic post from IBen. <yawn>
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/mar/05032905.html
A pro-lie website. How surprising.
Abortion Has a Damaging Psychological Effect says Psychiatrist
TORONTO, March 29, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a letter published in
the National Post yesterday, Toronto psychiatrist Dr. Joseph Berger
attests that, even "years after abortion," a "profound sense of loss"
and regret still remain for most women.
"In more than 30 years of clinical practice as a psychiatrist, I have
not come across an adult woman who, years after having had an abortion,
has not had deep regrets, sadness and often a profound sense of loss,
especially if she has not had any children," said Dr. Joseph Berger.
You don't suppose Berger has an axe to grind, do you, IBen?:
"...in my 20 years of psychiatry I have never across anyone with "innate
homosexuality". That notion has been a long-proclaimed gay activist
political position, intended to promote the acceptance of homosexuality as
a healthy, fully equal, alternative expression of human sexuality".-Joseph
Berger, MD, Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, University of Toronto.
Research conducted by the Elliott Institute's David Reardon, and other
researchers have found a significant increase in mental illness in
women with a previous history of abortion. In 2003, the Elliott
Institute team of researchers conducted a study measuring the incidence
of hospital admissions for mental health reasons, comparing women with
a previous history of abortion to those who had given birth to live
children. The study found a doubling of hospital admissions for mental
illness, and three times the rate of bipolar disorder in women with
previous histories of abortion.
David Reardon? You don't actually read <talk.abortion> do you, IBen?
If you did, you'd know that nut has been thoroughly discredited.
Kind of like you:
From: "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@AOL.com>
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: "In The Womb: Tonite at 8:00 EST.
Date: 6 Mar 2005 16:28:04 -0800
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From: "J Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com>
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Abortion Has a Damaging Psychological Effect says Psychiatrist
Date: 30 Mar 2005 08:23:30 -0800
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LC~ Notes "Jon" has returned to an old addy. Bring back "IBen", Jon. At
least he's entertaining.
"Let it be know that I'm PROUD to proclaim my HATRED for QUEERS, CHILD
KILLERS and NIGGERS of ALL colours. I can't think of three more worthy
enemies. You got that...? I'm PROUD to hate faggots, abortionists and
negroes. They ALL are a POX upon the ***** of humanity. I can't wait to see
them (and their supporters like YOU) ROAST in hell!"~ "IBen/Jon
Young", feeling his Kristian love, in Message-ID:
<20040727045300.04588.00002036@mb-m10.aol.com>
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30 Mar 2005 10:57:31 AM |
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"J Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
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This is what the "pro-choice" advocates never tell these young women
who seek counsel. "Pro-life" understands the torment and explains this
dark secret to women. This is why "pro-life" can proudly say that they
are "pro-women". It's not just about saving the baby's life.
Guess you don't know anything about the psychological damage that is often
involved when relinquishing a baby to adoption, huh?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "GlennGlenn" |
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30 Mar 2005 06:38:07 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"J Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:1112199810.771266.240000@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
This is what the "pro-choice" advocates never tell these young women
who seek counsel. "Pro-life" understands the torment and explains this
dark secret to women. This is why "pro-life" can proudly say that they
are "pro-women". It's not just about saving the baby's life.
Guess you don't know anything about the psychological damage that is often
involved when relinquishing a baby to adoption, huh?
Here's a useful link in response to this kind of tripe:
http://imnotsorry.net/
GlennGlenn
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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26 Apr 2005 06:50:40 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
Guess you don't know anything about the psychological damage that is
often involved when relinquishing a baby to adoption, huh?
Not to mention the psychological damage caused by having to raise a kid
you don't want but were forced to keep. <Shudder> Not to mention the
deleterious effect on said kid.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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30 Mar 2005 12:38:57 PM |
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"J Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:1112199810.771266.240000@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
This is what the "pro-choice" advocates never tell these young women
who seek counsel.
That being an outright lie - what else have you got?
-Jeff
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| User: "Rally" |
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30 Mar 2005 11:02:57 AM |
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"J Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:1112199810.771266.240000@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
This is what the "pro-choice" advocates never tell these young women
who seek counsel. "Pro-life" understands the torment and explains this
dark secret to women. This is why "pro-life" can proudly say that they
are "pro-women". It's not just about saving the baby's life.
"...dark secret..."?
Do you think there's some sort of conspiracy to keep the fact that
there's an emotional side to an abortion away from the person
experiencing the emotions of an abortion?
What you are trying to accomplish here is obvious. What you are
using to try and accomplish it is "beyond-viagra" flaccid. Women are
counseled prior to having the procedure done. To make abortion illegal
would remove any professional help a woman would want/need when they
seek out an abortion.
It's none of my business anyway if a woman wants an abortion or not,
but I certainly don't want to allow women who seek one to be in any
physical danger as they would be if the procedure were illegal. So why
don't you try and be a little human and give women who want an abortion,
and will get one regardless of legality, to get one in a clean,
professional atmosphere? Or do you smile in satisfaction thinking of the
news articles you are going to get to read that speak of "evil" little
tramps that died in a backwoods motel with a hanger lying next to them,
saying under your breath, "Burn in hell. Burn....Burn..." .
Man, did I get into a rant here!
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| User: "Michael Calwell" |
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30 Mar 2005 12:32:41 PM |
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Rally wrote:
Do you think there's some sort of conspiracy to keep the fact that
there's an emotional side to an abortion away from the person
experiencing the emotions of an abortion?
Conspiracy implies co-ordination. It just so happens that abortionists
don't tell the truth about abortion, either what it is or what it can do
to a woman.
What you are trying to accomplish here is obvious. What you are using
to try and accomplish it is "beyond-viagra" flaccid. Women are counseled
prior to having the procedure done. To make abortion illegal would
remove any professional help a woman would want/need when they seek out
an abortion.
Well, it would also attempt to remove abortion.
It's none of my business anyway if a woman wants an abortion or not,
but I certainly don't want to allow women who seek one to be in any
physical danger as they would be if the procedure were illegal. So why
don't you try and be a little human and give women who want an abortion,
and will get one regardless of legality, to get one in a clean,
professional atmosphere? Or do you smile in satisfaction thinking of the
news articles you are going to get to read that speak of "evil" little
tramps that died in a backwoods motel with a hanger lying next to them,
saying under your breath, "Burn in hell. Burn....Burn..." .
Justice for the unborn child is not synonymous with judgement of the
often choiceless women that seek abortions.
Man, did I get into a rant here!
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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31 Mar 2005 11:08:45 AM |
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"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Rally wrote:
Do you think there's some sort of conspiracy to keep the fact that
there's an emotional side to an abortion away from the person
experiencing the emotions of an abortion?
Conspiracy implies co-ordination. It just so happens that abortionists
don't tell the truth about abortion, either what it is or what it can do
to a woman.
Complete lies and *****.
What you are trying to accomplish here is obvious. What you are using
to try and accomplish it is "beyond-viagra" flaccid. Women are counseled
prior to having the procedure done. To make abortion illegal would
remove any professional help a woman would want/need when they seek out
an abortion.
Well, it would also attempt to remove abortion.
Thereby removing FREEDOM.
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| User: "Michael Calwell" |
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31 Mar 2005 11:19:09 AM |
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Peacenik wrote:
What you are trying to accomplish here is obvious. What you are using
to try and accomplish it is "beyond-viagra" flaccid. Women are counseled
prior to having the procedure done. To make abortion illegal would
remove any professional help a woman would want/need when they seek out
an abortion.
Well, it would also attempt to remove abortion.
Thereby removing FREEDOM.
And you call yourself "Peace"nik????
Jeez, if abortion's your peace, I'd hate to see your conflict.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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31 Mar 2005 11:25:04 AM |
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"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Peacenik wrote:
What you are trying to accomplish here is obvious. What you are
using
to try and accomplish it is "beyond-viagra" flaccid. Women are
counseled
prior to having the procedure done. To make abortion illegal would
remove any professional help a woman would want/need when they seek out
an abortion.
Well, it would also attempt to remove abortion.
Thereby removing FREEDOM.
And you call yourself "Peace"nik????
Because I believe peace is a good thing.
Jeez, if abortion's your peace, I'd hate to see your conflict.
The only conflict I see is the self-contradictory nature of your post.
Abortion is a human right. It's a freedom. Outlaw abortion, and you take
away freedom. The illegalization of abortion will lead to deaths. Legal
abortion elimiates deaths.
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| User: "Michael Calwell" |
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31 Mar 2005 11:35:34 AM |
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Peacenik wrote:
And you call yourself "Peace"nik????
Because I believe peace is a good thing.
Jeez, if abortion's your peace, I'd hate to see your conflict.
The only conflict I see is the self-contradictory nature of your post.
Abortion is a human right. It's a freedom. Outlaw abortion, and you take
away freedom. The illegalization of abortion will lead to deaths. Legal
abortion elimiates deaths.
Errrr, right...
It's a human right to kill your unborn child? That's what you call
freedom? What about your born children? What about the freedom to kill
them?
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31 Mar 2005 11:40:36 AM |
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"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Peacenik wrote:
And you call yourself "Peace"nik????
Because I believe peace is a good thing.
Jeez, if abortion's your peace, I'd hate to see your conflict.
The only conflict I see is the self-contradictory nature of your post.
Abortion is a human right. It's a freedom. Outlaw abortion, and you take
away freedom. The illegalization of abortion will lead to deaths. Legal
abortion elimiates deaths.
Errrr, right...
It's a human right to kill your unborn child?
There's no such thing as an unborn child. A child, by definition, has been
born.
That's what you call
freedom?
Having the right to choose abortion is one of our most sacred, precious
freedoms.
What about your born children? What about the freedom to kill
them?
Of course not. It is wrong to kill human beings.
You're not too bright, are you?
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Peacenik
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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31 Mar 2005 01:47:39 PM |
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"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote in message
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"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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What about your born children? What about the freedom to kill
them?
Of course not. It is wrong to kill human beings.
You're not too bright, are you?
He keeps pretending that his personal belief someone relates to a
universally recognized scientific fact.
Susan
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| User: "Michael Calwell" |
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31 Mar 2005 01:57:44 PM |
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote in message
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"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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What about your born children? What about the freedom to kill
them?
Of course not. It is wrong to kill human beings.
You're not too bright, are you?
He keeps pretending that his personal belief someone relates to a
universally recognized scientific fact.
Facts are facts. Beliefs are beliefs. Learn to separate them.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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31 Mar 2005 03:11:28 PM |
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"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote in message
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"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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What about your born children? What about the freedom to kill
them?
Of course not. It is wrong to kill human beings.
You're not too bright, are you?
He keeps pretending that his personal belief someone relates to a
universally recognized scientific fact.
Facts are facts. Beliefs are beliefs. Learn to separate them.
The facts are on the side of us lovers of freedom. Your freedom-hating
anti-abortion sentiment is fully within the realm of the irrational tenets
of religion.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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31 Mar 2005 02:19:41 PM |
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"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote in message
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"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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What about your born children? What about the freedom to kill
them?
Of course not. It is wrong to kill human beings.
You're not too bright, are you?
He keeps pretending that his personal belief someone relates to a
universally recognized scientific fact.
Facts are facts. Beliefs are beliefs. Learn to separate them.
This is HYSTERICAL coming from you.
Or would be, if you weren't allowed to vote.
*That* makes it *sad*.
Susan
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| User: "Michael Calwell" |
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31 Mar 2005 02:23:55 PM |
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote in message
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"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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What about your born children? What about the freedom to kill
them?
Of course not. It is wrong to kill human beings.
You're not too bright, are you?
He keeps pretending that his personal belief someone relates to a
universally recognized scientific fact.
Facts are facts. Beliefs are beliefs. Learn to separate them.
This is HYSTERICAL coming from you.
Or would be, if you weren't allowed to vote.
*That* makes it *sad*.
Susan
The pro-abortion position is a catalogue of lies based on a canon of
fallacies supported by a disengenous belief system. Which makes your
position sublime irony.
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31 Mar 2005 11:08:05 PM |
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Peacenik wrote:
"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Peacenik wrote:
And you call yourself "Peace"nik????
Because I believe peace is a good thing.
Jeez, if abortion's your peace, I'd hate to see your conflict.
The only conflict I see is the self-contradictory nature of your
post.
Abortion is a human right. It's a freedom. Outlaw abortion, and
you take
away freedom. The illegalization of abortion will lead to deaths.
Legal
abortion elimiates deaths.
Errrr, right...
It's a human right to kill your unborn child?
There's no such thing as an unborn child. A child, by definition,
has been born.
FYI, the word "foetus" means "little one" in Latin. All life
begins at the moment o conception and any woman who would
even contemplate killing her own unborn child must be able to
spit nails.
That's what you call
freedom?
Having the right to choose abortion is one of our most sacred,
precious freedoms.
If tearing a baby from the safety of its mother's womb is your idea
of "freedom" you are a moron.
What about your born children? What about the freedom to kill
them?
Of course not. It is wrong to kill human beings.
You're not too bright, are you?
Peacenik
It's too bad that killing the unborn cannot be retroactive,
if it could be, those like you wouldn't even be here would you?
You should of opening an abortion mill like all of the other pieces of
garbage who are getting rich of them.
I hope you are not a Christian, we don't like you lot.
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| User: "Michael Calwell" |
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31 Mar 2005 11:51:46 AM |
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Peacenik wrote:
Errrr, right...
It's a human right to kill your unborn child?
There's no such thing as an unborn child. A child, by definition, has been
born.
Err, you're one of those... I see.
That's what you call
freedom?
Having the right to choose abortion is one of our most sacred, precious
freedoms.
How do you arrive at that conclusion?
What about your born children? What about the freedom to kill
them?
Of course not. It is wrong to kill human beings.
Unborn children are human beings too, you know. Just like the black
people you folks enslaved for so many years, and the women you claimed
to "own".
You're not too bright, are you?
Ah, so quick to admit defeat. You could have sustained the charade of
having a point to make for just a leetle bit longer. Most of the
pro-abortionists on the NG have been banging out the same tawdry crap
for years.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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31 Mar 2005 03:09:21 PM |
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"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Peacenik wrote:
Having the right to choose abortion is one of our most sacred, precious
freedoms.
How do you arrive at that conclusion?
Because the option of abortion gives people the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE THE COURSE
OF THEIR LIVES.
What about your born children? What about the freedom to kill
them?
Of course not. It is wrong to kill human beings.
Unborn children are human beings too, you know.
There is no such thing as an "unborn child". Embryos are merely gestating
blobs of cells. Any rights they have are granted solely by the person in
whom they are gestating.
Just like the black
people you folks enslaved for so many years, and the women you claimed
to "own".
Sorry, it was YOU conservatives who enslaved blacks and subjugated women. It
was us liberals who liberated them.
You're not too bright, are you?
Ah, so quick to admit defeat. You could have sustained the charade of
having a point to make for just a leetle bit longer. Most of the
pro-abortionists on the NG have been banging out the same tawdry crap
for years.
The arguments that pro-choicers make have been unchanging because they are
the truth.
You're not too bright, are you?
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| User: "Iain" |
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21 Apr 2005 06:49:58 PM |
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Except that they don't exist.
Just like the black
people you folks enslaved for so many years, and the women you
claimed
to "own".
LOL! Who?
A black person is clearly human to anyone who cares to respectfully
study him.
Anti-abortionists devalue humanity and make the idiotic claim that a
cluster of 9 cells is a human being.
There's no fruitful comparison.
~Iain
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| User: "Iain" |
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21 Apr 2005 07:16:41 PM |
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Except that they don't exist.
Just like the black
people you folks enslaved for so many years, and the women you
claimed
to "own".
LOL! Who?
A black person is clearly human to anyone who cares to respectfully
study him.
Anti-abortionists devalue humanity and make the idiotic claim that a
cluster of 9 cells is a human being.
There's no fruitful comparison.
~Iain
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| User: "Iain" |
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21 Apr 2005 06:49:37 PM |
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Michael Calwell wrote:
Peacenik wrote:
Errrr, right...
It's a human right to kill your unborn child?
There's no such thing as an unborn child. A child, by definition,
has been
born.
Err, you're one of those... I see.
That's what you call
freedom?
Having the right to choose abortion is one of our most sacred,
precious
freedoms.
How do you arrive at that conclusion?
What about your born children? What about the freedom to kill
them?
Of course not. It is wrong to kill human beings.
Unborn children are human beings too, you know.
Except that they don't exist.
Just like the black
people you folks enslaved for so many years, and the women you
claimed
to "own".
LOL! Who?
A black person is clearly human to anyone who cares to respectfully
study him.
Anti-abortionists devalue humanity and make the idiotic claim that a
cluster of 9 cells is a human being.
There's no fruitful comparison.
~Iain
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Has a Damaging Psychological Effect says Psychiatrist |
30 Mar 2005 02:54:40 PM |
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"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:424af0ca$0$29919$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
Rally wrote:
Do you think there's some sort of conspiracy to keep the fact that
there's an emotional side to an abortion away from the person
experiencing the emotions of an abortion?
Conspiracy implies co-ordination. It just so happens that abortionists
don't tell the truth about abortion, either what it is or what it can do
to a woman.
Except that this is a lie.
What you are trying to accomplish here is obvious. What you are using
to try and accomplish it is "beyond-viagra" flaccid. Women are counseled
prior to having the procedure done. To make abortion illegal would remove
any professional help a woman would want/need when they seek out an
abortion.
Well, it would also attempt to remove abortion.
And it would fail, as has been shown by human history.
It's none of my business anyway if a woman wants an abortion or not,
but I certainly don't want to allow women who seek one to be in any
physical danger as they would be if the procedure were illegal. So why
don't you try and be a little human and give women who want an abortion,
and will get one regardless of legality, to get one in a clean,
professional atmosphere? Or do you smile in satisfaction thinking of the
news articles you are going to get to read that speak of "evil" little
tramps that died in a backwoods motel with a hanger lying next to them,
saying under your breath, "Burn in hell. Burn....Burn..." .
Justice for the unborn child is not synonymous with judgement of the often
choiceless women that seek abortions.
Trying to force your religious beliefs on other people is just plain evil;
telling lies to bolster the attempt only makes you worse.
Susan
Man, did I get into a rant here!
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| User: "Lazarus" |
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30 Mar 2005 10:38:25 AM |
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"J Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote...
This is what the "pro-choice" advocates never tell these young women
who seek counsel. "Pro-life" understands the torment and explains this
dark secret to women. This is why "pro-life" can proudly say that they
are "pro-women". It's not just about saving the baby's life.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/mar/05032905.html
Abortion Has a Damaging Psychological Effect says Psychiatrist
TORONTO, March 29, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a letter published in
the National Post yesterday, Toronto psychiatrist Dr. Joseph Berger
attests that, even "years after abortion," a "profound sense of loss"
and regret still remain for most women.
A letter to the editor isn't exactly an authorative source, IBen.
Btw, I recommend that you google on "Reardon" and "talk.abortion" - he has
been thoroughly and repeatedly discredited on this newsgroup.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Has a Damaging Psychological Effect says Psychiatrist |
30 Mar 2005 10:54:11 AM |
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:38:25 -0600, "Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address>
wrote:
"J Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote...
This is what the "pro-choice" advocates never tell these young women
who seek counsel. "Pro-life" understands the torment and explains this
dark secret to women. This is why "pro-life" can proudly say that they
are "pro-women". It's not just about saving the baby's life.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/mar/05032905.html
Abortion Has a Damaging Psychological Effect says Psychiatrist
TORONTO, March 29, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a letter published in
the National Post yesterday, Toronto psychiatrist Dr. Joseph Berger
attests that, even "years after abortion," a "profound sense of loss"
and regret still remain for most women.
A letter to the editor isn't exactly an authorative source, IBen.
Btw, I recommend that you google on "Reardon" and "talk.abortion" - he has
been thoroughly and repeatedly discredited on this newsgroup.
These letters come down from Christian Central and get sent to local
newspapers, forwarded to people whose faces they want to rub in it,
etc. Usually by people incapable of understanding or addressing
responses.
The first one of these I saw was when a scientific sounding letter
about the micron size of pores in latex condoms was circulating. Maybe
15 years ago.
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Has a Damaging Psychological Effect says Psychiatrist |
30 Mar 2005 04:27:59 PM |
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In article <1112199810.771266.240000
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, J Young said...
This is what the "pro-choice" advocates never tell these young women
who seek counsel.
Are you claiming that clinics do not offer pre- and post-
abortion counseling? Are you saying that abortion providers do
not have a network of affiliated therapists, counselors,
psychiatrists and psychologists to whom they can refer their
clients, should the need arise?
The anti-abortion movement depicts women who seek abortions as
trite, vain, bowing to "convenience." The abortion providers
too, are supposedly interested only in money and so push
impressionable girls toward abortion while glossing over any
untoward future consequences. Thus, we're supposed to be shocked
and outraged to learn that some women who get abortions suffer
psychological aftereffects.
In the real world, if we believe what the women themselves say
about the matter, most women agonize about the decision to
obtain an abortion, and many are fully aware they will be
haunted by doubt whatever choice they make. Furthermore,
counseling is available, both before and after the procedure,
and patients are advised to seek help if they notice any of the
signs of well-understood post-abortion complications, both
physical and psychological.
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Brian `E. Clark
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Has a Damaging Psychological Effect says Psychiatrist |
01 Apr 2005 12:22:09 AM |
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Brian E. Clark wrote:
In article <1112199810.771266.240000
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, J Young said...
This is what the "pro-choice" advocates never tell these young
women
who seek counsel.
Are you claiming that clinics do not offer pre- and post-
abortion counseling? Are you saying that abortion providers do
not have a network of affiliated therapists, counselors,
psychiatrists and psychologists to whom they can refer their
clients, should the need arise?
The anti-abortion movement depicts women who seek abortions as
trite, vain, bowing to "convenience." The abortion providers
too, are supposedly interested only in money and so push
impressionable girls toward abortion while glossing over any
untoward future consequences. Thus, we're supposed to be shocked
and outraged to learn that some women who get abortions suffer
psychological aftereffects.
In the real world, if we believe what the women themselves say
about the matter, most women agonize about the decision to
obtain an abortion, and many are fully aware they will be
haunted by doubt whatever choice they make. Furthermore,
counseling is available, both before and after the procedure,
and patients are advised to seek help if they notice any of the
signs of well-understood post-abortion complications, both
physical and psychological.
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Brian `E. Clark
First, sorry Mr. Clark. My post was redundant. I repeated your position
before I read all of the posts.
Second, isn't is somewhat telling that nobody has responded to our
posts? I find that depressing. I think our viewpoint is the most
relevant and interesting. Yet, all of the other posters are more
interested in rhetoric rather than a real examination of the issue,
regardless of which position they take.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Has a Damaging Psychological Effect says Psychiatrist |
30 Mar 2005 10:45:09 AM |
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In our last episode
<1112199810.771266.240000@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, J Young
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Abortion Has a Damaging Psychological Effect says Psychiatrist
One? That many huh? I mean, one whole entire psychiatrist out of thousands
and thousands. And he has an opinion.
I'm bowled over!
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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| User: "N.O.Y.B." |
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17 Apr 2005 08:10:58 AM |
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Is the only reason abortion has a damaging psychological effect is because
some people cannot understand why, or handle the fact, that women have the
right of control over their own bodies and lives???
Abortion is damaging psychologically to those who *already* have
psychological problems. To fair-minded ordinary people, it does no harm
whatsoever.
Abortion is damaging psychologically to people who would prefer to force
women to carry to term and suffer an unwanted birth against their will.
Damaging psychologically to chauvinist pigs, more like it. Control freaks,
busybodies, buttinskies, you name it. Damaging psychologically because
that's one more thing they can no longer control or dictate the outcome of.
So sorry, so sorry that they cannot control the lives of women. So sorry to
hear that they don't OWN women. I'm crying a river of tears for those poor
lil' buttinsky egomanics who cannot handle the fact that they have no right
to dictate the course of another's life!
Oh you poor little control-fetish megalomaniacs!
Crawl...walk...run...sprint...into the night and disappear...but
puh...lease, leave women and their bodies alone!
noyb
"J Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:1112199810.771266.240000@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
This is what the "pro-choice" advocates never tell these young women
who seek counsel. "Pro-life" understands the torment and explains this
dark secret to women. This is why "pro-life" can proudly say that they
are "pro-women". It's not just about saving the baby's life.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/mar/05032905.html
Abortion Has a Damaging Psychological Effect says Psychiatrist
TORONTO, March 29, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a letter published in
the National Post yesterday, Toronto psychiatrist Dr. Joseph Berger
attests that, even "years after abortion," a "profound sense of loss"
and regret still remain for most women.
"In more than 30 years of clinical practice as a psychiatrist, I have
not come across an adult woman who, years after having had an abortion,
has not had deep regrets, sadness and often a profound sense of loss,
especially if she has not had any children," said Dr. Joseph Berger.
Research conducted by the Elliott Institute's David Reardon, and other
researchers have found a significant increase in mental illness in
women with a previous history of abortion. In 2003, the Elliott
Institute team of researchers conducted a study measuring the incidence
of hospital admissions for mental health reasons, comparing women with
a previous history of abortion to those who had given birth to live
children. The study found a doubling of hospital admissions for mental
illness, and three times the rate of bipolar disorder in women with
previous histories of abortion.
tv
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