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Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Created: 25.11.2004 17:46 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 17:46 MSK
Anna Arutunyan
The Moscow News
There may be no sex in Russia, so goes a Soviet urban legend. And somehow,
with abortions outnumbering live births nearly 2 to 1, if you're a Russian
woman and never had one, you're a statistical non-entity.
The women I spoke to - stoic, intelligent matrons obviously with other
things on their minds besides talking their husbands into using condoms -
took it for granted that they had friends who'd chide them with "I've had
thirty abortions already, what's the big deal?" when they had to make that
trip to the clinic.
And, according to one gynecologist who has been practicing for 45 years,
there was certainly no reason to blanche when a girl told you that "I'd
rather just have abortions than not have satisfying sex."
Western media - like the Washington Post - put Russia at number three for
its abortion rate, just after Cuba and Romania. Conservative think tanks
like the Rand Corporation are more blatant: Russia has the highest abortion
rate in the world.
Statistics, like women, are fickle; and yet whatever numbers you look at,
the rates are staggering. According to a compilation from the Demographic
Yearbook of the European Council and an analogous Demographic Yearbook by
the United Nations, Russia is the only nation in the world where abortions
consistently outnumbered live births by a ratio of about 2 to 1. In 1970,
for example, there were 1.9 million births and 4.8 million abortions. Today,
with more access to real contraceptives, that number has decreased: for
every live birth there are between 1.3 and 1.5 abortions, depending on the
statistics you look at.
Ask an average woman, or a health organization, or a gynecologist, and the
excuses are all pretty much the same: lack of apartment space, no money to
raise children, no decent contraceptives, etc.
The problem is that each of the "excuses" - communism, small apartments, no
money, no contraceptives - are by no means unique here. Russia still tops
the list by far for abortion rates across Soviet republics. China, with its
one child policy and often mandatory abortions? At its highest rate in 1983,
there were only about 16 abortions for every 19 live births.
Romania, which some sources say has a higher abortion rate than Russia? The
former communist state had an astounding rate for a couple of years in the
1960's: when the ratio reached 4 abortions for every live birth. But in the
following decades, the rate leveled out, and there were generally fewer
abortions than live births.
So is a lackadaisical attitude towards abortion just another attribute of
the "enigmatic Russian soul?"
Many journalists writing on the issue are just dying to come out with it and
say that Russian women are whores. But they hold back at the last minute,
and leave it with a more subdued "culture of silence" among generations of
women.
"You couldn't discuss sex the way I was brought up," says a pensioner. "It
was just wrong. To ask your husband to wear a condom was unheard of in the
first few years of marriage."
The problem is, every time one tries to take a kinder, gentler approach to
the issue and attribute the sexual health problems to a poor economy and an
indifferent government, the statistics bare their teeth and the anecdotal
evidence gets ever more depraved.
While Inga Grebeshova, of the Russian Association for Family Planning, says
that the Soviet Union did not produce oral contraceptives, other women had
it otherwise.
"I had a friend who was a real skank," one woman, who has been married for
35 years to the same man, told me. "And she used the pills and didn't
understand why we were getting abortions."
But those "pills", Grebeshova says, had high doses of hormones and weren't
even intended as contraceptives in the first place. Real oral contraceptives
appeared only in the early nineties.
But today, with oral contraceptives readily available at every pharmacy,
they still remain one of the less popular forms of birth control. And not
just because they're expensive: a part of the population is still "biased" -
or superstitiously afraid - of anything hormonal, Grebeshova says. Abortion
for many women just seems the safer, more familiar thing to do - even
though, according a report from the Rand Corporation, complications from
abortions are behind more than one in four maternal deaths.
So if Russian men shudder at the thought of wearing condoms, and women are
traditionally suspicious of anything remotely resembling hormones ("they're
afraid to get fat, so they'd rather have abortions," a younger woman said)
what about other forms of birth control? Sponges? Foams?
"My husband and I shared our room with our son," one older woman said. "Do
you know what happens to that foam afterwards?"
One would think that communism, which made Russia the first country in the
world to legalize abortion in 1920, was responsible for instilling women
with an obvious disgust about their own bodies.
But even that is too simple. "Yes, I was ashamed to say 'put on a condom,'
so I opted for abortions," the woman says - even though, as a biologist, she
knew their danger.
"But the Soviet Union had nothing to do with that. It was just bad
upbringing." Upbringing that she says went back for generations. And even
Soviet culture, insisting on a woman's "freedom" from man, was powerless to
eradicate one little thing: that having a man was still the top priority in
a woman's life.
"What's a little abortion if it makes him happy?" says a pensioner,
recalling the attitude of many of her friends. "After all, it's source of
pride, if I'm married, and you're not."
Demographic statistics may answer why a relatively developed country still
has an almost medieval attitude towards relations between the sexes: after
World War Two, for example, Russia had one of the lowest male to female
ratio in the world. Today, there are still not nearly enough men to go
around, with the life expectancy of a man (at 58) nearly 15 years lower that
for a woman.
Cut the supply, and the demand increases.
But back to the enigmatic Russian soul. A couple of years ago, I asked one
of my editors about this economic paradox. "Sex for a Russian woman must be
spontaneous. Desperate. Because if it's not, then it's not real love."
Even if sex didn't exist.
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Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
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Do you lying pieces of ***** actually think you achieve anything other than
show what low life scum you are?
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01 Dec 2004 10:46:56 PM |
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Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Where is the "Atheism" that you claim contributed to this?
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Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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02 Dec 2004 06:46:34 AM |
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Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Where is the "Atheism" that you claim contributed to this?
***The atheism of Soviet Russia. Atheism was an official policy of
communism.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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02 Dec 2004 12:48:35 PM |
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In our last thrilling episode, "Al" <agg@spammenot.net> was pushed
over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Thu, 2 Dec 2004 07:46:34 -0500 by
Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
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Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Where is the "Atheism" that you claim contributed to this?
***The atheism of Soviet Russia. Atheism was an official policy of
communism.
So? Russians remained overwhelmingly Orthodox. There were many
things that were official policy that were ignored by the masses. An
old Soviet joke went "As long as they pretend to pay us, we will
pretend to work."
--
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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
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02 Dec 2004 02:27:56 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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In our last thrilling episode, "Al" <agg@spammenot.net> was pushed
over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Thu, 2 Dec 2004 07:46:34 -0500 by
Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
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Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Where is the "Atheism" that you claim contributed to this?
***The atheism of Soviet Russia. Atheism was an official policy of
communism.
So? Russians remained overwhelmingly Orthodox. There were many
things that were official policy that were ignored by the masses. An
old Soviet joke went "As long as they pretend to pay us, we will
pretend to work."
***The majority of Russians were not Soviets nor members of the Communist
Party which, offically, was an damnable atheistic governmental system.
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02 Dec 2004 03:01:13 AM |
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Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Where is the "Atheism" that you claim contributed to this?
Hey, if Bush can claim Iraq had WMDs...
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| User: "Adeimantos" |
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02 Dec 2004 01:50:42 PM |
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Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Where is the "Atheism" that you claim contributed to this?
Abortion was not legalized in Russia until AFTER the Bolsheviks turned the
Orthodox nation into a anti-religious Marxist state. It was under Lenin
that abortion was legalized. Hence, atheism -- and particularly Marxism --
has everything to do with the massive number of abortions in Russia today.
Without the advent of atheistic Marxism, today's Russia would have had
strong penalties against this barbaric and inhuman practice and the unborn
would enjoy the inalienable right to life.
-Adeimantos
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| User: "Cleopatra" |
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02 Dec 2004 10:18:39 PM |
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"Adeimantos" <adeimantos@cox.net> wrote in message news:<omKrd.170$Xp.4@lakeread07>...
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"Fedora Hat" <fedora04@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Where is the "Atheism" that you claim contributed to this?
Abortion was not legalized in Russia until AFTER the Bolsheviks turned the
Orthodox nation into a anti-religious Marxist state. It was under Lenin
that abortion was legalized. Hence, atheism -- and particularly Marxism --
has everything to do with the massive number of abortions in Russia today.
Without the advent of atheistic Marxism, today's Russia would have had
strong penalties against this barbaric and inhuman practice and the unborn
would enjoy the inalienable right to life.
-Adeimantos
Respectfully, sir, pretty much can be said about this country as well.
Substituting a couple of words, "Abortion was not legalized in
[America]until AFTER the Bolsheviks turned the [Christian/Jewish]
nation into an anti-religious Marxist state.
As you're aware, none of this stuff happens overnight, for to change a
culture such as ours one must first ridicule and then destroy all
vestiges of religious authority. For socialism to gain a foothold, a
people must first become conditioned to looking to the State for all
physical sustenance, and after that comes the "moral" authority of the
state - for those who feed you also call the shots in other areas as
well. This is how it's done, and it explains the fierce antagonism
this crowd has towards all organized religion, destroying it where it
can or otherwise infiltrating these organizations to where they become
mere mouthpieces for their larger agenda.
Cleopatra
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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03 Dec 2004 09:47:06 AM |
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(Cleopatra) wrote...
"Adeimantos" <adeimantos@cox.net> wrote...
Abortion was not legalized in Russia until AFTER the Bolsheviks turned the
Orthodox nation into a anti-religious Marxist state. It was under Lenin
that abortion was legalized. Hence, atheism -- and particularly Marxism --
has everything to do with the massive number of abortions in Russia today.
Without the advent of atheistic Marxism, today's Russia would have had
strong penalties against this barbaric and inhuman practice and the unborn
would enjoy the inalienable right to life.
Respectfully, sir, pretty much can be said about this country as well.
Substituting a couple of words, "Abortion was not legalized in
[America]until AFTER the Bolsheviks turned the [Christian/Jewish]
nation into an anti-religious Marxist state.
As I recall, abortion was legal in the U.S. up to the point of
"quickening" up to about the mid 1800s. This was obviously brought
about by the Colonials turning away from their Divinely Appointed King
(who held the title "Defender of the Faith") and throwing in their lot
with a bunch of Deists.
The point here is that as long as the USA remains in the State of
REBELLION
against God's Divinely Appointed RoyalPersonage, how can you
reasonably expect the likes of Robertson and Falwell to do anything
more than further scatter the flock???
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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03 Dec 2004 02:53:58 PM |
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(Spartakus) wrote in message news:<6ed74dfa.0412030747.21ae51fe@posting.google.com>...
The point here is that as long as the USA remains in the State of
REBELLION
against God's Divinely Appointed RoyalPersonage, how can you
reasonably expect the likes of Robertson and Falwell to do anything
more than further scatter the flock???
LOL!
-Hy
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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03 Dec 2004 02:54:46 PM |
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"Fedora Hat" <fedora04@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Where is the "Atheism" that you claim contributed to this?
Abortion was not legalized in Russia until AFTER the Bolsheviks turned the
Orthodox nation into a anti-religious Marxist state. It was under Lenin
that abortion was legalized. Hence, atheism -- and particularly Marxism --
has everything to do with the massive number of abortions in Russia today.
Without the advent of atheistic Marxism, today's Russia would have had
strong penalties against this barbaric and inhuman practice and the unborn
would enjoy the inalienable right to life.
Why do unborn get all the rights and the under-18 get none? Riddle me that.
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| User: "Sports Pants" |
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03 Dec 2004 05:34:53 PM |
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In article <1048bc8e.0412031254.674bbe02@posting.google.com>,
Phillips.66.berliv2@spamgourmet.com (Hypatia Kosh) wrote:
"Adeimantos" <adeimantos@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Fedora Hat" <fedora04@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Where is the "Atheism" that you claim contributed to this?
Abortion was not legalized in Russia until AFTER the Bolsheviks turned the
Orthodox nation into a anti-religious Marxist state. It was under Lenin
that abortion was legalized. Hence, atheism -- and particularly
Marxism --
has everything to do with the massive number of abortions in Russia today.
Without the advent of atheistic Marxism, today's Russia would have had
strong penalties against this barbaric and inhuman practice and the unborn
would enjoy the inalienable right to life.
Why do unborn get all the rights and the under-18 get none? Riddle me that.
Actually, the unborn have one right-- to live. Under 18s- indeed, people
of all ages- have that right too. So your attempt to prove a pro-life
inconsistency has failed. Startlingly original tactic, though. HTH!
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03 Dec 2004 06:04:41 PM |
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"Sports Pants" <tagutcow@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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In article <1048bc8e.0412031254.674bbe02@posting.google.com>,
Phillips.66.berliv2@spamgourmet.com (Hypatia Kosh) wrote:
Why do unborn get all the rights and the under-18 get none? Riddle me
that.
Actually, the unborn have one right-- to live. Under 18s- indeed, people
of all ages- have that right too. So your attempt to prove a pro-life
inconsistency has failed. Startlingly original tactic, though. HTH!
Indeed, it has. These pseudo-intellectuals can't even grasp the most obvious
refutations of their "logic" and yet cling to the belief they are somehow
outwitting and undermining the opposition. Self-delusion at its height, I
guess. Other than to bring their egos down a notch, it's not really
worthwhile to even attempt a serious debate with this sort; I certainly
don't waste my time on such pursuits in futility.
-Adeimantos
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04 Dec 2004 01:33:14 AM |
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Sports Pants <tagutcow@earthlink.net> wrote:
Phillips.66.berliv2@spamgourmet.com (Hypatia Kosh) wrote:
Why do unborn get all the rights and the under-18 get none? Riddle me that.
Actually, the unborn have one right-- to live.
If people have the right to live then why are you free to let them
die?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Alexander Arnakis" |
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02 Dec 2004 05:48:16 PM |
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:50:42 -0500, "Adeimantos" <adeimantos@cox.net>
wrote:
Abortion was not legalized in Russia until AFTER the Bolsheviks turned the
Orthodox nation into a anti-religious Marxist state. It was under Lenin
that abortion was legalized. Hence, atheism -- and particularly Marxism --
has everything to do with the massive number of abortions in Russia today.
Without the advent of atheistic Marxism, today's Russia would have had
strong penalties against this barbaric and inhuman practice and the unborn
would enjoy the inalienable right to life.
Do you think atheism has anything to do with the massive number of
abortions in Greece today (a so-called Orthodox country)? Where are
the "strong penalties" against abortion in Greece? Why is it a
generally-accepted means of birth control?
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| User: "Adeimantos" |
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02 Dec 2004 06:07:43 PM |
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"Alexander Arnakis" <invalid@address.none> wrote in message
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Do you think atheism has anything to do with the massive number of
abortions in Greece today (a so-called Orthodox country)? Where are
the "strong penalties" against abortion in Greece? Why is it a
generally-accepted means of birth control?
Yes, I believe atheism and secularism are the direct the causes of the high
abortion rate in Greece. Even though Greece never underwent a Marxist
occupation, it did undergo a Socialist occupation in the form of PASOK
(Pan-Hellenic Socialist Movement Party). PASOK, hostile towards religion
from the beginning, has been trying (with notable success) to weaken (and
ultimately destroy) destroy the religious and nationalist sentiments of the
Greek people for years. Here's a statement from former prime minister
Kostas Simitis that attests to this:
"Our policy is to strengthen in every way, and by every means possible, the
general apathy towards developments having to do with ideological belief;
[our goal is] a Hellenic Christianity which has no resonance among the
masses. To hinder and to prevent at any cost the attachment by our people to
the idea of a nation state or to a Christian tradition, which weakens us in
our resolve and gives rise to dangers and obstacles to Greece as a modern
and progressive presence in the world." (Source: "Ethnikistikos Laikismos",
Athens, 1992, p. 75)
-Adeimantos
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03 Dec 2004 01:57:49 AM |
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Why hasn't this Jewish dwarf been hounded down, cornered and executed for
high-treason against Greece and Orthodoxy? Seriously? He and his monkey-man
Papandreou - the Gypsy-Jew-*****! They should be made to pay beyond the
election. They should pay now.
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Do you think atheism has anything to do with the massive number of
abortions in Greece today (a so-called Orthodox country)? Where are
the "strong penalties" against abortion in Greece? Why is it a
generally-accepted means of birth control?
Yes, I believe atheism and secularism are the direct the causes of the
high abortion rate in Greece. Even though Greece never underwent a
Marxist occupation, it did undergo a Socialist occupation in the form of
PASOK (Pan-Hellenic Socialist Movement Party). PASOK, hostile towards
religion from the beginning, has been trying (with notable success) to
weaken (and ultimately destroy) destroy the religious and nationalist
sentiments of the Greek people for years. Here's a statement from former
prime minister Kostas Simitis that attests to this:
"Our policy is to strengthen in every way, and by every means possible,
the general apathy towards developments having to do with ideological
belief; [our goal is] a Hellenic Christianity which has no resonance among
the masses. To hinder and to prevent at any cost the attachment by our
people to the idea of a nation state or to a Christian tradition, which
weakens us in our resolve and gives rise to dangers and obstacles to
Greece as a modern and progressive presence in the world." (Source:
"Ethnikistikos Laikismos", Athens, 1992, p. 75)
-Adeimantos
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02 Dec 2004 06:25:49 PM |
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"Alexander Arnakis" <invalid@address.none> wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:50:42 -0500, "Adeimantos" <adeimantos@cox.net>
wrote:
Abortion was not legalized in Russia until AFTER the Bolsheviks turned the
Orthodox nation into a anti-religious Marxist state. It was under Lenin
that abortion was legalized. Hence, atheism -- and particularly
Marxism --
has everything to do with the massive number of abortions in Russia today.
Without the advent of atheistic Marxism, today's Russia would have had
strong penalties against this barbaric and inhuman practice and the unborn
would enjoy the inalienable right to life.
Do you think atheism has anything to do with the massive number of
abortions in Greece today (a so-called Orthodox country)? Where are
the "strong penalties" against abortion in Greece? Why is it a
generally-accepted means of birth control?
Greek people have seen sence and are not overbearing like the people of the
3rd word. That's why the people of Greece are happier than those of the US
and UK. It about time that birth control was applied in Africa, and India
and Latin America and China so as to bring them of poverty. Until then all
3rd world immigration should be banned.
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| User: "chester" |
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| Title: Re: Atheistic Marxian brainwashing was responsible for abortion in Russia |
03 Dec 2004 03:40:27 AM |
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http://www.ardice.com/Games/Video_Games/Action/Space_Combat/3rd_World
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| User: "++" |
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| Title: Re: Atheistic Marxian brainwashing was responsible for abortion inRussia |
02 Dec 2004 10:32:47 PM |
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Alexander Arnakis wrote:
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:50:42 -0500, "Adeimantos" <adeimantos@cox.net>
wrote:
Abortion was not legalized in Russia until AFTER the Bolsheviks turned the
Orthodox nation into a anti-religious Marxist state. It was under Lenin
that abortion was legalized. Hence, atheism -- and particularly Marxism --
has everything to do with the massive number of abortions in Russia today.
Without the advent of atheistic Marxism, today's Russia would have had
strong penalties against this barbaric and inhuman practice and the unborn
would enjoy the inalienable right to life.
Do you think atheism has anything to do with the massive number of
abortions in Greece today (a so-called Orthodox country)? Where are
the "strong penalties" against abortion in Greece? Why is it a
generally-accepted means of birth control?
It's even higher in Bulgaria but abortion in Macedonia is relatively
low, along with the low divorce rate. The two seem to correllate
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| User: "June R Harton" |
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| Title: Re: Atheistic Marxian brainwashing was responsible for abortion in Russia |
02 Dec 2004 11:58:13 PM |
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"++" <yourfriend@erols.com> wrote in message
news:XZednZGNmdrwcTLcRVn-oA@rcn.net...
Very silly, Schneider.
It's time poorly educated people were taught some real history...
Here is the real area of Macedonia:
http://www.macedonia.com/english/history/regions1.html
http://www.unet.com.mk/oldmacedonianmaps/stmapi/mapa3.jpg
http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/Maps/mapSeq_Map01.html
http://crystalinks.com/mapgreeceancient.gif
from: Spirit of Truth
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
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| User: "Alexander Arnakis" |
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| Title: Re: Atheistic Marxian brainwashing was responsible for abortion in Russia |
02 Dec 2004 11:45:13 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:32:47 -0500, ++ <yourfriend@erols.com> wrote:
It's even higher in Bulgaria but abortion in Macedonia is relatively
low, along with the low divorce rate. The two seem to correllate
First of all, "Macedonia" is an entire region, most of which happens
to be in Greece. So your statement is technically meaningless.
If you mean to refer to the former Yugoslav republic north of Greece,
then what you say doesn't surprise me. Abortion is linked to rising
middle-class aspirations. That area north of Greece hasn't progressed
to that point yet. What can you expect from a peasant society, where
women marry early and are kept "barefoot and pregnant"?
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| User: "Agamemnon" |
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| Title: Re: Atheistic Marxian brainwashing was responsible for abortion in Russia |
03 Dec 2004 09:24:59 AM |
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"Alexander Arnakis" <invalid@address.none> wrote in message
news:10vvq0tdhs2oh04v4mbkorv4rvjrs7o6rh@4ax.com...
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:32:47 -0500, ++ <yourfriend@erols.com> wrote:
It's even higher in Bulgaria but abortion in Macedonia is relatively
low, along with the low divorce rate. The two seem to correllate
First of all, "Macedonia" is an entire region, most of which happens
to be in Greece. So your statement is technically meaningless.
Macedonia is a region of GREECE ONLY GREECE AND NOWHERE ELSE BUT GREECE
since it is a GREEK TRIBAL NAME. Greek tribal names were always applied to
the area a tribe occupied at the time NOT to specific geographic locations.
When the Ionians moved from the Peloponnese to Asia-Minor the name went with
them. What was Ionia became Achaea.
If you mean to refer to the former Yugoslav republic north of Greece,
then what you say doesn't surprise me. Abortion is linked to rising
middle-class aspirations. That area north of Greece hasn't progressed
to that point yet. What can you expect from a peasant society, where
women marry early and are kept "barefoot and pregnant"?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Lying sack of *****--->>Re: Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal |
02 Dec 2004 07:08:14 AM |
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In our last episode <47xrd.65609$g21.60847@fe1.texas.rr.com>, The other
Donald lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Fedora Hat" <fedora04@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:cdf61eea.0412012034.5d432867@posting.google.com...
Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Where is the "Atheism" that you claim contributed to this?
Yeah, the article mentions no such thing and attributes things to cultural
factors that aren't related to belief or lack of belief in deities.
In the same vein, after 2000 years of Christianity, inflation is rising!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Al" |
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| Title: Re: Lying sack of *****--->>Re: Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal |
02 Dec 2004 08:02:35 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:S_GdnTS3x5O9jjLcRVn-ug@megapath.net...
In our last episode <47xrd.65609$g21.60847@fe1.texas.rr.com>, The other
Donald lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Fedora Hat" <fedora04@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:cdf61eea.0412012034.5d432867@posting.google.com...
Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Where is the "Atheism" that you claim contributed to this?
Yeah, the article mentions no such thing and attributes things to cultural
factors that aren't related to belief or lack of belief in deities.
In the same vein, after 2000 years of Christianity, inflation is rising!
***And the relationship between Christianity and the economic condition of
nations is...?
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: Lying sack of *****--->>Re: Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal |
02 Dec 2004 11:34:08 AM |
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Al wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:S_GdnTS3x5O9jjLcRVn-ug@megapath.net...
In our last episode <47xrd.65609$g21.60847@fe1.texas.rr.com>, The other
Donald lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Fedora Hat" <fedora04@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:cdf61eea.0412012034.5d432867@posting.google.com...
Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Where is the "Atheism" that you claim contributed to this?
Yeah, the article mentions no such thing and attributes things to cultural
factors that aren't related to belief or lack of belief in deities.
In the same vein, after 2000 years of Christianity, inflation is rising!
***And the relationship between Christianity and the economic condition of
nations is...?
Smart boy. Got it in one.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Lying sack of *****--->>Re: Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal |
02 Dec 2004 03:27:44 PM |
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In our last episode <con79o01k3g@enews2.newsguy.com>, Al lept out of the
bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:S_GdnTS3x5O9jjLcRVn-ug@megapath.net...
In our last episode <47xrd.65609$g21.60847@fe1.texas.rr.com>, The other
Donald lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Fedora Hat" <fedora04@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:cdf61eea.0412012034.5d432867@posting.google.com...
Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Where is the "Atheism" that you claim contributed to this?
Yeah, the article mentions no such thing and attributes things to
cultural factors that aren't related to belief or lack of belief in
deities.
In the same vein, after 2000 years of Christianity, inflation is rising!
***And the relationship between Christianity and the economic condition of
nations is...?
Exactly.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Lying sack of *****--->>Re: Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal |
01 Dec 2004 11:14:01 PM |
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TV's The other Donald wrote:
"Fedora Hat" <fedora04@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:cdf61eea.0412012034.5d432867@posting.google.com...
Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Where is the "Atheism" that you claim contributed to this?
Every bad thing done by any Communist at any time in history was done in the
name of atheism, and solely in the name of atheism, in the sightless eyes of
the straw-grasping Fundamentalist Christian.
--
"Them white boys had me on crystal meth" - some crackhead in GTA:SA
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Lying sack of *****--->>Re: Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal |
02 Dec 2004 12:20:03 PM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:317mkmF38nj68U1@individual.net...
TV's The other Donald wrote:
"Fedora Hat" <fedora04@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:cdf61eea.0412012034.5d432867@posting.google.com...
Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Where is the "Atheism" that you claim contributed to this?
Every bad thing done by any Communist at any time in history was done in
the
name of atheism, and solely in the name of atheism, in the sightless eyes
of
the straw-grasping Fundamentalist Christian.
--
"Them white boys had me on crystal meth" - some crackhead in GTA:SA
aa #2133
ap #19
and it wouldnt, of course, of had anything to do with the fact that the
majority of people could barely feed themselves let alone children.
Kathryn
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| User: "Godfrey" |
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| Title: Re: Lying sack of *****--->>Re: Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal |
02 Dec 2004 12:42:14 PM |
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On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:14:01 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's The other Donald wrote:
"Fedora Hat" <fedora04@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:cdf61eea.0412012034.5d432867@posting.google.com...
Abortion in Russia: No Big Deal
Where is the "Atheism" that you claim contributed to this?
Every bad thing done by any Communist at any time in history was done in the
name of atheism, and solely in the name of atheism, in the sightless eyes of
the straw-grasping Fundamentalist Christian.
Funny thing is, the article had zero to do with religion or lack of
it. It was mostly about how Russian women don't care about condoms,
don't want to get fat and are really, really desperate for men to have
compulsive sex with.
Okay, anyway, I have to go now. http://www.expedia.com
[enter][enter][enter][dammit][enter]
Oops- did I say that out loud?
-Godfrey
"Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear."
-Mark Twain
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