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Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
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New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases Crime Rate
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/10/07 | Hilary White
Posted on 08/10/2007 12:37:58 PM PDT by wagglebee
WASHINGTON, August 10, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A book published in
June by a leading US economist in part responds to previous and oft-
quoted claims that abortion has been a significant factor in lowering
the U.S. crime rate. The book by John R. Lott of the American
Enterprise Institute, "Freedomnomics," answers claims by liberal
economist Steven Levitt that abortion, in reducing the number of
"unwanted" children, has eliminated significant numbers of the kind of
people who commit crimes.
Lott's 2001 study, "Abortion and Crime: Unwanted Children and Out-of-
Wedlock Births" concluded that legalized abortion has in fact
increased the overall violent crime rate.
"We find evidence that legalizing abortion increased murder rates by
around about 0.5 to 7 percent... Others note that the legalizing of
abortion might contribute to a coarsening of society that might itself
lead to more crime."
"Freedomnomics," is being called a conservative response to the
publication of a manifesto of liberal political and economic theory by
University of Chicago economist Steven Levitt and New York Times
journalist Stephen J. Dubner, which topped the 2005 New York Times
bestseller list.
"Freakonomics," claimed that "legalized abortion may account for as
much as one-half of the overall crime reduction" during the 1990s.
This claim was seized upon by abortion advocates, notably Dr. Henry
Morgentaler, Canada's most notorious abortionist, who claimed it was
proof that vindicated their claims and support for abortion on
demand.
The conclusion that abortion actually tends to increase crime rates
coincides with a study published earlier this year. That study
examined data on 237 low-income women in Baltimore and showed a
statistical correlation between abortion and incidents of child abuse.
Published in March in the Internet Journal of Pediatrics and
Neonatology, the study a showed history of abortion is associated with
more frequent acts of physical aggression toward subsequent children.
Read the study "Abortion and Crime: Unwanted Children and Out-of-
Wedlock Births" online:
http://lsr.nellco.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1018&c...
Read related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:
Abortion Linked to Higher Rates of Child Abuse, Study Finds
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/mar/07031301.html
Media Ignoring Study Saying Abortion Increases Crime
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2001/sep/01091005.html
Study Linking Abortion and Lower Crime Rates Published
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2001/may/01051702.html
Experts Debunk Donohue/Levitt Study Connecting Abortion and Crime
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2001/may/01053005.html
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| User: "Herb Martin" |
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13 Aug 2007 08:36:29 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific
consensus on climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff
American business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American
business by blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via
global warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced by
man. OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a percentage
of
total
plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge
quantities of CO2
and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far warmer
before
man, much less American business, ever existed. But damn it it must
be American Industry because Al Gore says so.
And after being called out on their on "secret algorythm" NASA had to
admit that 1929 (or some such) was the hottest year on (modern)
record instead of 1998, and that 5 of the hottest years were prior to
WW II.
Cite! And please, I want something other than Limbaugh or his ilk.
Here's some data from NASA:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/
Yes, 1998 is no longer the hottest year on record. It is now 2005 with
1998 second, followed closely by 2002, 2003, and 2006. The ten hottest
years on record are all from 1990 or later. The top 19 hottest years are
all after 1980. All but four of the hottest 30 years are after 1970.
Where you get 1929 is a mystery.
I said "1929 (or some such)" which turned out to be 1934.
You have to Google the NEWS not just the web for the correction which
only appeared yesterday or fews days ago max:
Global Warming Debate Reignited After NASA Quietly Corrects Temperature Data
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/216695/Global_Warming_Debate_Reignited_After_NASA_Quietly_Corrects_Temperature_Data
<<
A scene from Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth. Gore is one of the most
well-known champions for the environment, but data quietly corrected by NASA
has started a heated global warming debate.
Related Articles
A Toronto blogger discovered a problem with how NASA records U.S.
temperatures, concluding that 1934 is actually the hottest year on record,
not 1998. The climate change controversy is heating up once again.
Digital Journal - Al Gore, you better be listening: Last week, NASA
corrected an error in its data of temperature records, apparently caused by
a Y2K bug. Global warming alarmists are now enduring a fault line in their
argument, and anti-warmers have another arrow in their quill.
The problem was discovered by Toronto-based Steve McIntyre, who runs the
blog climateaudit.org. He found that the hottest year on record in the U.S.
is 1934, not 1998 as NASA previously claimed. After making adjustments to
NASA's data, McIntyre concluded about the hottest years in the U.S.:
Four of the top 10 are now from the 1930s: 1934, 1931, 1938 and 1939,
while only 3 of the top 10 are from the last 10 years (1998, 2006, 1999).
Several years (2000, 2002, 2003, 2004) fell well down the leaderboard,
behind even 1900.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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13 Aug 2007 10:12:06 PM |
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Herb Martin wrote:
And after being called out on their on "secret algorythm" NASA had
to admit that 1929 (or some such) was the hottest year on (modern)
record instead of 1998, and that 5 of the hottest years were prior
to WW II.
Cite! And please, I want something other than Limbaugh or his ilk.
Here's some data from NASA:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/
Yes, 1998 is no longer the hottest year on record. It is now 2005
with 1998 second, followed closely by 2002, 2003, and 2006. The ten
hottest years on record are all from 1990 or later. The top 19
hottest years are all after 1980. All but four of the hottest 30
years are after 1970. Where you get 1929 is a mystery.
I said "1929 (or some such)" which turned out to be 1934.
And that is wrong too. Did you even look at the NASA data? The NASA data
takes into account the entire Earth. McIntyre cherry picks just the US data.
A Toronto blogger discovered a problem with how NASA records U.S.
temperatures, concluding that 1934 is actually the hottest year on
record, not 1998. The climate change controversy is heating up once
again.
So I'm to trust the interpretation of some scientifically illiterate blogger
vs. NASA? OK, let's look. Oh, looks like climateaudit.org is down. How
convenient.
And just who is Stephen McIntyre? Just an innocent blogger out to get to the
truth if you want to go by the article. Yeah, right. He's a former mining
executive who has published criticisms of climate change findings in the
past that have all been shown to be cherry picking data.
Some more stuff from NASA:
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/danger_point.html
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/snowmelt_greenland.html
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/extreme_summer.html
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| User: "Scout" |
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12 Aug 2007 02:49:27 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific consensus on
climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff American business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American business
by
blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via global
warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced by man.
OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a percentage of
total
plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge quantities of
CO2
and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far warmer
before
man, much less American business, ever existed. But damn it it must be
American Industry because Al Gore says so.
While the camera pans over his shoulder at his massively energy wasting
mansion......
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| User: "brique" |
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12 Aug 2007 11:14:08 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific consensus
on
climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff American business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American
business
by
blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via global
warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced by
man.
OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a percentage of
total
plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge quantities of
CO2
and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far warmer
before
man, much less American business, ever existed. But damn it it must be
American Industry because Al Gore says so.
While the camera pans over his shoulder at his massively energy wasting
mansion......
Well, that's alright then.... nothing for you to worry about. Wanna buy a
house on a flood plain?
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| User: "Geoff" |
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13 Aug 2007 08:57:34 AM |
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Scout wrote:
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific
consensus on climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff
American business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American
business by blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via
global warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced by
man. OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a percentage
of
total
plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge
quantities of CO2
and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far warmer
before
man, much less American business, ever existed. But damn it it must
be American Industry because Al Gore says so.
While the camera pans over his shoulder at his massively energy
wasting mansion......
Complete utter *****.
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| User: "Scout" |
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13 Aug 2007 04:55:51 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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Scout wrote:
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific
consensus on climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff
American business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American
business by blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via
global warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced by
man. OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a percentage
of
total
plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge
quantities of CO2
and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far warmer
before
man, much less American business, ever existed. But damn it it must
be American Industry because Al Gore says so.
While the camera pans over his shoulder at his massively energy
wasting mansion......
Complete utter *****.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,254908,00.html
http://www.paxety.com/Archive/20070226LightDarknessMaho.html
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/118874.html
You were saying?????
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| User: "Geoff" |
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13 Aug 2007 09:53:59 PM |
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Scout wrote:
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Scout wrote:
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific
consensus on climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff
American business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American
business by blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via
global warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced
by man. OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a
percentage of
total
plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge
quantities of CO2
and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far
warmer before
man, much less American business, ever existed. But damn it it must
be American Industry because Al Gore says so.
While the camera pans over his shoulder at his massively energy
wasting mansion......
Complete utter *****.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,254908,00.html
http://www.paxety.com/Archive/20070226LightDarknessMaho.html
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/118874.html
You were saying?????
Complete utter *****.
Claim: "Al Gore's Nashville mansion consumes more than 20 times the average
amount of power for an American household."
Wrong. It's nowhere near 20x and comparing it to the average US home is
completely dishonest. Tennessee, if you hadn't heard, is in one of hottest
and most humid areas of the country in the summer and also gets quite cold
in the winter. I know. I've lived there.
Also, the house is much larger than an average home and serves as both
office and home. There are considerable savings when one doesn't have to
commute to a job and then consume an equal amount of energy there.
And then there's the fact that the Gores pay a several hundred dollar
premium to purchase power from green sources. All in all, the Gore household
is probably closer to carbon-neutral than most homes in the US that are much
smaller.
Care to tell us how much energy Bush's house in Kennebunkport and the
Crawford ranch use?
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| User: "Scout" |
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14 Aug 2007 04:48:12 AM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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Scout wrote:
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific
consensus on climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff
American business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American
business by blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via
global warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced
by man. OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a
percentage of
total
plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge
quantities of CO2
and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far
warmer before
man, much less American business, ever existed. But damn it it must
be American Industry because Al Gore says so.
While the camera pans over his shoulder at his massively energy
wasting mansion......
Complete utter *****.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,254908,00.html
http://www.paxety.com/Archive/20070226LightDarknessMaho.html
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/118874.html
You were saying?????
Complete utter *****.
Claim: "Al Gore's Nashville mansion consumes more than 20 times the
average amount of power for an American household."
Wrong. It's nowhere near 20x and comparing it to the average US home is
completely dishonest.
So you are saying he doesn't use that much energy? Your proof?
Tennessee, if you hadn't heard, is in one of hottest and most humid areas
of the country in the summer and also gets quite cold in the winter. I
know. I've lived there.
Actually, much of the east coast shares those same conditions.
Also, the house is much larger than an average home
Yea. It's a Mansion.
and serves as both office and home.
So do a lot of people's homes, but strangely they don't consume 20 times the
national average.
There are considerable savings when one doesn't have to commute to a job
and then consume an equal amount of energy there.
True, but again, check into home offices as used by countless other people
and tell me they cause a home to consume 20 times the national average.
And then there's the fact that the Gores pay a several hundred dollar
premium to purchase power from green sources.
Does this change the basic facts?
All in all, the Gore household is probably closer to carbon-neutral than
most homes in the US that are much smaller.
Yea, that carbon credit scam does sound really good. You want to know one
source of those "carbon credits"? Loggers. Who clear cut a forest, and then
sell "carbon credits" to replant the trees they cut down and which they
would have to do anyway. But, hey, it sounds really good to claim that
planting some 4oz trees in replacement of 20,000 pound trees makes up for
using so much energy heating a freaking barn.
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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15 Aug 2007 06:54:46 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:48:12 GMT, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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Scout wrote:
A number of responses to what Geoff says, but I note that you fail to
address his last question:
"Care to tell us how much energy Bush's house in Kennebunkport and the
Crawford ranch use?"
Would you like to do that now?
WOA* #2278
If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel
http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
__________
*Wicked Old Atheist
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| User: "Geoff" |
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14 Aug 2007 08:32:21 AM |
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Scout wrote:
So do a lot of people's homes, but strangely they don't consume 20
times the national average.
Neither does Gore's.
There are considerable savings when one doesn't have to commute to a
job and then consume an equal amount of energy there.
True, but again, check into home offices as used by countless other
people and tell me they cause a home to consume 20 times the national
average.
Neither does Gore's.
And then there's the fact that the Gores pay a several hundred dollar
premium to purchase power from green sources.
Does this change the basic facts?
Of course it does.
All in all, the Gore household is probably closer to carbon-neutral
than most homes in the US that are much smaller.
Yea, that carbon credit scam does sound really good. You want to know
one source of those "carbon credits"? Loggers. Who clear cut a
forest, and then sell "carbon credits" to replant the trees they cut
down and which they would have to do anyway. But, hey, it sounds
really good to claim that planting some 4oz trees in replacement of
20,000 pound trees makes up for using so much energy heating a
freaking barn.
I'm not arguing logger logic.
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| User: "Scout" |
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14 Aug 2007 03:58:28 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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Scout wrote:
So do a lot of people's homes, but strangely they don't consume 20
times the national average.
Neither does Gore's.
Cites already presented state otherwise. Do you have some sources that
contradict them? If so, why didn't you present them?
There are considerable savings when one doesn't have to commute to a
job and then consume an equal amount of energy there.
True, but again, check into home offices as used by countless other
people and tell me they cause a home to consume 20 times the national
average.
Neither does Gore's.
<yawn> denial isn't just a river in Africa, but your state of mind.
Cites establishing the validity of this claim have already been produced. No
rebuttal sources presented.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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Scout wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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Scout wrote:
So do a lot of people's homes, but strangely they don't consume 20
times the national average.
Neither does Gore's.
Cites already presented state otherwise. Do you have some sources that
contradict them? If so, why didn't you present them?
Try citing something with more credibility. The Tennessee Center for Policy
Research is just one guy, Drew Johnson, with an ax to grind. He never had
access to Gore's utility bills and made that ***** up. Nashville Electric
Service spokesperson Laurie Parker confirms that the never got a request for
information from him and never provided him with the information.
This is classic "kill the messenger" tactics and as such your original claim
has absolutely zero basis. Contradicting sources are no more available than
credible supporting sources.
There are considerable savings when one doesn't have to commute to
a job and then consume an equal amount of energy there.
True, but again, check into home offices as used by countless other
people and tell me they cause a home to consume 20 times the
national average.
Neither does Gore's.
<yawn> denial isn't just a river in Africa, but your state of mind.
/fake laugh on/
Good one! Don't quit that day job!
/fake laugh off/
Cites establishing the validity of this claim have already been
produced. No rebuttal sources presented.
Yeah, I can produce cites from other similar right-wing sources that say the
world was created 6000 years ago and that Noah's Ark is historical. I'm not
about to plan any trips to Turkey. How about you?
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12 Aug 2007 11:07:30 PM |
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Steve <steve@nospam.net> wrote in message
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific consensus on
climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff American business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American business
by
blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via global
warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced by man.
OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a percentage of
total
plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge quantities of
CO2
and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far warmer
before
man, much less American business, ever existed. But damn it it must be
American Industry because Al Gore says so.
No idiot, because scientific observation says so. The reason the sea levels
are lower is because a whole heap of that water is currently residing as
large blocks of ice.... which don't like it when it gets warm.
You are like the frog in the pan of slowly boiling water.... saying, well,
it's only another degree hotter since last time I checked.....no worries
here!
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| User: "Scout" |
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13 Aug 2007 04:34:13 AM |
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific consensus
on
climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff American business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American
business
by
blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via global
warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced by man.
OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a percentage of
total
plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge quantities of
CO2
and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far warmer
before
man, much less American business, ever existed. But damn it it must be
American Industry because Al Gore says so.
No idiot, because scientific observation says so. The reason the sea
levels
are lower is because a whole heap of that water is currently residing as
large blocks of ice.... which don't like it when it gets warm.
You are like the frog in the pan of slowly boiling water.... saying,
well,
it's only another degree hotter since last time I checked.....no worries
here!
Yea, and it's been warmer before in recorded history, and colder. So what's
your point? That the climate changes? We already know what.
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| User: "brique" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
13 Aug 2007 11:36:24 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific consensus
on
climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff American
business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American
business
by
blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via
global
warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced by
man.
OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a percentage of
total
plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge quantities
of
CO2
and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far warmer
before
man, much less American business, ever existed. But damn it it must be
American Industry because Al Gore says so.
No idiot, because scientific observation says so. The reason the sea
levels
are lower is because a whole heap of that water is currently residing as
large blocks of ice.... which don't like it when it gets warm.
You are like the frog in the pan of slowly boiling water.... saying,
well,
it's only another degree hotter since last time I checked.....no worries
here!
Yea, and it's been warmer before in recorded history, and colder. So
what's
your point? That the climate changes? We already know what.
And what's your point, frog, never mind?
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| User: "Scout" |
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13 Aug 2007 05:20:33 PM |
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific
consensus
on
climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff American
business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American
business
by
blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via
global
warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced by
man.
OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a percentage of
total
plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge quantities
of
CO2
and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far warmer
before
man, much less American business, ever existed. But damn it it must be
American Industry because Al Gore says so.
No idiot, because scientific observation says so. The reason the sea
levels
are lower is because a whole heap of that water is currently residing
as
large blocks of ice.... which don't like it when it gets warm.
You are like the frog in the pan of slowly boiling water.... saying,
well,
it's only another degree hotter since last time I checked.....no
worries
here!
Yea, and it's been warmer before in recorded history, and colder. So
what's
your point? That the climate changes? We already know what.
And what's your point, frog,
That you need to establish CAUSES for the current change and whether man has
ANY significant impact on such change. As well as whether there is anything
we can reasonable do to moderate the change. If both answers are no, then
all we can do is ride it out. Whether we do so will cool heads and reasoning
or in blind panic is the only choice.
never mind?
Yea, I generally do find that when I ask people like you to show facts to
support your assertions that man is responsible in any significant manner to
the global temperature changes I get little to nothing in response.
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13 Aug 2007 11:21:01 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific
consensus
on
climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff American
business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American
business
by
blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via
global
warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced by
man.
OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a percentage
of
total
plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge
quantities
of
CO2
and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far
warmer
before
man, much less American business, ever existed. But damn it it must
be
American Industry because Al Gore says so.
No idiot, because scientific observation says so. The reason the sea
levels
are lower is because a whole heap of that water is currently residing
as
large blocks of ice.... which don't like it when it gets warm.
You are like the frog in the pan of slowly boiling water.... saying,
well,
it's only another degree hotter since last time I checked.....no
worries
here!
Yea, and it's been warmer before in recorded history, and colder. So
what's
your point? That the climate changes? We already know what.
And what's your point, frog,
That you need to establish CAUSES for the current change and whether man
has
ANY significant impact on such change. As well as whether there is
anything
we can reasonable do to moderate the change. If both answers are no, then
all we can do is ride it out. Whether we do so will cool heads and
reasoning
or in blind panic is the only choice.
You missed out the third, your choice, blind ignorance born out of sheer
indolence.
never mind?
Yea, I generally do find that when I ask people like you to show facts to
support your assertions that man is responsible in any significant manner
to
the global temperature changes I get little to nothing in response.
You still aint noticed? Quelle surprise.
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13 Aug 2007 09:08:34 AM |
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Scout wrote:
"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
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Steve <steve@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific
consensus on
climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff American
business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American
business
by
blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via
global warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced
by man. OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a
percentage
of total plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge
quantities of CO2 and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far
warmer before man, much less American business, ever existed. But
damn it it must be American Industry because Al Gore says so.
No idiot, because scientific observation says so. The reason the sea
levels
are lower is because a whole heap of that water is currently
residing as large blocks of ice.... which don't like it when it gets
warm. You are like the frog in the pan of slowly boiling water....
saying,
well,
it's only another degree hotter since last time I checked.....no
worries here!
Yea, and it's been warmer before in recorded history, and colder. So
what's your point? That the climate changes? We already know what.
Wrong. The point is *not* that climates change. Any idiot can see that. The
point is the *rate* of climate change, specifically warming. The Earth has
been warming now for just over 100 years at rates *never* before seen in
various historical records (which overlap and agree with eachother) such as
coral growth rates, dendrochronology, ice core analysis, etc.
And sure, the Earth has seen periods (millions of years ago) where sea
levels were much higher than today. And we can be fatalistic (as George
Carlin is) or ignorant (as many conservative pundits are) and say that this
is part of the normal cycle and we should expect it.
That's all well and good, but the problem is that we need to do whatever we
can to maintain a biosphere that is compatible with large human populations.
Increasing sea levels by 200' would likely be the end of civilization as we
know it and large scale dislocations and widespread famine would result.
The world will go on. But human civilization would need to be rebuilt.
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13 Aug 2007 05:05:34 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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Scout wrote:
"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific
consensus on
climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff American
business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American
business
by
blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via
global warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced
by man. OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a
percentage
of total plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge
quantities of CO2 and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far
warmer before man, much less American business, ever existed. But
damn it it must be American Industry because Al Gore says so.
No idiot, because scientific observation says so. The reason the sea
levels
are lower is because a whole heap of that water is currently
residing as large blocks of ice.... which don't like it when it gets
warm. You are like the frog in the pan of slowly boiling water....
saying,
well,
it's only another degree hotter since last time I checked.....no
worries here!
Yea, and it's been warmer before in recorded history, and colder. So
what's your point? That the climate changes? We already know what.
Wrong. The point is *not* that climates change. Any idiot can see that.
The point is the *rate* of climate change, specifically warming.
Oh, gee, the climate is changing at a rate you don't like. Well, *****, let's
stop the planet and let you get off since you don't like things.
The Earth has been warming now for just over 100 years at rates *never*
before seen in various historical records (which overlap and agree with
eachother) such as coral growth rates, dendrochronology, ice core
analysis, etc.
Nonsense, there are already records that show the sea level considerably
higher, and hence the planet warmer than current history. We are simply at
the current warmest period in this interglacial age, not the highest
temperature known. Nor is there any real solid evidence to indicate what the
rate of change was in the past periods. So unless you are prepared to show
me facts that indicate that man is a significant factor.....your lips are
flapping but not much less is occurring.
And sure, the Earth has seen periods (millions of years ago) where sea
levels were much higher than today. And we can be fatalistic (as George
Carlin is) or ignorant (as many conservative pundits are) and say that
this is part of the normal cycle and we should expect it.
And you decide we should all panic and run around screaming the sky is
falling.
Sorry, I'll wait for some better evidence before claiming man is to blame
particularly given significant natural changes that impact global warming.
That's all well and good, but the problem is that we need to do whatever
we can to maintain a biosphere that is compatible with large human
populations.
Feel free to shut down your computer at any time to help accomplish this.
Increasing sea levels by 200' would likely be the end of civilization as
we know it and large scale dislocations and widespread famine would
result.
Welcome to Real Life, where nature not man is in control of so much of what
we depend on.
The world will go on. But human civilization would need to be rebuilt.
Welcome to reality.
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| Title: Re: Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
14 Aug 2007 04:12:29 AM |
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"Scout" <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
Oh, gee, the climate is changing at a rate you
don't like. Well, *****, let's stop the planet and
let you get off since you don't like things.
Well, gee, the right-wing has gotten everything else
right so far, so why not trust them on something as
trivial as the future shape of the continents?
I mean, they were right about the tax cuts not causing
a deficit... the WMDs in Iraq... Iraqi oil paying for the
war & reconstruction... it was all going to be over in
a matter of hours... matter of days... weeks... as
soon as they catch Saddam...
With the proven record of the right-wing (presently
batting zero), how can anyone afford to not trust
them when the only thing at stake is the survival of
the nation itself?
Sure, if they said something like "Two gay people
getting married has no impact on your life, and
it's none of your business," you'd HAVE NO CHOICE
but to ignore them. But so long as it's only the
food belt rising north -- and outside the United
States -- you can afford to stick with the proven
track record of the right-wing....
*****, you are one seriously fucked up *****.
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| User: "brique" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
13 Aug 2007 11:47:32 AM |
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Scout wrote:
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific
consensus on
climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff American
business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American
business
by
blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via
global warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced
by man. OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a
percentage
of total plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge
quantities of CO2 and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far
warmer before man, much less American business, ever existed. But
damn it it must be American Industry because Al Gore says so.
No idiot, because scientific observation says so. The reason the sea
levels
are lower is because a whole heap of that water is currently
residing as large blocks of ice.... which don't like it when it gets
warm. You are like the frog in the pan of slowly boiling water....
saying,
well,
it's only another degree hotter since last time I checked.....no
worries here!
Yea, and it's been warmer before in recorded history, and colder. So
what's your point? That the climate changes? We already know what.
Wrong. The point is *not* that climates change. Any idiot can see that.
The
point is the *rate* of climate change, specifically warming. The Earth has
been warming now for just over 100 years at rates *never* before seen in
various historical records (which overlap and agree with eachother) such
as
coral growth rates, dendrochronology, ice core analysis, etc.
And sure, the Earth has seen periods (millions of years ago) where sea
levels were much higher than today. And we can be fatalistic (as George
Carlin is) or ignorant (as many conservative pundits are) and say that
this
is part of the normal cycle and we should expect it.
That's all well and good, but the problem is that we need to do whatever
we
can to maintain a biosphere that is compatible with large human
populations.
Increasing sea levels by 200' would likely be the end of civilization as
we
know it and large scale dislocations and widespread famine would result.
The world will go on. But human civilization would need to be rebuilt.
It's the blame culture, it wasn't me so I need do nothing. I dont really
give a monkeys as to _why_ the sea levels are rising, they are and it's a
done thing and while it may be nice to have the definitive causes known for
the historical record, I think it far better to prepare ourselves as ably
as possible to ensure there are people and the means still around to both
write and read that historical record.
If we can slow the rate of warming, then we should make every effort to do
so, to buy ourselves time and opportunity to adapt to the newer, different
environments we will, as a species, face.
If we can eke out non-renewable resources beyond the current estimate
depletion dates, then we should. If that means stopping using them as
feedstock for materials we can just as easily obtain from renewable sources,
then we should do so and thus keep the non-reneweables for what they do best
or uniquely well.
When one considers the sheer impact on energy usage that doing really simple
stuff can have, like not leaving electrical equipment on standby, turning
down your heating a few degrees, using the 30degree wash setting on your
machine, using low-energy lighting, etc. nevermind the benefit in reduced
utility bills, it all seems a bit of a no-brainer. So why the opposition?
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| Title: Re: Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
13 Aug 2007 05:22:04 PM |
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
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Geoff <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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Scout wrote:
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific
consensus on
climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff American
business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American
business
by
blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via
global warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced
by man. OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a
percentage
of total plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge
quantities of CO2 and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far
warmer before man, much less American business, ever existed. But
damn it it must be American Industry because Al Gore says so.
No idiot, because scientific observation says so. The reason the sea
levels
are lower is because a whole heap of that water is currently
residing as large blocks of ice.... which don't like it when it gets
warm. You are like the frog in the pan of slowly boiling water....
saying,
well,
it's only another degree hotter since last time I checked.....no
worries here!
Yea, and it's been warmer before in recorded history, and colder. So
what's your point? That the climate changes? We already know what.
Wrong. The point is *not* that climates change. Any idiot can see that.
The
point is the *rate* of climate change, specifically warming. The Earth
has
been warming now for just over 100 years at rates *never* before seen in
various historical records (which overlap and agree with eachother) such
as
coral growth rates, dendrochronology, ice core analysis, etc.
And sure, the Earth has seen periods (millions of years ago) where sea
levels were much higher than today. And we can be fatalistic (as George
Carlin is) or ignorant (as many conservative pundits are) and say that
this
is part of the normal cycle and we should expect it.
That's all well and good, but the problem is that we need to do whatever
we
can to maintain a biosphere that is compatible with large human
populations.
Increasing sea levels by 200' would likely be the end of civilization as
we
know it and large scale dislocations and widespread famine would result.
The world will go on. But human civilization would need to be rebuilt.
It's the blame culture, it wasn't me so I need do nothing. I dont really
give a monkeys as to _why_ the sea levels are rising, they are and it's a
done thing and while it may be nice to have the definitive causes known
for
the historical record, I think it far better to prepare ourselves as ably
as possible to ensure there are people and the means still around to both
write and read that historical record.
If we can slow the rate of warming, then we should make every effort to do
so,
If so, then I expect you to cease any and all unnecessary energy consumption
and hence never, ever, expect to see you post another message again since
that will indicate that you are a hypocrite unwilling to make EVERY effort
to reduce the rate of warming.
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| User: "brique" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
13 Aug 2007 11:17:39 PM |
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Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific
consensus on
climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff American
business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American
business
by
blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via
global warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced
by man. OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a
percentage
of total plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge
quantities of CO2 and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far
warmer before man, much less American business, ever existed. But
damn it it must be American Industry because Al Gore says so.
No idiot, because scientific observation says so. The reason the sea
levels
are lower is because a whole heap of that water is currently
residing as large blocks of ice.... which don't like it when it gets
warm. You are like the frog in the pan of slowly boiling water....
saying,
well,
it's only another degree hotter since last time I checked.....no
worries here!
Yea, and it's been warmer before in recorded history, and colder. So
what's your point? That the climate changes? We already know what.
Wrong. The point is *not* that climates change. Any idiot can see that.
The
point is the *rate* of climate change, specifically warming. The Earth
has
been warming now for just over 100 years at rates *never* before seen
in
various historical records (which overlap and agree with eachother)
such
as
coral growth rates, dendrochronology, ice core analysis, etc.
And sure, the Earth has seen periods (millions of years ago) where sea
levels were much higher than today. And we can be fatalistic (as George
Carlin is) or ignorant (as many conservative pundits are) and say that
this
is part of the normal cycle and we should expect it.
That's all well and good, but the problem is that we need to do
whatever
we
can to maintain a biosphere that is compatible with large human
populations.
Increasing sea levels by 200' would likely be the end of civilization
as
we
know it and large scale dislocations and widespread famine would
result.
The world will go on. But human civilization would need to be rebuilt.
It's the blame culture, it wasn't me so I need do nothing. I dont really
give a monkeys as to _why_ the sea levels are rising, they are and it's
a
done thing and while it may be nice to have the definitive causes known
for
the historical record, I think it far better to prepare ourselves as
ably
as possible to ensure there are people and the means still around to
both
write and read that historical record.
If we can slow the rate of warming, then we should make every effort to
do
so,
If so, then I expect you to cease any and all unnecessary energy
consumption
and hence never, ever, expect to see you post another message again since
that will indicate that you are a hypocrite unwilling to make EVERY effort
to reduce the rate of warming.
Huhuh, poor fool, I use renewable energy sources, I'm pretty much
carbon-nuetral, working towards being carbon-positive. This machine is
home-built from recycled kit thrown away, I cycle to and from work, etc,
etc. All of which is somewhat wasted in the great scale of things by the
simple expedient of you opening your mouth and expelling a tumult of hot
air. But there you go.
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| Title: Re: Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
13 Aug 2007 09:49:33 AM |
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On Aug 13, 7:08 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Scout wrote:
"brique" <briquen...@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
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Steve <st...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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JTEM wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases
Crime Rate
Another book says that Santa Claus will be visiting your
home next Christmas Eve...
Anyway, the fact that a conservative (Read: Anti-Abortion)
"Think Tank" would come out with a book that slams
abortion is hardly newsworthy.
Guess what else the AEI thinks? They think the scientific
consensus on
climate change is a global conspiracy to handcuff American
business.
It is when people are attempting to use it to restrict American
business
by
blaming them for the change.
Don't you know that American Industry is destroying the world via
global warming?
OK, only about 5% of total CO2 is produced every year is produced
by man. OK, water vapor, which man produces almost none of as a
percentage
of total plays a much greater roll in the greehouse effect.
OK, China, India, Russia, and other countries produce huge
quantities of CO2 and have no intention of reducing it.
OK, sea levels were well over 200' higher and temperatures far
warmer before man, much less American business, ever existed. But
damn it it must be American Industry because Al Gore says so.
No idiot, because scientific observation says so. The reason the sea
levels
are lower is because a whole heap of that water is currently
residing as large blocks of ice.... which don't like it when it gets
warm. You are like the frog in the pan of slowly boiling water....
saying,
well,
it's only another degree hotter since last time I checked.....no
worries here!
Yea, and it's been warmer before in recorded history, and colder. So
what's your point? That the climate changes? We already know what.
Wrong. The point is *not* that climates change. Any idiot can see that. The
point is the *rate* of climate change, specifically warming. The Earth has
been warming now for just over 100 years at rates *never* before seen in
various historical records (which overlap and agree with eachother) such as
coral growth rates, dendrochronology, ice core analysis, etc.
And sure, the Earth has seen periods (millions of years ago) where sea
levels were much higher than today. And we can be fatalistic (as George
Carlin is) or ignorant (as many conservative pundits are) and say that this
is part of the normal cycle and we should expect it.
That's all well and good, but the problem is that we need to do whatever we
can to maintain a biosphere that is compatible with large human populations.
Increasing sea levels by 200' would likely be the end of civilization as we
know it and large scale dislocations and widespread famine would result.
Pardon the interruption: where does the 200' figure come from? I
can't recall seeing that one before.
If I recall correctly, Mr. Gore's documentary spoke of a 20' rise
being possible (and there were some scientists that disputed that
figure).
[Don't get me wrong; I'm all for energy conservation and cutting
pollution where possible. I can remember skateboarding in southern
California in the early 60's (back when skateboards were literally
boards with disassembled skates attached). The smog was so bad that
your lungs would actually *hurt* after an afternoon of such activity.
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