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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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11 Aug 2007 07:16:18 PM |
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Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1879410/posts
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases Crime Rate
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/10/07 | Hilary White
Posted on 08/10/2007 12:37:58 PM PDT by wagglebee
WASHINGTON, August 10, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A book published in
June by a leading US economist in part responds to previous and oft-
quoted claims that abortion has been a significant factor in lowering
the U.S. crime rate. The book by John R. Lott of the American
Enterprise Institute, "Freedomnomics," answers claims by liberal
economist Steven Levitt that abortion, in reducing the number of
"unwanted" children, has eliminated significant numbers of the kind of
people who commit crimes.
Lott's 2001 study, "Abortion and Crime: Unwanted Children and Out-of-
Wedlock Births" concluded that legalized abortion has in fact
increased the overall violent crime rate.
"We find evidence that legalizing abortion increased murder rates by
around about 0.5 to 7 percent... Others note that the legalizing of
abortion might contribute to a coarsening of society that might itself
lead to more crime."
"Freedomnomics," is being called a conservative response to the
publication of a manifesto of liberal political and economic theory by
University of Chicago economist Steven Levitt and New York Times
journalist Stephen J. Dubner, which topped the 2005 New York Times
bestseller list.
"Freakonomics," claimed that "legalized abortion may account for as
much as one-half of the overall crime reduction" during the 1990s.
This claim was seized upon by abortion advocates, notably Dr. Henry
Morgentaler, Canada's most notorious abortionist, who claimed it was
proof that vindicated their claims and support for abortion on
demand.
The conclusion that abortion actually tends to increase crime rates
coincides with a study published earlier this year. That study
examined data on 237 low-income women in Baltimore and showed a
statistical correlation between abortion and incidents of child abuse.
Published in March in the Internet Journal of Pediatrics and
Neonatology, the study a showed history of abortion is associated with
more frequent acts of physical aggression toward subsequent children.
Read the study "Abortion and Crime: Unwanted Children and Out-of-
Wedlock Births" online:
http://lsr.nellco.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1018&c...
Read related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:
Abortion Linked to Higher Rates of Child Abuse, Study Finds
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/mar/07031301.html
Media Ignoring Study Saying Abortion Increases Crime
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2001/sep/01091005.html
Study Linking Abortion and Lower Crime Rates Published
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2001/may/01051702.html
Experts Debunk Donohue/Levitt Study Connecting Abortion and Crime
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2001/may/01053005.html
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Duck & Run Can't Make an Argument to Save his Life Let Alone a Fetus's, so He LIES Again |
27 Aug 2007 05:24:49 AM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:32:46 -0700, Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Here are the facts:
It's Duck & Run who is paradoxically against welfare, not me. Despite
the fact that his fictional Jesus was largely in favor of welfare
(unless the money could be spent on him instead), Duck & Run is
thoroughly against it. He'd rather see children die from lack of food
than get a helping hand.
But the Catholic Church is dedicated to helping the needy and the hungry. You
prefer to kill the fetus.
*I* didn't value those lives, and neither did the study. It was Duck
& Run who placed that valuation on them out of desperation because I
won't talk to him any more until he gets down on his bended knees and
begs forgiveness for his trespasses.
You're the one, bubba dud, that thinks abortion at 48million since Roe v Wade is
a better choice than the billions of dollars it takes to help the newborns. That
means your value on human life is $286 each.
It is Duck & Run who has cheapened life, not me. Even if it were true
that I had placed that particular value on human life, it would still
be some 300 dollars higher than the value that hypocrite places on the
lives he joyfully kisses off to eternity in hell.
It's Duck & Run who cheapens life by saying things along the lines of
the 9/11 victims deserving what they got because they served the
fictional god Mammon instead of the fictional god Yahweh.
Wow!! When did I say that?
It's Duck & Run who hypocritically whines about that fictional 48
million aborted fetuses WHEN WORLDWIDE,, FOUR TIMES THAT MANY CHILDREN
HAVE DIED FROM HUNGER AND MALNUTRITION since Row vs. Wade - not one of
whom he gives a flying ***** about.
We of the Christian world spend much to aid the poor. You prefer to kill them
before they cost YOU money.
But of course, the overwhelming majority of *those* children are dark-
skinned, so why would *he* care about those when he can deliver white
babies into a life of welfare and then deny it to them?
**You** say "kill them". **I** say help them.
That's what you have to expect from hypocritical, lying, cowardly,
vacuous scum like Duck & Run.
But then you knew that! We all did.
Budikka
Yes, we all know what you stand for, bud the dud.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Ronald More-More Moshki" |
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| Title: Re: Duck & Run Can't Make an Argument to Save his Life Let Alone a Fetus's, so He LIES Again |
27 Aug 2007 01:47:34 PM |
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On Aug 27, 6:24 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:32:46 -0700, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
Here are the facts:
It's Duck & Run who is paradoxically against welfare, not me. Despite
the fact that his fictional Jesus was largely in favor of welfare
(unless the money could be spent on him instead), Duck & Run is
thoroughly against it. He'd rather see children die from lack of food
than get a helping hand.
But the Catholic Church is dedicated to helping the needy and the hungry. You
prefer to kill the fetus.
*I* didn't value those lives, and neither did the study. It was Duck
& Run who placed that valuation on them out of desperation because I
won't talk to him any more until he gets down on his bended knees and
begs forgiveness for his trespasses.
You're the one, bubba dud, that thinks abortion at 48million since Roe v Wade is
a better choice than the billions of dollars it takes to help the newborns. That
means your value on human life is $286 each.
It is Duck & Run who has cheapened life, not me. Even if it were true
that I had placed that particular value on human life, it would still
be some 300 dollars higher than the value that hypocrite places on the
lives he joyfully kisses off to eternity in hell.
It's Duck & Run who cheapens life by saying things along the lines of
the 9/11 victims deserving what they got because they served the
fictional god Mammon instead of the fictional god Yahweh.
Wow!! When did I say that?
It's Duck & Run who hypocritically whines about that fictional 48
million aborted fetuses WHEN WORLDWIDE,, FOUR TIMES THAT MANY CHILDREN
HAVE DIED FROM HUNGER AND MALNUTRITION since Row vs. Wade - not one of
whom he gives a flying ***** about.
We of the Christian world spend much to aid the poor. You prefer to kill them
before they cost YOU money.
But of course, the overwhelming majority of *those* children are dark-
skinned, so why would *he* care about those when he can deliver white
babies into a life of welfare and then deny it to them?
**You** say "kill them". **I** say help them.
That's what you have to expect from hypocritical, lying, cowardly,
vacuous scum like Duck & Run.
But then you knew that! We all did.
Budikka
Yes, we all know what you stand for, bud the dud.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
The RCC "helps the needy" much as an old pizza shop serving
as a drug-running enterprise used to 'feed the public'.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Duck & Run Can't Make an Argument to Save his Life Let Alone a Fetus's, so He LIES Again |
27 Aug 2007 02:01:57 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:47:34 -0700, Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
<sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The RCC "helps the needy" much as an old pizza shop serving
as a drug-running enterprise used to 'feed the public'.
All that money that is collected goes to the needy.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Syd M." |
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| Title: Re: Duck & Run Can't Make an Argument to Save his Life Let Alone a Fetus's, so He LIES Again |
02 Sep 2007 03:39:06 AM |
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On Aug 27, 3:01 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:47:34 -0700, Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
<sector_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The RCC "helps the needy" much as an old pizza shop serving
as a drug-running enterprise used to 'feed the public'.
All that money that is collected goes to the needy.
Yeah, the already wealthy needy.
PDW
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| User: "Dave by the Beach" |
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| Title: Re: Duck & Run Can't Make an Argument to Save his Life Let Alone a Fetus's, so He LIES Again |
01 Sep 2007 03:05:28 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:01:57 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:47:34 -0700, Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
<sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The RCC "helps the needy" much as an old pizza shop serving
as a drug-running enterprise used to 'feed the public'.
All that money that is collected goes to the needy.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Yup.
After they pay off the abuse lawsuits.
And the abortions for the girlfriends of some priests.
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| User: "Steve O" |
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| Title: Re: Duck & Run Can't Make an Argument to Save his Life Let Alone a Fetus's, so He LIES Again |
01 Sep 2007 05:10:39 PM |
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"Dave by the Beach" <dvs519@eathlink.net> wrote in message
news:nehjd3p8ipf5paj3ckhdi5q403cag3kag3@4ax.com...
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:01:57 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:47:34 -0700, Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
<sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The RCC "helps the needy" much as an old pizza shop serving
as a drug-running enterprise used to 'feed the public'.
All that money that is collected goes to the needy.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Yup.
After they pay off the abuse lawsuits.
And the abortions for the girlfriends of some priests.
Actually, if you want to see where all the money goes, visit the Vatican.
That place is dripping with riches.
Step outside the Vatican, and you'll see the beggars, homeless, etc.
I don't think they managed to get hold of any of the money.
--
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
"The only problem with Baptists is that they don't hold them underwater long
enough."
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Duck & Run Can't Make an Argument to Save his Life Let Alone a Fetus's, so He LIES Again |
01 Sep 2007 10:26:22 PM |
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:05:28 -0700, Dave by the Beach
<dvs519@eathlink.net> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:01:57 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:47:34 -0700, Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
<sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The RCC "helps the needy" much as an old pizza shop serving
as a drug-running enterprise used to 'feed the public'.
All that money that is collected goes to the needy.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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Yup.
After they pay off the abuse lawsuits.
And the abortions for the girlfriends of some priests.
Ever see a Bishop or a Cardinal driving an old beat up Chevy? Part of
the money goes to someone to drive the car, part goes to the local
Mercedes dealer ...
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Duck & Run Can't Make an Argument to Save his Life Let Alone a Fetus's, so He LIES Again |
27 Aug 2007 07:56:51 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:47:34 -0700, Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
<sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The RCC "helps the needy" much as an old pizza shop serving
as a drug-running enterprise used to 'feed the public'.
The RCC definitely helps the needy - the needy priests, the needy
bishops, the needy cardinals ...
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| User: "Ronald More-More Moshki" |
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| Title: Re: Duck & Run Can't Make an Argument to Save his Life Let Alone a Fetus's, so He LIES Again |
27 Aug 2007 08:24:55 PM |
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On Aug 27, 8:56 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:47:34 -0700, Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
<sector_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The RCC "helps the needy" much as an old pizza shop serving
as a drug-running enterprise used to 'feed the public'.
The RCC definitely helps the needy - the needy priests, the needy
bishops, the needy cardinals ...
Knowing.
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| User: "duke" |
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28 Aug 2007 05:09:07 AM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:56:51 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:47:34 -0700, Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
<sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The RCC "helps the needy" much as an old pizza shop serving
as a drug-running enterprise used to 'feed the public'.
The RCC definitely helps the needy - the needy priests, the needy
bishops, the needy cardinals ...
And the needy atheist wannabe's.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Syd M." |
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| Title: Re: Duck & Run Can't Make an Argument to Save his Life Let Alone a Fetus's, so He LIES Again |
02 Sep 2007 03:39:59 AM |
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On Aug 28, 6:09 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:56:51 -0400, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:47:34 -0700, Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
<sector_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The RCC "helps the needy" much as an old pizza shop serving
as a drug-running enterprise used to 'feed the public'.
The RCC definitely helps the needy - the needy priests, the needy
bishops, the needy cardinals ...
And the needy atheist wannabe's.
And the needy theists wannabe's...
PDW
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Bud the dud values human life at $292 ea - Legalised Abortion Saved $14 Billion in Welfare Hand Outs |
26 Aug 2007 12:30:26 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:01:28 -0400, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com>
wrote:
In article <peu2d39lrvdtenu83fh98kq18e9j14t9u0@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 25 Aug 2007 19:46:09 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
You don't excuse your immorality and your lying by insulting your betters.
I have no betters on this ng.
did your god make you post that lie?
No, no he didn't. But it is the abortion queen bud the dud's legacy.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Bud the dud values human life at $292 ea - Legalised Abortion Saved $14 Billion in Welfare Hand Outs |
26 Aug 2007 04:58:49 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:35:19 -0700, Budikka666
<budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
As long as Mound of Bumfluff is blathering on about marginal claims
in papers he clearly doesn't understand, let's toss in a paper which
does make sense. The paper is titled: "Abortion Legalization and
Child Living Circumstances: Who is the "Marginal Child?" by Gruber,
Levine, and Staiger, and an abstract can be seen here:
http://ideas.repec.org/p/nbr/nberwo/6034.html
This paper makes the case that a fetus which had not been aborted
would have gone on to be "70% more likely to live in a single parent
family, 40% more likely to live in poverty, 50% more likely to
receive welfare, and 35% more likely to die as an infant. These
selection effects imply that the legalization of abortion saved the
government over $14 billion in welfare expenditures through 1994."
This is the kind of life pro-lifers demand for our children.
When it comes to choosing $14 billion or choosing 48 million human
beings butchered for mommie's comfort and convenience, bud the dud
says "show me the money". That's a bubba dud human life valued at
$291.67 each.
Like you wouldn't eliminate welfare in a second if you could.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
12 Aug 2007 01:54:59 AM |
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On 12 Aug., 02:16, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1879410/posts
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases Crime Rate
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/10/07 | Hilary White
If you want to be taken seriously, please use serious sources.
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| User: "elizabeth" |
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11 Aug 2007 07:20:24 PM |
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On Aug 11, 5:16 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
Strumpet, CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION.
If 100% of the low income women had aborted, THERE WOULD BE NO CRIMES
COMMITTED. It's hard for someone who is not in existance to commit a
crime, don't you think?
or *don't* you?
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| User: "Steve" |
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12 Aug 2007 11:25:29 AM |
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"elizabeth" <efrantes@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186878024.890165.14520@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 11, 5:16 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
Strumpet, CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION.
If 100% of the low income women had aborted, THERE WOULD BE NO CRIMES
COMMITTED.
You have some evidence that 100% of crimes are committed by children of "low
income women"?
It's hard for someone who is not in existance to commit a
crime, don't you think?
or *don't* you?
It's pretty clear from the statement you made above you didn't.
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| User: "brique" |
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12 Aug 2007 06:56:36 AM |
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elizabeth <efrantes@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186878024.890165.14520@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 11, 5:16 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
Strumpet, CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION.
If 100% of the low income women had aborted, THERE WOULD BE NO CRIMES
COMMITTED. It's hard for someone who is not in existance to commit a
crime, don't you think?
or *don't* you?
he doesn't think.... that is pretty much obvious. It is funny to hear the
rightards ***** about single-parent families and blaming them for high crime
rates, next they ***** if there aint even more single-parent families and
blame that for high crime rates......
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| User: "" |
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12 Aug 2007 07:29:04 AM |
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On Aug 12, 7:56 am, "brique" <briquen...@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186878024.890165.14520@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 11, 5:16 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
Strumpet, CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION.
If 100% of the low income women had aborted, THERE WOULD BE NO CRIMES
COMMITTED. It's hard for someone who is not in existance to commit a
crime, don't you think?
or *don't* you?
he doesn't think.... that is pretty much obvious. It is funny to hear the
rightards ***** about single-parent families and blaming them for high crime
rates, next they ***** if there aint even more single-parent families and
blame that for high crime rates......
Sound of Troll's palms are too sweaty for him to do any
thinking. It's the little boys who play outside his trailer.
In this particular case, though, he really does seem to
be scraping the bottom of the barrel. Do you suppose
his abuse to statistics is a joke, genuine stupidity, or
just the usual spam?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Troll Increases Stupidity Rate |
12 Aug 2007 01:57:37 PM |
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On 12 aug, 14:29, wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:56 am, "brique" <briquen...@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186878024.890165.14520@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 11, 5:16 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
Strumpet, CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION.
If 100% of the low income women had aborted, THERE WOULD BE NO CRIMES
COMMITTED. It's hard for someone who is not in existance to commit a
crime, don't you think?
or *don't* you?
he doesn't think.... that is pretty much obvious. It is funny to hear the
rightards ***** about single-parent families and blaming them for high crime
rates, next they ***** if there aint even more single-parent families and
blame that for high crime rates......
Sound of Troll's palms are too sweaty for him to do any
thinking. It's the little boys who play outside his trailer.
In this particular case, though, he really does seem to
be scraping the bottom of the barrel. Do you suppose
his abuse to statistics is a joke, genuine stupidity, or
just the usual spam?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
Ever saw the trumpet react on anything at all?
Yes it is just the usual spam.
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| User: "bowman" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
12 Aug 2007 12:09:32 PM |
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elizabeth wrote:
If 100% of the low income women had aborted, THERE WOULD BE NO CRIMES
COMMITTED. It's hard for someone who is not in existance to commit a
crime, don't you think?
Why pick on low income women? The fine people who are bringing you the
current state of world affairs for the most part came from high income
households. Or is robbing you with a Glock different to robbing you with
insider trading, no-bid contracts, and so forth? We need equal opportunity
abortion!
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Gwenyth Bennet" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
17 Aug 2007 08:00:18 AM |
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On Aug 11, 7:16 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1879410/posts
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases Crime Rate
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/10/07 | Hilary White
Posted on 08/10/2007 12:37:58 PM PDT by wagglebee
WASHINGTON, August 10, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A book published in
June by a leading US economist in part responds to previous and oft-
quoted claims that abortion has been a significant factor in lowering
the U.S. crime rate. The book by John R. Lott of the American
Enterprise Institute, "Freedomnomics," answers claims by liberal
economist Steven Levitt that abortion, in reducing the number of
"unwanted" children, has eliminated significant numbers of the kind of
people who commit crimes.
Lott's 2001 study, "Abortion and Crime: Unwanted Children and Out-of-
Wedlock Births" concluded that legalized abortion has in fact
increased the overall violent crime rate.
This doesn't make any sense. And you know why, spammer. Now, *****
and die.
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
11 Aug 2007 09:40:03 PM |
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On Aug 11, 8:16 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1879410/posts
In a similar analysis, said commitee figured out flies cause garbage,
and loud noises create motorcycles.
Hatter
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| User: "" |
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14 Aug 2007 01:07:21 PM |
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On Aug 11, 8:16 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1879410/posts
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases Crime Rate
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/10/07 | Hilary White
Posted on 08/10/2007 12:37:58 PM PDT by wagglebee
"We find evidence that legalizing abortion increased murder rates by
around about 0.5 to 7 percent... Others note that the legalizing of
abortion might contribute to a coarsening of society that might itself
lead to more crime."
Yes, indeed. Unprovable, of course, but excellent theory. Of course,
pro choicers will hate it on principle. But it does make sense.
Fostering a cavalier attitude about life probably doesn't have a great
effect on society as a whole. And of course, it is in places with the
least respect for human life where the greatest human rights
violations occur. And violent crime certainly qualifies as that.
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| User: "brique" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
15 Aug 2007 01:01:02 PM |
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<patrick.barnes@standardregister.com> wrote in message
news:1187114841.302720.185300@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 11, 8:16 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1879410/posts
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases Crime Rate
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/10/07 | Hilary White
Posted on 08/10/2007 12:37:58 PM PDT by wagglebee
"We find evidence that legalizing abortion increased murder rates by
around about 0.5 to 7 percent... Others note that the legalizing of
abortion might contribute to a coarsening of society that might itself
lead to more crime."
Yes, indeed. Unprovable, of course, but excellent theory. Of course,
pro choicers will hate it on principle. But it does make sense.
Fostering a cavalier attitude about life probably doesn't have a great
effect on society as a whole. And of course, it is in places with the
least respect for human life where the greatest human rights
violations occur. And violent crime certainly qualifies as that.
You rightards need some joined up thinking here.
You blame lower class low income types for recklessly getting pregnant to
men who promptly bug out for producing the criminal underclass and now you
want to make damned sure every one of them has the resultant kid?
So, which is it? You want more fatherless kids to fall into a criminal
lifestyle or do you want fewer?
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| User: "*Anarcissie*" |
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14 Aug 2007 02:03:12 PM |
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On Aug 14, 2:07 pm, wrote:
On Aug 11, 8:16 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1879410/posts
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases Crime Rate
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/10/07 | Hilary White
Posted on 08/10/2007 12:37:58 PM PDT by wagglebee
"We find evidence that legalizing abortion increased murder rates by
around about 0.5 to 7 percent... Others note that the legalizing of
abortion might contribute to a coarsening of society that might itself
lead to more crime."
Yes, indeed. Unprovable, of course, but excellent theory. Of course,
pro choicers will hate it on principle. But it does make sense.
Fostering a cavalier attitude about life probably doesn't have a great
effect on society as a whole. And of course, it is in places with the
least respect for human life where the greatest human rights
violations occur. And violent crime certainly qualifies as that.
What explains the deliberate misuse of statistics (lying)
by anti-abortionists?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Anti-Abortionists Increase Falsehood Rate |
14 Aug 2007 05:02:30 PM |
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On Aug 14, 3:03 pm, *Anarcissie* <anarcis...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 14, 2:07 pm, wrote:
On Aug 11, 8:16 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1879410/posts
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases Crime Rate
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/10/07 | Hilary White
Posted on 08/10/2007 12:37:58 PM PDT by wagglebee
"We find evidence that legalizing abortion increased murder rates by
around about 0.5 to 7 percent... Others note that the legalizing of
abortion might contribute to a coarsening of society that might itself
lead to more crime."
Yes, indeed. Unprovable, of course, but excellent theory. Of course,
pro choicers will hate it on principle. But it does make sense.
Fostering a cavalier attitude about life probably doesn't have a great
effect on society as a whole. And of course, it is in places with the
least respect for human life where the greatest human rights
violations occur. And violent crime certainly qualifies as that.
What explains the deliberate misuse of statistics (lying)
by anti-abortionists?
They're fanatics who are more interested in pushing their agenda than
in pushing the truth.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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14 Aug 2007 09:12:47 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:07:21 -0700, patrick.barnes wrote:
On Aug 11, 8:16 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1879410/posts
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases Crime Rate
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/10/07 | Hilary White
Posted on 08/10/2007 12:37:58 PM PDT by wagglebee
"We find evidence that legalizing abortion increased murder rates by
around about 0.5 to 7 percent... Others note that the legalizing of
abortion might contribute to a coarsening of society that might itself
lead to more crime."
Yes, indeed. Unprovable, of course, but excellent theory.
I love that. It's useless but "excellent".
Of course,
pro choicers will hate it on principle. But it does make sense.
No, it doesn't. The decline in violent crime we've seen for a while
correlates to the legalization of abortion. In about the number of years
it takes to reach teen years, after Roe v. Wade, violent crime started to
fall off. And in states that had legalized before Roe v. Wade, the drop
started about the same number of years after they had legalized.
Correlation may not be causality but the declines are real. And that
flies in the face of any attempt to claim legalized abortion increases
crime.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Arrogance has to be earned. Tell me what you've done to earn yours."
- Dr. House
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| User: "" |
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15 Aug 2007 11:34:13 PM |
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On Aug 11, 8:16 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1879410/posts
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases Crime Rate
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/10/07 | Hilary White
Posted on 08/10/2007 12:37:58 PM PDT by wagglebee
WASHINGTON, August 10, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A book published in
June by a leading US economist in part responds to previous and oft-
quoted claims that abortion has been a significant factor in lowering
the U.S. crime rate. The book by John R. Lott of the American
Enterprise Institute, "Freedomnomics," answers claims by liberal
economist Steven Levitt that abortion, in reducing the number of
"unwanted" children, has eliminated significant numbers of the kind of
people who commit crimes.
Lott's 2001 study, "Abortion and Crime: Unwanted Children and Out-of-
Wedlock Births" concluded that legalized abortion has in fact
increased the overall violent crime rate.
"We find evidence that legalizing abortion increased murder rates by
around about 0.5 to 7 percent... Others note that the legalizing of
abortion might contribute to a coarsening of society that might itself
lead to more crime."
"Freedomnomics," is being called a conservative response to the
publication of a manifesto of liberal political and economic theory by
University of Chicago economist Steven Levitt and New York Times
journalist Stephen J. Dubner, which topped the 2005 New York Times
bestseller list.
"Freakonomics," claimed that "legalized abortion may account for as
much as one-half of the overall crime reduction" during the 1990s.
This claim was seized upon by abortion advocates, notably Dr. Henry
Morgentaler, Canada's most notorious abortionist, who claimed it was
proof that vindicated their claims and support for abortion on
demand.
The conclusion that abortion actually tends to increase crime rates
coincides with a study published earlier this year. That study
examined data on 237 low-income women in Baltimore and showed a
statistical correlation between abortion and incidents of child abuse.
Published in March in the Internet Journal of Pediatrics and
Neonatology, the study a showed history of abortion is associated with
more frequent acts of physical aggression toward subsequent children.
Read the study "Abortion and Crime: Unwanted Children and Out-of-
Wedlock Births" online:http://lsr.nellco.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1018&c...
Read related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:
Abortion Linked to Higher Rates of Child Abuse, Study Findshttp://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/mar/07031301.html
Media Ignoring Study Saying Abortion Increases Crimehttp://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2001/sep/01091005.html
Study Linking Abortion and Lower Crime Rates Publishedhttp://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2001/may/01051702.html
Experts Debunk Donohue/Levitt Study Connecting Abortion and Crimehttp://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2001/may/01053005.html
SOUNDS TRUMPED UP TO ME
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
12 Aug 2007 03:29:39 PM |
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On Aug 11, 8:16 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1879410/posts
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases Crime Rate
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/10/07 | Hilary White
Posted on 08/10/2007 12:37:58 PM PDT by wagglebee
WASHINGTON, August 10, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A book published in
June by a leading US economist in part responds to previous and oft-
quoted claims that abortion has been a significant factor in lowering
the U.S. crime rate. The book by John R. Lott of the American
Enterprise Institute, "Freedomnomics," answers claims by liberal
economist Steven Levitt that abortion, in reducing the number of
"unwanted" children, has eliminated significant numbers of the kind of
people who commit crimes.
Lott's 2001 study, "Abortion and Crime: Unwanted Children and Out-of-
Wedlock Births" concluded that legalized abortion has in fact
increased the overall violent crime rate.
For a good time google Lott sockpuppet.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
12 Aug 2007 11:25:09 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:29:39 -0700, Eris <vithant@gmail.com> wrote:
For a good time google Lott sockpuppet.
Good catch. But what else did you expect of STrumpet?
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
11 Aug 2007 05:28:40 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:16:18 -0700, Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1879410/posts
New Book, "Freedomnomics" says Abortion Increases Crime Rate
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/10/07 | Hilary White
Posted on 08/10/2007 12:37:58 PM PDT by wagglebee
WASHINGTON, August 10, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A book published in
June by a leading US economist in part responds to previous and oft-
quoted claims that abortion has been a significant factor in lowering
the U.S. crime rate. The book by John R. Lott of the American
Enterprise Institute, "Freedomnomics," answers claims by liberal
economist Steven Levitt that abortion, in reducing the number of
"unwanted" children, has eliminated significant numbers of the kind of
people who commit crimes.
Lott's 2001 study, "Abortion and Crime: Unwanted Children and Out-of-
Wedlock Births" concluded that legalized abortion has in fact
increased the overall violent crime rate.
"We find evidence that legalizing abortion increased murder rates by
around about 0.5 to 7 percent...
0.5% to 7%? Is that statistically significant? Exactly how did
legalizing abortion increase the murder rate?
Others note that the legalizing of
abortion might contribute to a coarsening of society that might itself
lead to more crime."
Oh, Please! Perhaps legalizing abortion empowers women to make their own
decisions about their bodies, and contributes to a softening of society?
--
MarkA
(insert clever sig line here)
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Increases Crime Rate |
12 Aug 2007 09:39:01 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
The book by John R. Lott of the American
Enterprise Institute, "Freedomnomics," answers claims by liberal
economist Steven Levitt that abortion, in reducing the number of
"unwanted" children, has eliminated significant numbers of the kind of
people who commit crimes.
That title just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it? So the AEI thinks abortion
is to blame for all the world's problems. Big surprise.
"We find evidence that legalizing abortion increased murder rates by
around about 0.5 to 7 percent... Others note that the legalizing of
abortion might contribute to a coarsening of society that might itself
lead to more crime."
So how does he account for the lower murder and overall crime rates some 20
years after Roe v. Wade? How does he pull that conclusion from data that
shows an inverse correlation?
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