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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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06 Mar 2006 11:22:14 PM |
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Abortion Is Creating A Nation Of Murderers |
http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/archives/2005/11/the_workforce_w.php
The Workforce We Are Creating
What kind of workforce will we create if we force people to do things
that are ethically wrong?
There are those who say that abortion is a matter of opinion & that we
should just agree to disagree. To those of us who believe abortion is
murder this is completely unacceptable and is why we still fight to
overturn Roe vs Wade almost 33 years later. Abortion is the biggest
moral failing in the history of the world and it continues at a rate of
4,000 a day.
On Nov. 4th I wrote:
Abortion is worse than racism and the Holocaust, but many don't want to
elevate it to that status. Many want to keep it as an "opinion" issue
so that people can say "let's just agree to disagree". Abortion is
worse than racism and the Holocaust because abortion kills 4,000 people
every day and corrupts or damages the minds of the 12,000 people who
have them / participate in them. The mother has the abortion, the
father does nothing about it and the "doctor" performs the act. Most
likely the doctor is supported by 1 or 2 nurses, so that would mean at
least 12,000 people every single day in this country are directly
taking part in the murder of an innocent, helpless human being.
Every single day 12,000+ people are complicit in a criminal act. We are
creating a nation of criminals of the worst kind. Criminals who are not
stealing, committing adultery or raping. The criminals we are creating
are taught and then participate in the murder of the most innocent in
life, unborn children.
In America we are being taught it is morally acceptable to kill
children out of convenience, income, population control and to prevent
people with disabilities from being born. We are being taught that
taking care of the elderly is too expensive and we should just pull the
plug when people aren't capable of caring for themselves anymore. This
teaching will shape our nation in ways we can't yet imagine. By
teaching our children that murder is good we are beginning to redifine
entirely the moral fabric of mankind.
People will challenge my definition of them of them as murderers. Is a
person who watches someone commit a murder complicit to the crime? You
know the answer to that question. If you kill someone intentionally are
you a murderer?
Here is what someone in the medical profession had to say:
Note that prior to Roe vs. Wade all one had to do was go to the mental
health dept.; state any number of acceptable mental stresses; get a
referral from them; go to an ob-gyn & could get a legal therapeutic
abortion. Every teen knew of people to talk to that knew of reputable
doctors who performed abortions so you know the police knew who these
doctors were also.
In other words safe abortions were obtainable before Roe vs. Wade.
Abortions were just not as acceptable in society as the guy owning up
to his responsibilities or the girl "going off" to have the child and
give it up for adoption. Those options were the "right" thing to do.
Having worked for Dept. of Soc. Svcs.there are workers who can not
voice objections or offer any other alternatives in fear of losing
their jobs.
I knew one social worker that had lost all 3 of her kids in a car
accident and could not have any other kids. Imagine the emotional
stress this caused her having to fill out the papers authorizing an
abortion.
I knew a social worker who could not have kids & had spent so much
money going to fertility doctors. Another social worker had gotten
rejection after rejection in trying to find a baby to adopt.
I personally filled out papers authorizing an abortion for a 15 year
old girl who acted as if she was asking for birth control pills.
Imagine my guilt especially when I found it was her "fourth" abortion
that year. I never did that again.
The government may make laws to "legalize abortion" but the blood is
part and parcel on all our hands as tax payers pay for them.There is a
"gag" order that has become an unwritten law along with the
legalization. If a client called in feeling guilty you could express no
thoughts at all..just refer them to mental health. Even the
psychologist at mental health had a set number of things that could be
said even if they objected to abortion themselves.
You have to ask yourself if pro-choice people even consider the
"horror" stories that pro-lifers can tell. They are so blind and
certainly deaf.
Worldmagblog.com comment
A friend of mine told me about a discussion he had with someone a few
days ago. He asked the young man how he could support abortion. How
could the man support the taking of an innocent life? The man didn't
say anything about the taking of the life, you know, something like
"it's a fetus not a human", instead he said "because it's legal".
Do you see what abortion has come down to? Most people, even the
strongest pro-aborts I know say it is legal and a "woman's right to
choose", as if "choice" is the answer to why abortion should be legal
in the first place.
Should a doctor or nurse be forced to perform abortions because it is
the law? Many around the country know this law was not meant by the
founding fathers.
Doctors are forced to learn how to perform abortions. Nurses are forced
to learn how to assist abortions. If you don't want to participate,
tough luck, do it or lose your job.
What about those in the medical profession who don't want to
participate in abortions?
An article at euthanasia.com shows how it is becoming more difficult to
recruit people who want to perform abortions.
Full Article Here
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In fact, hospitals everywhere have discovered that recruiting personnel
willing to provide abortion services is very difficult. Last year, over
65% of registered nurses in the United States polled by RN magazine
said they would refuse to work in an obstetrics unit where abortions
were performed. This reverses figures from 10 years ago, when most
nurses would help perform abortions, said RN editor Suzanne Wolfe in an
interview with Reuters Health.
Forcing nurses to participate in abortions fits into the pro- abortion
agenda, says Joanne Hatton, Alberta Pro-Life president. "This is yet
another attempt to pretend that abortion is legitimate medicine."
Nevertheless, Ms. Hatton is convinced the public is beginning to sense
how resistant nurses are becoming at being forced to assist with
procedures they find morally repugnant.
"It's schizophrenic-nurses on the same ward celebrating life and at the
same time having to kill life," says a 62-year-old retired nurse who
asked that her name be withheld. Selective abortion is really another
name for eugenics, she says. "They are trying to make a perfect world
by getting rid of babies who are not perfect. It reeks of Naziism. It's
horrifying that anyone would kill a life because of an imperfection. If
these babies are going to die it should be a natural death. Leave it up
to God. Right now the hospitals are killing disabled children."
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In America, the Hyde-Welmon Conscience Protection Amendment is supposed
to protect health care individuals from having to perform abortions if
they are morally opposed to it. Though it was signed into law by
President Bush it must be renewed annually as Jill Stanek says here:
But be warned that the Hyde-Weldon Amendment must be approved annually,
and the abortion industry is already fighting it. Pro-abortion
California Attorney General Bill Lockyer announced the day the bill
became law that he would sue to block it.
Article
The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists tried to
counteract the Hyde/Weldon amendment and sent a letter to every senator
which said:
"Doctors who morally object to abortion should be required to refer
patients to other physicians who will provide appropriate care,"
Why should doctors who oppose abortion and possibly consider it murder
have to refer a patient who wants an abortion to someone whom he
believes is committing a morally reprehensible act?
Judie Brown, President of the American Life League challenges the
American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology and their opposition to
something that protects doctors and nurses from having to do things
they consider morally wrong:
While it does not come as any surprise to me that the American College
of Obstetrics and Gynecology has just announced their opposition to
their fellow ob/gyns who voice the choice NOT to abort a child, it
should cause all women pause to question such dictatorial maneuvers.
Since when can the political leadership of ACOG instruct doctors on
what they can and cannot do in the practice of medicine?
9/16/05 Blog
The Hyde-Weldon Amendment was challenged recently by Republican Arlen
Spectre.
Sen. Boxer signaled that she intends to work with Sen. Tom Harkin
(D-IA) to weaken or overturn the Hyde/Weldon Conscience Protection
Amendment during committee action on the Labor/HHS appropriations bill
this fall. Subsequently, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), chairman of the
Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human Services,
reported out the Fiscal Year 2006 Labor/Health and Human Services
Appropriations Bill (H.R. 3010) with language that guts the Hyde/Weldon
Conscience Protection Law. On July 14, H.R. 3010 was placed on the
Senate calendar.
Article
The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops states
However the Chairman's mark of the Labor/HHS appropriations bill for FY
2006 offered by Senator Specter, and now approved by both subcommittee
and full Senate Appropriations Committee, guts the Hyde/Weldon
amendment. This version not only takes away protections found in
current law under the Hyde/Weldon amendment - it even marks a step
backward from protections which were overwhelmingly approved by the
Senate in 1996 and have been part of the U.S. Code ever since (42
USC-238n). This gutted language must not become law.
Article
More by LifeNews:
The Specter language would withhold federal dollars from discriminating
agencies only if they require health care personnel to train in or
perform abortions, but not if they are forced to refer patients to
other facilities for abortions.
Specter included the changed wording in the Senate bill on behalf of
NARAL and other abortion advocacy groups. The say it "clarifies" the
Hyde-Weldon provision, but pro-life groups say it simply weakens the
protections that provision offers.
A representative of the U.S. Conference of Catholic bishops say the
Specter language would "effectively gut" the protections in the
Hyde-Weldon language, which President Bush signed into law last year.
Abortion has been legal for so many years almost everyone in America
has been negatively influenced by it. Never in the 27 years that I've
been discussing this topic has any man or woman been able to say that
abortion is a good thing without anger or sadness.
What kind of workforce will we create as a nation of euthanasia and
abortion? Don't tell me euthanasia is not legal in America yet. Terri
Schiavo proved that one wrong and I'm sure there are many more like her
being killed every day since death by dehydration and starvation has
been made legal.
What about those who agree that abortion and euthanasia are good for
America? Would you want to be treated by them? Would you want your wife
to go to one of them for prenatal care?
Why do you have a prenatal genetic test? What are they looking for and
what will they do when then find something? If they find you might have
a child with Down syndrome they will recommend abortion. Will you go
along with that recommendation because you want to have a genetically
perfect child?
I would rather be treated by someone who believes in doing everything
possible to save my life then someone who believes my dignity would be
better served if I were killed. I would rather my wife be examined by a
doctor who believes that all life is precious than one who would
recommend we kill our child because he/she might not be "perfect".
We are not animals. We are human beings. We not only have intelligence,
we have a conscience. There are many doctors who say we should set
aside our consience when it comes to life issues. I don't want them
anywhere near me or my family, and I want our government to not only
respect Life, I want them to demand the same from medical
practitioners.
America should not be forcing people to perform abortions, we should be
forcing people to save lives.
Join us in the Monthly March for Life at MarchTogether.com. Do
something to help end abortion. Don't just talk about how bad it is.
Even if you are already involved in a Pro-Life movement unite with us
once a month on the first Friday for 15 minutes to help send a signal
to our representatives that we want abortion to end.
MarchTogether.com
United we stand - Divided they die - Pass it on
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| User: "HotelCharlieOne" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Is Creating A Nation Of Murderers |
07 Mar 2006 10:15:07 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@lycos.com> wrote in
news:1141708934.238595.321540@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
What kind of workforce will we create if we force people to do things
that are ethically wrong?
The military?
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The actions of the disgraceful Clinton and Bush administrations
make it possible for me to say without shame that I deeply regret
the day I put the uniform of my country. The freedoms that I was
willing to protect with my life are gone. The America of our founders
is dead. All we are waiting for now is rigor mortis.
HotelCharlieOne
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Is Creating A Nation Of Murderers |
07 Mar 2006 03:06:24 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:15:07 GMT, HotelCharlieOne
<Hotel_Charliie_One@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@lycos.com> wrote in
news:1141708934.238595.321540@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
What kind of workforce will we create if we force people to do things
that are ethically wrong?
The military?
I was thinking "The Republican Party" myself.
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "DaveJr" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Is Creating A Nation Of Murderers |
07 Mar 2006 12:42:46 AM |
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There are those who say that abortion is a matter of opinion & that
we
should just agree to disagree. To those of us who believe abortion
is
murder this is completely unacceptable and is why we still fight to
overturn Roe vs Wade almost 33 years later. Abortion is the biggest
moral failing in the history of the world and it continues at a rate
of
4,000 a day.
How many murders happened when your god supposedly
flooded the planet?
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Is Creating A Nation Of Murderers |
07 Mar 2006 12:55:17 AM |
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And religion is creating a nation of morons. Your point, other than
the one under your hat, would be...?
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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06 Mar 2006 11:31:37 PM |
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It is a bigger crime to bring a child into the world that is not wanted or
loved than terminating it before it is born.
--
Andrew W.
“Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of
any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of
existence.”
~ Robert Anton Wilson
"The Bible tells us to be like God, and then on page after page it describes
God as a mass murderer. This may be the single most important key to the
political behaviour of Western Civilization.”
~ Robert Anton Wilson
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| Title: Re: Abortion Is Creating A Nation Of Murderers |
01 Apr 2006 05:14:48 AM |
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On 6 Mar 2006 21:22:14 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@lycos.com> wrote:
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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06 Mar 2006 11:43:19 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Sound of Trumpet
(soundoftrumpet@lycos.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
There are those who say that abortion is a matter of opinion & that we
should just agree to disagree. To those of us who believe abortion is
murder this is completely unacceptable and is why we still fight to
overturn Roe vs Wade almost 33 years later. Abortion is the biggest
moral failing in the history of the world and it continues at a rate of
4,000 a day.
If you don't like abortion, don't have one. It's that simple.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Atheists get to live their lives in accordance with their own desires. I
call that a win, compared to the collossal waste of time being an active
Christian. Atheist: win. Christian: lose. "No win" never comes into
play, because there are no gods.
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| User: "meghannsilverwolf" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Is Creating A Nation Of Murderers |
07 Mar 2006 09:15:56 PM |
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sums it up right there! I have to agree.
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meghannsilverwolf
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns977EDCCB0483Avicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Sound of Trumpet
(soundoftrumpet@lycos.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
There are those who say that abortion is a matter of opinion & that we
should just agree to disagree. To those of us who believe abortion is
murder this is completely unacceptable and is why we still fight to
overturn Roe vs Wade almost 33 years later. Abortion is the biggest
moral failing in the history of the world and it continues at a rate of
4,000 a day.
If you don't like abortion, don't have one. It's that simple.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Atheists get to live their lives in accordance with their own desires. I
call that a win, compared to the collossal waste of time being an active
Christian. Atheist: win. Christian: lose. "No win" never comes into
play, because there are no gods.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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08 Mar 2006 04:08:07 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 03:15:56 GMT, "meghannsilverwolf"
<meghansilverwolf@yahoo.com> wrote:
sums it up right there! I have to agree.
As do I.
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