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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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10 Jul 2007 08:41:45 AM |
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Abortion: The Work Of Lenin That Is Alive |
http://www.pravmir.com/article_191.html
Getting rid of the hunger problem by decreasing the number of the
people who eat.
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
The Communists had brought a lot of terrible things into human
civilization: a new model of economics, new literature, new morals and
new logic. In line with this logic, they made a new discovery: "One
can get rid of the hunger problem by decreasing the number of people
who eat!
Lenin's government spread this terrible invention; at first
through the Bolsheviks, then by Margaret Sanger, and then by the birth
control movements that followed.
The famous Russian writer, Ivan Bunin wrote: "The hellish secret
of the Bolsheviks is to kill the sensitive... you can imagine seven
murdered, but not seven hundred." After the usurpation of the power in
Russia, Bolsheviks used to kill thousands and thousands of innocent
people. You could not imagine the number of people killed and the
hundreds of millions of children killed by the communists and their
abortionist followers in many countries.
The history of abortions in Russia:
On November 18, 1920 abortions were legalized by the Communist
government. At the same time, Christians were massacred all over the
country. There were so many victims among Christians that they think
the number of martyrs was greater than in the first centuries.
We understand that at that time the Church was not able to stand
up against abortions. In 1943 when wide persecution of the faith had
stopped, there were very few bishops and priests who were not in
prisons or prison camps. However, at that moment, the government
prohibited abortions for a short time. After the death of Stalin, the
communists had legalized abortions again (Khrushchev). During
Khrushchev's reign in the 1950s, persecution of the Churches proceeded
with a renewed tempo. Thousands of Churches were closed and the
priests could not preach against abortions. After Khrushchev's era was
over, the same situation remained and the majority of the parishes
consisted mainly of old women.
At last, in the1990s we have obtained the opportunity to openly
oppose the killing of the unborn children. We have realized that
during the last 70 years we have lost precious time. The consciousness
of the nation had changed dramatically as a result of those seventy
years when abortion was actively encouraged. Thus, the most dreadful
result of the last decades was that an abortion became a normal and
ordinary thing to do.
Everybody has a conscience. Many people hesitate before an
abortion no matter what their religion or point of view on that
subject might be. However, when an abortion becomes an ordinary event
in society, it is easier to overcome the internal resistance of the
conscience. People start to behave "as everyone else". The number of
abortions has increased and is a sign of spiritual regression in
Russia. Abortions are now a common event and are performed in
hospitals. The physicians in Russia do not have a right to refuse to
do an abortion. The same medical staff that kills the unborn babies
helps other women to deliver their babies. Gynecologists who believe
in God leave their work and our gynecology, step by step, becomes an
atheistic vocation.
The so-called "fetal therapy" is in use in Russia. This is a sort
of cannibalism, when the parts of the body of an unborn child may be
used for medical purposes. Officially an abortion is legal before 12
weeks but according to a social indication it can be done before 22
weeks. They say that it was done to get more materials for a monstrous
fetal therapy. It costs a lot of money and the citizens of the
countries where fetal therapy is illegal come to us for that.
There are a lot of abortions performed in Russia. Every year 2.5
million babies are killed, but it's only according to the official
statistics, which are not accurate. There are 100,000 in Moscow alone.
This means that two of every three children are killed by means of an
abortion. But the number of abortions is now very slowly decreasing. I
am sure that this has to do with the activity of the Russian Orthodox
Church. In spite of that, Russia is still one of the most abortionist
countries. It happens not because we are cruel but because when a
young lady goes for an abortion, she understands that her mother,
grandmother and great-grandmother did the same. They look at the
abortion procedure as if it were a tooth extraction. Sometimes you
meet a woman who has had 5 to 10 abortions. Only 5% of babies in
Russia are born healthy because a woman cannot give birth to a healthy
child after an abortion. 25% of the couples are not fertile. Some of
the experts think that the destruction of the USSR happened because
Russians had become a national minority there.
Now we have the possibility to oppose abortion. The Pro-life
movement started in the beginning of the 1990s and is about 7 years
old. Our organization has existed for 6 years. There are pro-life
groups in about 50 regions in Russia and some in Ukraine and Belarus.
Most of them are located in the large cities, in the parishes of the
Russian Orthodox Church. The main form of work is distributing
information of any kind. Our group publishes a newsletter six times a
year and distributes information through all possible ways. Such a
form of consulting the women who are going to do an abortion is in
wide use. Usually, we distribute leaflets and brochures that help
gynecologists speak to pregnant women, give lectures to teenagers
about abortions and the dangers of premarital sex.
Working in defense of life, we face some difficulties. The main
one was mentioned above: an abortion became a normal thing in Russia.
This is a great barrier in our work. The next trouble for us is lack
of sympathy from physicians, who look negatively at the anti-abortion
activity. However, the most danger is from the Russian Planned
Parenthood association.
We are anxious about activity of Planned Parenthood in Russia. Our
country is in a great demographic crisis and we look at this
organization as on of the most destructive organizations in Russia. It
diminishes our population by basically deterring people from wanting
to have a good healthy family with children. We lost 20 million
victims during World War II and our demographic crisis began back then
and is connected to our losses in that war. It means that
International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF) continues the work
unfinished by the Nazis. This fact increases anti-American and anti-
Western views here.
Some call what is happening a sexual revolution. That is a good
comparison because there is a connection between sexual and communist
revolutions....
During the French Revolution abortions were legalized.
It is well known that revolutionaries who suffused Russia with
blood upheld a very liberal view on sexuality. They even refused to
recognize marriage as part of human nature.
According to an original communist's teaching, marriage should
disappear in the future. If you compare the teachings of sexual and
communist revolutionaries, you will find many similarities.
Like the communists, they are possessed with the idea of a global
change of the world and the whole society, including destroying the
moral, traditional and religious values.
Some Soviet high-level officials now actively support the Planned
Parenthood Federation in Russia. They are: the president of the
Russian Planned Parenthood Association V.I. Kulakov, the leader of the
Russian feminist movement E.F. Lakhova, Vaganov, Kulakov V.I., Igor
Kon and the others.
An anchor of the famous sexological antichristian newscast in
Moscow is Helen Khanga, a granddaughter of the Black American
communist who came to the Soviet Union from USA to build communism.
Wilhelm Reich (1897-1957), a crazy Marxist and preacher of the
sexual revolution, supposed that traditional sexual morality needs to
be reconsidered and a family should be out of the picture because it
is the source of neurosis and oppression of sexuality.
Proof. Igor Kon is an active member of the movement for
homosexual rights. He is now the "scientific" director of sex
education programs, but made his scientific career in Marxist
philosophy.
If you look back to history, you will find that the production of
condoms began with an order from the director of Soviet Secret police
in 1939, which was also Stalin's killing machine.
The old links of those communists helped Planned Parenthood
penetrate into the state health organization and to submit them to the
goals of Planned Parenthood. It happens often that state bureaucrats
are also members of Planned Parenthood and worked in state hospitals
and health organizations in the past. Today Russian Planned Parenthood
has 52 branches all over the country.
In the beginning of their existence they quickly lobbied to
receive the state's money and for taxpayers to feed them. Last year
corporate work of pro-life organizations forced our Parliament to
refuse to give money to Planned Parenthood. It means that the pro-life
movement has become influential in our country.
In spite of some success we are under pressure from PP and the
feminists. The leader of the Russian feminists knows the President and
feminists are influential in our country in general. They distribute
absurd rumors about the pro-life movement: that we kill physicians,
that we receive money from abroad and stop women from having abortions
for the sake of selling their children. Some of them even say that our
propaganda stimulates women to commit suicide.
Yet the number of pro-lifers is slowly growing, in spite of the
fact that it is impossible to ban abortions now. We want to remove
social indications and to stop government policy on "family
planning".
Priest Maxim Oboukhov
Director of educational center "Zhizn" (Life)
Russia, Moscow
March 1999
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| User: "The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." |
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10 Jul 2007 01:19:05 PM |
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On Jul 10, 2:41 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.pravmir.com/article_191.html
Getting rid of the hunger problem by decreasing the number of the
people who eat.
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
Who outlawed abortion first? Hitler or Stalin. It isn't a trick
question, they both did.
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| User: "Dan Clore" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion: The Work Of Lenin That Is Alive |
10 Jul 2007 01:46:49 PM |
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The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:41 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
Who outlawed abortion first? Hitler or Stalin. It isn't a trick
question, they both did.
It's no coincidence that authoritarians like Hitler, Stalin, and
STrumpet want to ban abortion. See:
http://tinyurl.com/2re5oz
--
Dan Clore
My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:
http://amazon.com/o/ASIN/1587154838/ref=nosim/thedanclorenecro
Lord We˙rdgliffe & Necronomicon Page:
http://www.geocities.com/clorebeast/
News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
Strange pleasures are known to him who flaunts the
immarcescible purple of poetry before the color-blind.
-- Clark Ashton Smith, "Epigrams and Apothegms"
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| User: "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" |
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10 Jul 2007 06:27:16 PM |
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Dan Clore wrote:
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:41 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
Who outlawed abortion first? Hitler or Stalin. It isn't a trick
question, they both did.
It's no coincidence that authoritarians like Hitler, Stalin, and
STrumpet want to ban abortion. See:
http://tinyurl.com/2re5oz
Is China authoritarian?
What is their stance on abortion ?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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10 Jul 2007 10:30:26 PM |
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Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj <urjlew@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Dan Clore wrote:
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:41 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
Who outlawed abortion first? Hitler or Stalin. It isn't a trick
question, they both did.
It's no coincidence that authoritarians like Hitler, Stalin, and
STrumpet want to ban abortion. See:
http://tinyurl.com/2re5oz
Is China authoritarian?
Yes.
What is their stance on abortion ?
Anti-choice, just like other authoritarian governments.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "xolodilnik" |
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11 Jul 2007 01:35:43 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:46944ed2$0$14108$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj <urjlew@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Dan Clore wrote:
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:41 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
Who outlawed abortion first? Hitler or Stalin. It isn't a trick
question, they both did.
It's no coincidence that authoritarians like Hitler, Stalin, and
STrumpet want to ban abortion. See:
http://tinyurl.com/2re5oz
Is China authoritarian?
Yes.
What is their stance on abortion ?
Anti-choice, just like other authoritarian governments.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
When you brush your teeth with Chinese tooth paste, check to see if soylent
green is one of the ingredients.
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| User: "Dan Clore" |
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10 Jul 2007 09:05:48 PM |
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Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj wrote:
Dan Clore wrote:
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:41 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
Who outlawed abortion first? Hitler or Stalin. It isn't a trick
question, they both did.
It's no coincidence that authoritarians like Hitler, Stalin, and
STrumpet want to ban abortion. See:
http://tinyurl.com/2re5oz
Is China authoritarian?
What is their stance on abortion ?
Good counterexample, but their overpopulation explains it.
--
Dan Clore
My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:
http://amazon.com/o/ASIN/1587154838/ref=nosim/thedanclorenecro
Lord We˙rdgliffe & Necronomicon Page:
http://www.geocities.com/clorebeast/
News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
Strange pleasures are known to him who flaunts the
immarcescible purple of poetry before the color-blind.
-- Clark Ashton Smith, "Epigrams and Apothegms"
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| User: "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" |
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10 Jul 2007 06:25:12 PM |
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The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:41 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.pravmir.com/article_191.html
Getting rid of the hunger problem by decreasing the number of the
people who eat.
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
Who outlawed abortion first? Hitler or Stalin. It isn't a trick
question, they both did.
I believe the discussion is about who allowed and encouraged abortion
rather than who outlawed it. And which culture practiced it as a convenience!
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| User: "brique" |
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10 Jul 2007 06:38:11 PM |
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Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj <urjlew@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:exUki.33354$19.6295@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:41 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.pravmir.com/article_191.html
Getting rid of the hunger problem by decreasing the number of the
people who eat.
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
Who outlawed abortion first? Hitler or Stalin. It isn't a trick
question, they both did.
I believe the discussion is about who allowed and encouraged abortion
rather than who outlawed it. And which culture practiced it as a
convenience!
But the claim is that communism 'invented' abortion... which would be news
to countless cultures going back before the Roman Empire. Many cultures have
practiced and encouraged abortion.
This claim gets even more comical when it is a communist, probably the
arch-communist bogeyman, who bans it.
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10 Jul 2007 11:41:38 PM |
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On Jul 10, 4:38 pm, "brique" <briquen...@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj <urj...@bellsouth.net> wrote in messagenews:exUki.33354$19.6295@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:41 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.pravmir.com/article_191.html
Getting rid of the hunger problem by decreasing the number of the
people who eat.
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
Who outlawed abortion first? Hitler or Stalin. It isn't a trick
question, they both did.
I believe the discussion is about who allowed and encouraged abortion
rather than who outlawed it. And which culture practiced it as a
convenience!
But the claim is that communism 'invented' abortion... which would be news
to countless cultures going back before the Roman Empire
They were all godless Comminusts. Didn't you know that Lenin was one
of the Roman Emperors?
Many cultures have
practiced and encouraged abortion.
This claim gets even more comical when it is a communist, probably the
arch-communist bogeyman, who bans it.- Hide quoted text -
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| User: "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" |
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11 Jul 2007 11:17:11 AM |
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On Jul 10, 4:38 pm, "brique" <briquen...@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj <urj...@bellsouth.net> wrote in messagenews:exUki.33354$19.6295@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:41 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.pravmir.com/article_191.html
Getting rid of the hunger problem by decreasing the number of the
people who eat.
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
Who outlawed abortion first? Hitler or Stalin. It isn't a trick
question, they both did.
I believe the discussion is about who allowed and encouraged abortion
rather than who outlawed it. And which culture practiced it as a
convenience!
But the claim is that communism 'invented' abortion... which would be news
to countless cultures going back before the Roman Empire
They were all godless Comminusts. Didn't you know that Lenin was one
of the Roman Emperors?
Is that a part of the Soviet Russia mythology?
I do remember that the pre soviet Russian Csarist empire claimed
to be 'The third Rome'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Rome
http://www.orthodoxengland.org.uk/moscowtr.htm
http://www.ukrweekly.com/Archive/2001/310123.shtml
Many cultures have practiced and encouraged abortion.
This claim gets even more comical when it is a communist, probably the
arch-communist bogeyman, who bans it.
Temporarily! And now the Russian state probably would like to discourage
abortion again, but for political reasons having nothing to do with
morality.
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| User: "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" |
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10 Jul 2007 09:14:34 PM |
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brique wrote:
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj <urjlew@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:exUki.33354$19.6295@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:41 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.pravmir.com/article_191.html
Getting rid of the hunger problem by decreasing the number of the
people who eat.
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
Who outlawed abortion first? Hitler or Stalin. It isn't a trick
question, they both did.
I believe the discussion is about who allowed and encouraged abortion
rather than who outlawed it. And which culture practiced it as a
convenience!
But the claim is that communism 'invented' abortion... which would be news
to countless cultures going back before the Roman Empire. Many cultures have
practiced and encouraged abortion.
So in that claim Oboukhov is wrong. The Russians were not the first to legalize
and encourage abortion for whatever their aims.
This claim gets even more comical when it is a communist, probably the
arch-communist bogeyman, who bans it.
Temporarily! And now the Russian state probably would like to discourage
abortion again, but for political reasons having nothing to do with morality.
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| User: "brique" |
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10 Jul 2007 11:20:16 PM |
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Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj <urjlew@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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brique wrote:
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj <urjlew@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:exUki.33354$19.6295@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:41 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.pravmir.com/article_191.html
Getting rid of the hunger problem by decreasing the number of the
people who eat.
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
Who outlawed abortion first? Hitler or Stalin. It isn't a trick
question, they both did.
I believe the discussion is about who allowed and encouraged abortion
rather than who outlawed it. And which culture practiced it as a
convenience!
But the claim is that communism 'invented' abortion... which would be
news
to countless cultures going back before the Roman Empire. Many cultures
have
practiced and encouraged abortion.
So in that claim Oboukhov is wrong. The Russians were not the first to
legalize
and encourage abortion for whatever their aims.
This claim gets even more comical when it is a communist, probably the
arch-communist bogeyman, who bans it.
Temporarily! And now the Russian state probably would like to discourage
abortion again, but for political reasons having nothing to do with
morality.
Why would you care what the purported reason is for banning the practice?
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11 Jul 2007 10:57:29 AM |
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brique wrote:
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj <urjlew@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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brique wrote:
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj <urjlew@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:41 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.pravmir.com/article_191.html
Getting rid of the hunger problem by decreasing the number of the
people who eat.
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
Who outlawed abortion first? Hitler or Stalin. It isn't a trick
question, they both did.
I believe the discussion is about who allowed and encouraged abortion
rather than who outlawed it. And which culture practiced it as a
convenience!
But the claim is that communism 'invented' abortion... which would be
news to countless cultures going back before the Roman Empire.
Many cultures have practiced and encouraged abortion.
So in that claim Oboukhov is wrong. The Russians were not the first to
legalize and encourage abortion for whatever their aims.
This claim gets even more comical when it is a communist, probably the
arch-communist bogeyman, who bans it.
Temporarily! And now the Russian state probably would like to discourage
abortion again, but for political reasons having nothing to do with
morality.
Why would you care what the purported reason is for banning the practice?
True. But I am trying to provide broader understanding of the situation.
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Rostyk
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10 Jul 2007 10:28:25 AM |
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On Jul 10, 8:41 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.pravmir.com/article_191.html
Getting rid of the hunger problem by decreasing the number of the
people who eat.
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
The Communists had brought a lot of terrible things into human
civilization: a new model of economics, new literature, new morals and
new logic. In line with this logic, they made a new discovery: "One
can get rid of the hunger problem by decreasing the number of people
who eat!
That's right. Prior to the Soviets, no one in history realized this.
-jc
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| User: "JohnN" |
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10 Jul 2007 02:19:05 PM |
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On Jul 10, 9:41 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.pravmir.com/article_191.html
Getting rid of the hunger problem by decreasing the number of the
people who eat.
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
KJV, Numbers 31, Verse 17: " Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with
him." Pregnant women must have known a man or two, did god command
Moses to kill the fetuses? Isn't that abortion?
JohnN
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| User: "brique" |
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10 Jul 2007 06:40:35 PM |
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JohnN <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184095145.271403.154900@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 10, 9:41 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.pravmir.com/article_191.html
Getting rid of the hunger problem by decreasing the number of the
people who eat.
By fr. Maxim Oboukhov
Apr 10, 2007, 19:44
The problem of abortions in Russia
An abortion as the invention of the Communists
When I speak about the abortion problem, I always remember an old
Soviet slogan which you could see in every Soviet city: "The work of
Lenin is alive". This work is really alive: the first Communist
country was the first country in the world that legalized the killing
of unborn children.
KJV, Numbers 31, Verse 17: " Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with
him." Pregnant women must have known a man or two, did god command
Moses to kill the fetuses? Isn't that abortion?
There does seem to be a desire to keep the virgin females, even the 'little
ones', alive, whatever for?
It is hard to find an 'innocent' reason for doing so, isn't it?
JohnN
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion: The Work Of Lenin That Is Alive |
10 Jul 2007 10:29:13 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.pravmir.com/article_191.html
Getting rid of the hunger problem by decreasing the number of the
people who eat.
And just think: Bush has gotten rid of a good half million or so
already.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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