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"Mark K. Bilbo" |
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21 Feb 2005 11:29:09 PM |
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About the a.a. number list and Gastrich's games |
Okay, now that he's posted our list on his website *without *permission, I
thought I'd explain a bit about what went on over here.
(If you haven't seen it, it's over this way:
http://jcsm.org/1on1/AltAtheismAtheistAgnosticList.htm)
You may have seen him griping about being filtered. Well, he was. When he
asked about the list, I slapped a filter on his IPA, blocking him from
access to my server. A server which is actually in my house and, frankly,
I didn't want him here.
I have in my logs multiple, sequential access to the "number list" via
proxify.com which is an anonymous proxy that can be used to browse web
sites without revealing your IP address. In that there were no other such
accesses of "walking through" the number list other than via that
anonymous proxy, I can only assume that's how Gastrich evaded my filter
and took the list off my site.
Nobody rushed to give him directions to get to the list and the owner of
the site blocked him. You'd *think he'd get the message. Well, apparently
he didn't.
For a man who sued someone over alleged copyright violations, he was
strikingly determined to get and use that list not just without permission
but in evasion of a filter on his IPA.
Oh and about 1800. 1800 really wasn't in the database. It was apparently
never entered. When he started going on about it, I checked, saw it
missing, and put it in. So it wasn't a cut 'n' paste error on his part. It
really was missing. I would have *told him that (hinted at it in a couple
of posts) but he's bound and determined not to talk or listen to me. So he
never asked directly.
Shrug.
Funny part about that is there are, far as I know, four other "gaps" in
the list he never noticed. They are actual delistings unlike 1800. Four
people who asked to be removed (the requests are still in the database).
None indicated they'd "converted." Two gave no reason at all. One said he
considered himself an agnostic rather than an atheist (which isn't really
a "disqualification" but if somebody wants off the list, they'll be taken
off). One said he wasn't sure what he thought but didn't feel "atheist"
fit him anymore.
No "I got saved!" in any of the four.
Well, you know, it just speaks *volumes to me that the man didn't seem to
think we atheists could refuse him anything he wanted. It's
interesting that he was aware of (and even asked about) the filter
apparently *after he'd evaded it. He was awful quick to find a way to get
somewhere he'd been denied access. I guess we atheists don't get to say
"no" about anything. Not even when it involves private property and the
door is locked.
He sued someone over copyright but then pulls this stunt. Interesting
"morals" these Christians are trying to sell us...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| Title: Re: About the a.a. number list and Gastrich's games |
25 Feb 2005 12:08:34 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:27:01 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:31:24 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode
<UgaTd.9789$x53.7619@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Jimmy B. lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Okay, now that he's posted our list on his website *without *permission,
I thought I'd explain a bit about what went on over here.
<snip>
Hey Mark, how does one go about getting one of those numbers?
I see Michelle's already answered. She's the keeper of the list and issues
the numbers...
/me caterwauls
"Mickey, don't you lose that number..."
(apologies to Genesis)
I see several responses as to whether you meant Genesis or Steely Dan.
The answer, It depends. (Which were you thinking?)
Phil Collins(solo) from Genesis did a song called "Don't Lose my
Number" with the line "Billy, billy don’t you lose my number"
But earlier, Steely Dan did "Rikki Don’t Lose that Number" with that
line.
So, Phil might have gastriched the line from Steely Dan, but the songs
are different. Phil's was faster and more "eighties"
Either way, apologies are not enough for that display!
--
zamboni #2139
BAAWA Assistant to the Vice-Administrator of Malevolence
EAC Tertiary Adjunct to the Dispenser of Obfuscation.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: About the a.a. number list and Gastrich's games |
26 Feb 2005 06:01:10 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:08:34 -0600,
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:27:01 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:31:24 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode
<UgaTd.9789$x53.7619@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Jimmy B. lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Okay, now that he's posted our list on his website *without *permission,
I thought I'd explain a bit about what went on over here.
<snip>
Hey Mark, how does one go about getting one of those numbers?
I see Michelle's already answered. She's the keeper of the list and issues
the numbers...
/me caterwauls
"Mickey, don't you lose that number..."
(apologies to Genesis)
I see several responses as to whether you meant Genesis or Steely Dan.
The answer, It depends. (Which were you thinking?)
Phil Collins(solo) from Genesis did a song called "Don't Lose my
Number" with the line "Billy, billy don’t you lose my number"
Now I remember that one.
But earlier, Steely Dan did "Rikki Don’t Lose that Number" with that
line.
I was thinking of the 'Rikki' line.
So, Phil might have gastriched the line from Steely Dan, but the songs
are different. Phil's was faster and more "eighties"
Either way, apologies are not enough for that display!
Which display is that?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: About the a.a. number list and Gastrich's games |
25 Feb 2005 01:35:24 PM |
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zamboni wrote:
So, Phil might have gastriched the line from Steely Dan
<Laughin delightedly> Oh, that's poifeck! Do we have an alt.atheism
lexicon we can put that in? I take it to be a regular verb? "I
gastrich, you gastrich, he/she/it gastriches, they gastrich"?
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: About the a.a. number list and Gastrich's games |
26 Feb 2005 06:02:40 PM |
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On 25 Feb 2005 11:35:24 -0800, "skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net>
wrote:
zamboni wrote:
So, Phil might have gastriched the line from Steely Dan
<Laughin delightedly> Oh, that's poifeck!
Yes, it is.
Do we have an alt.atheism
lexicon we can put that in? I take it to be a regular verb? "I
gastrich, you gastrich, he/she/it gastriches, they gastrich"?
I think it'll end up going round the net. (delighted grin)
Gambelson can be used to describe a paedophelia supporter.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: About the a.a. number list and Gastrich's games |
24 Feb 2005 09:24:41 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:6mvs11hvrgnh34brv2h1d82ju0t24v0ar5@4ax.com:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:31:24 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode
<UgaTd.9789$x53.7619@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Jimmy B.
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Okay, now that he's posted our list on his website *without
*permission, I thought I'd explain a bit about what went on over
here.
<snip>
Hey Mark, how does one go about getting one of those numbers?
I see Michelle's already answered. She's the keeper of the list and
issues the numbers...
/me caterwauls
"Mickey, don't you lose that number..."
(apologies to Genesis)
Steely Dan!
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Enkidu AA#2165
Perhaps christians are enslaved by sin, but the rest of us tend to get
enslaved by christians.
-- Dave Fried
Now playing: Timeteam 06.02.05
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: About the a.a. number list and Gastrich's games |
25 Feb 2005 01:33:52 PM |
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On 25 Feb 2005 03:24:41 GMT, Enkidu <zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:6mvs11hvrgnh34brv2h1d82ju0t24v0ar5@4ax.com:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:31:24 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode
<UgaTd.9789$x53.7619@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Jimmy B.
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Okay, now that he's posted our list on his website *without
*permission, I thought I'd explain a bit about what went on over
here.
<snip>
Hey Mark, how does one go about getting one of those numbers?
I see Michelle's already answered. She's the keeper of the list and
issues the numbers...
/me caterwauls
"Mickey, don't you lose that number..."
(apologies to Genesis)
Steely Dan!
Whoops!
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: About the a.a. number list and Gastrich's games |
22 Feb 2005 12:47:24 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:29:09 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Okay, now that he's posted our list on his website *without *permission, I
thought I'd explain a bit about what went on over here.
From Verio's AUP:
Intellectual Property Violations -- ... Also, engaging
in activity that violates privacy, publicity, or other
personal rights of others. Verio is required by law to
remove or block access to customer content upon receipt
of a proper notice of copyright infringement. It is also
Verio's policy to terminate the privileges of customers
who commit repeat violations of copyright laws.
If the list qualifies as copyrighted, he's in violation of this
provision.
He sued someone over copyright but then pulls this stunt. Interesting
"morals" these Christians are trying to sell us...
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L. Raymond
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: About the a.a. number list and Gastrich's games |
22 Feb 2005 01:06:28 AM |
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In our last episode <1aw4x7iobe3bu.1umb1we6dr72e.dlg@40tude.net>, L.
Raymond lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:29:09 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Okay, now that he's posted our list on his website *without *permission,
I thought I'd explain a bit about what went on over here.
From Verio's AUP:
Intellectual Property Violations -- ... Also, engaging in activity that
violates privacy, publicity, or other personal rights of others. Verio is
required by law to remove or block access to customer content upon
receipt of a proper notice of copyright infringement. It is also Verio's
policy to terminate the privileges of customers who commit repeat
violations of copyright laws.
If the list qualifies as copyrighted, he's in violation of this
provision.
Oh hey, I just tried to email you. Drop me a line at:
webmaster at alt-atheism dot org
when you get a chance. My email bounced for some reason...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: About the a.a. number list and Gastrich's games |
22 Feb 2005 03:48:56 PM |
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L. Raymond wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:29:09 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Okay, now that he's posted our list on his website *without
*permission, I thought I'd explain a bit about what went on over
here.
From Verio's AUP:
Intellectual Property Violations -- ... Also, engaging
in activity that violates privacy, publicity, or other
personal rights of others. Verio is required by law to
remove or block access to customer content upon receipt
of a proper notice of copyright infringement. It is also
Verio's policy to terminate the privileges of customers
who commit repeat violations of copyright laws.
If the list qualifies as copyrighted, he's in violation of this
provision.
Any list automatically has such a copyright.
Which reminds me.
Michelle please send me an email and I will reveal one of the secrets of the
ages.
(Not exactly but it may be of interest to you.)
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