Religions > Atheism > ACCEPT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!! >>
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20 Jan 2006 05:00:35 PM |
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ACCEPT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!! >> |
America is a Christian nation of REAL Christians, who read the REAL
Bible the way it REALLY is and don't give in to self serving >interpretations to suit their own devious political agendas. GOD HATES ATEIISTS HOMOS!!! SAVE YOUR SOUL NOW!!!
Transsexuals are the more EVIL, PERVERTED side of the gay movement. >
It's not enough to shove GAY MARRIAGE down everyone's throat, now they
got to surgically alter their bodies to make it look WE will ALL have to pay for the sins and aberrations of these Sodomite > SICKOS.; Pay no attention to these "ATEISTS Gays" and "Wiccan Transsexuals" > > > and all the other self deluded fudgepackers. They are twisting and > > > misinterpreting the Bible and other scriptures in a sick perverted > > > attempt to force their sodomizing agenda on the American mainstream > > > and gain support from them. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
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20 Jan 2006 06:59:31 PM |
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"BenedictArnoldGENERAL" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in
news:1137798035.285771.11780@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Subject: ACCEPT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR BEFORE IT'S TOO
LATE!!! >>
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You won't out-exclaim me, fucker. Don't even try.
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Doc Smartass XP - New Interface, Same Old *****
Keep THOR in THURSDAY!
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| User: "HotelCharlieOne" |
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20 Jan 2006 08:14:11 PM |
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"BenedictArnoldGENERAL" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in
news:1137798035.285771.11780@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
WE will ALL have to pay for the sins and aberrations of these Sodomite
SICKOS
That's what really scares you doesn't it? Your so called fair and just
God has shown no indications that it understands the concept of
collateral damage. Sodom and Gomorrah, Katrina, the tsunami. See some
sin, wipe out a city; What, some were innocent? Who cares I'm God and
them suckas will pray to me over and over again and curse those who
disagree with my fables anyway.
So yeah, you're right. That idiot God you pray to is a menace and will
kill you just for having non-(proper sect)-Christians as neighbors.
Sleep well!
Go in Peace
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims
may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber
barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's
cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be
satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment
us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own
conscience.
-- (C.)live (S.)taples Lewis (1898-1963) in "God in the Dock"
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: ACCEPT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!>> |
20 Jan 2006 11:00:03 PM |
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HotelCharlieOne wrote:
"BenedictArnoldGENERAL" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in
news:1137798035.285771.11780@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
WE will ALL have to pay for the sins and aberrations of these Sodomite
SICKOS
That's what really scares you doesn't it? Your so called fair and just
God has shown no indications that it understands the concept of
collateral damage. Sodom and Gomorrah, Katrina, the tsunami. See some
sin, wipe out a city; What, some were innocent? Who cares I'm God and
them suckas will pray to me over and over again and curse those who
disagree with my fables anyway.
So yeah, you're right. That idiot God you pray to is a menace and will
kill you just for having non-(proper sect)-Christians as neighbors.
Sleep well!
He could have popped out of his mother's womb grossly deformed like some
do. So gross the mother never even gets a look before the fetus is
incinerated. Some god.
on the other hand perhaps............
Go in Peace
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims
may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber
barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's
cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be
satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment
us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own
conscience.
-- (C.)live (S.)taples Lewis (1898-1963) in "God in the Dock"
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: ACCEPT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!! >> |
20 Jan 2006 09:20:24 PM |
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"BenedictArnoldGENERAL" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:1137798035.285771.11780@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
America is a Christian nation of REAL Christians, who read the REAL
Bible the way it REALLY is and don't give in to self serving
interpretations to suit their own devious political agendas. GOD HATES
ATEIISTS HOMOS!!! SAVE YOUR SOUL NOW!!!
***** you too.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: ACCEPT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!! >> |
21 Jan 2006 01:09:19 AM |
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"BenedictArnoldGENERAL" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:1137798035.285771.11780@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
America is a Christian nation of REAL Christians, who read the REAL
Bible the way it REALLY is and don't give in to self serving
interpretations to suit their own devious political agendas. GOD HATES
ATEIISTS HOMOS!!! SAVE YOUR SOUL NOW!!!
Transsexuals are the more EVIL, PERVERTED side of the gay movement. >
It's not enough to shove GAY MARRIAGE down everyone's throat, now they
got to surgically alter their bodies to make it look WE will ALL have
to pay for the sins and aberrations of these Sodomite > SICKOS.; Pay no
attention to these "ATEISTS Gays" and "Wiccan Transsexuals" > > > and all
the other self deluded fudgepackers. They are twisting and > > >
misinterpreting the Bible and other scriptures in a sick perverted > > >
attempt to force their sodomizing agenda on the American mainstream > > >
and gain support from them. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
Feeling the love....wow christianity makes you such a nice person doesn't
it.
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| User: "SteveTBM®" |
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| Title: Re: ACCEPT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!! >> |
20 Jan 2006 06:02:04 PM |
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"BenedictArnoldGENERAL" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:1137798035.285771.11780@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
America is a Christian nation of REAL Christians, who read the REAL
Bible the way it REALLY is and don't give in to self serving
interpretations to suit their own devious political agendas. GOD HATES
ATEIISTS HOMOS!!! SAVE YOUR SOUL NOW!!!
Transsexuals are the more EVIL, PERVERTED side of the gay movement. >
It's not enough to shove GAY MARRIAGE down everyone's throat, now they
got to surgically alter their bodies to make it look WE will ALL have
to pay for the sins and aberrations of these Sodomite > SICKOS.; Pay no
attention to these "ATEISTS Gays" and "Wiccan Transsexuals" > > > and all
the other self deluded fudgepackers. They are twisting and > > >
misinterpreting the Bible and other scriptures in a sick perverted > > >
attempt to force their sodomizing agenda on the American mainstream > > >
and gain support from them. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
Well, thats me converted...
STBM
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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21 Jan 2006 12:33:41 AM |
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'nuff said
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
Why I am not a christian:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus/nojebus
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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21 Jan 2006 12:39:37 AM |
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BenedictArnoldGENERAL wrote:
America is a Christian nation of REAL Christians,
God does not exist. Its provable. So Jesus doesn't matter.
IS THERE A GOD?
Strong Atheism's answer.
A BASIC DEFINITION OF GOD.
The general overarching definition of god as per
the major religions of the world is:
A. God is personal, God has will and consciousness.
B. God has free will.
C. God is the creator of all.
D. God is omnipotent.
E. God is omnibenevolent.
F. God is omniscient.
G. God is that which nothing more powerful
can be imagined.
These are the basic attributes that can be claimed
for the god of orthodox Judaism, Christianity,
Islam, and Hinduism.
Omnibenevolence and omniscience are actually
logically derivable from the claimed attribute of
omnipotence and so aren't not truly independent
attributes, and may be considered special aspects
of omnipotence.
There are other attributes of god, that he is the
only such god, that he is is immortal and that
god has always existed that are not important
for this discussion and for now, can be ignored.
They are secondary arguments and are for the most
part not foundational or truly necessary, except
those that can be logically derived from the
attributes listed above.
A CLASS OF GODS
It is important to note here that this is a
definition not for a particular god, but an
entire class of gods.
Sub-theories about god are not important here.
Christianity claims one may attain salvation
only through Jesus, Islam claims the Christian
dogma that Jesus was the son of god is
blasphemous.
Ideas like this though, are of little importance
to the overarching and general claims made for a
personal, creator, omni-everything god. I have
coined a term, The Grand God of Grand Theologies
for this sort of god, this sort of theological
system of expansive claims for god.
Grand theologies are those theologies that have
adopted this class of god as their basic
attributes concerning the nature of god. But it
is important to remember here that what is being
discussed here is a class of gods, not particular
gods or specific gods.
THE FOUR GREAT THEOLOGICAL TRADITIONS
Again, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism hold
to this basic Grand God and are typical Grand
Theologies holding to this basic class of god as
their basic definitions of what god is at god's
most basic level.
A big problem with this class of gods is, it
collapses rather easily into internal self
contradiction.
THE PROBLEM OF EVIL.
The problem of evil was first written down by
Epicurus in about the third century BCE.
Today's formulation is:
A. God is defined as omnipotent;
B. and as omnibenevolent.
C. Evil exists.
D. God therefore, is not omnipotent as claimed.
E. Or God is not omnibenevolent as claimed.
F. Or god is neither omnipotent or
omnibenevolent.
G. Or god is not existant.
THE FREE WILL DEFENSE
The free will defense of the problem of evil goes
back to St. Augustine who popularized it. It is
still popular, and is championed most notably
today by Alvin Plantinga, but also by other
theologians.
God gave man free will. Man freely chooses to do
evil. Ability to do evil is less evil than
lacking free will.
THE FREE WILL DEFENSE DEBUNKED.
God has free will.
God is omnibenevolent, he has a good nature
incapable of doing evil.
A. If god can have free will, and a good nature,
this good nature is not allowed to count
against god's free will.
B. Nor is god's lack of ability to do evil
allowed to count against god's omnipotence.
C. Likewise, man could easily have a god like
free will and a god like good nature.
D. Inabilty then to do evil would no more count
against man's free will than it does for god's
free will.
E. If so, it also counts against god's free will
and god does not have free will as claimed.
F. If god does not have absolute and total free
will, thus free will is not a true necessity
at all.
F. If god is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, and
can give man a god like free will and a
god-like good nature incapable of moral evil,
god must do so or god is not moral, not
omnibenevolent.
G. Evil exists because he allows it to.
So free will does not exist, or it does and we can
have a god like free will and a god like good
nature. Either way, free will cannot explain away
the existence of evil. This free will defense
then, is a failed argument.
OMNISCIENCE VERSUS CREATORHOOD OF GOD
God is defined as creator of all in most
religions.
And god is claimed to be omniscient, all knowing.
A. God created the Universe and all in it.
B. God is omniscient, all knowing, he knows all
in the Universe and he knows the future of the
Universe and its contents.
C. If god creates a Universe, he will know that
in 13 billion years this Universe will have a
man named John Smith in it.
D. If John Smith is good and saved, or evil and
damned, God will know that.
E. As he knows that the Universe in its present
state will have a John Smith, god may then
contemplate the future state of Smith and
decide if he will tolerate an evil Smith.
F. If yes, Smith will be evil only because of a
specific personal and will choice made solely
by god.
G. If Smith is evil, then evil exists solely
because of a choice made by god. In fact all
moral evil done by creations of god will be
evil and do evil only because of personal and
willful creations of god allowing evil acts
to be done, by direct decision of god.
H. If evil exists in a world with an omniscient
creator god, it is solely and only because
god allows evil.
I. If evil exists solely because of personal
choices of god, god then is not as defined,
omnibenevolent.
J. Man and any other sentient being in such a
Universe cannot have any free will, not even
in principle. A Universe with a god that
creates all and knows all precludes free will
for all beings god creates in the strongest
possible manner.
The Grand God of Grand
Theology is thus self destroying, it is
incoherent and contradictory as a theory.
THE SITUATION SO FAR.
1. A minimalistic class of gods is defined, this
Grand God has been defined here with as few
terms as possible.
2. The problem of evil dooms such a claimed god.
3. The attempted defense, free will is fatally
flawed. God's good nature and free will doom
claims free will makes evil necessary for man
to have free will.
4. Omniscience and creatorhood of god further
doom claims of god's omnibenevolence and
man's free will free will cannot exist for
man. All evil is the direct and knowing
creation of god contradicting claims of
omnibenevolence.
5. Since Free will for man is totally impossible,
free will cannot be a good quality, much less
necessary.
Here, the Grand God of Grand Theology has
collapsed. As has Grand
Theology. As pointed out, this destroys the claims
and viability of an entire class of possible gods,
all secondary and tertiary claims for such a god of
this class also fail, as do dogmas or secondary
or tertiary claims.
If a these Grand Gods cannot exist as defined,
specific gods cannot, nor can claims such as this
or that Grand God sent this or that revelation to
man or some prophet or did this or that.
God is thus disprove and is utter irrelevant
to anything real and existant.
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OMNIPOTENCE AND OMNISCIENCE
A. Omnipotence is a special sort of attribute, of
all god's alledged attributes the most
important, because from that attribute you
can derive others attributes, including
omniscience. If one says for purposes of
argument god is omnipotent, one is also
implying god is also omniscient.
B. If god is omnipotent, god must also
specifically have omniscience because if
he does not have omniscience, one
cannot claim omnipotence as an attribute.
C. Thus if god is omnipotent, and created all,
free will is impossible because creation
and omniscience rule out free will as was
shown. In this world god supposedly created,
evil exists. So god must not be
omnibenevolent as claimed as all evil is
created by god if man cannot have free will.
D. So omnipotence and omnibenevolence are thus
mutually exclusive in a world that does in
fact have evil in it. Because omniscience
must exist as part of omnipotence and
omniscience and creatorhood cannot coexist
with free will, omnipotence is also not
compatible with creatorhood and
omnibenevolence. One cannot finesse this
all by ignoringomniscience or abandoning
omniscience.
E. One can only dispose of omniscience by also
explicitly abandoning omnipotence. If god is
defined as being omnibenevolent then a god
that is also allegedly also creator of all
must be evil.
CREATORHOOD OF GOD
F. One may be tempted to abandon the idea god
created all. But that creates some very strong
logical problems also.
G. If god is omnipotent, he can create all. Or
modify any other creation he does not himself
create. No other being or process may create
something god could not modify, because of the
power of his omniscience.
H. So if for purposes of argument, we claim the
Universe was not created by god, he could,
being omnipotent, change that creation for
his own purposes, that of creating good due
to his attribute of omnibenevolence.
We are back to the problem of evil again, he
could change creation such that no evil John
Smiths can exist.
If not he then is sole and only cause for
existence of all evil.
If god is omnibenevolent and omnipotent he
still must modify any creations he did not
himself create to destroy evil, if he can
do so. So claiming god did not create all
does not save the concept of an omnipotent,
omnibenevolent god. It cannot avoid the
problem of evil.
I. Omniscience means we cannot dodge the problem
of evil by stating god did not create the
Universe even if one wished to, nor by limiting
his creatorhood, for example saying god did not
create the original material of the Universe,
but used it as a building material.
J. Thus to get rid of the creator problem, we must
explicitly abandon it all and totally. Only by
doing so could one get around the problem of
creatorhood and omniscience. But if we say god
cannot either create the Universe or modify it
as he finds it, we drop omniscience also,
explicitly. God then turns out not to be
creator of all nor omnipotent as a priori
defined, a contradiction disproving that
a priori defined god.
K. If evil exists because god could change the
Universe he did not create, and he fails to do
so, then all evil exists solely because
of knowing and personal choices god makes.
L. God being omnipotent cannot be controlled by
any other process or other entities. He may
modify any works or creations made by them.
M. If god cannot change creations of others, or
the pre-existing materials of the Universe,
omnipotence in not an attribute of god as
claimed a priori.
M. Omnipotence and creatorhood thus are entangled
in a manner that makes it hard to abandon the
doctrine god created all and if one does, one
must likewise abandon claims of omnipotence.
PRE-EXISTING MATTER AND A PRE-EXISTING UNIVERSE.
The Greek writer Hesiod in his Theogony, starts
with a Universe that is a chaotic void. This
void, through the mysterious property of
emanation, created the first generation of gods,
the Titans, who in their turn created the
Olympians gods who eventually displace the
Titans as rulers of the world.
Likewise, some theologians see Genesis as
representing god creating the world out of a
similar void, a primordial sea god did not
himself create, but used as raw material for
his creations.
God's existence is not explained.
This idea god did not create all still would not
absolve an omnipotent god from responsibility
for evil. The biblical god if he did not create
the Universe and its component materials used them
as he pleased. If that god is omnipotent, then he
bears all responsibility for the world he did
create out of pre-existing material. Whether
this god is said to be eternal or like Hesiod's
Titans was somehow emanated from the chaos of
the void does not materially change any arguments
involving omnipotence, omniscience or
omnibenevolence, if god is said to have these
attributes.
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ATTRIBUTES OF GOD PART THREE
Does god create the rules, the laws, the logic of
the Universe or not? Is 2 + 2 = 4 something god
set as part of the nature of the Universe or is
that outside and beyond god?
Can god change 2 + 2 to 5?
A. If god did in fact make the rules and laws and
logic of the Universe, god could also change
them as needed.
B. A god that creates the rules.laws and logic
of the world he creates could simply make a
world where man has free will yet freely
chooses only to do moral good. Since god
creates the rules of the Universe, he could
change them in name of omnibenevolence, free
will is perserved and evil is banished. Evil
no longer needs to exist to allow for free
will.
C. If god could do this and fails to, evil
exists solely and only because of god's
failure to use his omnipotence to change
the rules and laws and logic of the Universe
to give man free will and a nature incapable
of doing evil.
D. If god can do this and fails to, god is not
omnibenevolent as claimed, a contradiction
in definitions of god as omnibenevolent and
omnipotent.
E. God in fact since he is essentially the
creator and sustaining cause of all evil
that was, is, and shall be is omni-malevolent.
F. If god does not make the rules, the laws, the
very logic of the Universe, then we have the
problem of what these things are and where
they come from.
G. If these laws and rules and logic limit god,
then god is obviously not omnipotent as
claimed.
H. And thus god is not as claimed, the greatest
thing that can be imagined. Obviously laws
and rules and logic that limit the most
powerful in the Universe are greater
still because they do in fact limit such
a being.
I. If such laws and rules and logic outside and
beyond god do exist, and are thus greater
than god, god is not the greatest thing
imaginable and all ontological 'proofs' that
are based on that basic claim fail.
J. Such rules and laws and logic must exist
outside of god's control and must have always
bee outside his control. If there were ever
in god's control, god cannot have reduced his
power to abandon omnipotence voluntarily.
Omnipotence is an inherent ability. It would
be like abandoning a sense of taste or touch.
This observation forstalls attempts at
apologisms claiming god abandoned any
abilities.
K. And if god could indeed abandon omnipotence,
he must avoid that. After all, he is also
omnibenevolent. Omnibenevolence dictates he
must at all times do the good thing, never an
evil thing. Abandoning omnipotence such that
he could no longer create a world where man
has free will, and a nature incapable of evil
is to allow evil to exist. To abandon
omnipotence is to embrace the proposition
evil is to be allowed to flourish. So any
claims god might have for some greater good
abandoned omnipotence freely are not possible.
L. If god is said to be omnipotent, if he at
anytime gave up any abilities he can no
longer said to be omnipotent, if he actually
gave up any abilities.
M. Since god must have had maximum power and
abilities and cannot have at any time
voluntarilyy relinquished any powers or
abilities, at least in the name of banishing
evil the fact that there are laws and rules
and logic of a universe outside and beyond
god, they aretrulyy beyond and outside god,
and always were.
N. Since such laws and rules and laws are outside
god, and always were so,and are properties of
the Universe, the Universe is likewise outside
and beyond god, with its laws and rules and
logic.
O. Since the Universe and its laws and rules and
logic are outside and beyond god, god is not
as, creator of all.
P. Since the Universe no longer relies on god for
its purportedexistencee, nor on god for the
existencee of its laws and rules and logic,
god is no longer a necessary being. If there
are things that have necessaryexistencee, it
would have to be the Universe as whole, or
possibly its laws, its rules or its logic,
or a subset of these rules or laws or the
underlying causes of these things, if any.
None were created by god or can be modified
by god.
Q. If these laws and rules and logic could be
modified by god, then the rules and laws
and logic of the Universe would have been
modified to enexistencece of evil, and must
be modified this if god is actually
omnipotent and omnibenevolent.
R. God then is not omnipotent, or not
omnibenevolent, or is neither, or
does not exist.
THE ATTRIBUTES AND NATURE OF GOD IN LIGHT OF THE
ABOVE EXAMINATION OF GOD
Thus the idea god is omnipotent, omnibenevolent,
and creator of all, clash again
and mutually self-destruct over the issue of
evil'existencece. This raises
serious questions on the nature of the Universe
that cannot be as Grand Theology
claims it is.
A. We have shown god cannot have created the
Universe.
B. We have shown god does not create the laws,
rules and laws of that Universe.
C. That god is thus not omnipotent as these laws
limit him.
D. That god is not the greatest imaginable thing.
E. That ontological proofs of god'existencece
based on claims god is the greatest thing
imaginable are failed arguments.
F. That god cannot be a necessary being, as
claimed.
G. That any possible claims god might for some
reason abandon or limit any abilities cannot
be true in any attempt to avoid this line of
inquiry. Nor can that approach derail logical
examination of consequences of Grand
Theology's overarching claims to god's
attributes or nature.
The fact that god iallegedlyly omnibenevolent and
evil exists, demonstrates god cannot make the
rules of the world. 2 + 2 = 4 because that is
the nature of the Universe, not something god
created.Because if god did create the rules and
laws and logic of the Universe, and was
omnibenevolent, we should have no signs of evil,
especially moral evil of man, Satan, demons and
devils.
But if one admits to that, Many other important
claims collapse, many other arguments about god
and his attributes and nature no longer are
viable. Some of these claims, god's creation
of the Universe are among the oldest and most
basic of theology.
Ontological proofs started with Anselm in the
10th century, all of these now must be abandoned.
The necessary being argument, long a rhetorical
argument is now finally dead.
Free will defenses against the problem of evil
opened up a line of attack here that is powerful
and very final.
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It's all coming down! It's all coming down!
IT'S ALL COMING DOWN!
- Texas Chainsaw Massacre II
Cheerful Charlie
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| Title: Re: ACCEPT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!! >> |
20 Jan 2006 05:32:50 PM |
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BenedictArnoldGENERAL wrote:
America is a Christian nation of REAL Christians, who read the REAL
Bible the way it REALLY is and don't give in to self serving
interpretations to suit their own devious political agendas.
There are fake bibles out there? Also, the Bible is rather difficult to read
literally..
GOD HATES
ATEIISTS HOMOS!!! SAVE YOUR SOUL NOW!!!
I wish I knew what an "ateiist" is. Assuming you mean, "atheist", please
remember that God doesn't exist in the minds of atheists.
Transsexuals are the more EVIL, PERVERTED side of the gay movement. >
It's not enough to shove GAY MARRIAGE down everyone's throat, now they
got to surgically alter their bodies to make it look
They're surgically altering their *own* bodies. What does that have to do
with anyone else? Who is affected by someone else's surgery?
WE will ALL have
to pay for the sins and aberrations of these Sodomite > SICKOS.
Even if it is a sin, why would a loving God make *everyone* pay for the
sins?
Pay no
attention to these "ATEISTS Gays" and "Wiccan Transsexuals" > > > and all
the other self deluded fudgepackers.
Self-deluded? How?
They are twisting and > > >
misinterpreting the Bible
Atheists are interpreting the Bible?
and other scriptures in a sick perverted > > >
attempt to force their sodomizing agenda on the American mainstream > > >
What? What agenda? Since when is asking for acceptance 'forcing an agenda on
someone'?
and gain support from them. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
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21 Jan 2006 12:06:01 AM |
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Atheists are no better than the right wing christian fundamentalists
they loathe so much. The only difference is they insist that instead of
not seeing violence, sex, or whatever, they want to never see any
mention of religion whatsoever in the public square, period.
With all due respect to the fine men and women who seek to purge every
reference of God from the public square, the Pope was a hell of a lot
more than the leader of the Roman Catholic church.
Just ask Poland.
Ask Mikhail Gorbachev.
I once had an ***** atheist tell me I was stupid for beleiving in
God.
Well, the fact of the matter is, anyone who thinks the Pope is no more
than a symbol of the Catholic church has their head too far up their
own warted ***** to recognize stupidity when it presents itself.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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21 Jan 2006 06:12:50 AM |
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On 20 Jan 2006 22:06:01 -0800, "TRUECRISTIAN" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM>
wrote:
- Refer: <1137823561.121927.81840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
You missed the 'H' in CHRISTSTAIN.
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| User: "sgeo" |
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21 Jan 2006 10:19:39 AM |
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TRUECRISTIAN wrote:
Atheists are no better than the right wing christian fundamentalists
they loathe so much. The only difference is they insist that instead of
not seeing violence, sex, or whatever, they want to never see any
mention of religion whatsoever in the public square, period.
With all due respect to the fine men and women who seek to purge every
reference of God from the public square, the Pope was a hell of a lot
more than the leader of the Roman Catholic church.
Just ask Poland.
Ask Mikhail Gorbachev.
I once had an ***** atheist tell me I was stupid for beleiving in
God.
Well, the fact of the matter is, anyone who thinks the Pope is no more
than a symbol of the Catholic church has their head too far up their
own warted ***** to recognize stupidity when it presents itself.
Can you please tell me exactly what this has to do with my reply?
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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21 Jan 2006 12:29:16 AM |
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TRUECRISTIAN wrote:
Atheists are no better than the right wing christian fundamentalists
they loathe so much. The only difference is they insist that instead of
not seeing violence, sex, or whatever, they want to never see any
mention of religion whatsoever in the public square, period.
Gee, you got a cite for that claim? Bet not.
With all due respect to the fine men and women who seek to purge every
reference of God from the public square, the Pope was a hell of a lot
more than the leader of the Roman Catholic church.
Yeah, that's nice. Got that cite, yet?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Jan 2006 05:38:11 PM |
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In <1137798035.285771.11780@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"BenedictArnoldGENERAL" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
America is a Christian nation of REAL Christians, who read the REAL
Bible the way it REALLY is and don't give in to self serving
interpretations to suit their own devious political agendas. GOD HATES
ATEIISTS HOMOS!!! SAVE YOUR SOUL NOW!!!
Transsexuals are the more EVIL, PERVERTED side of the gay movement. > It's
not enough to shove GAY MARRIAGE down everyone's throat, now they
got to surgically alter their bodies to make it look WE will ALL have
to pay for the sins and aberrations of these Sodomite > SICKOS.; Pay no
attention to these "ATEISTS Gays" and "Wiccan Transsexuals" > > > and
all the other self deluded fudgepackers. They are twisting and > > >
misinterpreting the Bible and other scriptures in a sick perverted > > >
attempt to force their sodomizing agenda on the American mainstream > >
and gain support from them. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
And here we have illustrated the importance of taking ones prescription
medications per doctor's orders...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Katrina aftermath pictures
http://www.nola.com/katrinaphotos/user/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "gnenian" |
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20 Jan 2006 05:41:27 PM |
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It (the operative pronoun) is a troll.
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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20 Jan 2006 11:00:06 PM |
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In alt.atheism, BenedictArnoldGENERAL
<XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM>
wrote
on 20 Jan 2006 15:00:35 -0800
<1137798035.285771.11780@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
America is a Christian nation of REAL Christians,
who read the REAL Bible the way it REALLY is and
don't give in to self serving interpretations to
suit their own devious political agendas.
GOD HATES ATEIISTS HOMOS!!! SAVE YOUR SOUL NOW!!!
Uh, you do have some evidence for either God, God's hate,
souls, or the requirement to save same somewhere, right Binky?
Transsexuals are the more EVIL, PERVERTED side of the gay
movement. It's not enough to shove GAY MARRIAGE down
everyone's throat, now they got to surgically alter their
bodies to make it look
OK, your quota's been exceeded. Here...read the FAQ,
or at least the version thereof I know about. Nothing
specifically about "evil transsexual atheist homos" or
what not in there, but it might help you to be a wee bit
more coherent than a total raving loon next time.
Enjoy, and next time....try not to use the caps key so much. :-P
http://www.infodels.org/news/atheism/
[rest snipped]
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#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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20 Jan 2006 04:44:33 PM |
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On 20 Jan 2006 15:00:35 -0800 the ET form known as
BenedictArnoldGENERAL<XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> sent a radio signal across
the vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
America is a Christian nation of REAL Christians, who read the REAL
Bible the way it REALLY is
<snipped>
Then let's change the name to Scotland.
--
Remove YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Commit an act of sedition every day - practise free speech
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| User: "bob young" |
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20 Jan 2006 10:52:08 PM |
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Meteorite Debris wrote:
On 20 Jan 2006 15:00:35 -0800 the ET form known as
BenedictArnoldGENERAL<XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> sent a radio signal across
the vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
America is a Christian nation of REAL Christians, who read the REAL
Bible the way it REALLY is
The 'real' bible is simply an old book written by humans, rather along
the same lines as all of these:
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
The Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
There countless more, e.g. cylinders, tablets and scrolls to be found
all over Asia and South America.
Quoting from your old book of fables is banal, pointless and primitive
bob
Humanist brit
Hong kong
God is satisfied with his works
[Gen 1:31]
God is dissatisfied with his works.
[Gen 6:6]
God dwells in chosen temples
[2 Chron 7:12,16]
God dwells not in temples
[Acts 7:48]
<snipped>
Then let's change the name to Scotland.
--
Remove YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Commit an act of sedition every day - practise free speech
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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21 Jan 2006 02:19:58 AM |
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On 20 Jan 2006 15:00:35 -0800, "BenedictArnoldGENERAL"
<XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
America is a Christian nation of REAL Christians, who read the REAL
Bible the way it REALLY is and don't give in to self serving >interpretations to suit their own devious political agendas. GOD HATES ATEIISTS HOMOS!!! SAVE YOUR SOUL NOW!!!
Transsexuals are the more EVIL, PERVERTED side of the gay movement. >
It's not enough to shove GAY MARRIAGE down everyone's throat, now they
got to surgically alter their bodies to make it look WE will ALL have to pay for the sins and aberrations of these Sodomite > SICKOS.; Pay no attention to these "ATEISTS Gays" and "Wiccan Transsexuals" > > > and all the other self deluded fudgepackers. They are twisting and > > > misinterpreting the Bible and other scriptures in a sick perverted > > > attempt to force their sodomizing agenda on the American mainstream > > > and gain support from them. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
Oh my gosh, lookie here: a REAL *****!
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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21 Jan 2006 03:11:08 AM |
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On 20 Jan 2006 15:00:35 -0800, "BenedictArnoldGENERAL"
<XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
Another TRUE-CHRIST-STAIN sock-puppet.
I don't normally wish ill of anyone,
but I hope that this vicious character dies soon.
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| User: "raven1" |
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20 Jan 2006 06:19:11 PM |
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On 20 Jan 2006 15:00:35 -0800, "BenedictArnoldGENERAL"
<XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
Sure is dark under that bridge...
America is a Christian nation of REAL Christians, who read the REAL
Bible the way it REALLY is and don't give in to self serving
interpretations to suit their own devious political agendas. GOD HATES ATEIISTS HOMOS!!! SAVE YOUR SOUL NOW!!!
Transsexuals are the more EVIL, PERVERTED side of the gay movement. >
It's not enough to shove GAY MARRIAGE down everyone's throat, now they
got to surgically alter their bodies to make it look WE will ALL have to pay for the sins and aberrations of these Sodomite
SICKOS.; Pay no attention to these "ATEISTS Gays" and "Wiccan Transsexuals"
and all the other self deluded fudgepackers. They are twisting and
misinterpreting the Bible and other scriptures in a sick perverted
attempt to force their sodomizing agenda on the American mainstream
and gain support from them. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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20 Jan 2006 08:52:31 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet BenedictArnoldGENERAL
(XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM) made the light shine upon us with this:
America is a Christian nation of REAL Christians, who read the REAL
Bible the way it REALLY is and don't give in to self serving
interpretations to suit their own devious political agendas. GOD
HATES ATEIISTS HOMOS!!! SAVE YOUR SOUL NOW!!!
Transsexuals are the more EVIL, PERVERTED side of the gay movement. >
It's not enough to shove GAY MARRIAGE down everyone's throat, now they
got to surgically alter their bodies to make it look WE will ALL
have to pay for the sins and aberrations of these Sodomite > SICKOS.;
Pay no attention to these "ATEISTS Gays" and "Wiccan Transsexuals" >
and all the other self deluded fudgepackers. They are twisting
and > > > misinterpreting the Bible and other scriptures in a sick
perverted > > > attempt to force their sodomizing agenda on the
American mainstream > > > and gain support from them. THIS WILL NEVER
HAPPEN!
Points awarded for interspersed ALLCAPS, HTML, mispellings, illogic and
bigotry. I give it an 8. May I suggest next time you add something to
make the reader's eyes hurt.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011, aw Hellboy #5
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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20 Jan 2006 05:14:23 PM |
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Showing the world your ignorance, your hate and I bet it make you proud
doesn't it. All you fundies have dirty minds and are obsessed on what other
people do in their bedrooms. Did you ever hear the term "MIND YOUR OWN
BUSINESS"? You always post filthy mail and under various names. XL3 you
are the Queer one!
Khubla
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"BenedictArnoldGENERAL" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:1137798035.285771.11780@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
America is a Christian nation of REAL Christians, who read the REAL
Bible the way it REALLY is and don't give in to self serving
interpretations to suit their own devious political agendas. GOD HATES
ATEIISTS HOMOS!!! SAVE YOUR SOUL NOW!!!
Transsexuals are the more EVIL, PERVERTED side of the gay movement. >
It's not enough to shove GAY MARRIAGE down everyone's throat, now they
got to surgically alter their bodies to make it look WE will ALL have
to pay for the sins and aberrations of these Sodomite > SICKOS.; Pay no
attention to these "ATEISTS Gays" and "Wiccan Transsexuals" > > > and all
the other self deluded fudgepackers. They are twisting and > > >
misinterpreting the Bible and other scriptures in a sick perverted > > >
attempt to force their sodomizing agenda on the American mainstream > > >
and gain support from them. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
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| User: "erikc" |
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| Title: Re: ACCEPT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!! >> |
21 Jan 2006 08:01:40 AM |
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:14:23 -0500, "Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote:
Showing the world your ignorance, your hate and I bet it make you proud
doesn't it. All you fundies have dirty minds and are obsessed on what other
people do in their bedrooms. Did you ever hear the term "MIND YOUR OWN
BUSINESS"? You always post filthy mail and under various names. XL3 you
are the Queer one!
Khubla
Poor thing can't help himself. He's under the control of a parasitic,
mind-destroying meme called "funnymentalist religion". This kind of weird
posting is typical of guys like him near the end stage. The lights went out
when he contracted the meme, before long, there will be nobody home.
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"BenedictArnoldGENERAL" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:1137798035.285771.11780@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
America is a Christian nation of REAL Christians, who read the REAL
Bible the way it REALLY is and don't give in to self serving
interpretations to suit their own devious political agendas. GOD HATES
ATEIISTS HOMOS!!! SAVE YOUR SOUL NOW!!!
Transsexuals are the more EVIL, PERVERTED side of the gay movement. >
It's not enough to shove GAY MARRIAGE down everyone's throat, now they
got to surgically alter their bodies to make it look WE will ALL have
to pay for the sins and aberrations of these Sodomite > SICKOS.; Pay no
attention to these "ATEISTS Gays" and "Wiccan Transsexuals" > > > and all
the other self deluded fudgepackers. They are twisting and > > >
misinterpreting the Bible and other scriptures in a sick perverted > > >
attempt to force their sodomizing agenda on the American mainstream > > >
and gain support from them. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight (retired) | "The Truth against the World."
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20 Jan 2006 05:16:55 PM |
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SHUT UP TRAITOR ANTI AMERICAN
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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20 Jan 2006 07:00:06 PM |
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"BenedictArnoldGENERAL" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in
news:1137799015.159007.221870@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
SHUT UP TRAITOR ANTI AMERICAN
At least you didn't call him a "*****" this time.
--
Doc Smartass XP - New Interface, Same Old *****
Keep THOR in THURSDAY!
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21 Jan 2006 02:41:33 PM |
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"BenedictArnoldGENERAL" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:1137799015.159007.221870@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
SHUT UP TRAITOR ANTI AMERICAN
These deep and profound statements impress us of your level of intelligence!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Jan 2006 05:38:47 PM |
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In <1137799015.159007.221870@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"BenedictArnoldGENERAL" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
SHUT UP TRAITOR ANTI AMERICAN
Now, now, get yourself worked up and the nice nurse is going to have to
get the turkey baster of thorazine again...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
Katrina aftermath pictures
http://www.nola.com/katrinaphotos/user/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: ACCEPT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!>> |
20 Jan 2006 10:53:07 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
In <1137799015.159007.221870@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"BenedictArnoldGENERAL" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
SHUT UP TRAITOR ANTI AMERICAN
Now, now, get yourself worked up and the nice nurse is going to have to
get the turkey baster of thorazine again...
I prefer that shock treatment, gives me a big hard on
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
Katrina aftermath pictures
http://www.nola.com/katrinaphotos/user/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: ACCEPT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!! >> |
23 Jan 2006 02:54:57 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:43D1BDE0.78D6391B@netvigator.com...
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
In <1137799015.159007.221870@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"BenedictArnoldGENERAL" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
SHUT UP TRAITOR ANTI AMERICAN
Now, now, get yourself worked up and the nice nurse is going to have to
get the turkey baster of thorazine again...
I prefer that shock treatment, gives me a big hard on
Whoa! ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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