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"Mike Painter" |
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13 May 2004 10:12:33 PM |
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ACLU and the Patriot act. |
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
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| User: "John Thomas Grisham" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
14 May 2004 03:59:19 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message news:<BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
In 1995 when 60 Minutes reporters were denied the freedom to report
something... all they could say was they couldn't say (sounds
familiar?), I felt it was just a matter of time, then.
Of course, they claim that the report was about how cigarette smoking
causes cancer (Big Newsflash?) and the tobacco companies supposedly
kept CBS from letting them report it.
Does that sound plausible to you? It never did to me!
JTG 5/14/04
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| User: "+Church of The Painful Truth+" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
13 May 2004 10:06:47 PM |
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ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
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| User: "Chris Thompson" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
13 May 2004 10:23:08 PM |
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"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in
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ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
You know, Raygoon, they would defend you even as you spit on them.
They obviously have cast-iron stomachs.
Chris
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| User: "Stanley Friesen" |
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14 May 2004 08:48:37 AM |
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Chris Thompson <rockwallaby@TAKEOUTerols.com> wrote:
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in
news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net:
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
You know, Raygoon, they would defend you even as you spit on them.
They obviously have cast-iron stomachs.
The thing I find almost unbelievable about his statement is that he was
responding to lawsuits by the ACLU against a law that *openly* and
*explicitly* restricts our freedoms. How can opposing it be contra
freedom?
The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
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| User: "Andrew Arensburger" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
14 May 2004 11:19:44 AM |
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In talk.origins Stanley Friesen <sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
The thing I find almost unbelievable about his statement is that he was
responding to lawsuits by the ACLU against a law that *openly* and
*explicitly* restricts our freedoms. How can opposing it be contra
freedom?
"Openly" and "explicitly" are relative. I skimmed the text of
the USA-PATRIOT act, and it reminded me of nothing so much as a
software patch: there was very little actual text; most of it was of
the form "Title X, Section Y is amended as follows: replace A with B,
strike C, insert D."
This may be a common way of writing bills, but it makes it
harder for a layman such as myself to understand what the law says,
since I first have to familiarize myself with the law being patched.
On the surface, it does look like a deliberately obfuscated law
(though perhaps, as I said, such writing is the norm, in which case
arguably the whole system should be changed: it would be nice if
ordinary people could read and understand the laws that they're bound
by.).
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Andrew Arensburger, Systems guy University of Maryland
arensb.no-bloody-spam@umd.edu Office of Information Technology
Did you really understand that message?
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
14 May 2004 11:37:37 AM |
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"Andrew Arensburger" <arensb.no-bloody-spam@umd.edu> wrote in message
news:c82rv0$p0a$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
In talk.origins Stanley Friesen <sarima@friesen.net> wrote:
The thing I find almost unbelievable about his statement is that he was
responding to lawsuits by the ACLU against a law that *openly* and
*explicitly* restricts our freedoms. How can opposing it be contra
freedom?
"Openly" and "explicitly" are relative. I skimmed the text of
the USA-PATRIOT act, and it reminded me of nothing so much as a
software patch: there was very little actual text; most of it was of
the form "Title X, Section Y is amended as follows: replace A with B,
strike C, insert D."
This may be a common way of writing bills, but it makes it
harder for a layman such as myself to understand what the law says,
since I first have to familiarize myself with the law being patched.
On the surface, it does look like a deliberately obfuscated law
(though perhaps, as I said, such writing is the norm, in which case
arguably the whole system should be changed: it would be nice if
ordinary people could read and understand the laws that they're bound
by.).
Here's an interesting article where former Congressman Bob Barr (R) says of
his vote for the PATRIOT Act: "I was hoping at the time that it would not be
used as a floor but as a ceiling. But it's been a taking-off point for
expanded authority in a number of areas. Perhaps most important is the fact
that the administration seems to be pushing its application as broadly as it
can in nonterrorism cases. And despite the assurances by the administration
that Section 215, which relates to obtaining records from libraries and
other repositories, is not being used, the fact is it is being used."
http://reason.com/0312/cr.jw.bob.shtml
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| User: "Dale" |
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14 May 2004 01:59:15 AM |
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"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net...
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
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After ACLU Intervention on Behalf of Christian Valedictorian, Michigan High
School Agrees to Stop Censoring Religious Yearbook Entries
May 11, 2004
DETROIT - The American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan today announced an
out-of-court settlement between the Utica Community School District and a
local student over the censorship of her 2001 yearbook entry. The student's
entry had been deleted from the yearbook because it contained a passage from
the Bible.
"While it is true that the Constitution forbids public schools to promote
religion, schools must be careful not to suppress the private religious
expression of students," said ACLU of Michigan Legal Director Michael J.
Steinberg, who represented the student. "In this case, a high school
purported to create an open forum for student expression, yet censored a
student's speech because it was religious in nature."
----
Read more about it here,
http://www.aclu.org/StudentsRights/StudentsRights.cfm?ID=15680&c=159
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
13 May 2004 10:21:25 PM |
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"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net...
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
I suppose that Rush Limbaugh is one of the lousy left?
Your stupidity is evident. They would even support you if the need arose.
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
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| User: "+Church of The Painful Truth+" |
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13 May 2004 10:53:25 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:71Xoc.2414$hH.55148@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net...
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
I suppose that Rush Limbaugh is one of the lousy left?
Your stupidity is evident. They would even support you if the need arose.
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
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| User: "Eric Gill" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
14 May 2004 07:52:05 AM |
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"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in
news:IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net:
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:71Xoc.2414$hH.55148@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in
message news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net...
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
I suppose that Rush Limbaugh is one of the lousy left?
Your stupidity is evident. They would even support you if the need
arose.
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a
rabid dog.
The 'religious freedom' to force your religion on others, yes.
Where anyone got the idea this is a 'religious freedom' is a complete
mystery.
They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
Ah, Slimewise. What a wonderful little world of hate you live in.
Tsk.
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| User: "Kate " |
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14 May 2004 08:31:10 AM |
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On Fri, 14 May 2004 12:52:05 GMT, Eric Gill <ericvgill@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in
news:IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net:
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:71Xoc.2414$hH.55148@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in
message news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net...
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
I suppose that Rush Limbaugh is one of the lousy left?
Your stupidity is evident. They would even support you if the need
arose.
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a
rabid dog.
The 'religious freedom' to force your religion on others, yes.
Where anyone got the idea this is a 'religious freedom' is a complete
mystery.
They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
Ah, Slimewise. What a wonderful little world of hate you live in.
Tsk.
You know if some of these guys were not able to type or say the word
Clinton, Hilary, communist or ACLU I think they would explode.
Apparently they must adore those things because it's like their every
other thought.
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 May 2004 10:15:00 AM |
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On 14 May 2004 08:31:10 -0500, (Kate ), Message ID:
<40cfc917.775320812@news-west.newscene.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Fri, 14 May 2004 12:52:05 GMT, Eric Gill <ericvgill@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in
news:IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net:
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:71Xoc.2414$hH.55148@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in
message news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net...
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
I suppose that Rush Limbaugh is one of the lousy left?
Your stupidity is evident. They would even support you if the need
arose.
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a
rabid dog.
The 'religious freedom' to force your religion on others, yes.
Where anyone got the idea this is a 'religious freedom' is a complete
mystery.
They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
Ah, Slimewise. What a wonderful little world of hate you live in.
Tsk.
You know if some of these guys were not able to type or say the word
Clinton, Hilary, communist or ACLU I think they would explode.
Apparently they must adore those things because it's like their every
other thought.
'Thought?' Disagree, the mere parroting they do is reflex.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
14 May 2004 01:11:17 AM |
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"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net...
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:71Xoc.2414$hH.55148@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net...
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
I suppose that Rush Limbaugh is one of the lousy left?
Your stupidity is evident. They would even support you if the need
arose.
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a
rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
If you are not aware that they defended Rush Limbaugh then you know noting
about the orginazation or what they do.
They offer constitutionally guarented rights.
It is nice to see that you differentiate between christianity and religious
freedom however. Luther and Calvin would be proud, especially Calvin
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| User: "Steve the Sauropodman" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
24 May 2004 08:38:18 AM |
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"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message news:<IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net>...
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:71Xoc.2414$hH.55148@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net...
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
I suppose that Rush Limbaugh is one of the lousy left?
Your stupidity is evident. They would even support you if the need arose.
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
Damn, you are such an insufferable jackass. If it weren't for the
ACLU, you wouldn't have the police read your rights, coerced
confessions would be admissible, illegally obtained evidence would be
allowed in courts, and what little remains of the presumption of
innocence would be completely eradicated. Wake up, and smell the Bill
of Rights, yahoo!
Cheers.
P.S. Now don't forget to come back with something infantile, and
petulant.
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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25 May 2004 07:31:23 PM |
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In article <fd9543a1.0405240546.768ec553@posting.google.com>,
(Steve the Sauropodman) wrote:
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:<IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net>...
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:71Xoc.2414$hH.55148@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net...
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
I suppose that Rush Limbaugh is one of the lousy left?
Your stupidity is evident. They would even support you if the need arose.
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
Damn, you are such an insufferable jackass. If it weren't for the
ACLU, you wouldn't have the police read your rights, coerced
confessions would be admissible, illegally obtained evidence would be
allowed in courts, and what little remains of the presumption of
innocence would be completely eradicated. Wake up, and smell the Bill
of Rights, yahoo!
Cheers.
Today's Shoe (comic strip) points this out. A jailbird is complaining
that his lawyer charged him 25K to appeal his execution. The reporter
said "talk about the high cost of living.".
P.S. Now don't forget to come back with something infantile, and
petulant.
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| User: "Hank" |
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26 May 2004 09:03:01 AM |
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Steve the Sauropodman wrote:
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message news:<IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net>...
<snip>
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
Damn, you are such an insufferable jackass. If it weren't for the
ACLU, you wouldn't have the police read your rights, coerced
confessions would be admissible, illegally obtained evidence would be
allowed in courts, and what little remains of the presumption of
innocence would be completely eradicated. Wake up, and smell the Bill
of Rights, yahoo!
Now folks, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Soviet Union fall
apart a few years back? Calling someone a communist is amusingly
anachronistic.
--
Assimilate a pitiful little species like you? I think not! - Q of Borg
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| User: "Andrew Arensburger" |
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27 May 2004 09:57:06 AM |
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In talk.origins Hank <Hank@company.com> wrote:
Now folks, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Soviet Union fall
apart a few years back? Calling someone a communist is amusingly
anachronistic.
Well, there's still Cuba. Not much of an evil superpower, I'll
grant, but you gotta make do with what you've got.
--
Andrew Arensburger, Systems guy University of Maryland
arensb.no-bloody-spam@umd.edu Office of Information Technology
According to the Theory of Dubious Theories...
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
30 May 2004 12:24:55 PM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 14:03:01 +0000 (UTC), Hank <Hank@Company.com>,
Message ID: <40B4A267.47EB1CFB@Company.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
Steve the Sauropodman wrote:
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message news:<IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net>...
<snip>
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
Damn, you are such an insufferable jackass. If it weren't for the
ACLU, you wouldn't have the police read your rights, coerced
confessions would be admissible, illegally obtained evidence would be
allowed in courts, and what little remains of the presumption of
innocence would be completely eradicated. Wake up, and smell the Bill
of Rights, yahoo!
Now folks, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Soviet Union fall
apart a few years back? Calling someone a communist is amusingly
anachronistic.
Yes, the Sov Union fell apart a few years ago. Shrubco caught it and
has been installing it in the U.S..
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Ethan Rogati" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
30 May 2004 07:41:34 PM |
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In article <ir6kb0pj8kiaoaaj8ecim96o7a8tm42upp@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 14:03:01 +0000 (UTC), Hank <Hank@Company.com>,
Message ID: <40B4A267.47EB1CFB@Company.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
Steve the Sauropodman wrote:
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:<IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net>...
<snip>
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a
rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
Damn, you are such an insufferable jackass. If it weren't for the
ACLU, you wouldn't have the police read your rights, coerced
confessions would be admissible, illegally obtained evidence would be
allowed in courts, and what little remains of the presumption of
innocence would be completely eradicated. Wake up, and smell the Bill
of Rights, yahoo!
Now folks, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Soviet Union fall
apart a few years back? Calling someone a communist is amusingly
anachronistic.
Yes, the Sov Union fell apart a few years ago. Shrubco caught it and
has been installing it in the U.S..
So is calling someone a communist in Cuba or China anachronistic?
--
Ethan Rogati
edr2442@earthlink.net
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
30 May 2004 08:00:09 PM |
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On 05/31/2004 10:41:34 Ethan Rogati <edr2442@earthlink.net> wrote:
In article <ir6kb0pj8kiaoaaj8ecim96o7a8tm42upp@4ax.com>, stoney
<stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 14:03:01 +0000 (UTC), Hank <Hank@Company.com>,
Message ID: <40B4A267.47EB1CFB@Company.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
Steve the Sauropodman wrote:
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in
message news:<IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net>...
Bullcrap, They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the
fervor of a rabid dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
Damn, you are such an insufferable jackass. If it weren't for the
ACLU, you wouldn't have the police read your rights, coerced
confessions would be admissible, illegally obtained evidence would be
allowed in courts, and what little remains of the presumption of
innocence would be completely eradicated. Wake up, and smell the Bill
of Rights, yahoo!
Now folks, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Soviet Union fall
apart a few years back? Calling someone a communist is amusingly
anachronistic.
Yes, the Sov Union fell apart a few years ago. Shrubco caught it and has
been installing it in the U.S..
So is calling someone a communist in Cuba or China anachronistic?
Pretty much - the former is a one-party social democracy, while the other
is a trading nation under authoritarian rule, just like China always has
been... ;-)
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| User: "stoney" |
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31 May 2004 07:45:21 PM |
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 00:41:34 +0000 (UTC), Ethan Rogati
<edr2442@earthlink.net>, Message ID:
<edr2442-DC21FE.20505630052004@syrcnyrdrs-02-ge0.nyroc.rr.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
In article <ir6kb0pj8kiaoaaj8ecim96o7a8tm42upp@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 14:03:01 +0000 (UTC), Hank <Hank@Company.com>,
Message ID: <40B4A267.47EB1CFB@Company.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
Steve the Sauropodman wrote:
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:<IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net>...
<snip>
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a
rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
Damn, you are such an insufferable jackass. If it weren't for the
ACLU, you wouldn't have the police read your rights, coerced
confessions would be admissible, illegally obtained evidence would be
allowed in courts, and what little remains of the presumption of
innocence would be completely eradicated. Wake up, and smell the Bill
of Rights, yahoo!
Now folks, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Soviet Union fall
apart a few years back? Calling someone a communist is amusingly
anachronistic.
Yes, the Sov Union fell apart a few years ago. Shrubco caught it and
has been installing it in the U.S..
So is calling someone a communist in Cuba or China anachronistic?
You. And your (cough) 'response' is a non-sequitor.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Ross Langerak" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
14 May 2004 10:36:05 PM |
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"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message news:<IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net>...
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:71Xoc.2414$hH.55148@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net...
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
I suppose that Rush Limbaugh is one of the lousy left?
Your stupidity is evident. They would even support you if the need arose.
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
The ACLU is dedicated to defending the rights guaranteed by the United
States Constitution. Can you give us an example of the ACLU
interfering with religious freedom?
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
15 May 2004 02:05:15 PM |
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In article <55374a6a.0405141942.555e6d16@posting.google.com>,
(Ross Langerak) wrote:
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:<IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net>...
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:71Xoc.2414$hH.55148@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net...
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
I suppose that Rush Limbaugh is one of the lousy left?
Your stupidity is evident. They would even support you if the need arose.
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
The ACLU is dedicated to defending the rights guaranteed by the United
States Constitution. Can you give us an example of the ACLU
interfering with religious freedom?
*
You are probably too young to remember the case where the ACLU
defended the American Nazi Party's right to parade in a Jewish
neighborhood near Chicago (Skokie, IL).
The ACLU takes on very unpopular cases when freedom of speech is
involved.
earle
*
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
15 May 2004 06:26:10 PM |
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"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:earle.jones-5E408C.12115515052004@netnews.comcast.net...
In article <55374a6a.0405141942.555e6d16@posting.google.com>,
rlangerak@earthlink.net (Ross Langerak) wrote:
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:<IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net>...
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:71Xoc.2414$hH.55148@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in
message
news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net...
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
I suppose that Rush Limbaugh is one of the lousy left?
Your stupidity is evident. They would even support you if the need
arose.
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to
publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a
rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
The ACLU is dedicated to defending the rights guaranteed by the United
States Constitution. Can you give us an example of the ACLU
interfering with religious freedom?
*
You are probably too young to remember the case where the ACLU
defended the American Nazi Party's right to parade in a Jewish
neighborhood near Chicago (Skokie, IL).
The ACLU takes on very unpopular cases when freedom of speech is
involved.
earle
*
I quit the ACLU due that case. Later on, I realized that they were
right and I was wrong. It's important to keep such cockroaches as
the American Nazi Party out under the full light of the sun where
everyone can see how evil they are. I rejoined the ACLU.
--
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Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
alt.atheism atheist/agnostic list name collector
BAAWA Knight Who Says SPONG! & EAC Bible thumper thumper
http://questioner.www2.50megs.com
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
15 May 2004 11:17:39 PM |
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In article <zaydne22l9Y1NTvdRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:earle.jones-5E408C.12115515052004@netnews.comcast.net...
In article <55374a6a.0405141942.555e6d16@posting.google.com>,
rlangerak@earthlink.net (Ross Langerak) wrote:
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:<IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net>...
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:71Xoc.2414$hH.55148@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in
message
news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net...
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
I suppose that Rush Limbaugh is one of the lousy left?
Your stupidity is evident. They would even support you if the need
arose.
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to
publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a
rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
The ACLU is dedicated to defending the rights guaranteed by the United
States Constitution. Can you give us an example of the ACLU
interfering with religious freedom?
*
You are probably too young to remember the case where the ACLU
defended the American Nazi Party's right to parade in a Jewish
neighborhood near Chicago (Skokie, IL).
The ACLU takes on very unpopular cases when freedom of speech is
involved.
earle
*
I quit the ACLU due that case. Later on, I realized that they were
right and I was wrong. It's important to keep such cockroaches as
the American Nazi Party out under the full light of the sun where
everyone can see how evil they are. I rejoined the ACLU.
*
Mickey: Greetings!
I had the same feelings that you did regarding the Skokie case. And
as you did, I realized that the ACLU was right.
Good for us!
And whoever hides behind the "Church of the Painful Truth", let them
come out and identify themselves as the stupid religious
right-wingers they are.
earle
*
BTW, with tax-time behind us, it is time to consider next year's
contributions. I think I will make a donation to the ACLU in their
name!
ej
*
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
16 May 2004 02:04:12 AM |
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"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:earle.jones-CB674F.21242515052004@netnews.comcast.net...
In article <zaydne22l9Y1NTvdRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:earle.jones-5E408C.12115515052004@netnews.comcast.net...
In article <55374a6a.0405141942.555e6d16@posting.google.com>,
rlangerak@earthlink.net (Ross Langerak) wrote:
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in
message
news:<IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net>...
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:71Xoc.2414$hH.55148@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in
message
news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net...
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
I suppose that Rush Limbaugh is one of the lousy left?
Your stupidity is evident. They would even support you if the
need
arose.
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to
publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor
of a
rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
The ACLU is dedicated to defending the rights guaranteed by the
United
States Constitution. Can you give us an example of the ACLU
interfering with religious freedom?
*
You are probably too young to remember the case where the ACLU
defended the American Nazi Party's right to parade in a Jewish
neighborhood near Chicago (Skokie, IL).
The ACLU takes on very unpopular cases when freedom of speech is
involved.
earle
*
I quit the ACLU due that case. Later on, I realized that they were
right and I was wrong. It's important to keep such cockroaches as
the American Nazi Party out under the full light of the sun where
everyone can see how evil they are. I rejoined the ACLU.
*
Mickey: Greetings!
I had the same feelings that you did regarding the Skokie case. And
as you did, I realized that the ACLU was right.
Good for us!
And whoever hides behind the "Church of the Painful Truth", let them
come out and identify themselves as the stupid religious
right-wingers they are.
earle
*
BTW, with tax-time behind us, it is time to consider next year's
contributions. I think I will make a donation to the ACLU in their
name!
Good idea. That should make their hair stand on end, even
as they hide behind their pseudonyms as the cowards they
are. I belong to several groups (American Atheists, ACLU,
Americans United for the Separation of Church & State,
People For the American Way, MoveOn.org and more),
so I usually give a small donation along with my signing
back up every year. Plus I donate to NARAL and NORD
and a literacy program through my job each year. I doubt
very highly that Churchy donates to anything. It just isn't
the fundy way.
Mickey
ej
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| User: "Jim Loats" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
15 May 2004 03:29:27 PM |
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In article <earle.jones-5E408C.12115515052004@netnews.comcast.net>,
Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <55374a6a.0405141942.555e6d16@posting.google.com>,
rlangerak@earthlink.net (Ross Langerak) wrote:
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:<IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net>...
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a
rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
The ACLU is dedicated to defending the rights guaranteed by the United
States Constitution. Can you give us an example of the ACLU
interfering with religious freedom?
*
You are probably too young to remember the case where the ACLU
defended the American Nazi Party's right to parade in a Jewish
neighborhood near Chicago (Skokie, IL).
The ACLU takes on very unpopular cases when freedom of speech is
involved.
earle
Or more recently, this case:
<http://www.freep.com/news/education/utica12_20040512.htm>
"ACLU gets Bible verse back in local yearbook"
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
14 May 2004 10:44:47 PM |
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In article <55374a6a.0405141942.555e6d16@posting.google.com>,
rlangerak@earthlink.net says...
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message news:<IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net>...
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:71Xoc.2414$hH.55148@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net...
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
I suppose that Rush Limbaugh is one of the lousy left?
Your stupidity is evident. They would even support you if the need arose.
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
The ACLU is dedicated to defending the rights guaranteed by the United
States Constitution. Can you give us an example of the ACLU
interfering with religious freedom?
Sure! The ACLU opposes his right to push Christianity on to others via
government action quite often. And that is exactly why he hates the
ACLU.
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"Today is a fine day for reality . . ."
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
15 May 2004 02:33:57 AM |
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b0f33811d250615989743@news.west.cox.net...
In article <55374a6a.0405141942.555e6d16@posting.google.com>,
rlangerak@earthlink.net says...
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:<IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net>...
<snip>
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a
rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
The ACLU is dedicated to defending the rights guaranteed by the United
States Constitution. Can you give us an example of the ACLU
interfering with religious freedom?
Sure! The ACLU opposes his right to push Christianity on to others via
government action quite often. And that is exactly why he hates the
ACLU.
A rather strange silence has come over painful since we posted what the
ACLU has actually done rather than what he claims.
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| User: "Roger Andrews" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU and the Patriot act. |
14 May 2004 07:37:25 AM |
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"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message news:<IuXoc.97$8I3.79258@news.uswest.net>...
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:71Xoc.2414$hH.55148@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"+Church of The Painful Truth+" <Atheistsare@fools.com> wrote in message
news:qPWoc.77$ec6.71886@news.uswest.net...
ACLU Lousy leftist pigs that hate freedom.
I suppose that Rush Limbaugh is one of the lousy left?
Your stupidity is evident. They would even support you if the need arose.
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:BOWoc.54437$Ut1.1473463@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
NPR reported today that the ACLU has finally been able to publish
information about their lawsuit against the act.
Apparently it was *illegal* to give that information out.
So much for free speech.
Maybe 1984 should be renamed 2004.
Bullcrap,
They go after Christianity and religious freedom with the fervor of a rabid
dog.They are a bunch of communists like yourself.
You have just been proven wrong by this article on cnn's website.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/05/12/bible.verse.yearbook.ap/index.html
Roger
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