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19 Feb 2007 06:45:57 PM |
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ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class |
I think this teacher would make a good guide at Ken Ham's amusement
park. At any rate he shouldn't be teaching in a public school.
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ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class
(CBS/AP) NEWARK The American Civil Liberties union is backing a Kearny
High School student who objected when a teacher made religious
statements in the classroom, including allegedly telling students that
those who do not believe Jesus died for their sins belong in hell.
The student's lawyers filed a notice of claim on Feb. 13 against the
school district, claiming that instead of addressing the teacher's
conduct, it penalized the student for secretly taping the teacher.
"I believe it is important to stand up for our constitutional rights and
to make sure that these violations of the First Amendment, which
apparently have been going on for years, are stopped once and for all,"
junior Matthew LaClair said at a news conference Monday in Newark.
Starting in September, LaClair complained to the school administrators
about comments made by his history teacher, David Paszkiewicz. LaClair
said the teacher presented his own personal religious views and beliefs,
and denigrated differing viewpoints.
Among other things, the student claimed, the teacher told students
evolution is less fact-based than the Bible, there were dinosaurs on
Noah's Ark, the Big Bang theory of creation is unscientific, and that
the Bible has been proven to be literally true by the fulfillment of
Biblical prophecies.
School board president Bernadette McDonald said the district has
repeatedly worked with LaClair's family to address their c concerns.
"Our district fully supports and takes seriously its obligation to
ensure that the personal religious beliefs of our professional staff
stay out of the classroom," she said in a written statement. "The Kearny
school district has abided by, and will continue to abide by, both the
spirit and the letter of this Constitutional mandate."
She said the school took corrective action once the problem surfaced,
but did not specify what it was.
"We took his concerns very seriously," she said. "The result was that we
have received no further complaints about such religious proselytization
in our schools."
McDonald said the school plans mandatory training for staff on what is
and is not acceptable discussions about religion in the classroom. The
district plans to unveil a policy Tuesday night reaffirming its
commitment to the separation of church and state in the classroom.
A message left at Paszkiewicz's home was not immediately returned.
According to the ACLU, during a meeting with LaClair, the school
principal and the department head, the teacher denied making many of
these statements or suggested that in his view they were part of a
legitimate in-class discussion.
Knowing he might not be believed, Matthew had recorded the teachers
statements during class and provided those recordings to the principal.
After that, school officials ended the meeting and declined to further
discuss with LaClair or his parents what actions would be taken to
correct the problem, the ACLU said.
LaClair said he was subjected to harassment from other students, which
the school failed to halt. The school also switched out all the students
in Paszkiewicz's class, provoking hostility toward Matthew for having
caused a midyear change in teachers, his lawyers said.
McDonald said the district has hired Edwin H. Stier, a former director
of the New Jersey Division of Criminal Justice, to investigate the
student's claims of harassment.
"This episode was a test for Kearny school officials, one which they did
not pass," said Andrew Stengel, an official with the People For the
American Way Foundation, a liberal advocacy group. "For failing to
uphold religious freedom and tolerance, and for failing to support a
student who took a principled stand, we give the school board an F."
The notice of claim is a first step required before suing a public
agency in New Jersey.
Kearny, N.J., is located about 13 miles from Manhattan.
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http://wcbstv.com/education/local_story_050164441.html
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
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| Title: Re: ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class |
19 Feb 2007 08:00:25 PM |
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In article <jhachmann-00DEC2.16455719022007@news.giganews.com>, johac wrote:
I think this teacher would make a good guide at Ken Ham's amusement
park. At any rate he shouldn't be teaching in a public school.
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ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class
(CBS/AP) NEWARK The American Civil Liberties union is backing a Kearny
High School student who objected when a teacher made religious
statements in the classroom, including allegedly telling students that
those who do not believe Jesus died for their sins belong in hell.
The student's lawyers filed a notice of claim on Feb. 13 against the
school district, claiming that instead of addressing the teacher's
conduct, it penalized the student for secretly taping the teacher.
....
Knowing he might not be believed, Matthew had recorded the teachers
statements during class and provided those recordings to the principal.
After that, school officials ended the meeting and declined to further
discuss with LaClair or his parents what actions would be taken to
correct the problem, the ACLU said.
Apparently one of the few public actions the school has taken is to
ban tape recording of classes.
Emma
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19 Feb 2007 10:52:20 PM |
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In article <slrnetklho.amc.emma@munin.Stanford.EDU>,
Emma Pease <emma@kanpai.stanford.edu> wrote:
In article <jhachmann-00DEC2.16455719022007@news.giganews.com>, johac wrote:
I think this teacher would make a good guide at Ken Ham's amusement
park. At any rate he shouldn't be teaching in a public school.
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ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class
(CBS/AP) NEWARK The American Civil Liberties union is backing a Kearny
High School student who objected when a teacher made religious
statements in the classroom, including allegedly telling students that
those who do not believe Jesus died for their sins belong in hell.
The student's lawyers filed a notice of claim on Feb. 13 against the
school district, claiming that instead of addressing the teacher's
conduct, it penalized the student for secretly taping the teacher.
...
Knowing he might not be believed, Matthew had recorded the teachers
statements during class and provided those recordings to the principal.
After that, school officials ended the meeting and declined to further
discuss with LaClair or his parents what actions would be taken to
correct the problem, the ACLU said.
Apparently one of the few public actions the school has taken is to
ban tape recording of classes.
Emma
That's true. This has made the news before. I wonder how that was
received. Many students these days use tape recorders in lieu of
notebooks.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Mar 2007 06:57:53 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:00:25 +0000 (UTC), Emma Pease
<emma@kanpai.stanford.edu> wrote in alt.atheism
In article <jhachmann-00DEC2.16455719022007@news.giganews.com>, johac wrote:
I think this teacher would make a good guide at Ken Ham's amusement
park. At any rate he shouldn't be teaching in a public school.
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ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class
(CBS/AP) NEWARK The American Civil Liberties union is backing a Kearny
High School student who objected when a teacher made religious
statements in the classroom, including allegedly telling students that
those who do not believe Jesus died for their sins belong in hell.
The student's lawyers filed a notice of claim on Feb. 13 against the
school district, claiming that instead of addressing the teacher's
conduct, it penalized the student for secretly taping the teacher.
...
Knowing he might not be believed, Matthew had recorded the teachers
statements during class and provided those recordings to the principal.
After that, school officials ended the meeting and declined to further
discuss with LaClair or his parents what actions would be taken to
correct the problem, the ACLU said.
Apparently one of the few public actions the school has taken is to
ban tape recording of classes.
Emma
One can't have truth leak out. It's simply not done....
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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19 Feb 2007 08:19:02 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:00:25 +0000 (UTC), Emma Pease
<emma@kanpai.stanford.edu> wrote:
In article <jhachmann-00DEC2.16455719022007@news.giganews.com>, johac wrote:
I think this teacher would make a good guide at Ken Ham's amusement
park. At any rate he shouldn't be teaching in a public school.
---
ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class
(CBS/AP) NEWARK The American Civil Liberties union is backing a Kearny
High School student who objected when a teacher made religious
statements in the classroom, including allegedly telling students that
those who do not believe Jesus died for their sins belong in hell.
The student's lawyers filed a notice of claim on Feb. 13 against the
school district, claiming that instead of addressing the teacher's
conduct, it penalized the student for secretly taping the teacher.
...
Knowing he might not be believed, Matthew had recorded the teachers
statements during class and provided those recordings to the principal.
After that, school officials ended the meeting and declined to further
discuss with LaClair or his parents what actions would be taken to
correct the problem, the ACLU said.
Apparently one of the few public actions the school has taken is to
ban tape recording of classes.
The teacher is just plain dishonest - he said, "well, you got the
Christian" after he had been caught lying that he hadn't done it, when
the CDs were played back to him in the Principal's office.
As though he had been set up - when even if he had been there
shouldn't even have been anything to set up. He set himself up.
I got this from the horse's mouth when the kid and his father were at
a NYC atheists meeting.
What is scary is that this isn't even in the boondocks but the New
York metropolitan area.
Emma
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| User: "Emma Pease" |
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19 Feb 2007 09:08:15 PM |
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In article <k6mkt2dr9jaq5uq5kftbtiilsa8jtt2i03@4ax.com>, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:00:25 +0000 (UTC), Emma Pease
<emma@kanpai.stanford.edu> wrote:
In article <jhachmann-00DEC2.16455719022007@news.giganews.com>, johac wrote:
I think this teacher would make a good guide at Ken Ham's amusement
park. At any rate he shouldn't be teaching in a public school.
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ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class
(CBS/AP) NEWARK The American Civil Liberties union is backing a Kearny
High School student who objected when a teacher made religious
statements in the classroom, including allegedly telling students that
those who do not believe Jesus died for their sins belong in hell.
The student's lawyers filed a notice of claim on Feb. 13 against the
school district, claiming that instead of addressing the teacher's
conduct, it penalized the student for secretly taping the teacher.
...
Knowing he might not be believed, Matthew had recorded the teachers
statements during class and provided those recordings to the principal.
After that, school officials ended the meeting and declined to further
discuss with LaClair or his parents what actions would be taken to
correct the problem, the ACLU said.
Apparently one of the few public actions the school has taken is to
ban tape recording of classes.
The teacher is just plain dishonest - he said, "well, you got the
Christian" after he had been caught lying that he hadn't done it, when
the CDs were played back to him in the Principal's office.
As though he had been set up - when even if he had been there
shouldn't even have been anything to set up. He set himself up.
I got this from the horse's mouth when the kid and his father were at
a NYC atheists meeting.
What is scary is that this isn't even in the boondocks but the New
York metropolitan area.
I know, Kearny isn't too far from where I went to school though I
can't imagine my High School having a teacher like this (admittedly at
least 10% of my school's population was Jewish which would stop any
outspoken Christian proselytizers lasting long).
Admittedly most in the town did assume one had to be religious of some
sort. When we moved away the town council passed a resolution
thanking my mother for her service to the community and listed her
support of the local UU church (my mother was not a member so I guess
knowing she wasn't actively Jewish, Catholic, or attending any other
local church they chose the catchall church).
Emma
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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20 Feb 2007 10:56:41 AM |
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johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in news:jhachmann-
00DEC2.16455719022007@news.giganews.com:
Among other things, the student claimed, the teacher told students
evolution is less fact-based than the Bible, there were dinosaurs on
Noah's Ark, the Big Bang theory of creation is unscientific, and that
the Bible has been proven to be literally true by the fulfillment of
Biblical prophecies.
In other words, religion causes school teachers to lie to students.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Convicted by Earthquack
Plonked by Fester
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| User: "johac" |
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20 Feb 2007 04:49:17 PM |
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In article <Xns98DD5AFC566E3vicman@216.196.97.142>,
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in news:jhachmann-
00DEC2.16455719022007@news.giganews.com:
Among other things, the student claimed, the teacher told students
evolution is less fact-based than the Bible, there were dinosaurs on
Noah's Ark, the Big Bang theory of creation is unscientific, and that
the Bible has been proven to be literally true by the fulfillment of
Biblical prophecies.
In other words, religion causes school teachers to lie to students.
Yes. They all seem to forget that "bear false witness" thingie.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class |
02 Mar 2007 07:00:08 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:49:17 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <Xns98DD5AFC566E3vicman@216.196.97.142>,
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in news:jhachmann-
00DEC2.16455719022007@news.giganews.com:
Among other things, the student claimed, the teacher told students
evolution is less fact-based than the Bible, there were dinosaurs on
Noah's Ark, the Big Bang theory of creation is unscientific, and that
the Bible has been proven to be literally true by the fulfillment of
Biblical prophecies.
In other words, religion causes school teachers to lie to students.
Yes. They all seem to forget that "bear false witness" thingie.
Nah. It's not dissing the holy spook so they're covered.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class |
03 Mar 2007 12:10:35 AM |
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In article <r3ihu2th0ip6feeil5ik1v1t8fo9djqgn2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:49:17 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <Xns98DD5AFC566E3vicman@216.196.97.142>,
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in news:jhachmann-
00DEC2.16455719022007@news.giganews.com:
Among other things, the student claimed, the teacher told students
evolution is less fact-based than the Bible, there were dinosaurs on
Noah's Ark, the Big Bang theory of creation is unscientific, and that
the Bible has been proven to be literally true by the fulfillment of
Biblical prophecies.
In other words, religion causes school teachers to lie to students.
Yes. They all seem to forget that "bear false witness" thingie.
Nah. It's not dissing the holy spook so they're covered.
I see. Speak not ill of Old Spooky.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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07 Mar 2007 11:25:51 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 22:10:35 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <r3ihu2th0ip6feeil5ik1v1t8fo9djqgn2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:49:17 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <Xns98DD5AFC566E3vicman@216.196.97.142>,
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in news:jhachmann-
00DEC2.16455719022007@news.giganews.com:
Among other things, the student claimed, the teacher told students
evolution is less fact-based than the Bible, there were dinosaurs on
Noah's Ark, the Big Bang theory of creation is unscientific, and that
the Bible has been proven to be literally true by the fulfillment of
Biblical prophecies.
In other words, religion causes school teachers to lie to students.
Yes. They all seem to forget that "bear false witness" thingie.
Nah. It's not dissing the holy spook so they're covered.
I see. Speak not ill of Old Spooky.
Ill knot?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "johac" |
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07 Mar 2007 06:24:07 PM |
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In article <fcttu2tpdjpsoa54gl5g3f080gg6nmhkej@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 22:10:35 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <r3ihu2th0ip6feeil5ik1v1t8fo9djqgn2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:49:17 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <Xns98DD5AFC566E3vicman@216.196.97.142>,
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in news:jhachmann-
00DEC2.16455719022007@news.giganews.com:
Among other things, the student claimed, the teacher told students
evolution is less fact-based than the Bible, there were dinosaurs on
Noah's Ark, the Big Bang theory of creation is unscientific, and that
the Bible has been proven to be literally true by the fulfillment of
Biblical prophecies.
In other words, religion causes school teachers to lie to students.
Yes. They all seem to forget that "bear false witness" thingie.
Nah. It's not dissing the holy spook so they're covered.
I see. Speak not ill of Old Spooky.
Ill knot?
Square not.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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12 Mar 2007 09:01:13 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:24:07 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <fcttu2tpdjpsoa54gl5g3f080gg6nmhkej@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 22:10:35 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <r3ihu2th0ip6feeil5ik1v1t8fo9djqgn2@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:49:17 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <Xns98DD5AFC566E3vicman@216.196.97.142>,
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in news:jhachmann-
00DEC2.16455719022007@news.giganews.com:
Among other things, the student claimed, the teacher told students
evolution is less fact-based than the Bible, there were dinosaurs on
Noah's Ark, the Big Bang theory of creation is unscientific, and that
the Bible has been proven to be literally true by the fulfillment of
Biblical prophecies.
In other words, religion causes school teachers to lie to students.
Yes. They all seem to forget that "bear false witness" thingie.
Nah. It's not dissing the holy spook so they're covered.
I see. Speak not ill of Old Spooky.
Ill knot?
Square not.
Granny!
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Mar 2007 06:59:30 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:56:41 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in news:jhachmann-
00DEC2.16455719022007@news.giganews.com:
Among other things, the student claimed, the teacher told students
evolution is less fact-based than the Bible, there were dinosaurs on
Noah's Ark, the Big Bang theory of creation is unscientific, and that
the Bible has been proven to be literally true by the fulfillment of
Biblical prophecies.
In other words, religion causes school teachers to lie to students.
And school administrators to lie to try and cover their teachers.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Carl Wilson" |
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20 Feb 2007 05:24:29 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:56:41 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote the following in alt.atheism:
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in news:jhachmann-
00DEC2.16455719022007@news.giganews.com:
Among other things, the student claimed, the teacher told students
evolution is less fact-based than the Bible, there were dinosaurs on
Noah's Ark, the Big Bang theory of creation is unscientific, and that
the Bible has been proven to be literally true by the fulfillment of
Biblical prophecies.
In other words, religion causes school teachers to lie to students.
That seems to sum it up nicely.
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21 Feb 2007 06:32:19 PM |
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"Carl Wilson" <carl_w@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:ro0nt2tj03pvmfcjserlpbk0a655tgfvbh@4ax.com...
In other words, religion causes school teachers to lie to students.
That seems to sum it up nicely.
Or causes kids to argue with their biology teacher from a position of
absolute bull-headed ignorance. Or sheer dumb-*****-ititude, like the kid
today who claimed to have seen Pluto with a telescope her mother bought from
KMart.
I wish I had a dollar for everytime a kid said, in class, "the Bible
says...." I'd retire.
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http://www.myspace.com/therightreverendjones
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Mar 2007 07:01:08 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:32:19 GMT, "Rev. Jones Says \"Drink More
Koolaid\"" <lawtoniww@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"Carl Wilson" <carl_w@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:ro0nt2tj03pvmfcjserlpbk0a655tgfvbh@4ax.com...
In other words, religion causes school teachers to lie to students.
That seems to sum it up nicely.
Or causes kids to argue with their biology teacher from a position of
absolute bull-headed ignorance. Or sheer dumb-*****-ititude, like the kid
today who claimed to have seen Pluto with a telescope her mother bought from
KMart.
I wish I had a dollar for everytime a kid said, in class, "the Bible
says...." I'd retire.
Did you inform the student the Bible has no legal or scientific
standing?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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21 Feb 2007 06:44:00 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:32:19 GMT, "Rev. Jones Says \"Drink More
Koolaid\"" <lawtoniww@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Carl Wilson" <carl_w@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:ro0nt2tj03pvmfcjserlpbk0a655tgfvbh@4ax.com...
In other words, religion causes school teachers to lie to students.
That seems to sum it up nicely.
Or causes kids to argue with their biology teacher from a position of
absolute bull-headed ignorance. Or sheer dumb-*****-ititude, like the kid
today who claimed to have seen Pluto with a telescope her mother bought from
KMart.
Don't be so deliberately stupid. The teacher lied about evolution,
prosetylised and told an atheist kid he was going to hell.
This latter isn't just stupid but an insult as well because the
***** knows that the kid doesn't share his beliefs, and hasn't the
respect to take this into account.
I wish I had a dollar for everytime a kid said, in class, "the Bible
says...." I'd retire.
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| User: "Rev. Jones Says \Drink More Koolaid" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class |
22 Feb 2007 07:15:16 PM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:jippt2pieqtsnlivhi5a5roima05mjvh3g@4ax.com...
Don't be so deliberately stupid. The teacher lied about evolution,
prosetylised and told an atheist kid he was going to hell.
Umm, I think you misread what I was saying. I should have been more clear
and specified that *I* am the biology teacher I am referring to, and the
kids who argue with me are the kids who argue that evolution is false
although they know absolutely nothing about it. They can't even give a
passable definition of allele let alone natural selection.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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22 Feb 2007 07:21:53 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:15:16 GMT, "Rev. Jones Says \"Drink More
Koolaid\"" <lawtoniww@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:jippt2pieqtsnlivhi5a5roima05mjvh3g@4ax.com...
Don't be so deliberately stupid. The teacher lied about evolution,
prosetylised and told an atheist kid he was going to hell.
Umm, I think you misread what I was saying. I should have been more clear
and specified that *I* am the biology teacher I am referring to, and the
kids who argue with me are the kids who argue that evolution is false
although they know absolutely nothing about it. They can't even give a
passable definition of allele let alone natural selection.
OK, my mistake.
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| User: "Rev. Jones Says \Drink More Koolaid" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class |
22 Feb 2007 07:27:28 PM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:pcgst2d75cdlsvck711t41f87vbdu20sgi@4ax.com...
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:15:16 GMT, "Rev. Jones Says \"Drink More
Koolaid\"" <lawtoniww@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:jippt2pieqtsnlivhi5a5roima05mjvh3g@4ax.com...
Don't be so deliberately stupid. The teacher lied about evolution,
prosetylised and told an atheist kid he was going to hell.
Umm, I think you misread what I was saying. I should have been more clear
and specified that *I* am the biology teacher I am referring to, and the
kids who argue with me are the kids who argue that evolution is false
although they know absolutely nothing about it. They can't even give a
passable definition of allele let alone natural selection.
OK, my mistake.
I see how you could have taken that way. No offense taken
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http://www.myspace.com/therightreverendjones
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class |
22 Feb 2007 08:07:13 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:27:28 GMT, "Rev. Jones Says \"Drink More
Koolaid\"" <lawtoniww@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:pcgst2d75cdlsvck711t41f87vbdu20sgi@4ax.com...
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:15:16 GMT, "Rev. Jones Says \"Drink More
Koolaid\"" <lawtoniww@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:jippt2pieqtsnlivhi5a5roima05mjvh3g@4ax.com...
Don't be so deliberately stupid. The teacher lied about evolution,
prosetylised and told an atheist kid he was going to hell.
Umm, I think you misread what I was saying. I should have been more clear
and specified that *I* am the biology teacher I am referring to, and the
kids who argue with me are the kids who argue that evolution is false
although they know absolutely nothing about it. They can't even give a
passable definition of allele let alone natural selection.
OK, my mistake.
I see how you could have taken that way. No offense taken
Thanks
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| User: "Emma Pease" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class |
21 Feb 2007 08:01:58 PM |
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In article <jippt2pieqtsnlivhi5a5roima05mjvh3g@4ax.com>, Christopher
A.Lee wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:32:19 GMT, "Rev. Jones Says \"Drink More
Koolaid\"" <lawtoniww@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Carl Wilson" <carl_w@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:ro0nt2tj03pvmfcjserlpbk0a655tgfvbh@4ax.com...
In other words, religion causes school teachers to lie to students.
That seems to sum it up nicely.
Or causes kids to argue with their biology teacher from a position of
absolute bull-headed ignorance. Or sheer dumb-*****-ititude, like the kid
today who claimed to have seen Pluto with a telescope her mother bought from
KMart.
Don't be so deliberately stupid. The teacher lied about evolution,
prosetylised and told an atheist kid he was going to hell.
He also lied about what he said until confronted with the recording.
One could excuse (somewhat) giving falsehoods about evolution on the
grounds that he actually believed it and he wasn't a biology teacher.
Lying about what one has actually said goes beyond incompetence to
deceptiveness.
http://www.dranger.com/classtranscript.html
apparently has a transcript of one of the classes
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| User: "Rev. Jones Says \Drink More Koolaid" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class |
22 Feb 2007 07:26:16 PM |
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"Emma Pease" <emma@kanpai.stanford.edu> wrote in message
news:slrnetpucl.gfn.emma@munin.Stanford.EDU...
http://www.dranger.com/classtranscript.html
apparently has a transcript of one of the classes
There are so many things wrong with what this teacher says in this
transcript that I don't know where to begin. Not only is he often just
plain wrong about basic science and scientific method, he also likes to move
goalposts and blur distinctions and definitions. Bleh.
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http://www.myspace.com/therightreverendjones
http://www.myspace.com/dayofthesick
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| User: "Emma Pease" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class |
22 Feb 2007 09:01:34 PM |
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In article <YorDh.361$BE2.63@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>, Rev. Jones Says "Drink More Koolaid" wrote:
"Emma Pease" <emma@kanpai.stanford.edu> wrote in message
news:slrnetpucl.gfn.emma@munin.Stanford.EDU...
http://www.dranger.com/classtranscript.html
apparently has a transcript of one of the classes
There are so many things wrong with what this teacher says in this
transcript that I don't know where to begin. Not only is he often just
plain wrong about basic science and scientific method, he also likes to move
goalposts and blur distinctions and definitions. Bleh.
Teacher: No, it's not about teaching - my point is it's not about
teaching religion - and you know, these issues will come up when we
get to the 1920s, and things begin to get legislated, and we'll talk
about it in class. But the public schools shouldn't teach a religion -
but the scriptures aren't religion.
LaClair: They're not...?
Teacher: The scriptures are at the foundation of the world's
religions. The world's main religions, anyway. Religion is a set way
of doing things. For example if you take Christian faiths, right, you
have many varieties; there's Roman Catholicism, the Methodists, the
[...?], the Baptists, who differ on church government, things like
that but [..LaClair moving about...?] book - the Bible. We should be
able to bring that into the classroom, read it, and shouldn't be
threatened by anybody.
Shall we go into historical facts (and as a history teacher this is an
area he should be most careful to get right) he gets wrong such as:
Do you know what the Egyptian conception of the universe was? "The
Earth was the back of a giant tortoise shell supported by four
elephants."
Or as an example of a fulfilled prophecy (T must be Tyre)
Ezekiel said
that they would come, that they would be conquered, that T- would be
raized - that every stone would be overturned, and cast into the sea,
and the men of the sea would be slaughtered, and it would be known as
a place were fishermen mend their nets (??). You can look it up in the
older Encyclopedia Brittanica, look up T-, and it will say that it's a
place where fishermen mend their nets. Not the newest one, but the
older one, the ones they had the old [???]. Alexander the Great comes
down the scene of history. He's not a military guy, he's a soldier. He
gets to T-, he wants to conquer the city, and he is so frustrated that
the city has escaped. And he's [??] that, he has his men take every
stone of the city and throw it into the sea to build a causeline from
the mainland to Little T- and slaughters the men of the city.
Unfortunately Ezekiel specifically said Nebuchadrez'zar would destroy
Tyre not Alexander.
[7] "For thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I will bring upon Tyre from
the north Nebuchadrez'zar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses
and chariots, and with horsemen and a host of many soldiers.
....
[11] With the hoofs of his horses he will trample all your streets; he
will slay your people with the sword; and your mighty pillars will
fall to the ground.
Nebuchadrez'zar never took it as Ezekiel admits in a later chapter.
Emma
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU Backs Student Offended By Religion In Class |
02 Mar 2007 07:03:20 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:44:00 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:32:19 GMT, "Rev. Jones Says \"Drink More
Koolaid\"" <lawtoniww@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Carl Wilson" <carl_w@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:ro0nt2tj03pvmfcjserlpbk0a655tgfvbh@4ax.com...
In other words, religion causes school teachers to lie to students.
That seems to sum it up nicely.
Or causes kids to argue with their biology teacher from a position of
absolute bull-headed ignorance. Or sheer dumb-*****-ititude, like the kid
today who claimed to have seen Pluto with a telescope her mother bought from
KMart.
Don't be so deliberately stupid. The teacher lied about evolution,
prosetylised and told an atheist kid he was going to hell.
Chris, the other poster wasn't arguing with you. He was listing
additional problems.
This latter isn't just stupid but an insult as well because the
***** knows that the kid doesn't share his beliefs, and hasn't the
respect to take this into account.
I wish I had a dollar for everytime a kid said, in class, "the Bible
says...." I'd retire.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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