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"Carol Lee Smith" |
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14 Feb 2004 03:14:08 PM |
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ACLU defends everyone's civil rights |
The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
Even the civil rights of one its most virulent critics.
http://snipurl.com/4i7m
I wonder if this will change Limbaugh's tune when he has occasion to speak
of the ACLU.
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14 Feb 2004 07:36:47 PM |
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"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1040214151219.20285U-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
Even the civil rights of one its most virulent critics.
http://snipurl.com/4i7m
I wonder if this will change Limbaugh's tune when he has occasion to speak
of the ACLU.
The ACLU does many good things but it is a hypocrite. It picks and chooses
it pet rights and has no interest in litigating due process violations
against people put out of work by official licensing shams. ACLU is a one-
or two-trick pony. I will no longer pay dues to it.
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| User: "Yang" |
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15 Feb 2004 05:38:34 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:36:47 -0500, " jls" <jls1016ns@bellsouth.net>
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"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1040214151219.20285U-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
Even the civil rights of one its most virulent critics.
http://snipurl.com/4i7m
I wonder if this will change Limbaugh's tune when he has occasion to speak
of the ACLU.
The ACLU does many good things but it is a hypocrite. It picks and chooses
it pet rights and has no interest in litigating due process violations
against people put out of work by official licensing shams. ACLU is a one-
or two-trick pony. I will no longer pay dues to it.
All organizations have to pick and choose. But I hope you find an
organization that is more in tune with what you are most concerned
about.
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Yang
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU defends everyone's civil rights |
17 Feb 2004 08:41:30 AM |
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jls wrote:
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1040214151219.20285U-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
Even the civil rights of one its most virulent critics.
http://snipurl.com/4i7m
I wonder if this will change Limbaugh's tune when he has occasion to speak
of the ACLU.
The ACLU does many good things but it is a hypocrite. It picks and chooses
it pet rights and has no interest in litigating due process violations
against people put out of work by official licensing shams. ACLU is a one-
or two-trick pony. I will no longer pay dues to it.
The ACLU has a relatively narrow focus, mainly because that one focus takes up
all of its time and then some.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "dpr why" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU defends everyone's civil rights |
14 Feb 2004 08:02:13 PM |
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"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
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The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
*****.
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| User: " jls" |
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14 Feb 2004 08:01:08 PM |
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"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:102tk62iloqqmf8@corp.supernews.com...
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1040214151219.20285U-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
*****.
Aah, well, Dana, if you were caught and charged for eating unpacked fudge
they'd probably pull out all the stops and defend you.
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| User: "Roger" |
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15 Feb 2004 02:38:23 AM |
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"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:102tk62iloqqmf8@corp.supernews.com...
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1040214151219.20285U-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
*****.
Such un-Christian like language.
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| User: "jwk" |
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03 Mar 2004 11:03:07 PM |
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3eGXb.12890$YC7.11998@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...
"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:102tk62iloqqmf8@corp.supernews.com...
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1040214151219.20285U-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
*****.
Such un-Christian like language.
No it isn't. They only object to such language when it is directed at
them. If it's directed at others, it's alright.
jwk
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| User: "Roger" |
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03 Mar 2004 11:27:52 PM |
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"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:102tk62iloqqmf8@corp.supernews.com...
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
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The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
*****.
Such un-Christian like language.
No it isn't. They only object to such language when it is directed at
them. If it's directed at others, it's alright.
Sorry. I should have "un-real Christian like language."
Before you ask the scope of the "un-", it's both.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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16 Feb 2004 12:03:46 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 08:38:23 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> said
in alt.atheism:
"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:102tk62iloqqmf8@corp.supernews.com...
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1040214151219.20285U-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
*****.
Such un-Christian like language.
It's very Christian-like; it's very unchristian. And no one ever
accused Dana of being (small-c) christian.
--
"The United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion"
- Treaty of Tripoli, 1797, ratified by Congress
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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16 Feb 2004 01:04:04 AM |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Al Klein wrote:
It's very Christian-like; it's very unchristian. And no one ever
accused Dana of being (small-c) christian.
http://snipurl.com/4iwt
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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16 Feb 2004 09:35:49 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:04:04 -0600, Carol Lee Smith
<human@csd.uwm.edu> said in alt.atheism:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Al Klein wrote:
It's very Christian-like; it's very unchristian. And no one ever
accused Dana of being (small-c) christian.
http://snipurl.com/4iwt
Trying to show how well-educated Dana is?
"But anyway there is quit a few places near the university that rents
out rooms for him to find."
And that's about the closed Dana ever got to a university.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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| User: "Dana 1" |
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16 Feb 2004 10:15:46 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:04:04 -0600, Carol Lee Smith
<human@csd.uwm.edu> said in alt.atheism:
Poor al, still upset that all he knows how to do is download ring tones into
cell phones at some retail shop.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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16 Feb 2004 11:33:02 PM |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 04:15:46 GMT, "Dana" <1> said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:ju23305348ipertbi9082f72uma085f4te@4ax.com...
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:04:04 -0600, Carol Lee Smith
<human@csd.uwm.edu> said in alt.atheism:
Poor al, still upset that all he knows how to do is download ring tones into
cell phones at some retail shop.
www.ezframe.com
Grovel accepted, Dana.
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"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU defends everyone's civil rights |
16 Feb 2004 11:32:21 PM |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, it was written by plagiarizing, war-mongering,
violence-threatening liar Dana Raffaniello:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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Dana snipped everything that Al wrote.
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:04:04 -0600, Carol Lee Smith
<human@csd.uwm.edu> said in alt.atheism:
And nothing in this post referenced by Dana Raffaniello was written by me.
But Dana tells us:
Poor al, still upset that all he knows how to do is download ring tones into
cell phones at some retail shop.
This is what Al did contribute:
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:04:04 -0600, Carol Lee Smith
<human@csd.uwm.edu> said in alt.atheism:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Al Klein wrote:
It's very Christian-like; it's very unchristian. And no one ever
accused Dana of being (small-c) christian.
http://snipurl.com/4iwt
Trying to show how well-educated Dana is?
"But anyway there is quit a few places near the university that rents
out rooms for him to find."
And that's about the closed Dana ever got to a university.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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17 Feb 2004 08:48:16 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:32:21 -0600, Carol Lee Smith
<human@csd.uwm.edu> said in alt.atheism:
"But anyway there is quit a few places near the university that rents
out rooms for him to find."
And that's about the closed Dana ever got to a university.
"Was that my typo, Carol, or yours?", he asked abashedly.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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17 Feb 2004 08:59:26 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:32:21 -0600, Carol Lee Smith
<human@csd.uwm.edu> said in alt.atheism:
"But anyway there is quit a few places near the university that rents
out rooms for him to find."
And that's about the closed Dana ever got to a university.
"Was that my typo, Carol, or yours?", he asked abashedly.
Hang your head, hon. [I forgive you]
I have probably told you this before, but Emmett is a hero of mine.
Dead heat in WI between Edwards and Kerry--at this hour.
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war30.html
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"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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16 Feb 2004 12:49:18 AM |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 08:38:23 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> said
in alt.atheism:
The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
Dana Raffaniello: > >> *****.
Such un-Christian like language.
It's very Christian-like; it's very unchristian. And no one ever
accused Dana of being (small-c) christian.
Definitely not.
Only of being a plagiarizer, a liar, a war-monger and a threatener of
violence to secular humanists.
That's bad enough.
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15 Feb 2004 03:20:43 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Roger wrote:
"dpr" <why> wrote in message news:102tk62iloqqmf8@corp.supernews.com...
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1040214151219.20285U-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
*****.
Such un-Christian like language.
At least Dana Raffaniello has probably written it himself and not
plagiarized as is his wont.
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| User: "TCS" |
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15 Feb 2004 01:30:36 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:02:13 -0900, dpr <> wrote:
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1040214151219.20285U-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
*****.
Is somebody supposed to be impressed with your argument? If you can't come
up with a single example to support your assertion then your assertion
means nothing.
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28 Feb 2004 09:08:56 AM |
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Carol Lee Smith wrote:
The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
Even the civil rights of one its most virulent critics.
http://snipurl.com/4i7m
I wonder if this will change Limbaugh's tune when he has occasion to speak
of the ACLU.
The ACLU counts from 1 to 10 as follows:
1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10.
It ignores the 2nd amendment.
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| User: " jls" |
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28 Feb 2004 12:45:03 PM |
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<monkeemoron@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1041bob5rsprede@corp.supernews.com...
Carol Lee Smith wrote:
The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
Even the civil rights of one its most virulent critics.
http://snipurl.com/4i7m
I wonder if this will change Limbaugh's tune when he has occasion to
speak
of the ACLU.
The ACLU counts from 1 to 10 as follows:
1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10.
It ignores the 2nd amendment.
Oh, heck, you've left out a whole laundry list of rights ASSCLU (American
Specially Selected Civil Liberties Union) evades. I can't see it doing much
to litigate the rights of gun nuts (they have so many already), but I do see
that it studiously, shamefully turns its back and thumbs its nose on a whole
long list of human rights, including many of those protected by the 14th
Amendment guarantee of equal protection, and due process of law. Can we
say "Hypocrisy"?
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| User: "S.A.Joyce" |
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03 Mar 2004 06:17:13 AM |
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" jls" <jls1016ns@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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<monkeemoron@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1041bob5rsprede@corp.supernews.com...
Carol Lee Smith wrote:
The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
Even the civil rights of one its most virulent critics.
http://snipurl.com/4i7m
I wonder if this will change Limbaugh's tune when he has occasion
to
speak
of the ACLU.
The ACLU counts from 1 to 10 as follows:
1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10.
It ignores the 2nd amendment.
Oh, heck, you've left out a whole laundry list of rights ASSCLU
(American
Specially Selected Civil Liberties Union) evades. I can't see it
doing much
to litigate the rights of gun nuts (they have so many already), but I
do see
that it studiously, shamefully turns its back and thumbs its nose on a
whole
long list of human rights, including many of those protected by the
14th
Amendment guarantee of equal protection, and due process of law. Can
we
say "Hypocrisy"?
We might say "overload of available resources" and "assessment of
priorities." You can do only so much with what you have, so you try to
use it where it will do the most good. In the ACLU's case, this often
means simply challenging undesirable precedents, which tend to affect a
lot of people besides the litigants. Not very glamorous, maybe, but
unfortunately necessary, given so many government officials (and their
supporters) who are apparently unable to distinguish between liberty and
tyranny.
As for Amendment II, I'm not aware of any able bodied and mentally
stable adult citizen's being denied the right to join the well regulated
militia to defend the security of the state. Granted, state militias
(as described in US Constitution Article II, Section II) were disbanded
many years ago. Though "necessary" in principle, they were unworkable
in practice, since the states had little enthusiasm to fund and regulate
them. Even so, the principle is upheld, state militias having been
replaced by the National Guard, which those eager to defend the security
of the state are free to join. The N.G. even offers the advantage that
enlistees are no longer required to furnish their own arms, which can be
well out of most people's financial reach now that we've graduated from
muskets to stealth fighters. So if anyone is eager to exercise his or
her 2nd Amendment right, just pop into the nearest recruiter's office.
If you meet the requirements and pass the exams and background checks,
but they still won't let you join, then maybe you have something to talk
to the ACLU about.
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03 Mar 2004 08:22:17 AM |
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Granted, state militias
(as described in US Constitution Article II, Section II) were disbanded
many years ago.
Not true. My state (New York) still has a wholly state controlled militia,
completely separate from the federally funded Air and Army National Guard.
http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/nyg/nyg.html
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "S.A.Joyce" |
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03 Mar 2004 06:01:31 PM |
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"Lord Calvert" <forlornh@aol.complex> wrote in message
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Granted, state militias
(as described in US Constitution Article II, Section II) were
disbanded
many years ago.
Not true. My state (New York) still has a wholly state controlled
militia,
completely separate from the federally funded Air and Army National
Guard.
http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/nyg/nyg.html
Thanks for your correction. Although I understand that there are some
states that call their state police a "Militia," I wasn't aware that any
of the old state-regulated paramilitary volunteer groups had survived as
such.
Still, the statement remains technically true, as (most) state militias
were indeed disbanded, despite at least one exception (NY), and perhaps
others. (If I had said *all* state militias were disbanded, that would
have been not true. Not that I object to your informative and
constructive criticism.)
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| User: "Roger" |
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28 Feb 2004 04:39:03 PM |
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<monkeemoron@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1041bob5rsprede@corp.supernews.com...
Carol Lee Smith wrote:
The ACLU defends everyone's civil rights.
Even the civil rights of one its most virulent critics.
http://snipurl.com/4i7m
I wonder if this will change Limbaugh's tune when he has occasion to
speak
of the ACLU.
The ACLU counts from 1 to 10 as follows:
1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10.
It ignores the 2nd amendment.
There's no need to defend an amendment that's being properly enforced.
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20 Feb 2004 04:36:29 PM |
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Here we go again:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/20/findlaw.analysis.dean.wmd/index.html
Such an inquiry would doubtless focus on a set of questions that
is bound to make Bush very uncomfortable: the central issue of
whether Bush and Vice President ***** Cheney accurately represented
the pre-Iraq war intelligence (or lack thereof) when claiming that
Saddam had WMD and that Iraqi had ties with al Qaeda.
Bush's magic appears to have worked again. His commission is a sham,
and simply ignores the very reason he was pressured to create it.
Yet it seems no one is complaining -- or at least, no one who could
force the commencement of an legitimate investigation.
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