Religions > Atheism > ACLU lawsuit backs men held at border after Islamic conference
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"J Young" |
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17 Dec 2005 05:58:31 PM |
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ACLU lawsuit backs men held at border after Islamic conference |
The U.S. did not begin this war with the muslim world, it was thrust upon
America on 9/11. If the federal goverment says that these people might be
potential threats to our security, that should be a good enough reason for
the Department of Homeland Security to perform it's duty. The ACLU has once
again placed it's sympathies firmly with America's enemies; both foreign and
domestic.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47944
Muslims claim detention was due to faith
The New York Civil Liberties Union is in court to stop the Department of
Homeland Security from detaining interrogating, fingerprinting and
photographing American citizens at the border because they attended an
Islamic conference.
The NYCLU and the American Civil Liberties Union brought the case to Judge
William W. Skretny in Buffalo, N.Y., on behalf of five Muslim American
citizens who attended the Reviving the Islamic Spirit conference in Toronto
in December 2004.
Federal officials argue such conferences have been used to provide cover for
pro-terrorist operatives.
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| User: "Frank Arthur" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU lawsuit backs men held at border after Islamic conference |
17 Dec 2005 06:09:23 PM |
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American Civil Liberties as provided for in the Bill of Rights and you are
opposed to it.
You also are opposed to Christmas cards from Planned Parenthood's saying
"Choice on Earth". ou prefer "No choice on earth".
That is why you support a Christian Taliban to enforce a religious police
and do away with the Bill of Rights!
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:-MCdnbRzvsa9OzneRVn-uw@giganews.com...
The U.S. did not begin this war with the muslim world, it was thrust upon
America on 9/11. If the federal goverment says that these people might be
potential threats to our security, that should be a good enough reason for
the Department of Homeland Security to perform it's duty. The ACLU has
once
again placed it's sympathies firmly with America's enemies; both foreign
and
domestic.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47944
Muslims claim detention was due to faith
The New York Civil Liberties Union is in court to stop the Department of
Homeland Security from detaining interrogating, fingerprinting and
photographing American citizens at the border because they attended an
Islamic conference.
The NYCLU and the American Civil Liberties Union brought the case to Judge
William W. Skretny in Buffalo, N.Y., on behalf of five Muslim American
citizens who attended the Reviving the Islamic Spirit conference in
Toronto
in December 2004.
Federal officials argue such conferences have been used to provide cover
for
pro-terrorist operatives.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU lawsuit backs men held at border after Islamic conference |
17 Dec 2005 11:19:43 PM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The U.S. did not begin this war with the muslim world,
Yes it did.
it was thrust upon
America on 9/11.
Never mind that the US has been supporting oppressive dictatorships in
the mideast for decades and that hundreds of thousands of people have
died as a result.
The Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein, The Saudis, Israel, and the list
goes on. Musharraf of Pakistan has been supported by Bush even though
he took over in a military coup. Egypt hasn't had free and fair
elections for ages and yet still gets billions a year from the US in
aid.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU lawsuit backs men held at border after Islamic conference |
17 Dec 2005 08:23:25 PM |
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J Young wrote:
The U.S. did not begin this war with the muslim world, it was thrust upon
America on 9/11. If the federal goverment says that these people might be
potential threats to our security, that should be a good enough reason for
the Department of Homeland Security to perform it's duty. The ACLU has once
again placed it's sympathies firmly with America's enemies; both foreign and
domestic.
Sounds more like the ACLU is fighting America's enemies, by defending
people's rights as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights from those like you
that prefer tyranny and the destruction of the best that our country
can offer.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47944
Muslims claim detention was due to faith
The New York Civil Liberties Union is in court to stop the Department of
Homeland Security from detaining interrogating, fingerprinting and
photographing American citizens at the border because they attended an
Islamic conference.
Sounds like an illegal stopping of American citizens. They have every
right to be angry, and to sue the government.
The NYCLU and the American Civil Liberties Union brought the case to Judge
William W. Skretny in Buffalo, N.Y., on behalf of five Muslim American
citizens who attended the Reviving the Islamic Spirit conference in Toronto
in December 2004.
Federal officials argue such conferences have been used to provide cover for
pro-terrorist operatives.
Then the federal officials make the claim, then they have to prove it
in court, as well as prove that that particular conference was one that
was providing such cover. As it stands, it sounds like the government
was interfering with their freedom of religion and freedom of
association.
We must fight such atrocities while they are still small, or they may
soon grow too large and pervasive to fight at all.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU lawsuit backs men held at border after Islamic conference |
17 Dec 2005 10:12:01 PM |
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"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1134872605.226812.70340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sounds more like the ACLU is fighting America's enemies, by defending
people's rights as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights from those like you
that prefer tyranny and the destruction of the best that our country
can offer.
You are confusing the ACLU charter with ACLU reality. Everyone wants liberty
and justice for all, but we would like to be alive to enjoy these liberties.
Only muslims suspected of terrorist activity were interrogated, no one else.
The New York Civil Liberties Union is in court to stop the Department of
Homeland Security from detaining interrogating, fingerprinting and
photographing American citizens at the border because they attended an
Islamic conference.
Sounds like an illegal stopping of American citizens. They have every
right to be angry, and to sue the government.
Our government had reasons to suspect these people of illegal activity.
Maybe you should try supporting Uncle Sam instead of hoolums who would kill
Americans just as soon as look at them.
The NYCLU and the American Civil Liberties Union brought the case to
Judge
William W. Skretny in Buffalo, N.Y., on behalf of five Muslim American
citizens who attended the Reviving the Islamic Spirit conference in
Toronto
in December 2004.
Federal officials argue such conferences have been used to provide cover
for
pro-terrorist operatives.
Then the federal officials make the claim, then they have to prove it
in court, as well as prove that that particular conference was one that
was providing such cover. As it stands, it sounds like the government
was interfering with their freedom of religion and freedom of
association.
We must fight such atrocities while they are still small, or they may
soon grow too large and pervasive to fight at all.
Mark Sebree
Bullsh*t!! Stop them before they get in; nobody forced these people to leave
the country.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU lawsuit backs men held at border after Islamic conference |
17 Dec 2005 11:20:43 PM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
You are confusing the ACLU charter with ACLU reality.
You are confusing your hatred and rage with the truth.
Everyone wants liberty
and justice for all,
You don't. You want obedience and death.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU lawsuit backs men held at border after Islamic conference |
17 Dec 2005 10:37:02 PM |
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J Young wrote:
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1134872605.226812.70340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sounds more like the ACLU is fighting America's enemies, by defending
people's rights as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights from those like you
that prefer tyranny and the destruction of the best that our country
can offer.
You are confusing the ACLU charter with ACLU reality.
No, I am not.
Everyone wants liberty
and justice for all, but we would like to be alive to enjoy these liberties.
However, we should not give up those liberties because of fear. That
is when we need to defend them even more.
Only muslims suspected of terrorist activity were interrogated, no one else.
I have not seen anything that suggests any suspected terrorist
activity. It sounds more like persecution of Muslims. Canada is not
exactly a terrorist hotbed, after all. All they did was go to a
religious conference just like tens of thousands of Christians do every
year.
The New York Civil Liberties Union is in court to stop the Department of
Homeland Security from detaining interrogating, fingerprinting and
photographing American citizens at the border because they attended an
Islamic conference.
Sounds like an illegal stopping of American citizens. They have every
right to be angry, and to sue the government.
Our government had reasons to suspect these people of illegal activity.
Then they can present those reasons in court.
Maybe you should try supporting Uncle Sam instead of hoolums who would kill
Americans just as soon as look at them.
I am. I am supporting them against hoodlums like you, which are far
more dangerous since they try to destroy America from within. All I
have seen so far is persecution of Muslims from people like you, and
defense of that persecution. Those men have every right to sue the US
government for their actions, and if the government cannot defend
itself, then they should be made to pay and be censured. (note:
"censured", not "censored".)
The NYCLU and the American Civil Liberties Union brought the case to
Judge
William W. Skretny in Buffalo, N.Y., on behalf of five Muslim American
citizens who attended the Reviving the Islamic Spirit conference in
Toronto
in December 2004.
Federal officials argue such conferences have been used to provide cover
for
pro-terrorist operatives.
Then the federal officials make the claim, then they have to prove it
in court, as well as prove that that particular conference was one that
was providing such cover. As it stands, it sounds like the government
was interfering with their freedom of religion and freedom of
association.
We must fight such atrocities while they are still small, or they may
soon grow too large and pervasive to fight at all.
Mark Sebree
Bullsh*t!! Stop them before they get in; nobody forced these people to leave
the country.
They were already in. They are American citizens. The conference was
in Canada, probably because Canada is defending freedom and equality
better than the USA is right now. They are perfectly free to travel to
other countries and return, especially when what they were doing was
completely lawful. You cannot deport them, since they belong here, and
you cannot deny them entry for the same reason. They had also
committed no crime, so there is no valid reason to hold them.
You are showing your bigotry again. You are demonstrating exactly why
they need to defend their freedoms forcibly by suing the government for
the way that they were treated.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Gaia" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU lawsuit backs men held at border after Islamic conference |
18 Dec 2005 06:33:01 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Everyone wants liberty
and justice for all...
...even for *your* little girls?
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| User: "Reasoned Insanity" |
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17 Dec 2005 09:17:08 PM |
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From the sound of it, the enemy of America (the ACLU) has two supporters
here. Why they hate America I do not know. Too bad they don't just leave. Oh
yeah, they hate democracy and freedom and the right to life and would go to
any means to destroy anyone who has those rights.
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1134872605.226812.70340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
J Young wrote:
The U.S. did not begin this war with the muslim world, it was thrust upon
America on 9/11. If the federal goverment says that these people might be
potential threats to our security, that should be a good enough reason
for
the Department of Homeland Security to perform it's duty. The ACLU has
once
again placed it's sympathies firmly with America's enemies; both foreign
and
domestic.
Sounds more like the ACLU is fighting America's enemies, by defending
people's rights as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights from those like you
that prefer tyranny and the destruction of the best that our country
can offer.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47944
Muslims claim detention was due to faith
The New York Civil Liberties Union is in court to stop the Department of
Homeland Security from detaining interrogating, fingerprinting and
photographing American citizens at the border because they attended an
Islamic conference.
Sounds like an illegal stopping of American citizens. They have every
right to be angry, and to sue the government.
The NYCLU and the American Civil Liberties Union brought the case to
Judge
William W. Skretny in Buffalo, N.Y., on behalf of five Muslim American
citizens who attended the Reviving the Islamic Spirit conference in
Toronto
in December 2004.
Federal officials argue such conferences have been used to provide cover
for
pro-terrorist operatives.
Then the federal officials make the claim, then they have to prove it
in court, as well as prove that that particular conference was one that
was providing such cover. As it stands, it sounds like the government
was interfering with their freedom of religion and freedom of
association.
We must fight such atrocities while they are still small, or they may
soon grow too large and pervasive to fight at all.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Lörd Phÿltêr" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU lawsuit backs men held at border after Islamic conference |
18 Dec 2005 05:27:03 AM |
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"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@yahoo.com> astounded us with:
news:Zv4pf.65950$sg5.618@dukeread12:
From the sound of it, the enemy of America (the ACLU) has two supporters
here. Why they hate America I do not know. Too bad they don't just
leave. Oh yeah, they hate democracy and freedom and the right to life
and would go to any means to destroy anyone who has those rights.
You're a braindead *****. You wouldn't know democracy & freedom if it was
tattooed on the ***** of the guy that you're busily sucking.
It's obvious that you suck up Republican propaganda like a fucking sponge,
no thought processes involved whatsoever.
The ACLU are the upholders of the constitution, you are using the
constitution to wipe your miserable fucking *****, so, where do your
loyalties lie, with America, or the lying fucks that stole 2 elections?
Your response should elicit laughter at least, I'm confident there will be
no plausible content in your reply, traitor.
--
Lörd Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU lawsuit backs men held at border after Islamic conference |
17 Dec 2005 10:44:47 PM |
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Reasoned Insanity wrote:
From the sound of it, the enemy of America (the ACLU)
The ACLU is a defender and friend of America, not an enemy.
has two supporters
here. Why they hate America I do not know.
They don't.
Too bad they don't just leave.
Why should they? They love this country enough to defend it and its
people against the tyranny that people like you and the extreme
religious right wants to impose on us.
Oh
yeah, they hate democracy and freedom and the right to life and would go to
any means to destroy anyone who has those rights.
Not one word of that is factual. They love democracy and freedom, and
defend it. That is why they are defending the freedoms of citizens
that are being persecuted. The fact that they love freedom and
equality is also why they defend women's right to choose whether or not
they want to continue their unplanned pregnancies. They defend those
rights against terrorists that do not want people to have any rights
and want to dictate to people what they can and cannot do, as well as
can and cannot believe. People like you, as a matter of fact.
You hate the ACLU because they defend the rights of people that you
want to persecute, such as non-Christians, women (especially those that
do not want to remain pregnant), homosexuals, and anyone that disagrees
with your opinions and sticks up for themselves and others.
And the ACLU also defends your right to say and believe what you want,
for which you seem to be ungrateful to them for.
Mark Sebree
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1134872605.226812.70340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
J Young wrote:
The U.S. did not begin this war with the muslim world, it was thrust upon
America on 9/11. If the federal goverment says that these people might be
potential threats to our security, that should be a good enough reason
for
the Department of Homeland Security to perform it's duty. The ACLU has
once
again placed it's sympathies firmly with America's enemies; both foreign
and
domestic.
Sounds more like the ACLU is fighting America's enemies, by defending
people's rights as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights from those like you
that prefer tyranny and the destruction of the best that our country
can offer.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47944
Muslims claim detention was due to faith
The New York Civil Liberties Union is in court to stop the Department of
Homeland Security from detaining interrogating, fingerprinting and
photographing American citizens at the border because they attended an
Islamic conference.
Sounds like an illegal stopping of American citizens. They have every
right to be angry, and to sue the government.
The NYCLU and the American Civil Liberties Union brought the case to
Judge
William W. Skretny in Buffalo, N.Y., on behalf of five Muslim American
citizens who attended the Reviving the Islamic Spirit conference in
Toronto
in December 2004.
Federal officials argue such conferences have been used to provide cover
for
pro-terrorist operatives.
Then the federal officials make the claim, then they have to prove it
in court, as well as prove that that particular conference was one that
was providing such cover. As it stands, it sounds like the government
was interfering with their freedom of religion and freedom of
association.
We must fight such atrocities while they are still small, or they may
soon grow too large and pervasive to fight at all.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "655321" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU lawsuit backs men held at border after Islamic conference |
18 Dec 2005 01:20:28 AM |
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On 2005-12-17 15:58:31 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> said:
. The ACLU has once
again placed it's sympathies firmly with America's enemies
Lying for Bush ain't the same thing as lying for Jesus, but it's similar.
The ACLU provides lawyers to defend people against government power run
amok. Sometimes they lose. That's how the system works.
Why do you hate America so much?
--
GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825 --
"My bible is accurate where it needs to be." --Earl "duke" Webber
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