Religions > Atheism > ACLU of Arkansas Action Results in Removal of Evolution Disclaimers From Science Textbooks
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ACLU of Arkansas Action Results in Removal of Evolution Disclaimers From Science Textbooks |
From the article:
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February 10, 2005
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
LITTLE ROCK, AR--Following action by the American Civil Liberties
Union of Arkansas, the Beebe School District today agreed to remove
stickers it had placed in science textbooks undermining the validity
of evolution and introducing the religious concept of an "intelligent
designer" behind the origin of life. After receiving complaints about
the stickers from community members, the ACLU wrote a letter to the
superintendent of the school district demanding that the stickers be
removed.
"We commend the Beebe School District for avoiding unnecessary and
costly litigation in this matter," said ACLU of Arkansas Executive
Director Rita Sklar. "However, we are concerned that these stickers
may be present in textbooks around the state, as they are the latest
attempt to undermine science and bring creationism back into public
schools. We would be happy to talk to the Arkansas Department of
Education to provide legal guidance on this issue."
The Beebe stickers, which carry the headline "A MESSAGE FROM THE BEEBE
SCHOOL BOARD," describe evolution as a "controversial theory" and go
on to suggest that "evolution alone is not adequate to explain the
origins of life." The stickers specifically name an "intelligent
designer" as a possible source for those origins.
In its letter to the school district, the ACLU cited the recent
decision in the federal lawsuit, Selman v. Cobb. County School
District, which held that similar stickers in Georgia textbooks
violate the First Amendment. The ACLU said that the stickers used by
the Beebe School District go much further than the three-line Cobb
County disclaimer, because they specifically reference an "intelligent
designer," which is a religious concept.
"Teaching about religion in history or social studies classes is
proper, but masquerading a religious message as scientific fact is
misleading and can lead to unnecessary divisiveness in a community,"
said Sklar.
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Read it at
http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17456&c=139
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Bobby D. Bryant" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU of Arkansas Action Results in Removal of Evolution Disclaimers From Science Textbooks |
10 Feb 2005 11:20:37 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
The Beebe stickers, which carry the headline "A MESSAGE FROM THE BEEBE
SCHOOL BOARD,"
And clearly, the school board is more qualified to evaluate the theory
than scientists are.
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Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU of Arkansas Action Results in Removal of Evolution Disclaimers From Science Textbooks |
13 Feb 2005 07:45:24 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:20:37 +0000 (UTC),
(Bobby D. Bryant) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
The Beebe stickers, which carry the headline "A MESSAGE FROM THE BEEBE
SCHOOL BOARD,"
And clearly, the school board is more qualified to evaluate the theory
than scientists are.
Scary. Terminally uneducated and cretinous school boards are making
decisions about education.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU of Arkansas Action Results in Removal of Evolution Disclaimers From Science Textbooks |
13 Feb 2005 10:15:46 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:45:24 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> said in
alt.atheism:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:20:37 +0000 (UTC),
(Bobby D. Bryant) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
The Beebe stickers, which carry the headline "A MESSAGE FROM THE BEEBE
SCHOOL BOARD,"
And clearly, the school board is more qualified to evaluate the theory
than scientists are.
Scary. Terminally uneducated and cretinous school boards are making
decisions about education.
They want to propagate their own - illiterates.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU of Arkansas Action Results in Removal of Evolution Disclaimers From Science Textbooks |
14 Feb 2005 12:38:08 AM |
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In article <se9011hb9tb7i0rv92p6bbhsvsp5h0jirg@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:45:24 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> said in
alt.atheism:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:20:37 +0000 (UTC),
(Bobby D. Bryant) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org>
wrote:
The Beebe stickers, which carry the headline "A MESSAGE FROM THE BEEBE
SCHOOL BOARD,"
And clearly, the school board is more qualified to evaluate the theory
than scientists are.
Scary. Terminally uneducated and cretinous school boards are making
decisions about education.
They want to propagate their own - illiterates.
Cain't have no smartass kids bein' smarter than their folks! It's
ungodly!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Feb 2005 05:00:46 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:38:08 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
In article <se9011hb9tb7i0rv92p6bbhsvsp5h0jirg@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
They want to propagate their own - illiterates.
Cain't have no smartass kids bein' smarter than their folks! It's
ungodly!
That'll lead to the kids sassing their parents, and that calls for
stoning.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the
type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
- Albert Einstein
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| User: "jwk" |
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15 Feb 2005 01:17:31 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:38:08 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
In article <se9011hb9tb7i0rv92p6bbhsvsp5h0jirg@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
They want to propagate their own - illiterates.
Cain't have no smartass kids bein' smarter than their folks! It's
ungodly!
That'll lead to the kids sassing their parents, and that calls for
stoning.
I believe the perscribed punishment is to have bears tear them apart.
jwk
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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16 Feb 2005 08:35:00 PM |
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In article <1108495051.094417.235980@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:38:08 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
In article <se9011hb9tb7i0rv92p6bbhsvsp5h0jirg@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
They want to propagate their own - illiterates.
Cain't have no smartass kids bein' smarter than their folks! It's
ungodly!
That'll lead to the kids sassing their parents, and that calls for
stoning.
I believe the perscribed punishment is to have bears tear them apart.
jwk
Hey, we could televise it and bring in big bucks. Plus we could see
tickets to the event, in the local stadiums.
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Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "johac" |
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17 Feb 2005 12:02:13 AM |
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In article <1108495051.094417.235980@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:38:08 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
In article <se9011hb9tb7i0rv92p6bbhsvsp5h0jirg@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
They want to propagate their own - illiterates.
Cain't have no smartass kids bein' smarter than their folks! It's
ungodly!
That'll lead to the kids sassing their parents, and that calls for
stoning.
I believe the perscribed punishment is to have bears tear them apart.
jwk
That's for sassin' bald peoples.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 Feb 2005 05:23:19 PM |
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On 15 Feb 2005 11:17:31 -0800, "jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:38:08 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
In article <se9011hb9tb7i0rv92p6bbhsvsp5h0jirg@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
They want to propagate their own - illiterates.
Cain't have no smartass kids bein' smarter than their folks! It's
ungodly!
That'll lead to the kids sassing their parents, and that calls for
stoning.
I believe the perscribed punishment is to have bears tear them apart.
Nope. The 'loving' being ripped apart by bears is reserved for making
fun of balding priests.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "johac" |
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15 Feb 2005 12:45:58 AM |
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In article <2cb2115m8603t7teal58hqf1sbooa33adk@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:38:08 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
In article <se9011hb9tb7i0rv92p6bbhsvsp5h0jirg@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
They want to propagate their own - illiterates.
Cain't have no smartass kids bein' smarter than their folks! It's
ungodly!
That'll lead to the kids sassing their parents, and that calls for
stoning.
Yay! First let's burn the books and the Darwinist science teachers! Then
we can stone the kids!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Alexander" |
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15 Feb 2005 06:47:20 AM |
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-8FD2C0.22455814022005@news.giganews.com...
In article <2cb2115m8603t7teal58hqf1sbooa33adk@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:38:08 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
In article <se9011hb9tb7i0rv92p6bbhsvsp5h0jirg@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
They want to propagate their own - illiterates.
Cain't have no smartass kids bein' smarter than their folks! It's
ungodly!
That'll lead to the kids sassing their parents, and that calls for
stoning.
Yay! First let's burn the books and the Darwinist science teachers! Then
we can stone the kids!
Stone the kids with Darwinist science teachers ... then burn the stones
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "johac" |
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17 Feb 2005 12:19:24 AM |
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In article <sbmQd.1134$eG2.1036@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>,
"Alexander" <alexander.hudson@virgin.net> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-8FD2C0.22455814022005@news.giganews.com...
In article <2cb2115m8603t7teal58hqf1sbooa33adk@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:38:08 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
In article <se9011hb9tb7i0rv92p6bbhsvsp5h0jirg@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
They want to propagate their own - illiterates.
Cain't have no smartass kids bein' smarter than their folks! It's
ungodly!
That'll lead to the kids sassing their parents, and that calls for
stoning.
Yay! First let's burn the books and the Darwinist science teachers! Then
we can stone the kids!
Stone the kids with Darwinist science teachers ... then burn the stones
Get the Darwinists stoned and have the kids throw rocks at the fundies.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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14 Feb 2005 10:58:17 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:00:46 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:38:08 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
In article <se9011hb9tb7i0rv92p6bbhsvsp5h0jirg@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
They want to propagate their own - illiterates.
Cain't have no smartass kids bein' smarter than their folks! It's
ungodly!
That'll lead to the kids sassing their parents, and that calls for
stoning.
Or hemlocking....
German
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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15 Feb 2005 12:08:26 AM |
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<tracym@askme.net> wrote in message
news:ka0311tduugl2lv5g2qfep13t9dfcqjcgh@4ax.com...
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:00:46 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:38:08 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
In article <se9011hb9tb7i0rv92p6bbhsvsp5h0jirg@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
They want to propagate their own - illiterates.
Cain't have no smartass kids bein' smarter than their folks! It's
ungodly!
That'll lead to the kids sassing their parents, and that calls for
stoning.
Or hemlocking....
German
I sometimes wonder if ultra-fundie Christians are even members of
the human race or just some affliction foisted on it. They don't seem
to want their kids, especially the girls, to have a decent education or
a chance to improve their situation beyond that of their parents. My
grandparents went without, if necessary, to see to it that their kids
went to school and had a chance of a better life. I just can't
understand people not doing that for their own children.
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| User: "Phil Roberts" |
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15 Feb 2005 06:11:50 AM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> treated the lovely
people of talk.origins with the following stuff:
<snip>
I sometimes wonder if ultra-fundie Christians are even members
of the human race or just some affliction foisted on it. They
don't seem to want their kids, especially the girls, to have a
decent education or a chance to improve their situation beyond
that of their parents. My grandparents went without, if
necessary, to see to it that their kids went to school and had a
chance of a better life. I just can't understand people not
doing that for their own children.
A guy of 17 that I work with is in a similar situation. His mother
has given him the ultimatum that he must leave home by the end of
April (he will be 18 by then) any apparently all notions of higher
education are rejected as she believes that he should be out
working in order to earn enough money to leave the family home.
Funnily enough, she is an ex-fundy.
Some people are simply too stupid and insular to see the damage
they do to their children.
--
Phil Roberts | http://www.flatnet.net/
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| User: "Noelie S. Alito" |
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16 Feb 2005 07:55:48 AM |
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"Phil Roberts" <philroberts@spamcop.net> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> treated the lovely
people of talk.origins with the following stuff:
<snip>
I sometimes wonder if ultra-fundie Christians are even members
of the human race or just some affliction foisted on it. They
don't seem to want their kids, especially the girls, to have a
decent education or a chance to improve their situation beyond
that of their parents. My grandparents went without, if
necessary, to see to it that their kids went to school and had a
chance of a better life. I just can't understand people not
doing that for their own children.
A guy of 17 that I work with is in a similar situation. His mother
has given him the ultimatum that he must leave home by the end of
April (he will be 18 by then) any apparently all notions of higher
education are rejected as she believes that he should be out
working in order to earn enough money to leave the family home.
Funnily enough, she is an ex-fundy.
In some blue-collar communities, post-secondary education is
high-priced mollycoddling at the expense of *real* honest hard
work. My first MIT boyfriend graduated from an all-male high
school where he was one of 20 in his class of 300 who went on
to college. Since he got in on full academic scholarship, and
sent home extra money from his work-study job, he was not
seen as a burden on his parents. (BTW, not fundies.)
Some people are simply too stupid and insular to see the damage
they do to their children.
I have a hard time getting worked up over the "damage" done
to kids having to work their own way through college and/or
deferring college until after they've picked up some life experience.
For some parents, not killing their teenagers is asking a lot.
Noelie
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Being a parent is like being pecked to death by a duck.
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16 Feb 2005 05:01:55 PM |
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Noelie S. Alito <noelie@deadspam.com> wrote:
For some parents, not killing their teenagers is asking a lot.
Oddly, this resonates with me...
--
John S. Wilkins AA#2207
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Fiat lunch!
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17 Feb 2005 11:10:53 AM |
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John Wilkins wrote:
Noelie S. Alito <noelie@deadspam.com> wrote:
For some parents, not killing their teenagers
1983 Daniel Brooks
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990628151138.260287C-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
is asking a lot.
Oddly, this resonates with me...
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17 Feb 2005 12:32:00 AM |
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:01:55 +1100, (John
Wilkins) wrote:
Noelie S. Alito <noelie@deadspam.com> wrote:
For some parents, not killing their teenagers is asking a lot.
Oddly, this resonates with me...
It's very sweet--now that the Mutant is all grown up, he spends time
with the Imps of Satan, telling them what a little ***** he was when he
was their age. And he could be a ***** for the US Olympic Team in his
day, believe me. There were times I was convinced that only one of us
would survive his adolescence.
Lizz 'I heart my kids' Holmans
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I have seen things you will never see.
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15 Feb 2005 12:58:21 PM |
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In talk.origins Michelle Malkin <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
<tracym@askme.net> wrote in message
news:ka0311tduugl2lv5g2qfep13t9dfcqjcgh@4ax.com...
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:00:46 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:38:08 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> said in
alt.atheism:
In article <se9011hb9tb7i0rv92p6bbhsvsp5h0jirg@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
They want to propagate their own - illiterates.
Cain't have no smartass kids bein' smarter than their folks! It's
ungodly!
That'll lead to the kids sassing their parents, and that calls for
stoning.
Or hemlocking....
German
I sometimes wonder if ultra-fundie Christians are even members of
the human race or just some affliction foisted on it. They don't seem
to want their kids, especially the girls, to have a decent education or
a chance to improve their situation beyond that of their parents. My
grandparents went without, if necessary, to see to it that their kids
went to school and had a chance of a better life. I just can't
understand people not doing that for their own children.
Because they come back from school filled with heathen atheistic
nonsense. Can't have that.
---- Paul J. Gans
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU of Arkansas Action Results in Removal of Evolution Disclaimers From Science Textbooks |
15 Feb 2005 10:55:50 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:08:26 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> said in alt.atheism:
I sometimes wonder if ultra-fundie Christians are even members of
the human race or just some affliction foisted on it. They don't seem
to want their kids, especially the girls, to have a decent education or
a chance to improve their situation beyond that of their parents.
I'll give the Amish that, at least. Even though they don't want their
kids, especially the girls, to have a decent education or a chance to
improve their situation beyond that of their parents, they *do* want,
and love, their kids.
My grandparents went without, if necessary, to see to it that their kids
went to school and had a chance of a better life. I just can't
understand people not doing that for their own children.
It's even more difficult to understand if you've done it for your own,
Mickey. It's like not being able to understand why some people don't
scratch when they itch. Doing it for someone you love is a reflex.
Maybe fundies are just broken.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"The study of geology is ok-But not when it contradicts what is laid
out in the Bible that the earth is more than 10,000 years old."
- Doug Lee, Creationist
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU of Arkansas Action Results in Removal of Evolution Disclaimers From Science Textbooks |
15 Feb 2005 11:04:22 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:55:50 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:08:26 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> said in alt.atheism:
I sometimes wonder if ultra-fundie Christians are even members of
the human race or just some affliction foisted on it. They don't seem
to want their kids, especially the girls, to have a decent education or
a chance to improve their situation beyond that of their parents.
I'll give the Amish that, at least. Even though they don't want their
kids, especially the girls, to have a decent education or a chance to
improve their situation beyond that of their parents, they *do* want,
and love, their kids.
And unlike the creationist fundies, they have the integrity to refuse
the fruits of the very science and its practicioners they attack.
My grandparents went without, if necessary, to see to it that their kids
went to school and had a chance of a better life. I just can't
understand people not doing that for their own children.
It's even more difficult to understand if you've done it for your own,
Mickey. It's like not being able to understand why some people don't
scratch when they itch. Doing it for someone you love is a reflex.
Maybe fundies are just broken.
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| Title: Re: ACLU of Arkansas Action Results in Removal of Evolution Disclaimers From Science Textbooks |
17 Feb 2005 05:40:55 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:55:50 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:08:26 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> said in alt.atheism:
[minor snippage]
I sometimes wonder if ultra-fundie Christians are even members of
the human race or just some affliction foisted on it. They don't
seem
to want their kids, especially the girls, to have a decent
education or
a chance to improve their situation beyond that of their parents.
I'll give the Amish that, at least. Even though they don't want
their
kids, especially the girls, to have a decent education or a chance
to
improve their situation beyond that of their parents, they *do*
want,
and love, their kids.
And unlike the creationist fundies, they have the integrity to refuse
the fruits of the very science and its practicioners they attack.
Don't go dissing the Amish. Their rejection of modern technology is
neither monolithic nor irrational; rather, they judge any given
techno-toy on the basis of whether it will do harm or good to the
community. Thus, there are Amish who use computers for their
work-related duties, while at the same time declining to buy videogames
or surf the Net for porn.
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| Title: Re: ACLU of Arkansas Action Results in Removal of Evolution Disclaimers From Science Textbooks |
15 Feb 2005 04:19:50 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:04:22 -0500, "Christopher A. Lee"
<calee@optonline.net> said in alt.atheism:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:55:50 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
I'll give the Amish that, at least. Even though they don't want their
kids, especially the girls, to have a decent education or a chance to
improve their situation beyond that of their parents, they *do* want,
and love, their kids.
And unlike the creationist fundies, they have the integrity to refuse
the fruits of the very science and its practicioners they attack.
They don't even, as a group, attack it. They just won't use it. I
can have no problem with the beliefs of another if he refuses to allow
them to affect his interaction with me.
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rukbat at verizon dot net
"Every sensible man, every honest man, must hold the christian sect in horror. 'But what
shall we substitute in its place?' you say. What? A ferocious animal has sucked the
blood of my relatives. I tell you to rid yourselves of this beast and you ask me what
you shall put in its place?" - Voltaire
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "stoney" |
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14 Feb 2005 02:00:11 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:15:46 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:45:24 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> said in
alt.atheism:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:20:37 +0000 (UTC),
(Bobby D. Bryant) wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
The Beebe stickers, which carry the headline "A MESSAGE FROM THE BEEBE
SCHOOL BOARD,"
And clearly, the school board is more qualified to evaluate the theory
than scientists are.
Scary. Terminally uneducated and cretinous school boards are making
decisions about education.
They want to propagate their own - illiterates.
They can do that in their very own double-wides.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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11 Feb 2005 07:58:15 AM |
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:29 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
From the article:
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February 10, 2005
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
my GAWD we actually WON one!
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to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com"
and enter 'wf3h' in the field
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| Title: Re: ACLU of Arkansas Action Results in Removal of Evolution Disclaimers From Science Textbooks |
10 Feb 2005 09:15:36 PM |
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TV's Jason Spaceman wrote:
LITTLE ROCK, AR--Following action by the American Civil Liberties
Union of Arkansas, the Beebe School District today agreed to remove
stickers it had placed in science textbooks undermining the validity
of evolution and introducing the religious concept of an "intelligent
designer" behind the origin of life. After receiving complaints about
the stickers from community members, the ACLU wrote a letter to the
superintendent of the school district demanding that the stickers be
removed.
Wow, some rare rationality from my home state! Good job, ACLU.
--
Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast -
Meatwad
Get off your fuckin' cross. We need the fuckin' space to nail the next fool
martyr - Tool, "Eulogy"
aa #2133
ap #19
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