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Religions > Atheism |
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"J Young" |
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28 Mar 2005 11:47:58 AM |
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ACLU sues for gays' benefits |
Why would any man need another man to provide him with health care
benefits? The advantage of gay partnerships is that there are no
children at home that need attending. Let each man provide his own
health care, just like single straight people do. This notion that one
guy stays home and plays "Donna Reed" while the other one goes to work
should not become a burden on the American health care system. The
people of Michigan (and many other states) have spoken; No gay
marriage. Stop seeking "special" dispensations just because your
different.
http://www.freep.com/news/mich/gay22e_20050322.htm
Despite marriage ban, couples want health care
The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit Monday asking the
courts to protect same-sex couples' health benefits in light of a state
constitutional ban on gay marriage.
In the suit, filed in Ingham County Circuit Court, the ACLU asked the
court to stipulate that the ban on gay marriage does not extend to
health care benefits for same-sex partners. The amendment, they said,
is ambiguous.
The ACLU filed the suit less than a week after state Attorney General
Mike Cox issued his legal interpretation about what effect the
amendment should have on health benefits. He concluded that the
amendment bans government agencies from extending benefits to same-sex
couples in any future contract negotiations.
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
23 Apr 2005 04:04:39 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:40:54 GMT, Dionisio
<moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Well, guess that means you should take what we lost. "Our asses" you
say? Oh, take them! Take them now!!!
Dionisio awarded the title of - http://tinyurl.com/by776
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
24 Apr 2005 08:05:53 PM |
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Dionisio awarded the title of - http://tinyurl.com/by776
A URL?!? Aww... You're so sweet! Come here and lets snuggle.
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The psychotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 5 and is perfectly happy about it; the neurotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 4, but is terribly worried about it.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
24 Apr 2005 09:06:13 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 01:05:53 GMT, Dionisio
<moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
Dionisio awarded the title of - http://tinyurl.com/by776
A URL?!? Aww... You're so sweet! Come here and lets snuggle.
I've got you snuggle, boy. It's called a Springfield model 1911.
Loaded for bear. Are you a bear, boy?
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
25 Apr 2005 05:25:41 AM |
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I've got you snuggle, boy.
<excited squeal>
Are you a bear, boy?
Otter actually. Hope you're not disappointed.
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The psychotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 5 and is perfectly happy about it; the neurotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 4, but is terribly worried about it.
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| User: "Fritz" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
25 Apr 2005 10:40:34 AM |
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Dionisio wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
I've got you snuggle, boy.
<excited squeal>
Are you a bear, boy?
Otter actually. Hope you're not disappointed.
Can't you change for a snuggle?
-- Fritz ...
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
25 Apr 2005 11:06:00 AM |
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"Fritz" <*****@off.net> wrote in message news:426D0F72.B196ED9C@off.net...
Dionisio wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
I've got you snuggle, boy.
<excited squeal>
Are you a bear, boy?
Otter actually. Hope you're not disappointed.
Can't you change for a snuggle?
Why do you keep trying to force your homosexuality onto others who are not
interested?
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| User: "Fritz" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
26 Apr 2005 09:50:17 AM |
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Sir Marksman wrote:
"Fritz" <*****@off.net> wrote in message news:426D0F72.B196ED9C@off.net...
Dionisio wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
I've got you snuggle, boy.
<excited squeal>
Are you a bear, boy?
Otter actually. Hope you're not disappointed.
Can't you change for a snuggle?
Why do you keep trying to force your homosexuality onto others who are not
interested?
Why do you keep trying to force your heterosexually onto others
who are not interested?
-- Fritz ...
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
26 Apr 2005 09:52:24 AM |
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"Fritz" <*****@off.net> wrote in message news:426E5528.5FE1E261@off.net...
Sir Marksman wrote:
"Fritz" <*****@off.net> wrote in message news:426D0F72.B196ED9C@off.net...
Dionisio wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
I've got you snuggle, boy.
<excited squeal>
Are you a bear, boy?
Otter actually. Hope you're not disappointed.
Can't you change for a snuggle?
Why do you keep trying to force your homosexuality onto others who are
not
interested?
Why do you keep trying to force your heterosexually onto others
who are not interested?
Distraction noted. Now answer the question posed.
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| User: "Fritz" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
26 Apr 2005 10:34:50 AM |
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Sir Marksman wrote:
"Fritz" <*****@off.net> wrote in message news:426E5528.5FE1E261@off.net...
Sir Marksman wrote:
"Fritz" <*****@off.net> wrote in message news:426D0F72.B196ED9C@off.net...
Dionisio wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
I've got you snuggle, boy.
<excited squeal>
Are you a bear, boy?
Otter actually. Hope you're not disappointed.
Can't you change for a snuggle?
Why do you keep trying to force your homosexuality onto others who are
not
interested?
Why do you keep trying to force your heterosexually onto others
who are not interested?
Distraction noted. Now answer the question posed.
Why?
What do I get?
-- Fritz ...
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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26 Apr 2005 10:33:51 AM |
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cowardly demoncrap Fritz <*****@off.net> wrote:
Sir Marksman wrote:
"Fritz" <*****@off.net> wrote in message news:426E5528.5FE1E261@off.net...
Sir Marksman wrote:
"Fritz" <*****@off.net> wrote in message news:426D0F72.B196ED9C@off.net...
Dionisio wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
I've got you snuggle, boy.
<excited squeal>
Are you a bear, boy?
Otter actually. Hope you're not disappointed.
Can't you change for a snuggle?
Why do you keep trying to force your homosexuality onto others who are
not
interested?
Why do you keep trying to force your heterosexually onto others
who are not interested?
Distraction noted. Now answer the question posed.
Why?
Why not? Unless you are too scared....
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Abominations and LIEberals must be exposed!
Funny quote from Bill BaKKKer <wbaker@postini.com> : I am an abomination and I can't stop antagonizing Sir Marksman!
Another funny quote from Bill BaKKKer: I can't stop SPAMMING and harassing other posters, because I have no life!
Watch Fascist Hatemonger and Bigot craig chilton aka james keegan antagonize!
"The modern definition of a racist: someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."
Peter Brimelow, Alien Nation (1996)
Disgusting quote from Craig Chilton "Just like all other good providers of abortion services, Tiller is
a true American HERO!" 02/08/05
Max Varazslo posting as Bill BaKKKer: "I am in love with you Sir Marksman!" 2/27/05
"Holocaust was greatly exaggerated and you know it. Another monster lie
from the gover-media." - Judy Diarya, AKA "Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend"
Library of Usenet Madness
http://www.twhi.org/Library/library_usenet_madness.htm
See "Abortion is Your Time Machine" - a Craig Chilton classic
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
26 Apr 2005 09:35:09 PM |
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Sir Marksman wrote:
"Fritz" <*****@off.net> wrote:
Why do you keep trying to force your heterosexually onto others
who are not interested?
Distraction noted. Now answer the question posed.
Heterosexuality is a "distraction"?!? Who knew?
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The psychotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 5 and is perfectly happy about it; the neurotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 4, but is terribly worried about it.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
25 Apr 2005 08:25:20 PM |
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Fritz wrote:
Dionisio wrote:
Otter actually. Hope you're not disappointed.
Can't you change for a snuggle?
<looks at penny jar> Well, I suppose...
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The psychotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 5 and is perfectly happy about it; the neurotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 4, but is terribly worried about it.
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| User: "" |
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25 Apr 2005 02:09:53 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 01:05:53 GMT, Dionisio
<moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
Dionisio awarded the title of - http://tinyurl.com/by776
A URL?!? Aww... You're so sweet! Come here and lets snuggle.
I've got you snuggle, boy. It's called a Springfield model 1911.
Loaded for bear. Are you a bear, boy?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
25 Apr 2005 10:55:42 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:09:53 GMT, drained his beer,
leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the
following
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 01:05:53 GMT, Dionisio
<moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
wrote:
Dionisio awarded the title of - http://tinyurl.com/by776
A URL?!? Aww... You're so sweet! Come here and lets snuggle.
I've got you snuggle, boy. It's called a Springfield model 1911.
Loaded for bear. Are you a bear, boy?
LOL! I've got a M-1903A4 Springfield myself, along with my Colt
M-1911A3 and a few others.
You hunt bear with a .45? You're dumber than we thought, and that's
saying something!
I find it amusing that when cornered, you devolve into threats and
petty insults. You've been beaten on every front, and are hiding in
your bunker gibbering. You've failed utterly in support any of your
claims, and we all see that. Removing your posts from Google was
frankly hilarious.. the act of someone who was completely owned.
We're all laughing at your idiocy. Have a nice day!
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
25 Apr 2005 11:19:01 AM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:ug4q615j51o2cv87piq53vts6g1pt93enj@4ax.com...
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:09:53 GMT, drained his beer,
leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the
following
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 01:05:53 GMT, Dionisio
<moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
wrote:
Dionisio awarded the title of - http://tinyurl.com/by776
A URL?!? Aww... You're so sweet! Come here and lets snuggle.
I've got you snuggle, boy. It's called a Springfield model 1911.
Loaded for bear. Are you a bear, boy?
LOL! I've got a M-1903A4 Springfield myself, along with my Colt
M-1911A3 and a few others.
You hunt bear with a .45? You're dumber than we thought, and that's
saying something!
I find it amusing that when cornered, you devolve into threats and
petty insults.
Sounds like you are describing yourself.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
25 Apr 2005 04:11:07 PM |
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"Sir Marksman" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:VL8be.7885$XF3.7431@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
I find it amusing that when cornered, you devolve into threats and
petty insults.
Sounds like you are describing yourself.
He said bravely, from behind a veil of Internet anonymity.
One common thread about you NeoChristians - you are true, personal cowards.
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| User: "sangfroid" |
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26 Apr 2005 03:18:01 PM |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:L1dbe.288$gd5.190@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
"Sir Marksman" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:VL8be.7885$XF3.7431@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
I find it amusing that when cornered, you devolve into threats and
petty insults.
Sounds like you are describing yourself.
He said bravely, from behind a veil of Internet anonymity.
One common thread about you NeoChristians - you are true, personal
cowards.
Sander's ad hominems and bogeymen:
anybody who makes a point he doesn't like or disagree with, must be
"neochristian" or "neocon"
whit
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| User: "Tim Crowley" |
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26 Apr 2005 03:47:31 PM |
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sangfroid wrote:
"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:L1dbe.288$gd5.190@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
"Sir Marksman" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:VL8be.7885$XF3.7431@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
message
I find it amusing that when cornered, you devolve into threats
and
petty insults.
Sounds like you are describing yourself.
He said bravely, from behind a veil of Internet anonymity.
One common thread about you NeoChristians - you are true, personal
cowards.
Sander's ad hominems and bogeymen:
anybody who makes a point he doesn't like or disagree with, must be
"neochristian" or "neocon"
if the neo fits.
whit
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25 Apr 2005 11:53:18 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:55:42 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:09:53 GMT, drained his beer,
leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the
following
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 01:05:53 GMT, Dionisio
<moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
wrote:
Dionisio awarded the title of - http://tinyurl.com/by776
A URL?!? Aww... You're so sweet! Come here and lets snuggle.
I've got you snuggle, boy. It's called a Springfield model 1911.
Loaded for bear. Are you a bear, boy?
LOL! I've got a M-1903A4 Springfield myself, along with my Colt
M-1911A3 and a few others.
You hunt bear with a .45? You're dumber than we thought, and that's
saying something!
I find it amusing that when cornered, you devolve into threats and
petty insults. You've been beaten on every front, and are hiding in
your bunker gibbering. You've failed utterly in support any of your
claims, and we all see that. Removing your posts from Google was
frankly hilarious.. the act of someone who was completely owned.
We're all laughing at your idiocy. Have a nice day!
Keep on whistling , junior. You're getting your ***** kicked every day
of the week in this contest and you know it. Forty flailing fags can't
stand up to two or three good men who tell the truth about you.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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25 Apr 2005 05:31:11 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:53:18 GMT, drained his beer,
leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the
following
Keep on whistling , junior. You're getting your ***** kicked every day
of the week in this contest and you know it. Forty flailing fags can't
stand up to two or three good men who tell the truth about you.
Man, you are completely delusional at this point.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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25 Apr 2005 06:22:41 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:53:18 GMT, drained his beer,
leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the
following
Keep on whistling , junior. You're getting your ***** kicked every day
of the week in this contest and you know it. Forty flailing fags
can't stand up to two or three good men who tell the truth about you.
Man, you are completely delusional at this point.
He was completely delusional 10,000 posts ago.
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."
Albert Einstein
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
25 Apr 2005 08:28:31 PM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
Keep on whistling , junior. You're getting your ***** kicked every day
of the week in this contest and you know it. Forty flailing fags
can't stand up to two or three good men who tell the truth about you.
Man, you are completely delusional at this point.
He was completely delusional 10,000 posts ago.
Just yesterday? I thought it went further back than that...
--
The psychotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 5 and is perfectly happy about it; the neurotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 4, but is terribly worried about it.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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25 Apr 2005 09:19:33 PM |
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Dionisio <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Andrealphus wrote:
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
Keep on whistling , junior. You're getting your ***** kicked every
day of the week in this contest and you know it. Forty flailing
fags can't stand up to two or three good men who tell the truth
about you.
Man, you are completely delusional at this point.
He was completely delusional 10,000 posts ago.
Just yesterday? I thought it went further back than that...
LOL!
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."
Albert Einstein
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23 Apr 2005 10:46:47 AM |
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:21:07 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wrote:
I have provided plenty of evidence abut the harm it would do.
Your one anecdotal point of evidence waqs refuted.
Not so -- you homos have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal so you
lose.
You haven't put forth a single reason for claiming that SSM will cause
any problems.
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23 Apr 2005 03:55:07 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:46:47 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:21:07 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
I have provided plenty of evidence abut the harm it would do.
Your one anecdotal point of evidence waqs refuted.
Not so -- you homos have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal so you
lose.
You haven't put forth a single reason for claiming that SSM will cause
any problems.
Get your head out of your ***** -- you're missing stuff.
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23 Apr 2005 04:04:26 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:46:47 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:21:07 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wrote:
I have provided plenty of evidence abut the harm it would do.
Your one anecdotal point of evidence waqs refuted.
Not so -- you homos have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal so you
lose.
You haven't put forth a single reason for claiming that SSM will cause
any problems.
Get your head out of your ***** -- you're missing stuff.
I haven't missed anything. Your point churches losing tax exempt status
for refusing to perform or recognize SSM is not a valid point, because
the Catholic church, for example, already doesn't treat women equally by
not ordaining them as priests, and this obvious discrimination does not
affect the church's tax exempt status. A law that allows SSM could not
require churche's to perform or recognize them. That would be a
violation of the Bill of Rights. None of the other institutions you
listed has any interest in whether people are married or not.
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23 Apr 2005 08:12:26 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:04:26 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:46:47 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:21:07 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
I have provided plenty of evidence abut the harm it would do.
Your one anecdotal point of evidence waqs refuted.
Not so -- you homos have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal so you
lose.
You haven't put forth a single reason for claiming that SSM will cause
any problems.
Get your head out of your ***** -- you're missing stuff.
I haven't missed anything. Your point churches losing tax exempt status
for refusing to perform or recognize SSM is not a valid point, because
the Catholic church, for example, already doesn't treat women equally by
not ordaining them as priests, and this obvious discrimination does not
affect the church's tax exempt status. A law that allows SSM could not
require churche's to perform or recognize them. That would be a
violation of the Bill of Rights. None of the other institutions you
listed has any interest in whether people are married or not.
Dutch Disaster: How Holland Destroyed Marriage
Mark Earley
As America moves closer to embracing same-sex "marriage," one can
almost picture people in the wedding industry rubbing their hands in
delight. After all, if we legalize gay "marriage," we'll have
more weddings than ever, right?
Wrong. We will end up having fewer marriages, not more. Just ask the
citizens of Holland, where marriage is going the way of typewriters
and
buggy whips.
In the Weekly Standard, Stanley Kurtz, a research fellow at the Hoover
Institution, points out that in recent decades-a time when parental
cohabitation was sweeping across Northern Europe-the Dutch clung to
the last, ragged remains of their religious traditions. Yes, they
engaged in cohabitation-but when Dutch couples had children, they
usually got married.
Not anymore. During the mid-1990s, the rate of out-of-wedlock births
began to shoot up. By 2003, the rate of increase nearly doubled to 31
percent of all Dutch births.
What accounts for this phenomenon? Gay "marriage." These were the
years, Kurtz notes, "when the debate over the legal recognition of
gay relationships came to the fore in the Netherlands." The debate
came to an end when Holland legalized full same-sex "marriage" in
the year 2000.
The conjunction of these two social phenomena, says Kurtz, is no
coincidence. During Holland's decade-long drive to legalize same-sex
"marriage," gay advocates openly scorned the idea that marriage
ought to be defined by the possibility of childbearing. Love between
two partners-any two partners-was the real basis of marriage. Thus,
as one gay "marriage" advocate told the Dutch Parliament, "there
is absolutely no reason, objectively, to distinguish between
heterosexual and homosexual love." Dutch leaders bought this
argument. Marriage would be reduced to-as Kurtz put it-"just one
choice on a menu of relationship options." In marriage, as with
cheeseburgers, you could have it your way.
Then a funny thing happened on the road to redefining marriage: Dutch
people simply stopped getting married-even when they had children.
This really ought to come as no surprise. After all, Kurtz writes,
"Spend a decade telling people that marriage is not about parenthood,
and they just might begin to believe you. Make relationship equality a
rallying cry, and people might decide that all forms of relationships
are equal."
The ease with which the Dutch jettisoned marriage happened in large
part because the Dutch had already abandoned their Judeo-Christian
heritage. The few religious voices raised in defense of traditional
marriage were drowned out. And as a result Holland is now going the
way
of Scandinavia-where acceptance of gay "marriage" has led to the
continued deterioration of marriage.
What's happening in the Netherlands gives us clear evidence of what
gay "marriage" does: People stop getting married, and children
suffer. Let this serve as a warning to Americans. Marriage between one
man and one woman must be protected and strengthened. If it isn't,
then American families-already deeply damaged by divorce and
illegitimacy-will be destroyed.
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24 Apr 2005 05:40:32 AM |
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:04:26 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:46:47 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:21:07 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wrote:
I have provided plenty of evidence abut the harm it would do.
Your one anecdotal point of evidence waqs refuted.
Not so -- you homos have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal so you
lose.
You haven't put forth a single reason for claiming that SSM will cause
any problems.
Get your head out of your ***** -- you're missing stuff.
I haven't missed anything. Your point churches losing tax exempt status
for refusing to perform or recognize SSM is not a valid point, because
the Catholic church, for example, already doesn't treat women equally by
not ordaining them as priests, and this obvious discrimination does not
affect the church's tax exempt status. A law that allows SSM could not
require churche's to perform or recognize them. That would be a
violation of the Bill of Rights. None of the other institutions you
listed has any interest in whether people are married or not.
Dutch Disaster: How Holland Destroyed Marriage
Mark Earley
[snip of irrational argument]
What's happening in the Netherlands gives us clear evidence of what
gay "marriage" does: People stop getting married, and children
suffer.
The argument is nonsense. The number of children born in the Netherlands
to unmarried couples has been rising for many years, since long before
SSM became legal. Second, it has been rising all over Europe.
You still have not raised a single, valid reason for claiming SSM will
cause any problems. Tax exempt status is not threatened, and the rate of
children born to unmarried couples is increasing in Europe because
Europeans no longer define a family based on marriage.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
24 Apr 2005 12:48:46 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:40:32 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:04:26 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:46:47 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:21:07 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
I have provided plenty of evidence abut the harm it would do.
Your one anecdotal point of evidence waqs refuted.
Not so -- you homos have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal so you
lose.
You haven't put forth a single reason for claiming that SSM will cause
any problems.
Get your head out of your ***** -- you're missing stuff.
I haven't missed anything. Your point churches losing tax exempt status
for refusing to perform or recognize SSM is not a valid point, because
the Catholic church, for example, already doesn't treat women equally by
not ordaining them as priests, and this obvious discrimination does not
affect the church's tax exempt status. A law that allows SSM could not
require churche's to perform or recognize them. That would be a
violation of the Bill of Rights. None of the other institutions you
listed has any interest in whether people are married or not.
Dutch Disaster: How Holland Destroyed Marriage
Mark Earley
[snip of irrational argument]
What's happening in the Netherlands gives us clear evidence of what
gay "marriage" does: People stop getting married, and children
suffer.
The argument is nonsense.
No more so than the homosexual demand for SSM. That's beyond nonsense,
that's grossly stupid and an affront to the American society.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
25 Apr 2005 01:28:48 AM |
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wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:40:32 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:04:26 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:46:47 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:21:07 +0200, "Dusty.Rhodes"
<knothole.club@cheney.com> wrote:
wrote:
I have provided plenty of evidence abut the harm it would do.
Your one anecdotal point of evidence waqs refuted.
Not so -- you homos have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal so you
lose.
You haven't put forth a single reason for claiming that SSM will cause
any problems.
Get your head out of your ***** -- you're missing stuff.
I haven't missed anything. Your point churches losing tax exempt status
for refusing to perform or recognize SSM is not a valid point, because
the Catholic church, for example, already doesn't treat women equally by
not ordaining them as priests, and this obvious discrimination does not
affect the church's tax exempt status. A law that allows SSM could not
require churche's to perform or recognize them. That would be a
violation of the Bill of Rights. None of the other institutions you
listed has any interest in whether people are married or not.
Dutch Disaster: How Holland Destroyed Marriage
Mark Earley
[snip of irrational argument]
What's happening in the Netherlands gives us clear evidence of what
gay "marriage" does: People stop getting married, and children
suffer.
The argument is nonsense.
No more so than the homosexual demand for SSM. That's beyond nonsense,
that's grossly stupid and an affront to the American society.
Like blacks and whites marrying, huh?
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