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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "J Young"
Date: 28 Mar 2005 11:47:58 AM
Object: ACLU sues for gays' benefits
Why would any man need another man to provide him with health care
benefits? The advantage of gay partnerships is that there are no
children at home that need attending. Let each man provide his own
health care, just like single straight people do. This notion that one
guy stays home and plays "Donna Reed" while the other one goes to work
should not become a burden on the American health care system. The
people of Michigan (and many other states) have spoken; No gay
marriage. Stop seeking "special" dispensations just because your
different.
http://www.freep.com/news/mich/gay22e_20050322.htm
Despite marriage ban, couples want health care
The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit Monday asking the
courts to protect same-sex couples' health benefits in light of a state
constitutional ban on gay marriage.
In the suit, filed in Ingham County Circuit Court, the ACLU asked the
court to stipulate that the ban on gay marriage does not extend to
health care benefits for same-sex partners. The amendment, they said,
is ambiguous.
The ACLU filed the suit less than a week after state Attorney General
Mike Cox issued his legal interpretation about what effect the
amendment should have on health benefits. He concluded that the
amendment bans government agencies from extending benefits to same-sex
couples in any future contract negotiations.
.

User: "Jenn"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 23 Apr 2005 03:13:03 PM
marksman: <<<Unlike you, I do not want, nor need any special rights.>>
I don't think you every answered: what "special rights" do you suppose
that I want? Have I spoken here of desiring any "special rights"?
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 23 Apr 2005 05:24:49 PM
"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114287183.370709.226640@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

marksman: <<<Unlike you, I do not want, nor need any special rights.>>

I don't think you every answered: what "special rights" do you suppose
that I want? Have I spoken here of desiring any "special rights"?

Did I say you did?
.
User: "Jenn"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 23 Apr 2005 05:35:10 PM
Marksman: > marksman: <<<Unlike you, I do not want, nor need any
special rights.>>
Jenn: <<> I don't think you every answered: what "special rights" do
you suppose

that I want? Have I spoken here of desiring any "special rights"?

Marsman: <<Did I say you did?
I asked a simple question, based on the fact that you are fond of
telling gay people that we want "special rights." The simple question
is, again: Have I spoken here of wanting "special rights"? For that
matter, what person here has requested "special rights" and what
"special rights" have they asked for?
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 23 Apr 2005 06:13:42 PM
"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114295710.328607.218090@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

Marksman: > marksman: <<<Unlike you, I do not want, nor need any
special rights.>>


Jenn: <<> I don't think you every answered: what "special rights" do
you suppose

that I want? Have I spoken here of desiring any "special rights"?


Marsman: <<Did I say you did?

I asked a simple question, based on the fact that you are fond of
telling gay people that we want "special rights." The simple question
is, again: Have I spoken here of wanting "special rights"? For that
matter, what person here has requested "special rights" and what
"special rights" have they asked for?

A special right for gay marriages, which of course is impossible, because a
marriage can only be between a man and a woman.
.
User: "Jenn"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 23 Apr 2005 06:17:45 PM
Marksman: A special right for gay marriages, which of course is
impossible, because a
marriage can only be between a man and a woman.
It's not a "special right" since we are not asking for it for gay
people only.
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 23 Apr 2005 06:19:37 PM
"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114298265.473259.321940@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Marksman: A special right for gay marriages, which of course is
impossible, because a
marriage can only be between a man and a woman.

It's not a "special right" since we are not asking for it for gay
people only.

It is a special right for gays only.
.
User: "Jenn"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 23 Apr 2005 07:12:58 PM
Marksman: <<<It is a special right for gays only.
No it's not. It doesn't apply to gays only.
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 23 Apr 2005 08:24:14 PM
"Jenn" <jennconductss@hotmail.com> wrote in message
When are you going to stop LYING? First you FORGE, now you are just lying.
.



User: ""

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 23 Apr 2005 08:17:25 PM
On 23 Apr 2005 16:17:45 -0700, "Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com>
wrote:

It's not a "special right" since we are not asking for it for gay
people only.

Gay marriage 'rights'
Thomas Sowell (archive)
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In all the states where gay marriage was on the ballot this year, the
voters voted against it -- as they should have.
Of all the phony arguments for gay marriage, the phoniest is the
argument that it is a matter of equal rights. Marriage is not a right
extended to individuals by the government. It is a restriction on the
rights they already have.
People who are simply living together can make whatever arrangements
they want, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual. They can
divide up their worldly belongings 50-50 or 90-10 or whatever other
way they want. They can make their union temporary or permanent or
subject to cancellation at any time.
Marriage is a restriction. If my wife buys an automobile with her own
money, under California marriage laws I automatically own half of it,
whether or not my name is on the title. Whether that law is good, bad,
or indifferent, it is a limitation of our freedom to arrange such
things as we ourselves might choose. This is just one of many
decisions that marriage laws take out of our hands.
Oliver Wendell Holmes said that the life of the law is not logic but
experience. Marriage laws have evolved through centuries of experience
with couples of opposite sexes -- and the children that result from
such unions. Society asserts its stake in the decisions made by
restricting the couples' options.
Society has no such stake in the outcome of a union between two
people of the same sex. Transferring all those laws to same-sex
couples would make no more sense than transferring the rules of
baseball to football.
Why then do gay activists want their options restricted by marriage
laws, when they can make their own contracts with their own provisions
and hold whatever kinds of ceremony they want to celebrate it?
The issue is not individual rights. What the activists are seeking is
official social approval of their lifestyle. But this is the
antithesis of equal rights.
If you have a right to someone else's approval, then they do not have
a right to their own opinions and values. You cannot say that what
"consenting adults" do in private is nobody else's business and then
turn around and say that others are bound to put their seal of
approval on it.
The rhetoric of "equal rights" has become the road to special
privilege for all sorts of groups, so perhaps it was inevitable that
gay activists would take that road as well. It has worked. They have
already succeeded in getting far more government money for AIDS than
for other diseases that kill far more people.
The time is long overdue to stop word games about equal rights from
leading to special privileges -- for anybody -- and gay marriage is as
good an issue on which to do so as anything else.
Incidentally, it is not even clear how many homosexuals actually want
marriage, even though gay activists are pushing it.
What the activists really want is the stamp of acceptance on
homosexuality, as a means of spreading that lifestyle, which has
become a death style in the era of AIDS.
They have already succeeded to a remarkable degree in our public
schools, where so-called "AIDS education" or other pious titles are
put on programs that promote homosexuality. In some cases, gay
activists actually come to the schools, not only to promote
homosexuality as an idea but even to pass out the addresses of local
gay hangouts to the kids.
There is no limit to what people will do if you let them get away
with it. That our schools, which are painfully failing to educate our
children to the standards in other countries, have time for promoting
homosexuality is truly staggering.
Every special interest group has an incentive to take something away
from society as a whole. Some will be content just to siphon off a
share of the taxpayers' money for themselves. Others, however, want to
dismantle a part of the structure of values that make a society
viable.
They may not want to bring down the whole structure, just get rid of
the part that cramps their style. But when innumerable groups start
dismantling pieces of the structure that they don't like, we can be
headed for the kinds of social collapses seen both in history and in
other parts of the world in our own times.
--
"Whenever a minority is for gay marriage or medical marijuana or assisted suicide, suddenly the "will of the people" goes out the window."
.
User: "No One"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 23 Apr 2005 08:57:18 PM
writes:

Gay marriage 'rights'
Thomas Sowell (archive)

If Sowell wrote this garbage, he is an idiot.

In all the states where gay marriage was on the ballot this year, the
voters voted against it -- as they should have.

Reality - initiative campaigns are expensive. Most people who run them
get poll results first to make sure that they have a good chance of
winning. Otherwise you can literally throw millions of bucks down the
tubes in collecting signatures and advertising and have nothing to show
for it.

Of all the phony arguments for gay marriage, the phoniest is the
argument that it is a matter of equal rights. Marriage is not a right
extended to individuals by the government. It is a restriction on the
rights they already have.

Oh nonsense - nobody is arguing "for" individual gay marriages, but
rather for the right to marry when a couple chooses to. Only in
right-wing Orwellian doublespeak would a right be turned into a
"restriction."

People who are simply living together can make whatever arrangements
they want, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual. They can
divide up their worldly belongings 50-50 or 90-10 or whatever other
way they want. They can make their union temporary or permanent or
subject to cancellation at any time.

But they cannot require a third party to recongize their arrangment.
They cannot require a hospital to grant the sort of visitation rights
married couples get as a matter of course because a contract between
A and B cannot place any obligation on C.

Marriage is a restriction. If my wife buys an automobile with her own
money, under California marriage laws I automatically own half of it,
whether or not my name is on the title.

If you don't like it, don't get married. Nobody is forcing you to
marry.

Oliver Wendell Holmes said that the life of the law is not logic but
experience. Marriage laws have evolved through centuries of experience
with couples of opposite sexes -- and the children that result from
such unions. Society asserts its stake in the decisions made by
restricting the couples' options.

This is an outright lie. Marriage in most of human history has been
between a man and as many spouses (usually female but in some cases
male) that he can support.

If you have a right to someone else's approval, then they do not have
a right to their own opinions and values.

Nobody cares about someone else's approval. They care about equal
rights. Marriage at one level is simply a standard contract that
everyone understands, but it also confers various rights and
responsibilities provided by the state.
Basically, if the Pope wants to sit there and genuflect, and pronounce
right from wrong, as far as I'm concerned he can genuflect away. Why
should I care? He's in Rome and I'm in California. Let the Romans deal
with him.

You cannot say that what "consenting adults" do in private is nobody
else's business and then turn around and say that others are bound
to put their seal of approval on it.

Except nobody is saying that. You can wag your tongue at gay couples
all you want. Nobody will stop you. As society progresses, however,
more and more people will laugh at you behind your back, or maybe to
your face, if you continue to make a fool of yourself by acting that
way.
<rest snipped - why bother>
.
User: ""

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 24 Apr 2005 02:21:35 AM
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:57:18 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:

wbt@privacy.net writes:

Gay marriage 'rights'
Thomas Sowell (archive)


If Sowell wrote this garbage, he is an idiot.

In all the states where gay marriage was on the ballot this year, the
voters voted against it -- as they should have.


Reality - initiative campaigns are expensive. Most people who run them
get poll results first to make sure that they have a good chance of
winning. Otherwise you can literally throw millions of bucks down the
tubes in collecting signatures and advertising and have nothing to show
for it.

Of all the phony arguments for gay marriage, the phoniest is the
argument that it is a matter of equal rights. Marriage is not a right
extended to individuals by the government. It is a restriction on the
rights they already have.


Oh nonsense - nobody is arguing "for" individual gay marriages, but
rather for the right to marry when a couple chooses to. Only in
right-wing Orwellian doublespeak would a right be turned into a
"restriction."

People who are simply living together can make whatever arrangements
they want, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual. They can
divide up their worldly belongings 50-50 or 90-10 or whatever other
way they want. They can make their union temporary or permanent or
subject to cancellation at any time.


But they cannot require a third party to recongize their arrangment.
They cannot require a hospital to grant the sort of visitation rights
married couples get as a matter of course because a contract between
A and B cannot place any obligation on C.

Marriage is a restriction. If my wife buys an automobile with her own
money, under California marriage laws I automatically own half of it,
whether or not my name is on the title.


If you don't like it, don't get married. Nobody is forcing you to
marry.

Oliver Wendell Holmes said that the life of the law is not logic but
experience. Marriage laws have evolved through centuries of experience
with couples of opposite sexes -- and the children that result from
such unions. Society asserts its stake in the decisions made by
restricting the couples' options.


This is an outright lie. Marriage in most of human history has been
between a man and as many spouses (usually female but in some cases
male) that he can support.

If you have a right to someone else's approval, then they do not have
a right to their own opinions and values.


Nobody cares about someone else's approval. They care about equal
rights. Marriage at one level is simply a standard contract that
everyone understands, but it also confers various rights and
responsibilities provided by the state.

Basically, if the Pope wants to sit there and genuflect, and pronounce
right from wrong, as far as I'm concerned he can genuflect away. Why
should I care? He's in Rome and I'm in California. Let the Romans deal
with him.

You cannot say that what "consenting adults" do in private is nobody
else's business and then turn around and say that others are bound
to put their seal of approval on it.


Except nobody is saying that. You can wag your tongue at gay couples
all you want. Nobody will stop you. As society progresses, however,
more and more people will laugh at you behind your back, or maybe to
your face, if you continue to make a fool of yourself by acting that
way.

<rest snipped - why bother>

Damn! You quit. Just when it was really getting funny! You lie like a
fucking cheap rug, boy.
.
User: "No One"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 24 Apr 2005 02:45:15 PM
writes:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:57:18 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:

writes:

Gay marriage 'rights'
Thomas Sowell (archive)


<previous quotes snipped>


<rest snipped - why bother>


Damn! You quit. Just when it was really getting funny! You lie like a
fucking cheap rug, boy.

For those who don't know, WBT (under one of his numerous aliases) has
been caught falsifying CDC statistics he pretended to quote, changing
some of the numbers to fit his agenda. He has zero credibility, as
anyone who has seen his posts knowns. Don't try to find what he says
with google, however - he regularly sets the x-no-archive flag to
avoid having a long-term record to deal with.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 24 Apr 2005 08:52:56 PM
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:45:15 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:

wbt@privacy.net writes:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:57:18 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:

wbt@privacy.net writes:

Gay marriage 'rights'
Thomas Sowell (archive)


<previous quotes snipped>


<rest snipped - why bother>


Damn! You quit. Just when it was really getting funny! You lie like a
fucking cheap rug, boy.


For those who don't know, WBT (under one of his numerous aliases) has
been caught falsifying CDC statistics he pretended to quote, changing
some of the numbers to fit his agenda. He has zero credibility, as
anyone who has seen his posts knowns. Don't try to find what he says
with google, however - he regularly sets the x-no-archive flag to
avoid having a long-term record to deal with.

My post are quite easy to archive you need only to respond to them. As
for who does and doesn't tell the truth...Well, we know for a fact
that you have constantly lied about such things. So, that leaves it up
to the individual readers to make their own decisions. I can go with
that.
.




User: "Jenn"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 23 Apr 2005 08:41:24 PM
w. quotes: <<<Dutch Disaster: How Holland Destroyed Marriage>>>
This could go into a textbook as an example of bad ressoning.
Correlation does not prove causation. The fact that two things happen
at the same time (if they even did, as the post shows no cites
regarding the marriage situation there) does no prove that one causes
the other. Pos hos ergo propter hoc is still a facilcy and always will
be.
.







User: "Fritz"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 22 Apr 2005 09:34:30 AM
Cary Kittrell wrote:

In article <1114115566.659937.277400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> writes:

Jenn: <> =A0Tell you what: =A0I'll try one last simple one: =A0When did y=
ou

decide to be heterosexual?


Marksman: <<When I was 4.

I see. Could you tell me something about that day? Did you, for
example, mull it over for a time? This is a big decision. How long
did you consider the other option?


I'm equally curious if SM will tell us that he could sit down
right now, today, and change that decision, just for a lark.

Could he <SHAZAM!!> reprogram his brain and his gonads so that, from
this moment on, the funny feelings and the pleasant stirring down
there that he now gets at the sight of a nice cleavage or a
hip-swaying feminine walk -- from now on he'll experience
exactly those same reactions, but now they'll be produced
by the sight of a bulging crotch or some firm boy-buns?

He seems to be saying that he's capable of doing just.

He seems to be saying to me that, he's a twelve year old
moron that craves attention.
-- Fritz ...
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 22 Apr 2005 09:33:42 AM
"Fritz" <fsmith@bcpl.net> wrote in message
news:42690B76.CA3D90FA@bcpl.net...

Cary Kittrell wrote:

In article <1114115566.659937.277400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "Jenn"
<jennconducts@hotmail.com> writes:

Jenn: <> =A0Tell you what: =A0I'll try one last simple one: =A0When
did y=
ou

decide to be heterosexual?


Marksman: <<When I was 4.

I see. Could you tell me something about that day? Did you, for
example, mull it over for a time? This is a big decision. How long
did you consider the other option?


I'm equally curious if SM will tell us that he could sit down
right now, today, and change that decision, just for a lark.

Could he <SHAZAM!!> reprogram his brain and his gonads so that, from
this moment on, the funny feelings and the pleasant stirring down
there that he now gets at the sight of a nice cleavage or a
hip-swaying feminine walk -- from now on he'll experience
exactly those same reactions, but now they'll be produced
by the sight of a bulging crotch or some firm boy-buns?

He seems to be saying that he's capable of doing just.


He seems to be saying to me that, he's a twelve year old
moron that craves attention.

Another LIEberal with nothing but childish insults and denial of facts, no
surprise there.
.


User: "Jeff North"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 21 Apr 2005 09:41:14 PM
On 21 Apr 2005 13:26:27 -0700, in alt.politics.homosexuality "Jenn"
<jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote:

| Jenn: <<> Oh, I'm not going anywhere; I just give up on trying to
| debate you, as
| > you won't debate.
|
| Marksman: <<You mean I won't debate your strawman arguments. But I
| understand, without
| them you cannot debate at all.
|
| Whatever. The readers are left wondering why you can't answer simple
| questions. Tell you what: I'll try one last simple one: When did you
| decide to be heterosexual? I mean, such an important decision and all,
| you must remember when it was, right? That you say you made a decision
| implies that you had an option (homosexual or heterosexual.) So, when
| did you mae that choice?

Jenn I admire your patience with this sub-moron.
Sir Marksman and his ilk are the type that hires/buys porno movies
just to watch the man do his thing and is not really interested in the
female in the movie.
Has he made a choice about his sexuality - well yes - but he is in
complete denial.
---------------------------------------------------------------
jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply
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.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 22 Apr 2005 05:24:11 AM
"Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:0uog61l80381hrh8kp1pugqi9m702g138n@4ax.com...

On 21 Apr 2005 13:26:27 -0700, in alt.politics.homosexuality "Jenn"
<jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote:

| Jenn: <<> Oh, I'm not going anywhere; I just give up on trying to
| debate you, as
| > you won't debate.
|
| Marksman: <<You mean I won't debate your strawman arguments. But I
| understand, without
| them you cannot debate at all.
|
| Whatever. The readers are left wondering why you can't answer simple
| questions. Tell you what: I'll try one last simple one: When did you
| decide to be heterosexual? I mean, such an important decision and all,
| you must remember when it was, right? That you say you made a decision
| implies that you had an option (homosexual or heterosexual.) So, when
| did you mae that choice?


Jenn I admire your patience with this sub-moron.

Sir Marksman and his ilk are the type that hires/buys porno movies
just to watch the man do his thing and is not really interested in the
female in the movie.

Has he made a choice about his sexuality - well yes - but he is in
complete denial.

Typical gay, Thinks all hetros are really gays in the closet. No wonder you
gays are so screwed up.
.

User: "Jenn"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 21 Apr 2005 10:10:46 PM
Jeff: <<<Jenn I admire your patience with this sub-moron.
Thanks. I'm almost finished with him. It's interesting to see what he
does when backed into a corner, huh?
.
User: "Jeff North"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 22 Apr 2005 04:26:24 AM
On 21 Apr 2005 20:10:46 -0700, in alt.politics.homosexuality "Jenn"
<jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote:

| Jeff: <<<Jenn I admire your patience with this sub-moron.
|
| Thanks. I'm almost finished with him. It's interesting to see what he
| does when backed into a corner, huh?

Sub-morons are always backed into a corner. Why should they act any
differently when confronted with truths.
---------------------------------------------------------------
jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply
---------------------------------------------------------------
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 22 Apr 2005 05:25:09 AM
"Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:epgh61tjcees7n4v9ingtsaqp5mr78ea92@4ax.com...

On 21 Apr 2005 20:10:46 -0700, in alt.politics.homosexuality "Jenn"
<jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote:

| Jeff: <<<Jenn I admire your patience with this sub-moron.
|
| Thanks. I'm almost finished with him. It's interesting to see what he
| does when backed into a corner, huh?


Sub-morons are always backed into a corner. Why should they act any
differently when confronted with truths.

You sub humans are in denial. When do you think you'll rejoin the human
race?
You are such hatemongers. It must suck to be you.
.
User: "Bernard Hubbard"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 23 Apr 2005 11:33:44 PM
"Sir Marksman" <KKKurt_lochner@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:9i4ae.5256$XF3.2260@twister.nyroc.rr.com:


"Jeff North" <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:epgh61tjcees7n4v9ingtsaqp5mr78ea92@4ax.com...

On 21 Apr 2005 20:10:46 -0700, in alt.politics.homosexuality "Jenn"
<jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote:

| Jeff: <<<Jenn I admire your patience with this sub-moron.
|
| Thanks. I'm almost finished with him. It's interesting to see
| what he does when backed into a corner, huh?


Sub-morons are always backed into a corner. Why should they act any
differently when confronted with truths.


You sub humans are in denial. When do you think you'll rejoin the
human race?

A good lifetime before you do.


You are such hatemongers. It must suck to be you.

Hatemongers? Pot, kettle, black or words to that effect. How long have
you claimed to be human?




.





User: "Fritz"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 22 Apr 2005 09:23:20 AM
Sir Marksman wrote:

"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message


Oh, I'm not going anywhere; I just give up on trying to debate you, as
you won't debate.


You mean I won't debate your strawman arguments. But I understand, without
them you cannot debate at all.

A debate implies there are two or more points of view.
You don't have a point of view. You just want to make
stupid, insulting remarks in order to disrupt.
-- Fritz ...
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 22 Apr 2005 09:33:22 AM
"Fritz" <fsmith@bcpl.net> wrote in message
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Sir Marksman wrote:

"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message


Oh, I'm not going anywhere; I just give up on trying to debate you, as
you won't debate.


You mean I won't debate your strawman arguments. But I understand,
without
them you cannot debate at all.


A debate implies there are two or more points of view.

Wow! You KNEW that? Why is it you always REJECT any POV other than yours?
.
User: "Dionisio"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 23 Apr 2005 12:23:01 PM
Sir Marksman wrote:

"Fritz" <fsmith@bcpl.net> wrote:


A debate implies there are two or more points of view.


Wow! You KNEW that? Why is it you always REJECT any POV other than yours?


Ahem, you can stop with your self-nominations for the "Pot. Kettle.
Black. Award." They've devoted an entire ZIP Code for you already.
--
The psychotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 5 and is perfectly happy about it; the neurotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 4, but is terribly worried about it.
.
User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 23 Apr 2005 01:55:50 PM
"Dionisio" <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
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Sir Marksman wrote:

"Fritz" <fsmith@bcpl.net> wrote:

A debate implies there are two or more points of view.

Wow! You KNEW that? Why is it you always REJECT any POV other than yours?


Ahem, you can stop with your self-nominations for the "Pot. Kettle. Black.
Award."

Why would I want your award?
.




User: "Fritz"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 22 Apr 2005 09:18:31 AM
Sir Marksman wrote:

"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message

No, it's not a false premise because I'm not saying that you ARE in
this situation, I'm asking you to IMAGINE that you are in this
situation.


It starts with a false premise. Therefore it is not a valid question.

You are asking gay people to do carious things, such as
give up the fight for ssm. I'm asking you to IMAGINE what you would do
in a similar situation.


Marksman: <<<Homosexuality is a choice

I never made a choice,


Yes you did. You made a choice to become gay.

If it is indeed a choice, what does it have to do with you?
-- Fritz ...
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User: "Sir Marksman"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 22 Apr 2005 09:22:45 AM
"Fritz" <fsmith@bcpl.net> wrote in message
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Sir Marksman wrote:

"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message

No, it's not a false premise because I'm not saying that you ARE in
this situation, I'm asking you to IMAGINE that you are in this
situation.


It starts with a false premise. Therefore it is not a valid question.

You are asking gay people to do carious things, such as
give up the fight for ssm. I'm asking you to IMAGINE what you would do
in a similar situation.


Marksman: <<<Homosexuality is a choice

I never made a choice,


Yes you did. You made a choice to become gay.


If it is indeed a choice, what does it have to do with you?

It is indeed a choice. That choice caused you to become an abomination.
.
User: "Jenn"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 22 Apr 2005 08:56:25 PM
Hey Marksman, what does "to'ebah" mean to you?
.

User: "Fritz"

Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays 22 Apr 2005 10:15:46 AM
Sir Marksman wrote:

"Fritz" <fsmith@bcpl.net> wrote in message
news:426907B7.64032F31@bcpl.net...

Sir Marksman wrote:

"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message

No, it's not a false premise because I'm not saying that you ARE in
this situation, I'm asking you to IMAGINE that you are in this
situation.


It starts with a false premise. Therefore it is not a valid question.

You are asking gay people to do carious things, such as
give up the fight for ssm. I'm asking you to IMAGINE what you would do
in a similar situation.


Marksman: <<<Homosexuality is a choice

I never made a choice,


Yes you did. You made a choice to become gay.


If it is indeed a choice, what does it have to do with you?

It is indeed a choice. That choice caused you to become an abomination.

Again, how does this have anything to do with you?
-- Fritz ...
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