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"J Young" |
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28 Mar 2005 11:47:58 AM |
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ACLU sues for gays' benefits |
Why would any man need another man to provide him with health care
benefits? The advantage of gay partnerships is that there are no
children at home that need attending. Let each man provide his own
health care, just like single straight people do. This notion that one
guy stays home and plays "Donna Reed" while the other one goes to work
should not become a burden on the American health care system. The
people of Michigan (and many other states) have spoken; No gay
marriage. Stop seeking "special" dispensations just because your
different.
http://www.freep.com/news/mich/gay22e_20050322.htm
Despite marriage ban, couples want health care
The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit Monday asking the
courts to protect same-sex couples' health benefits in light of a state
constitutional ban on gay marriage.
In the suit, filed in Ingham County Circuit Court, the ACLU asked the
court to stipulate that the ban on gay marriage does not extend to
health care benefits for same-sex partners. The amendment, they said,
is ambiguous.
The ACLU filed the suit less than a week after state Attorney General
Mike Cox issued his legal interpretation about what effect the
amendment should have on health benefits. He concluded that the
amendment bans government agencies from extending benefits to same-sex
couples in any future contract negotiations.
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| User: "Jenn" |
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04 May 2005 09:19:39 AM |
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Attempting to sober up but failing, Marksman posted: <<"The modern
definition of a racist: someone who is winning an argument
with Jenn." Sir Marksman (2005) >>>
This, of course, makes no sense, since I have never called anyone here
a racist, but, whatever. Par for the perverbial course....
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04 May 2005 09:27:06 AM |
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Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
"The modern definition of a racist:
"The modern definition of a racist: someone who is winning an argument
with Jenn." Sir Marksman (2005)
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| User: "Clave" |
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03 May 2005 11:26:26 PM |
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"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Can anyone figure out what point Marksman is trying to make?
No.
HTH,
Jim
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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03 May 2005 07:08:16 PM |
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Jenn wrote:
Can anyone figure out what point Marksman is trying to make?
Don't think he needs one. It's enough that he has one. (It's a shame
about the location, but, well...)
Personally, I've noted that responses to him tend to make my junk mail
filter spike.
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The psychotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 5 and is perfectly happy about it; the neurotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 4, but is terribly worried about it.
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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03 May 2005 06:57:36 PM |
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On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:28:59 -0700, "Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com>
wrote in message
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Can anyone figure out what point Marksman is trying to make?
Nope. Just kill-file him. He hates being ignored.
--
Funny Lurlean quote #28:
"God is a watching your butt hole at all times and will note ANY disobedience of
His laws."
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for gays' benefits |
09 May 2005 05:17:37 PM |
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Bill Baker wrote:
"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote:
Can anyone figure out what point Marksman is trying to make?
Nope. Just kill-file him. He hates being ignored.
Personally, I like paying attention to he and his ilk. Why? Curiously
they either shut up, turn parrot, or go completely bonkers -- relatively
speaking of course -- when caught in a lie. Each have their own amusements.
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The psychotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 5 and is perfectly happy about it; the neurotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 4, but is terribly worried about it.
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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10 May 2005 07:20:28 AM |
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On Mon, 09 May 2005 22:17:37 +0000, Dionisio <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com>
wrote in message news:<5kRfe.19493$i1.7893@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>...
Bill Baker wrote:
"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote:
Can anyone figure out what point Marksman is trying to make?
Nope. Just kill-file him. He hates being ignored.
Personally, I like paying attention to he and his ilk. Why? Curiously they
either shut up, turn parrot, or go completely bonkers
Marksman has already done the last two. Literally.
-- relatively speaking of course -- when caught in a lie. Each have
their own amusements.
To each his own. I like doing to them the thing they hate the most.
--
Lurlean Lie #39:
"Try telling him to add something you know is true to his lie file. He hates
me so much he'll do it."
news:1109819751.602773.80950@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Maverick" |
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03 May 2005 05:55:59 PM |
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"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1115160545.801858.318070@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Maverick quotes undisclosed source: <<In 1973, the American
Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality as
a
mental disorder from the APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual Of
Mental
Disorders (DSM-II).
This decision was a significant .....>>>
It's difficult to know where to begin on this convoluted tome. For one
thing, supposed info on the "inside job" is supplied by an unnamed
informat. We are to trust that? Second, if the "inside job" was in
place by the American Psychiatric Association, what is to account for
similar findings by the American Psycological Assn, the American
Medical Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the
Academy of Pediatrics, and on and on? Are all of these learned
associations also in on the big fix? Are there other witnesses to what
Bayer discribes in 1970? I've certainly never read any. Socarides is a
whole story himself, of course. The leader of NARTH, unable to "cure"
his own gay son. The questions abound. And where is the information
on the alleged payoff?
You don't have to begin at all. Like I said, just hide and watch. (that's
and old farmers phrase meaning just wait and see).
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"And once activist judges find themselves freed from the constraints imposed
by the Constitution, there will be no practicable limit to the Court's
reach."
--- Robert Yates September 17, 1787
Maverick
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| User: "Jenn" |
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03 May 2005 06:09:42 PM |
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Again, where is the "buy off"? Who died?
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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03 May 2005 06:13:25 PM |
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"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
"The modern definition of a racist:
"The modern definition of a racist: someone who is winning an argument
with Jenn." Sir Marksman (2005)
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| User: "Maverick" |
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04 May 2005 07:11:52 AM |
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"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1115161782.010064.10380@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Again, where is the "buy off"? Who died?
Here is the story of the death. The story about how he bought off, or
blackmailed would be a better word, the APA will probably be coming to light
in the next month or so. If it proves to be true, it is going to blow the
lid off the homosexual agenda.
washingtonpost.com
Gay Rights Pioneer Jack Nichols, 67, Dies
The Associated Press
Monday, May 2, 2005; 7:29 PM
COCOA BEACH, Fla. -- Jack Nichols, a writer and editor who was a pioneering
member of the gay rights movement in the United States, died Monday. He was
67.
Nichols died at Cape Canaveral Hospital of complications from cancer,
according to his friend, Steve Yates, who said Nichols had the disease for
20 years.
"Jack was among the gay pioneers who stepped out of a debilitating closet
and helped crack the cocoon of invisibility," said Malcolm Lazin, executive
director of Equality Forum, a Philadelphia-based gay rights group.
Nichols helped found chapters of the Mattachine Society, an early support
group for gays, in Florida and Washington, D.C., in the early and mid-1960s.
He also helped plan some of the nation's first gay and lesbian civil rights
demonstrations, including a protest outside Philadelphia's Independence Hall
on July 4, 1965.
In addition, Nichols was among the first gay activists to challenge the
American Psychiatric Association's position that homosexuality was a mental
illness.
In 1967, he appeared as a self-identified gay male in a CBS documentary on
homosexuality, Lazin said.
From 1969 to 1973, Nichols and his partner, the late Lige Clark, were
editors of GAY, America's first gay weekly newspaper. The two also wrote a
nonfiction memoir called "I Have More Fun with You than Anybody."
Nichols wrote other books including "Men's Liberation: A New Definition of
Masculinity" and "The Gay Agenda: Talking Back to the Fundamentalists." His
most recent book, published last year, was "The Tomcat Chronicles: Erotic
Adventures of a Gay Liberation Pioneer."
From 1997 to 2004, he edited the Internet news magazine GayToday.com.
"Everyone who met him felt like he was there for just them," said Yates, his
friend since 1962, when the two met in Miami. "Beyond gay rights, he was a
human rights advocate. That was his true goal."
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"And once activist judges find themselves freed from the constraints imposed
by the Constitution, there will be no practicable limit to the Court's
reach."
--- Robert Yates September 17, 1787
Maverick
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| User: "Maverick" |
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04 May 2005 07:16:30 AM |
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"Maverick" <justgopublic@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:c_2ee.47269$4J5.29949@fe04!news.easynews.com...
"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1115161782.010064.10380@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Again, where is the "buy off"? Who died?
Here is the story of the death. The story about how he bought off, or
blackmailed would be a better word, the APA will probably be coming to
light
in the next month or so. If it proves to be true, it is going to blow the
lid off the homosexual agenda.
washingtonpost.com
Gay Rights Pioneer Jack Nichols, 67, Dies
The Associated Press
Monday, May 2, 2005; 7:29 PM
COCOA BEACH, Fla. -- Jack Nichols, a writer and editor who was a
pioneering
member of the gay rights movement in the United States, died Monday. He
was
67.
Nichols died at Cape Canaveral Hospital of complications from cancer,
according to his friend, Steve Yates, who said Nichols had the disease for
20 years.
"Jack was among the gay pioneers who stepped out of a debilitating closet
and helped crack the cocoon of invisibility," said Malcolm Lazin,
executive
director of Equality Forum, a Philadelphia-based gay rights group.
Nichols helped found chapters of the Mattachine Society, an early support
group for gays, in Florida and Washington, D.C., in the early and
mid-1960s.
He also helped plan some of the nation's first gay and lesbian civil
rights
demonstrations, including a protest outside Philadelphia's Independence
Hall
on July 4, 1965.
In addition, Nichols was among the first gay activists to challenge the
American Psychiatric Association's position that homosexuality was a
mental
illness.
In 1967, he appeared as a self-identified gay male in a CBS documentary on
homosexuality, Lazin said.
From 1969 to 1973, Nichols and his partner, the late Lige Clark, were
editors of GAY, America's first gay weekly newspaper. The two also wrote a
nonfiction memoir called "I Have More Fun with You than Anybody."
Nichols wrote other books including "Men's Liberation: A New Definition of
Masculinity" and "The Gay Agenda: Talking Back to the Fundamentalists."
His
most recent book, published last year, was "The Tomcat Chronicles: Erotic
Adventures of a Gay Liberation Pioneer."
From 1997 to 2004, he edited the Internet news magazine GayToday.com.
"Everyone who met him felt like he was there for just them," said Yates,
his
friend since 1962, when the two met in Miami. "Beyond gay rights, he was a
human rights advocate. That was his true goal."
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"And once activist judges find themselves freed from the constraints
imposed
by the Constitution, there will be no practicable limit to the Court's
reach."
--- Robert Yates September 17, 1787
Maverick
Here is a little more that will add to the mystery:
"Here, nine individuals are featured, seven of whom are still living. The
exceptions include Lige Clark, who was mysteriously machine-gunned down at a
roadblock outside Monterey, Mexico, in 1975. He and his lover, Jack Nichols,
who writes about Clark, founded GAY, the first weekly newspaper of its kind,
in 1969. The other individual featured in this section who is no longer
living is Robert A. Martin, the founder of the first gay student
organization (The Student Homophile League). He died of AIDS just a week
short of his 50th birthday."
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for gays' benefits |
09 May 2005 05:34:24 PM |
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Maverick wrote:
Here is the story of the death. The story about how he bought off, or
blackmailed would be a better word, the APA will probably be coming to light
in the next month or so. If it proves to be true, it is going to blow the
lid off the homosexual agenda.
Huh. Thought Robertson already did that: "Kill the kids and practice
witchcraft" or some such.
Ain't that why they're picketing Disney Land? Micky was a sorcerer's
apprentice.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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09 May 2005 10:20:54 PM |
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"Dionisio" <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
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Maverick wrote:
Here is the story of the death. The story about how he bought off, or
blackmailed would be a better word, the APA will probably be coming to
light
in the next month or so. If it proves to be true, it is going to blow the
lid off the homosexual agenda.
Huh. Thought Robertson already did that: "Kill the kids and practice
witchcraft" or some such.
No, that's the lie he was telling about the N.O.W.
Or was it Falwell?
Is there really any difference between the 2?
Ain't that why they're picketing Disney Land? Micky was a sorcerer's
apprentice.
Nah - it's because Disney refuses to be as bigoted as they are towards gays.
Susan
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The psychotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 5 and is perfectly happy
about it; the neurotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 4, but is terribly
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04 May 2005 09:22:49 AM |
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Maverick: <<<Here is the story of the death. The story about how he
bought off, or
blackmailed would be a better word, the APA will probably be coming to
light
in the next month or so.>>>
I see. You make sure to let us know when that happens, OK?
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04 May 2005 09:30:02 AM |
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"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Maverick: <<<Here is the story of the death. The story about how he
bought off, or
blackmailed would be a better word, the APA will probably be coming to
light
in the next month or so.>>>
I see. You make sure to let us know when that happens, OK?
Oh, if it happens, you and the whole world of homosexuals will know, I bet.
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"And once activist judges find themselves freed from the constraints imposed
by the Constitution, there will be no practicable limit to the Court's
reach."
--- Robert Yates September 17, 1787
Maverick
http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/
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04 May 2005 09:40:38 AM |
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Mav: > Maverick: <<<Here is the story of the death. The story about
how he
bought off, or
blackmailed would be a better word, the APA will probably be coming
to
light
in the next month or so.>>>
Jenn: <> I see. You make sure to let us know when that happens, OK?
Mav: <<Oh, if it happens, you and the whole world of homosexuals will
know, I bet.
Yes, and if Marksman ever starts telling the truth, we'll all know that
as well. The chances of those two things happening are slim and none.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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04 May 2005 10:16:28 AM |
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"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Mav: > Maverick: <<<Here is the story of the death. The story about
how he
bought off, or
blackmailed would be a better word, the APA will probably be coming
to
light
in the next month or so.>>>
Jenn: <> I see. You make sure to let us know when that happens, OK?
Mav: <<Oh, if it happens, you and the whole world of homosexuals will
know, I bet.
Yes, and if Marksman ever starts telling the truth,
I always tell the truth, unlike you.
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04 May 2005 03:37:25 PM |
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Marksman: <<<I always tell the truth, unlike you.
LOL So let's see if you will actually stand up for your words and
"tell the truth": Why did you lie and call me a racist?
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04 May 2005 04:17:31 PM |
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"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Marksman: <<<I always tell the truth, unlike you.
LOL
I am glad you admit to being a LIAR.
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04 May 2005 03:42:04 PM |
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Jenn wrote:
Marksman: <<<I always tell the truth, unlike you.
LOL So let's see if you will actually stand up for your words and
"tell the truth": Why did you lie and call me a racist?
Gee, if he actually answer this, you should play the lotto and hunt for
the easter bunny :)
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04 May 2005 03:45:29 PM |
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Mickey: <<Gee, if he actually answer this, you should play the lotto
and hunt for
the easter bunny :)
No kidding! I'm sorry to all of the sane people here for "feeding the
troll" and I promise that it will soon stop. But it's like a science
experiement: I really want to know if he will EVER admit that this is
a lie.
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04 May 2005 03:50:31 PM |
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Jenn wrote:
Mickey: <<Gee, if he actually answer this, you should play the lotto
and hunt for
the easter bunny :)
No kidding! I'm sorry to all of the sane people here for "feeding
the
troll" and I promise that it will soon stop. But it's like a science
experiement: I really want to know if he will EVER admit that this
is
a lie.
Nah, he will just start posting the same line over and over and over. I
truly believe he is mentally challenged. My wife is a shrink, and has
told me of a condition (the name of which I cannot regurgitate at the
moment) which causes this phenomenon. I tortured him for a little
while, andthen K/F'd him as a public service.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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04 May 2005 09:27:15 AM |
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Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
"The modern definition of a racist:
"The modern definition of a racist: someone who is winning an argument
with Jenn." Sir Marksman (2005)
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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09 May 2005 05:36:49 PM |
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Sir Marksman wrote:
"The modern definition of a racist: someone who is winning an argument
with Jenn." Sir Marksman (2005)
All right already... You couldn't possibly be a racist. We get the picture.
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| User: "Jenn" |
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09 May 2005 11:15:34 PM |
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<<<Sir Marksman wrote:
"The modern definition of a racist: someone who is winning an
argument
with Jenn." Sir Marksman (2005)
Dionisio: <<All right already... You couldn't possibly be a racist. We
get the picture.
It was so weird how he felt comforable with calling someone a racist,
and then not be willing to support his serious charge.
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10 May 2005 12:29:30 AM |
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"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<<<Sir Marksman wrote:
"The modern definition of a racist: someone who is winning an
argument
with Jenn." Sir Marksman (2005)
Dionisio: <<All right already... You couldn't possibly be a racist. We
get the picture.
It was so weird how he felt comforable with calling someone a racist,
and then not be willing to support his serious charge.
It's not weird coming from him - he does that w/all his xharges.
Susan
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09 May 2005 10:21:20 PM |
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"Dionisio" <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
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Sir Marksman wrote:
"The modern definition of a racist: someone who is winning an argument
with Jenn." Sir Marksman (2005)
All right already... You couldn't possibly be a racist. We get the
picture.
Well, we get the picture that he's far more delusional than most of us could
have imagined....
Susan
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The psychotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 5 and is perfectly happy
about it; the neurotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 4, but is terribly
worried about it.
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04 May 2005 07:16:24 AM |
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On Wed, 04 May 2005 12:11:52 +0000, "Maverick"
<justgopublic@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:<c_2ee.47269$4J5.29949@fe04!news.easynews.com>...
"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1115161782.010064.10380@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Again, where is the "buy off"? Who died?
Here is the story of the death. The story about how he bought off, or
blackmailed would be a better word, the APA will probably be coming to
light in the next month or so. If it proves to be true, it is going to
blow the lid off the homosexual agenda.
No more than atheism died when Madalyn Murray O'Hair did.
--
Lurlean Lie #10:
I'm sure old Curt-See-Bare (deep throats) all the time.
news:7908c278.0310151920.29215c3f@posting.google.com
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04 May 2005 09:02:01 AM |
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On Wed, 04 May 2005 12:11:52 GMT, "Maverick"
<justgopublic@sbcglobal.com> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
Here is the story of the death. The story about how he bought off, or
blackmailed would be a better word, the APA will probably be coming to light
in the next month or so. If it proves to be true, it is going to blow the
lid off the homosexual agenda.
"probably" "proves to be true"
So, you admit that you have no actual proof?
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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