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"J Young" |
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28 Mar 2005 11:47:58 AM |
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ACLU sues for gays' benefits |
Why would any man need another man to provide him with health care
benefits? The advantage of gay partnerships is that there are no
children at home that need attending. Let each man provide his own
health care, just like single straight people do. This notion that one
guy stays home and plays "Donna Reed" while the other one goes to work
should not become a burden on the American health care system. The
people of Michigan (and many other states) have spoken; No gay
marriage. Stop seeking "special" dispensations just because your
different.
http://www.freep.com/news/mich/gay22e_20050322.htm
Despite marriage ban, couples want health care
The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit Monday asking the
courts to protect same-sex couples' health benefits in light of a state
constitutional ban on gay marriage.
In the suit, filed in Ingham County Circuit Court, the ACLU asked the
court to stipulate that the ban on gay marriage does not extend to
health care benefits for same-sex partners. The amendment, they said,
is ambiguous.
The ACLU filed the suit less than a week after state Attorney General
Mike Cox issued his legal interpretation about what effect the
amendment should have on health benefits. He concluded that the
amendment bans government agencies from extending benefits to same-sex
couples in any future contract negotiations.
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| User: "Jenn" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for gays' benefits |
19 Apr 2005 09:57:38 AM |
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Marksman: <<<How LIEberal of you to DELETE the parts of my post you
didn't like.
Thanks again for proving me correct SATAN worshiper! >>>
The sane reader sees that this poster is exactly what he accuses others
of being: overly emotional.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
19 Apr 2005 10:20:50 AM |
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"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Marksman: <<<How LIEberal of you to DELETE the parts of my post you
didn't like.
Thanks again for proving me correct SATAN worshiper! >>>
The sane reader sees that this poster is exactly what he accuses others
of being: overly emotional.
Sane readers will see you have no intentions of RATIONAL debate.
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| User: "Kurt Lochner Weasel Remember!" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
19 Apr 2005 10:36:09 AM |
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Shrill Narksman <gerrymcg@maine.rr.com> was again frightened by:
Jenn replied:
Marksman: <<<How LIEberal of you to DELETE the parts of my post you
didn't like. Thanks again for proving me correct SATAN worshiper! >>>
The sane reader sees that this poster is exactly what he accuses
others of being: overly emotional.
Sane readers will see[..]
But not you, eh? What a <l>user.. *>LOL!<*
From : Gerry <gerrymcg@maine.rr.com>
Reply-To : "Gerry" <gerrymcg@maine.rr.com>
Sent : Thursday, December 23, 2004 7:07 AM
To : <kurt_lochner@hotmail.com>
Subject : Re: ~ WELCOME TO BUSH'S NEW NAZI AMERICA! ~
Fascist "KKKurt Lochner (Weasels are scumbags!)"
<kurt_lochner@hotmail.com> whined again:..
Why are you still forging posts fascist boy? It appears your
posts can't stand upon any merits of their own, therefore
you have to forge other's posts to make yourself "feel" better
about yourself.
How typical of a fascist like yourself.
I pity you.
</end>
Have a nice day, and thanks for the e-mail.. *>LOL!<*
--"Sour Narksman" now traces to cpe-204-210-82-159.maine.res.rr.com
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| User: "Fritz" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
20 Apr 2005 01:36:48 PM |
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Sir Marksman wrote:
"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1113922658.509910.47660@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Marksman: <<<How LIEberal of you to DELETE the parts of my post you
didn't like.
Thanks again for proving me correct SATAN worshiper! >>>
The sane reader sees that this poster is exactly what he accuses others
of being: overly emotional.
Sane readers will see you have no intentions of RATIONAL debate.
Like Sir Marksman. ......
-- Fritz ...
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
20 Apr 2005 02:52:24 PM |
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"Fritz" <Don't@mind.net> wrote in message news:4266A13F.36954F3C@mind.net...
Sir Marksman wrote:
"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1113922658.509910.47660@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Marksman: <<<How LIEberal of you to DELETE the parts of my post you
didn't like.
Thanks again for proving me correct SATAN worshiper! >>>
The sane reader sees that this poster is exactly what he accuses others
of being: overly emotional.
Sane readers will see you have no intentions of RATIONAL debate.
Like me. ......
Just like you!
ROFL!
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
22 Apr 2005 10:48:30 PM |
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Fritz wrote:
Sir Marksman wrote:
Sane readers will see you have no intentions of RATIONAL debate.
Like Sir Marksman. ......
I don't know why he goes out of his way to note he's a "Sir." Americans
are forbidden from accepting British titles after all...
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The psychotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 5 and is perfectly happy about it; the neurotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 4, but is terribly worried about it.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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23 Apr 2005 04:48:56 AM |
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"Dionisio" <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
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Fritz wrote:
Sir Marksman wrote:
Sane readers will see you have no intentions of RATIONAL debate.
Like Sir Marksman. ......
I don't know why he goes out of his way to note he's a "Sir." Americans
are forbidden from accepting British titles after all...
Little do you know.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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23 Apr 2005 12:38:01 PM |
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Sir Marksman wrote:
"Dionisio" <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
I don't know why he goes out of his way to note he's a "Sir." Americans
are forbidden from accepting British titles after all...
Little do you know.
Well, if you're not American, you don't matter. Right? Odd that you seem
to be posting from New York. Missed the "New" part did we? (Or does that
nyroc part of your address stand for New York Republic of Canada?)
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The psychotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 5 and is perfectly happy about it; the neurotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 4, but is terribly worried about it.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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23 Apr 2005 01:57:34 PM |
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"Dionisio" <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
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Sir Marksman wrote:
"Dionisio" <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
I don't know why he goes out of his way to note he's a "Sir." Americans
are forbidden from accepting British titles after all...
Little do you know.
Well, if you're not American, you don't matter.
How cute. Now, did you have anything worthwhile to post?
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for gays' benefits |
19 Apr 2005 08:21:28 PM |
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Sir Marksman wrote:
How LIEberal of you to DELETE the parts of my post you didn't like.
<LOL> Pot. Kettle. Black.
By the by, I tend to reduce my posts to the salient points. It's a
bizarre phenomenon known as netiquette.
We each engage in it -- well the deletion part if not the netiquette --
but you want your instances to be seen as a virtue, and mine to be seen
as Satan worship... "Dr Freud, your slip is showing."
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The psychotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 5 and is perfectly happy about it; the neurotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 4, but is terribly worried about it.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for special benefits for gays |
19 Apr 2005 09:17:23 PM |
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"Dionisio" <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message ...
Sir Marksman wrote:
How LIEberal of you to DELETE the parts of my post you didn't like.
<LOL>
Glad to see you admit to deleting parts you don't like.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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22 Apr 2005 10:26:27 PM |
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Sir Marksman wrote:
"Dionisio" <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message ...
Sir Marksman wrote:
How LIEberal of you to DELETE the parts of my post you didn't like.
<LOL>
Glad to see you admit to deleting parts you don't like.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
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The psychotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 5 and is perfectly happy about it; the neurotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 4, but is terribly worried about it.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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23 Apr 2005 04:46:00 AM |
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"Dionisio" <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
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Sir Marksman wrote:
"Dionisio" <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message ...
Sir Marksman wrote:
How LIEberal of you to DELETE the parts of my post you didn't like.
<LOL>
Glad to see you admit to deleting parts you don't like.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Heal thyself.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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23 Apr 2005 12:27:39 PM |
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Sir Marksman wrote:
Heal thyself.
Cool! Drugs!
Say, haven't I been "plonked" twice now?
("I'll have what he's having.")
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The psychotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 5 and is perfectly happy about it; the neurotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 4, but is terribly worried about it.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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23 Apr 2005 01:56:07 PM |
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"Dionisio" <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
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Sir Marksman wrote:
Heal thyself.
Cool! Drugs!
How cute. Now, did you have anything worthwhile to post?
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| User: "Fritz" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU sues for gays' benefits |
17 Apr 2005 10:43:38 AM |
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Maverick wrote:
"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1113676698.685723.89260@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
<<<There is plenty of evidence. Homosexuals just refuse to acknowledge
it. Just
start with the harm caused to the Father of a homosexual that is
devastated
because the chances of the family name that he is so proud of being
carried
forward is pretty much nil, and the ridicule he must suffer from his
peers
and the loss of respect for his "manhood" he feels.
Just curious: do you believe that since a gay man cannot marry his
mate, he will somehow become heterosexual? If not, what's your point?
My point is that it is dishonest to claim no one is harmed by homosexuality.
And my further point is that homosexuals refuse to acknowledge that people
are harmed because they are to cowardly to confront those harms they cause.
They had rather hide their heads in the sand and pretend the harm does not
exist rather than contend with them.
Right, you should come out and tell everybody that you're
hiding you head in the sand, like Maverick does.
-- Fritz ...
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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16 Apr 2005 08:56:10 PM |
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Maverick wrote:
My point is that it is dishonest to claim no one is harmed by
homosexuality.
All right. So you are "harmed" by homosexuality. There. It's out in the
open. Now, would you care to bleed somewhere else? It's ruining the decor.
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The psychotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 5 and is perfectly happy about it; the neurotic person knows that 2 and 2 makes 4, but is terribly worried about it.
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| User: "RainLover" |
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18 Apr 2005 07:49:11 AM |
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 00:19:07 GMT, "Maverick" <justgopub...@nomail.com>
wrote:
"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1113676698.685723.89260@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
<<<There is plenty of evidence. Homosexuals just refuse to acknowledge
it. Just
start with the harm caused to the Father of a homosexual that is
devastated
because the chances of the family name that he is so proud of being
carried
forward is pretty much nil, and the ridicule he must suffer from his
peers
and the loss of respect for his "manhood" he feels.
Just curious: do you believe that since a gay man cannot marry his
mate, he will somehow become heterosexual? If not, what's your point?
My point is that it is dishonest to claim no one is harmed by homosexuality.
And my further point is that homosexuals refuse to acknowledge that people
are harmed because they are to cowardly to confront those harms they cause.
They had rather hide their heads in the sand and pretend the harm does not
exist rather than contend with them.
What about all the bigoted Southern fathers who commit suicide when
their beautiful white son marries a '*****' or a 'chink' or a
whatever else they may call 'unwhite' women? Shall we use THOSE
statistics to bring back the pre - Lovely v.Virgina racial laws about
interracial marriages?
(I'm sure you'll say no, athough, for some reason, I think you wish
they would.)
James, Seattle
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| User: "Maverick" |
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18 Apr 2005 07:52:34 AM |
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"RainLover" <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 00:19:07 GMT, "Maverick" <justgopub...@nomail.com>
wrote:
"Jenn" <jennconducts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1113676698.685723.89260@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
<<<There is plenty of evidence. Homosexuals just refuse to acknowledge
it. Just
start with the harm caused to the Father of a homosexual that is
devastated
because the chances of the family name that he is so proud of being
carried
forward is pretty much nil, and the ridicule he must suffer from his
peers
and the loss of respect for his "manhood" he feels.
Just curious: do you believe that since a gay man cannot marry his
mate, he will somehow become heterosexual? If not, what's your point?
My point is that it is dishonest to claim no one is harmed by
homosexuality.
And my further point is that homosexuals refuse to acknowledge that people
are harmed because they are to cowardly to confront those harms they
cause.
They had rather hide their heads in the sand and pretend the harm does not
exist rather than contend with them.
What about all the bigoted Southern fathers who commit suicide when
their beautiful white son marries a '*****' or a 'chink' or a
whatever else they may call 'unwhite' women? Shall we use THOSE
statistics to bring back the pre - Lovely v.Virgina racial laws about
interracial marriages?
(I'm sure you'll say no, athough, for some reason, I think you wish
they would.)
James, Seattle
I'm sure you would claim that those suicides are not "harm". As for your
rhetorical questions, I'll give them they credence they are due. PLONK
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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16 Apr 2005 09:40:05 AM |
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Maverick wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:12:03 GMT, "Maverick" <justgopub...@nomail.com>
wrote:
<snip>
There is plenty of evidence. Homosexuals just refuse to acknowledge it.
The "evidence" I have seen comes from religionists and right-wing
nutters with an agenda. There is no evidence that I know of that comes
from recent, mainstream, peer-reviewed scientific journals. Feel free
to post citations to prove me wrong.
Just start with the harm caused to the Father of a homosexual that is
devastated because the chances of the family name that he is so proud of
being carried forward is pretty much nil,
Since when is there any legal obligation to carry forward the family
name? what about societies where men take on the woman's family name?
or retain their family name after marriage?
and the ridicule he must
suffer from his peers and the loss of respect for his "manhood" he
feels.
The ridicule and loss of respect come from social stigma towards
homosexuals. When homosexuality is seen as the harmless variant in
sexual orientation that it is... and society grows up and accepts it,
these issues will disappear.
Many of these Fathers commit suicide. There are statistics for
these things but like I said, homosexuals refuse to acknowledge them and
when you bring them to the fore, you are bombarded with temper tantrums
and called all kinds of names.
Then by all means post these statistics provided they are from the
recent, mainstream, peer-reviewed scientific literature or from
verifiable government sources. Besides, removing the artificial social
stigma on homosexuals will solve this "problem".
There are many other harms. There is the
harm in higher healthcare costs.
I fail to see where the higher costs come from [unless your diatribe is
USA specific and that is a "user pays" system]. In the case of my
brother and his husband [they are legally married], they both go to the
gym regularly and are in excellent health... and both pay into the
healthcare insurance system subsidizing all of those heterosexuals with
medical problems [like million dollar premie babies for example].
There is the harm in higher insurance
costs.
How so? Since insurance is generally something that individual
contract for an pay for according to their needs and budget.... where
are the higher costs? Feel free to post verifiable citations from
reputable sources.
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
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16 Apr 2005 12:16:51 PM |
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Maverick wrote:
[snip]
Just start with the harm caused to the Father of a homosexual that is
devastated because the chances of the family name that he is so proud of
being carried forward is pretty much nil,
Since when is there any legal obligation to carry forward the family name?
what about societies where men take on the woman's family name? or retain
their family name after marriage?
Not to mention couples who produce only female offspring.
I have to admit that ***** 'Maverick' deserves credit for coming up with
an original straw.
[snip]
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16 Apr 2005 01:19:27 PM |
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"Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote in message
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Maverick wrote:
[snip]
Just start with the harm caused to the Father of a homosexual that is
devastated because the chances of the family name that he is so proud of
being carried forward is pretty much nil,
Since when is there any legal obligation to carry forward the family
name?
Legal smeagle. The OP asked about harm, not legality.
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"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of
opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. ... A
wise and frugal government...shall not take from the mouth of labor the
bread it has earned. ... Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for
the general welfare but only those specifically enumerated. ... Would
it not be better to simplify the system of taxation rather than to
spread it over such a variety of subjects and pass through so many new
hands?" --Thomas Jefferson
Maverick
http://www.independent.org/
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16 Apr 2005 01:18:53 PM |
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"Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote in message
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Maverick wrote:
[snip]
Just start with the harm caused to the Father of a homosexual that is
devastated because the chances of the family name that he is so proud of
being carried forward is pretty much nil,
Since when is there any legal obligation to carry forward the family
name? what about societies where men take on the woman's family name? or
retain their family name after marriage?
Not to mention couples who produce only female offspring.
I have to admit that *****
I reject the only rebuttle homosexuals know how to use, name calling. PLONK
--
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of
opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. ... A
wise and frugal government...shall not take from the mouth of labor the
bread it has earned. ... Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for
the general welfare but only those specifically enumerated. ... Would
it not be better to simplify the system of taxation rather than to
spread it over such a variety of subjects and pass through so many new
hands?" --Thomas Jefferson
Maverick
http://www.independent.org/
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| User: "Fritz" |
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16 Apr 2005 02:04:09 PM |
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Maverick wrote:
"Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote in message
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OOKdnctNj-lZvvzfRVn-iQ@golden.net...
Maverick wrote:
[snip]
Just start with the harm caused to the Father of a homosexual that is
devastated because the chances of the family name that he is so proud of
being carried forward is pretty much nil,
Since when is there any legal obligation to carry forward the family
name? what about societies where men take on the woman's family name? or
retain their family name after marriage?
Not to mention couples who produce only female offspring.
I have to admit that *****
I reject the only rebuttle homosexuals know how to use, name calling. PLONK
Your very name invokes name calling.
-- Fritz ...
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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16 Apr 2005 05:16:09 PM |
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"Fritz" <Who@cares?.net> wrote in message
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Maverick wrote:
"Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote in message
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OOKdnctNj-lZvvzfRVn-iQ@golden.net...
Maverick wrote:
[snip]
Just start with the harm caused to the Father of a homosexual that is
devastated because the chances of the family name that he is so proud
of
being carried forward is pretty much nil,
Since when is there any legal obligation to carry forward the family
name? what about societies where men take on the woman's family name?
or
retain their family name after marriage?
Not to mention couples who produce only female offspring.
I have to admit that *****
I reject the only rebuttle homosexuals know how to use, name calling.
PLONK
Your very name invokes name calling.
And he wonders why everyone has him KF'd.
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| User: "Boy Toy" |
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16 Apr 2005 06:23:30 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:16:09 GMT, "Dennis Kemmerer"
<dk@suespammers.org> wrote in message
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"Fritz" <Who@cares?.net> wrote in message
news:Lid8e.15$164.3859@news.abs.net...
Maverick wrote:
"Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote in message
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OOKdnctNj-lZvvzfRVn-iQ@golden.net...
Maverick wrote:
[snip]
Just start with the harm caused to the Father of a homosexual that is
devastated because the chances of the family name that he is so proud
of
being carried forward is pretty much nil,
Since when is there any legal obligation to carry forward the family
name? what about societies where men take on the woman's family name?
or
retain their family name after marriage?
Not to mention couples who produce only female offspring.
I have to admit that *****
I reject the only rebuttle homosexuals know how to use, name calling.
PLONK
Your very name invokes name calling.
And he wonders why everyone has him KF'd.
Maverick's "plonks" mean nothing. I don't think he knows what it
means, in spite of his pretentiousness.
--
Boy Toy
Toxic Toyz 4 Nasty Boyz
http://www.boytoyvideos.com
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| User: "Fritz" |
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17 Apr 2005 10:41:13 AM |
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Boy Toy wrote:
I reject the only rebuttle homosexuals know how to use, name calling.
PLONK
Your very name invokes name calling.
And he wonders why everyone has him KF'd.
Maverick's "plonks" mean nothing. I don't think he knows what it
means, in spite of his pretentiousness.
I think he's doing the right thing, for him. After all,
he can't allow anyone to question his stupid remarks.
It is an effective shield against any kind of comeback.
-- Fritz ...
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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16 Apr 2005 12:37:47 PM |
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Dennis Kemmerer <dk@suespammers.org> wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OOKdnctNj-lZvvzfRVn-iQ@golden.net...
Maverick wrote:
[snip]
Just start with the harm caused to the Father of a homosexual that
is devastated because the chances of the family name that he is so
proud of being carried forward is pretty much nil,
Since when is there any legal obligation to carry forward the family
name? what about societies where men take on the woman's family
name? or retain their family name after marriage?
Not to mention couples who produce only female offspring.
I have to admit that ***** 'Maverick' deserves credit for coming up
with an original straw.
[snip]
It's not new, but it is rarely used. Don West came up with that one way
back in 1997 or 1998. Of course, Maverick may well be the same person as
Don West, it's hard to tell.
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."
Albert Einstein
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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16 Apr 2005 10:48:15 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 13:30:37 GMT, "Maverick" <justgopub...@nomail.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
There is plenty of evidence. Homosexuals just refuse to acknowledge it. Just
start with the harm caused to the Father of a homosexual that is devastated
because the chances of the family name that he is so proud of being carried
forward is pretty much nil, and the ridicule he must suffer from his peers
and the loss of respect for his "manhood" he feels.
LOL! Oh, please. What about Jewish fathers whose sons leave the
faith? Should we outlaw changing religions? How about when dad
expects junior to come into the family business, but junior decides to
have a different career?
I know one gay man whose father has rejected him. And his family name
is being continued by his two heterosexual and married sons. It's
only the father who refuses to speak to this man. The rest of the
family loves and accepts him.
Many of these Fathers
commit suicide. There are statistics for these things but like I said,
Prove it. Bring up the numbers for suicides among fathers of gay
children. Be sure to cite the study, complete with methodology and
peer review.
homosexuals refuse to acknowledge them and when you bring them to the fore,
you are bombarded with temper tantrums and called all kinds of names. There
are many other harms. There is the harm in higher healthcare costs. There is
the harm in higher insurance costs.
Smoking is a far larger problem when it comes to health care costs.
Shall we outlaw that?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "RainLover" |
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18 Apr 2005 07:43:24 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 13:30:37 GMT, "Maverick" <justgopub...@nomail.com>
wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:uvn161tmffr2mdkfgdus3vks6bta933ogp@4ax.com...
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:12:03 GMT, "Maverick" <justgopub...@nomail.com>
wrote:
Lots of people can't marry the person they love. So what?
What you say, is very true, but none of the reasons why they cannot, come
from,
what is probably a politically mistranslated, collection of two to three
thousand year old myths.
Life is tough.
Since when does "tough", have to be callous
That's no reason to re-write the Constitution.
Isn't there something in your Declaration of Independence, about men
having a
right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"?
It seems to me, that you are now deciding what is an acceptable course for
pursuing liberty and happiness.
It says nothing about how happiness should be pursued.
To prevent a same sex couple from doing a thing, based solely on
superstition
and gender orientation, is an infringement of their liberty, and a
deliberate
and spiteful barrier to their pursuit of happiness.
When a thing that harms, IF it harm anyone, only the participants, and the
participants are aware of what they are doing, and a law prevents them,
then the
law is wrong, and should be changed.
There is no evidence that homosexuality, harms anyone.
There is plenty of evidence.
You SAY there is plenty, but yet you provide none of it.
Before you go off on a tirade about AIDS, let's just remember that
worldwide, HETROsexuals far exceed homosexuals in the number of AIDS
cases and that in ALL cases, it's not the sexuality of the victim, it
is (when it's sexually contracted) most often PROMISCUITY that spreads
it.
A monogamous married couple, no matter their gender cannot get or
spread AIDS sexually. It's IMPOSSIBLE.
Homosexuals just refuse to acknowledge it. Just
start with the harm caused to the Father of a homosexual that is devastated
because the chances of the family name that he is so proud of being carried
forward is pretty much nil,
And what of the son who marries an infertile woman or an 80 year old
woman? And What say does the FATHER have about his son's marriage
anyway?
and the ridicule he must suffer from his peers
and the loss of respect for his "manhood" he feels.
So a father's hurt feelings or homophobic tendencies takes preceident
over his adult son's choices? What world do you live in?
Many of these Fathers
commit suicide.
Then these fathers need to get some couselling. They have serious
issues to work out.
There are statistics for these things but like I said,
homosexuals refuse to acknowledge them and when you bring them to the fore,
you are bombarded with temper tantrums and called all kinds of names. There
are many other harms.
LOL (yeah, I'm pretty much laughing at you at this point in your
"argument")
There is the harm in higher healthcare costs. There is
the harm in higher insurance costs.
Wrong, the statistics prove that couples in loving relationships have
LOWER healthcare costs. There's even much MORE proof that Women are
MUCH more expensive to medically maintain then Men (just look at
comparative health insurance premiums if you don't believe it).
And, again, sadly, you're probably talking about AIDS when you say
"health care", but, again, adamently, I say, MARRIED men, in
monogamous relationships don't get AIDS.
James, Seattle
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