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"Rob Wade" |
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15 Nov 2005 09:45:18 PM |
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ACLU vs. Boy Scouts of America |
ACLU vs. Boy Scouts of America
Steve Boggess
I can remember when I was a Boy Scout, a member of Troop 38 in
Charleston, West Virginia.
I can also remember the fun us ten to thirteen year old kids used to
have at the annual Scout Jamborees in the early 1970's. This, of
course, was long before the era of political correctness was ushered
in.
The last part of the Scout Law is a word that in these times has little
meaning unfortunately.
That word is Reverent. The Scout Law says "A scout is reverent toward
God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the belief of
others." It is this part of being a scout that has the ACLU all in an
uproar recently.
This tax payer funded leftist organization seeks to undo the tradition
of the Boy Scouts from within. Not enough tax payers are coming to the
defense of this privately funded organization that teaches boys to be
reverent toward God, and respectful of other religious beliefs, among
the other qualities the Boy Scouts teach.
In 2000, a lesbian and agnostic couple joined with the ACLU to file a
lawsuit against the city of San Diego, these people felt that they were
being excluded by the BSA's religious policies in particular. Of
course, the ACLU is also seeking to rid this nation of our national
motto, and ban the wording of "In God we trust" from our currency.
On it's website under the heading of "Religious Liberty," the ACLU, in
July of this year, applauded U.S. District Court Judge Blanche
Manning's decision that bars the Pentagon from funding future Boy Scout
Jamborees. This is the only youth organization funded by the Pentagon.
Two lead plaintiffs in the case, which was filed in 1999, Reverend
Eugene Winkler, and Rabbi Gary Gerson stated that the judge's order
helps maintain the critical constitutional principle of government
neutrality towards religion.
For years, the ACLU has abused the twisting of the First Amendment to
the Constitution of the United States which states: "Congress shall
make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or the free
exercise thereof." To them, those words should be freedom from
religion.
But to disagree with the ACLU, is to wind up fighting them in a court
of law. This is also them taking away a persons freedom of speech,
which is another guarantee of the First Amendment. It comes right after
guaranteeing us the freedom to exercise our own individual beliefs.
The ACLU, as some people know, was founded by Roger Baldwin, in
association with Crystal Eastman. Both were members of the Communist
Party.
I only wish the card carrying members of this organization knew this as
well.
I also wonder if the Boy Scouts required it's members to affirm a
belief in Mohammed, Bhudda, or Allah, would they be as adamant in their
goal of erasing God from not only this privately funded organization,
but from the rest of society as well?
In my opinion, for the ACLU go sue the Boy Scouts of America for their
fundamental tradition of having it's members affirm a belief in God is
to sue them of their basic rights of free speech, and freedom of
religion.
I would rather my son have a belief in God, which he does. I don't want
a godless organization such as the ACLU telling me, or my son who, or
what we can, or can't believe in.
When the founding fathers wrote the Constitution, they never could have
imagined an organization that would try its level best to erase God
from a society that was founded on religious philosophy and principles.
To all card carrying members of the ACLU, I invite you to reconsider
giving this organization your yearly dues. You don't realize it, but
they are also seeking to take away your freedoms as well
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| User: "Frank Provasek" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. Boy Scouts of America |
15 Nov 2005 10:52:36 PM |
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"Rob Wade" <rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132091118.862769.294700@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
ACLU vs. Boy Scouts of America
Steve Boggess
I can remember when I was a Boy Scout, a member of Troop
38 in
Charleston, West Virginia.
I can also remember the fun us ten to thirteen year old
kids used to
have at the annual Scout Jamborees in the early 1970's.
This, of
course, was long before the era of political correctness
was ushered
in.
The last part of the Scout Law is a word that in these
times has little
meaning unfortunately.
That word is Reverent. The Scout Law says "A scout is
reverent toward
God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects
the belief of
others." It is this part of being a scout that has the
ACLU all in an
uproar recently.
The ACLU DOES NOT receive taxpayer funds. The Boy Scouts
DO.
That's why, if the Boy Scouts insist in discrimination, they
are
ineligible to be funed by taxpayers. Is that hard to
understand?
This tax payer funded leftist organization seeks to undo
the tradition
of the Boy Scouts from within. Not enough tax payers are
coming to the
defense of this privately funded organization that teaches
boys to be
reverent toward God, and respectful of other religious
beliefs, among
the other qualities the Boy Scouts teach.
In 2000, a lesbian and agnostic couple joined with the
ACLU to file a
lawsuit against the city of San Diego, these people felt
that they were
being excluded by the BSA's religious policies in
particular. Of
course, the ACLU is also seeking to rid this nation of our
national
motto, and ban the wording of "In God we trust" from our
currency.
Not true. The ACLU is the nation's most conservative
organization. The ACLU's job is to conserve traditional
civic values - the Constitution and the Bill of Rights - and
to defend the rights of every person in this country. The
ACLU's client is the Constitution, not liberals or
conservatives. In fact, in defending the Constitution the
ACLU has worked with both liberals and conservatives.
On it's website under the heading of "Religious Liberty,"
the ACLU, in
July of this year, applauded U.S. District Court Judge
Blanche
Manning's decision that bars the Pentagon from funding
future Boy Scout
Jamborees. This is the only youth organization funded by
the Pentagon.
Two lead plaintiffs in the case, which was filed in 1999,
Reverend
Eugene Winkler, and Rabbi Gary Gerson stated that the
judge's order
helps maintain the critical constitutional principle of
government
neutrality towards religion.
For years, the ACLU has abused the twisting of the First
Amendment to
the Constitution of the United States which states:
"Congress shall
make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
the free
exercise thereof." To them, those words should be freedom
from
religion.
But to disagree with the ACLU, is to wind up fighting them
in a court
of law. This is also them taking away a persons freedom of
speech,
which is another guarantee of the First Amendment. It
comes right after
guaranteeing us the freedom to exercise our own individual
beliefs.
The ACLU, as some people know, was founded by Roger
Baldwin, in
association with Crystal Eastman. Both were members of the
Communist
Party.
And Helen Keller. And Jane Addams. And CONSERVATIVE Supreme
Court justice Felix Frankfurter who argued that courts
should, with rare exceptions, defer to the decisions made by
legislatures and the Congress.
I only wish the card carrying members of this organization
knew this as
well.
I also wonder if the Boy Scouts required it's members to
affirm a
belief in Mohammed, Bhudda, or Allah, would they be as
adamant in their
goal of erasing God from not only this privately funded
organization,
but from the rest of society as well?
In my opinion, for the ACLU go sue the Boy Scouts of
America for their
fundamental tradition of having it's members affirm a
belief in God is
to sue them of their basic rights of free speech, and
freedom of
religion.
I would rather my son have a belief in God, which he does.
I don't want
a godless organization such as the ACLU telling me, or my
son who, or
what we can, or can't believe in.
The ACLU membership encompasses people of many religions.
When the founding fathers wrote the Constitution, they
never could have
imagined an organization that would try its level best to
erase God
from a society that was founded on religious philosophy
and principles.
To all card carrying members of the ACLU, I invite you to
reconsider
giving this organization your yearly dues. You don't
realize it, but
they are also seeking to take away your freedoms as well
.
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. Boy Scouts of America |
16 Nov 2005 02:37:14 AM |
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"Frank Provasek" <frank@frankcoins.com> writes:
"Rob Wade" <rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com> wrote in message
ACLU vs. Boy Scouts of America
Steve Boggess
....
This tax payer funded leftist organization seeks to undo
the tradition
of the Boy Scouts from within.
The ACLU DOES NOT receive taxpayer funds. The Boy Scouts
DO.
That's why, if the Boy Scouts insist in discrimination, they
are
ineligible to be funed by taxpayers. Is that hard to
understand?
The "ACLU is being funded by taxes" is the new rightwing lie.
The ACLU, like ANY OTHER litigant, may be awarded court costs
and legal fees IF THEY WIN THEIR CASE AGAINST A GOVERNMENT
ENTITY, AND A JUDGE DECIDES TO AWARD IT.
The rightwing civil-rights haters are trying to amend
current law so lawsuits involving religious rights, and
ONLY those, will no longer be elligible for such awards
of court costs.
The end result will likely be that many churches will be
unable to litigate (or hire lawyers who would work pro bono
until the assumed court victory results in awards for legal
fees) in any dispute that involves their religious rights.
Yep, the idiot right-wingers will hurt poor churches more
than anything else.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Tink" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. Boy Scouts of America |
16 Nov 2005 01:21:22 PM |
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Brian Westley wrote:
"Frank Provasek" <frank@frankcoins.com> writes:
"Rob Wade" <rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com> wrote in message
ACLU vs. Boy Scouts of America
Steve Boggess
...
This tax payer funded leftist organization seeks to undo
the tradition
of the Boy Scouts from within.
The ACLU DOES NOT receive taxpayer funds. The Boy Scouts
DO.
That's why, if the Boy Scouts insist in discrimination, they
are
ineligible to be funed by taxpayers. Is that hard to
understand?
The "ACLU is being funded by taxes" is the new rightwing lie.
The ACLU, like ANY OTHER litigant, may be awarded court costs
and legal fees IF THEY WIN THEIR CASE AGAINST A GOVERNMENT
ENTITY, AND A JUDGE DECIDES TO AWARD IT.
The rightwing civil-rights haters are trying to amend
current law so lawsuits involving religious rights, and
ONLY those, will no longer be elligible for such awards
of court costs.
They think that will keep lawsuits out of court.
The end result will likely be that many churches will be
unable to litigate (or hire lawyers who would work pro bono
until the assumed court victory results in awards for legal
fees) in any dispute that involves their religious rights.
Yep, the idiot right-wingers will hurt poor churches more
than anything else.
And what is surprising about this? We always knew the right wing hates
the poor.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
--
Skydivers don't knock on death's door; they ring the bell and run
away... It really pisses him off.
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. Boy Scouts of America |
15 Nov 2005 10:47:32 PM |
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On 15 Nov 2005 13:45:18 -0800, in alt.atheism , "Rob Wade"
<rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com> in
<1132091118.862769.294700@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
ACLU vs. Boy Scouts of America
Steve Boggess
I can remember when I was a Boy Scout, a member of Troop 38 in
Charleston, West Virginia.
I can also remember the fun us ten to thirteen year old kids used to
have at the annual Scout Jamborees in the early 1970's. This, of
course, was long before the era of political correctness was ushered
in.
The last part of the Scout Law is a word that in these times has little
meaning unfortunately.
That word is Reverent. The Scout Law says "A scout is reverent toward
God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the belief of
others." It is this part of being a scout that has the ACLU all in an
uproar recently.
This tax payer funded leftist organization
Why would you trust anything else if they get this obvious part wrong.
The ACLU is not taxpayer funded. Nor is it particularly leftist. *****
Army, for example, is a member. The ACLU defends the Constitution. Now
you may well oppose the U.S. Constitution, but you should just say so
rather than hide that.
seeks to undo the tradition
of the Boy Scouts from within. Not enough tax payers are coming to the
defense of this privately funded organization that teaches boys to be
reverent toward God, and respectful of other religious beliefs, among
the other qualities the Boy Scouts teach.
The Boy Scouts, OTOH, do take tax payer money. Did this guy do any
research at all?
In 2000, a lesbian and agnostic couple joined with the ACLU to file a
lawsuit against the city of San Diego, these people felt that they were
being excluded by the BSA's religious policies in particular. Of
course, the ACLU is also seeking to rid this nation of our national
motto, and ban the wording of "In God we trust" from our currency.
Why would they sue the *city* unless the *city* (cities are
governments, you know) was supporting the Boy Scouts in some way.
On it's website under the heading of "Religious Liberty," the ACLU, in
July of this year, applauded U.S. District Court Judge Blanche
Manning's decision that bars the Pentagon from funding future Boy Scout
Jamborees. This is the only youth organization funded by the Pentagon.
Wow! Here he even shows that the Boy Scouts are tax payer funded.
Two lead plaintiffs in the case, which was filed in 1999, Reverend
Eugene Winkler, and Rabbi Gary Gerson stated that the judge's order
helps maintain the critical constitutional principle of government
neutrality towards religion.
For years, the ACLU has abused the twisting of the First Amendment to
the Constitution of the United States which states: "Congress shall
make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or the free
exercise thereof." To them, those words should be freedom from
religion.
But to disagree with the ACLU, is to wind up fighting them in a court
of law.
Oh, no! A court of law? What do you propose instead? Fisticuffs?
This is also them taking away a persons freedom of speech,
which is another guarantee of the First Amendment. It comes right after
guaranteeing us the freedom to exercise our own individual beliefs.
The ACLU, as some people know, was founded by Roger Baldwin, in
association with Crystal Eastman. Both were members of the Communist
Party.
I only wish the card carrying members of this organization knew this as
well.
I also wonder if the Boy Scouts required it's members to affirm a
belief in Mohammed, Bhudda, or Allah, would they be as adamant in their
goal of erasing God from not only this privately funded organization,
but from the rest of society as well?
Astoundingly enough the Boy Scouts do accept those religions, just not
atheism. Was this a spoof or was the author actually that clueless?
In my opinion, for the ACLU go sue the Boy Scouts of America for their
fundamental tradition of having it's members affirm a belief in God is
to sue them of their basic rights of free speech, and freedom of
religion.
I would rather my son have a belief in God, which he does. I don't want
a godless organization such as the ACLU telling me, or my son who, or
what we can, or can't believe in.
Nor do they. They just object to a public organization, using public
funds, discriminating against others for their views. Allow people in
regardless of their religious views.
When the founding fathers wrote the Constitution, they never could have
imagined an organization that would try its level best to erase God
from a society that was founded on religious philosophy and principles.
It is not erasing God from the society, it is allowing other views.
To all card carrying members of the ACLU, I invite you to reconsider
giving this organization your yearly dues. You don't realize it, but
they are also seeking to take away your freedoms as well
What freedom? The freedom to be a bigot?
--
Matt Silberstein
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