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Religions > Atheism |
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"J Young" |
| Date: |
25 Mar 2005 09:05:00 PM |
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ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America
The American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically
pursued cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our national
identity, claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people"
and 230 years of history. The idealistic, philosophical and worldly
Black Robes ignore our nation's constitution and original intent.
They acquiesce to an "unoriginal intent" not ever postulated by the
founders.
Over the past 60 years the subtle actions of the ACLU and the federal
courts have undermined what had always been understood by Americans.
The "melting pot" included the solid belief that America's
national identity was as a Christian nation and immigrants accepted
this tenet of the United States. According to the ACLU and the U.S.
Supremes, we are to believe this is less than historical fact.
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| User: "Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
30 Mar 2005 03:03:21 PM |
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No, I am referring to individuals who has sought assistance from the
ACLU, and was told they could not help them.
"Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
news:1gu8lzt.1rlt6n71oapmt1N%usenet@mile23.c0m...
: Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון <riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
:
: > Rubbish, [the ACLU] will only help you if they think they can
publicity
: > and money out of your case, in one way or another.
:
: You refer, of course, to the time they defended the Neo-Nazis' right
to
: march through Skokie, a predominately Jewish neighborhood.
:
: <http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/strwhe.html>
:
: [..]
:
: The debate was clear-cut: American Nazis claimed the right of free
: speech while their Jewish "targets" claimed the right to live without
: intimidation. The town, arguing that the march would assault the
: sensibilities of its citizens and spark violence, managed to win a
: court injunction against the marchers. In response, the American
Civil
: Liberties Union took the case and successfully defended the Nazis'
: right to free speech.
:
: Skokie had all the elements of a difficult case: a clash of absolutes,
: prior restraint of speech, and heated public sentiment. In recreating
: it, Strum presents a detailed account and analysis of the legal
: proceedings as well as finely delineated portraits of the
protagonists:
: Frank Collin, National Socialist Party of America leader and the son
of
: a Jewish Holocaust survivor; Skokie community leader Sol Goldstein, a
: Holocaust survivor who planned a counterdemonstration against the
Nazis;
: Skokie mayor Albert Smith, who wanted only to protect his
townspeople;
: and ACLU attorney David Goldberger, caught in the ironic position of
: being a Jew defending the rights of Nazis against fellow Jews. While
: the ACLU did win the case, it was a costly victory--30,000 of its
: members left the organization. And in the end, ironically, the Nazis
: never did march in Skokie.
:
: --
: "Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don't know
what's
: going on." -- Robert Kennedy, Jr.
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| User: "Mitchell Holman" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
30 Mar 2005 04:48:28 PM |
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"Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in news:UoE2e.6075
$wo1.1308@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
No, I am referring to individuals who has sought assistance from the
ACLU, and was told they could not help them.
I am sure you think the ACLU is teeming with
oodles of cash and an army of volunteer lawyers
just waiting for your call. You are, of course,
wrong.
"Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
news:1gu8lzt.1rlt6n71oapmt1N%usenet@mile23.c0m...
: Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון <riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
:
: > Rubbish, [the ACLU] will only help you if they think they can
publicity
: > and money out of your case, in one way or another.
:
: You refer, of course, to the time they defended the Neo-Nazis' right
to
: march through Skokie, a predominately Jewish neighborhood.
:
: <http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/strwhe.html>
:
: [..]
:
: The debate was clear-cut: American Nazis claimed the right of free
: speech while their Jewish "targets" claimed the right to live without
: intimidation. The town, arguing that the march would assault the
: sensibilities of its citizens and spark violence, managed to win a
: court injunction against the marchers. In response, the American
Civil
: Liberties Union took the case and successfully defended the Nazis'
: right to free speech.
:
: Skokie had all the elements of a difficult case: a clash of absolutes,
: prior restraint of speech, and heated public sentiment. In recreating
: it, Strum presents a detailed account and analysis of the legal
: proceedings as well as finely delineated portraits of the
protagonists:
: Frank Collin, National Socialist Party of America leader and the son
of
: a Jewish Holocaust survivor; Skokie community leader Sol Goldstein, a
: Holocaust survivor who planned a counterdemonstration against the
Nazis;
: Skokie mayor Albert Smith, who wanted only to protect his
townspeople;
: and ACLU attorney David Goldberger, caught in the ironic position of
: being a Jew defending the rights of Nazis against fellow Jews. While
: the ACLU did win the case, it was a costly victory--30,000 of its
: members left the organization. And in the end, ironically, the Nazis
: never did march in Skokie.
:
: --
: "Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don't know
what's
: going on." -- Robert Kennedy, Jr.
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
30 Mar 2005 05:49:35 PM |
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"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eneNo*Email@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9629AB26FB8F3ta2eene2@216.196.97.131...
"Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in news:UoE2e.6075
$wo1.1308@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
No, I am referring to individuals who has sought assistance from the
ACLU, and was told they could not help them.
I am sure you think the ACLU is teeming with
oodles of cash and an army of volunteer lawyers
just waiting for your call. You are, of course,
wrong.
But being a "card carrying member of the ACLU" has such a high standing in
this country.
"Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
news:1gu8lzt.1rlt6n71oapmt1N%usenet@mile23.c0m...
: Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון <riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
:
: > Rubbish, [the ACLU] will only help you if they think they can
publicity
: > and money out of your case, in one way or another.
:
: You refer, of course, to the time they defended the Neo-Nazis' right
to
: march through Skokie, a predominately Jewish neighborhood.
:
: <http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/strwhe.html>
:
: [..]
:
: The debate was clear-cut: American Nazis claimed the right of free
: speech while their Jewish "targets" claimed the right to live without
: intimidation. The town, arguing that the march would assault the
: sensibilities of its citizens and spark violence, managed to win a
: court injunction against the marchers. In response, the American
Civil
: Liberties Union took the case and successfully defended the Nazis'
: right to free speech.
:
: Skokie had all the elements of a difficult case: a clash of absolutes,
: prior restraint of speech, and heated public sentiment. In recreating
: it, Strum presents a detailed account and analysis of the legal
: proceedings as well as finely delineated portraits of the
protagonists:
: Frank Collin, National Socialist Party of America leader and the son
of
: a Jewish Holocaust survivor; Skokie community leader Sol Goldstein, a
: Holocaust survivor who planned a counterdemonstration against the
Nazis;
: Skokie mayor Albert Smith, who wanted only to protect his
townspeople;
: and ACLU attorney David Goldberger, caught in the ironic position of
: being a Jew defending the rights of Nazis against fellow Jews. While
: the ACLU did win the case, it was a costly victory--30,000 of its
: members left the organization. And in the end, ironically, the Nazis
: never did march in Skokie.
:
: --
: "Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don't know
what's
: going on." -- Robert Kennedy, Jr.
.
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| User: "Mitchell Holman" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
30 Mar 2005 09:14:09 PM |
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in news:jWG2e.8189$zl.6405
@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eneNo*Email@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9629AB26FB8F3ta2eene2@216.196.97.131...
"Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in news:UoE2e.6075
$wo1.1308@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
No, I am referring to individuals who has sought assistance from the
ACLU, and was told they could not help them.
I am sure you think the ACLU is teeming with
oodles of cash and an army of volunteer lawyers
just waiting for your call. You are, of course,
wrong.
But being a "card carrying member of the ACLU" has such a high standing
in
this country.
I carries high status with me.
"Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
news:1gu8lzt.1rlt6n71oapmt1N%usenet@mile23.c0m...
: Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון <riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
:
: > Rubbish, [the ACLU] will only help you if they think they can
publicity
: > and money out of your case, in one way or another.
:
: You refer, of course, to the time they defended the Neo-Nazis' right
to
: march through Skokie, a predominately Jewish neighborhood.
:
: <http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/strwhe.html>
:
: [..]
:
: The debate was clear-cut: American Nazis claimed the right of free
: speech while their Jewish "targets" claimed the right to live without
: intimidation. The town, arguing that the march would assault the
: sensibilities of its citizens and spark violence, managed to win a
: court injunction against the marchers. In response, the American
Civil
: Liberties Union took the case and successfully defended the Nazis'
: right to free speech.
:
: Skokie had all the elements of a difficult case: a clash of absolutes,
: prior restraint of speech, and heated public sentiment. In recreating
: it, Strum presents a detailed account and analysis of the legal
: proceedings as well as finely delineated portraits of the
protagonists:
: Frank Collin, National Socialist Party of America leader and the son
of
: a Jewish Holocaust survivor; Skokie community leader Sol Goldstein, a
: Holocaust survivor who planned a counterdemonstration against the
Nazis;
: Skokie mayor Albert Smith, who wanted only to protect his
townspeople;
: and ACLU attorney David Goldberger, caught in the ironic position of
: being a Jew defending the rights of Nazis against fellow Jews. While
: the ACLU did win the case, it was a costly victory--30,000 of its
: members left the organization. And in the end, ironically, the Nazis
: never did march in Skokie.
:
: --
: "Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don't know
what's
: going on." -- Robert Kennedy, Jr.
.
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
30 Mar 2005 11:41:15 PM |
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"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eneNo*Email@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9629D83269615ta2eene2@216.196.97.131...
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in news:jWG2e.8189$zl.6405
@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eneNo*Email@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9629AB26FB8F3ta2eene2@216.196.97.131...
"Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in news:UoE2e.6075
$wo1.1308@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
No, I am referring to individuals who has sought assistance from the
ACLU, and was told they could not help them.
I am sure you think the ACLU is teeming with
oodles of cash and an army of volunteer lawyers
just waiting for your call. You are, of course,
wrong.
But being a "card carrying member of the ACLU" has such a high standing
in
this country.
I carries high status with me.
Me too. I was for a while when I could afford it.
"Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
news:1gu8lzt.1rlt6n71oapmt1N%usenet@mile23.c0m...
: Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון <riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
:
: > Rubbish, [the ACLU] will only help you if they think they can
publicity
: > and money out of your case, in one way or another.
:
: You refer, of course, to the time they defended the Neo-Nazis' right
to
: march through Skokie, a predominately Jewish neighborhood.
:
: <http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/strwhe.html>
:
: [..]
:
: The debate was clear-cut: American Nazis claimed the right of free
: speech while their Jewish "targets" claimed the right to live without
: intimidation. The town, arguing that the march would assault the
: sensibilities of its citizens and spark violence, managed to win a
: court injunction against the marchers. In response, the American
Civil
: Liberties Union took the case and successfully defended the Nazis'
: right to free speech.
:
: Skokie had all the elements of a difficult case: a clash of absolutes,
: prior restraint of speech, and heated public sentiment. In recreating
: it, Strum presents a detailed account and analysis of the legal
: proceedings as well as finely delineated portraits of the
protagonists:
: Frank Collin, National Socialist Party of America leader and the son
of
: a Jewish Holocaust survivor; Skokie community leader Sol Goldstein, a
: Holocaust survivor who planned a counterdemonstration against the
Nazis;
: Skokie mayor Albert Smith, who wanted only to protect his
townspeople;
: and ACLU attorney David Goldberger, caught in the ironic position of
: being a Jew defending the rights of Nazis against fellow Jews. While
: the ACLU did win the case, it was a costly victory--30,000 of its
: members left the organization. And in the end, ironically, the Nazis
: never did march in Skokie.
:
: --
: "Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don't know
what's
: going on." -- Robert Kennedy, Jr.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
31 Mar 2005 07:16:01 PM |
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eneNo*Email@comcast.com> wrote in message
But being a "card carrying member of the ACLU" has such a high standing
in this country.
I carries high status with me.
Me too. I was for a while when I could afford it.
Freedom ain't free.
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| User: "Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
30 Mar 2005 07:25:48 PM |
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I am sure you haven't a fecking clue as to what I think, so don't assume
you do, *****.
"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eneNo*Email@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9629AB26FB8F3ta2eene2@216.196.97.131...
: "Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in
news:UoE2e.6075
: $wo1.1308@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
:
: > No, I am referring to individuals who has sought assistance from the
: > ACLU, and was told they could not help them.
: >
: >
:
: I am sure you think the ACLU is teeming with
: oodles of cash and an army of volunteer lawyers
: just waiting for your call. You are, of course,
: wrong.
:
:
:
: >
: >
: > "Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
: > news:1gu8lzt.1rlt6n71oapmt1N%usenet@mile23.c0m...
: >: Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון <riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
: >:
: >: > Rubbish, [the ACLU] will only help you if they think they can
: > publicity
: >: > and money out of your case, in one way or another.
: >:
: >: You refer, of course, to the time they defended the Neo-Nazis'
right
: > to
: >: march through Skokie, a predominately Jewish neighborhood.
: >:
: >: <http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/strwhe.html>
: >:
: >: [..]
: >:
: >: The debate was clear-cut: American Nazis claimed the right of free
: >: speech while their Jewish "targets" claimed the right to live
without
: >: intimidation. The town, arguing that the march would assault the
: >: sensibilities of its citizens and spark violence, managed to win a
: >: court injunction against the marchers. In response, the American
: > Civil
: >: Liberties Union took the case and successfully defended the Nazis'
: >: right to free speech.
: >:
: >: Skokie had all the elements of a difficult case: a clash of
absolutes,
: >: prior restraint of speech, and heated public sentiment. In
recreating
: >: it, Strum presents a detailed account and analysis of the legal
: >: proceedings as well as finely delineated portraits of the
: > protagonists:
: >: Frank Collin, National Socialist Party of America leader and the
son
: > of
: >: a Jewish Holocaust survivor; Skokie community leader Sol
Goldstein, a
: >: Holocaust survivor who planned a counterdemonstration against the
: > Nazis;
: >: Skokie mayor Albert Smith, who wanted only to protect his
: > townspeople;
: >: and ACLU attorney David Goldberger, caught in the ironic position
of
: >: being a Jew defending the rights of Nazis against fellow Jews.
While
: >: the ACLU did win the case, it was a costly victory--30,000 of its
: >: members left the organization. And in the end, ironically, the
Nazis
: >: never did march in Skokie.
: >:
: >: --
: >: "Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don't know
: > what's
: >: going on." -- Robert Kennedy, Jr.
: >
: >
: >
:
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
31 Mar 2005 12:47:10 PM |
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:03:21 +0200, "Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון"
<riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
No, I am referring to individuals who has sought assistance from the
ACLU, and was told they could not help them.
You said that they were only interested in money and publicity. When
the defended the Nazis, the publicity was bad and they lost major
contributors. They do not, on the other hand, have unlimited
resources nor do they have any obligation to take any case.
snip
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
30 Mar 2005 07:52:10 AM |
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"Ac" <allmetric@knology.net> wrote in message
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America
The American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically
pursued cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our national
identity, claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people"
and 230 years of history.
The ACLU supports equal rights for all. If the majority of the people
support oppressing a minority, the constitution forbids the government
from
acting on that popular support. The ACLU defends the rights of
everyone,
including the rights of minorities from tryanny of the majority.
Exactly. The constitution is there to protect the rights of the
unpopular.
There is no need to protect the rights of the popular.
I guess then, that as a white, straight, Christian male, if some some
organisation did something to infringe my civil liberties, I could never
expect any help from the ACLU .
Actually, you would expect help. The ACLU *has* defended straight, white
Christian males. They defend the rights of everyone.
Still, infringements of the rights of straight, white Christian males (with
respect to those three qualities) are a rarity.
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| User: "George Grapman" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
30 Mar 2005 10:25:20 AM |
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Limbaugh welcomes their support in his drug case.
--
To reply via e-mail please delete 1 c from paccbell
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
30 Mar 2005 03:05:15 PM |
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"Ac" <allmetric@knology.net> wrote in message
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I guess then, that as a white, straight, Christian male, if some some
organisation did something to infringe my civil liberties, I could never
expect any help from the ACLU .
You mean like Rush Limbaugh?
Susan
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
30 Mar 2005 07:43:30 AM |
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"Ac" <allmetric@knology.net> wrote in message
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America
The American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically
pursued cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our national
identity, claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people"
and 230 years of history.
The ACLU supports equal rights for all. If the majority of the people
support oppressing a minority, the constitution forbids the government
from
acting on that popular support. The ACLU defends the rights of
everyone,
including the rights of minorities from tryanny of the majority.
Exactly. The constitution is there to protect the rights of the
unpopular.
There is no need to protect the rights of the popular.
I guess then, that as a white, straight, Christian male, if some some
organisation did something to infringe my civil liberties, I could never
expect any help from the ACLU . But wait a minute, as I am an Australian
living in the USA, I am part of a minority group. . There is hope for me
yet.
Rush Limbaugh and Oliver North fit the same profile as you, and the ACLU
helped them.
But then they were both under criminal investigation at the time. Definetely
minorities.
Still, if I am ever unfornuate enough to fall victim to some
organisation's
evil tenticles, I wont hold my breath for help from the ACLU
It couldn't hurt to ask. They've helped a lot of people you probably
wouldn't expect.
AC
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
30 Mar 2005 03:52:15 AM |
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Ac wrote:
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote in message
news:t7KdnfgApfp8QtTfRVn-ow@comcast.com...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1111806300.177122.132310@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America
The American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically
pursued cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our national
identity, claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people"
and 230 years of history.
The ACLU supports equal rights for all. If the majority of the people
support oppressing a minority, the constitution forbids the government
from
acting on that popular support. The ACLU defends the rights of everyone,
including the rights of minorities from tryanny of the majority.
Exactly. The constitution is there to protect the rights of the unpopular.
There is no need to protect the rights of the popular.
I guess then, that as a white, straight, Christian male, if some some
organisation did something to infringe my civil liberties, I could never
expect any help from the ACLU . But wait a minute, as I am an Australian
living in the USA, I am part of a minority group. . There is hope for me
yet.
Still, if I am ever unfornuate enough to fall victim to some organisation's
evil tenticles, I wont hold my breath for help from the ACLU
Except, of course, the ACLU would come to you aid, just as it did for
Rush Limbaugh.
Everyone here that's bashing the ACLU knows that they helped Rush
Limbaugh, right? I don't have to go searching for this record, do I?
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
30 Mar 2005 09:08:12 AM |
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DanielSan wrote:
Ac wrote:
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote in
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America
The American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically
pursued cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our
national
identity, claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people"
and 230 years of history.
The ACLU supports equal rights for all. If the majority of the
people
support oppressing a minority, the constitution forbids the
government
from
acting on that popular support. The ACLU defends the rights of
everyone,
including the rights of minorities from tryanny of the majority.
Exactly. The constitution is there to protect the rights of the
unpopular.
There is no need to protect the rights of the popular.
I guess then, that as a white, straight, Christian male, if some
some
organisation did something to infringe my civil liberties, I could
never
expect any help from the ACLU . But wait a minute, as I am an
Australian
living in the USA, I am part of a minority group. . There is hope
for me
yet.
Still, if I am ever unfornuate enough to fall victim to some
organisation's
evil tenticles, I wont hold my breath for help from the ACLU
Except, of course, the ACLU would come to you aid, just as it did for
Rush Limbaugh.
Everyone here that's bashing the ACLU knows that they helped Rush
Limbaugh, right? I don't have to go searching for this record, do I?
Even though he hates them with a passion, and has said so on numerous
occasions, and will say so again despite running to them for help. If
ol' Rush can get help from the ACLU, anyone can.
That is the thing these guys can't understand. They see the ACLU
defend the rights of people that they don't like, or even of people who
are obviously guilty, and they decide that the ACLU is doing something
bad. The ACLU defended Rush IN SPITE of his being a big, anit-American
*****. They defend the Constutional rights of rapists and murderers
too. Because they defend the Constution, not the individual.
Conservative idiots can't understand that.
jwk
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
30 Mar 2005 08:40:10 AM |
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Ac wrote:
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America
The American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically
pursued cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our national
identity, claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people"
and 230 years of history.
The ACLU supports equal rights for all. If the majority of the people
support oppressing a minority, the constitution forbids the government
from
acting on that popular support. The ACLU defends the rights of everyone,
including the rights of minorities from tryanny of the majority.
Exactly. The constitution is there to protect the rights of the unpopular.
There is no need to protect the rights of the popular.
I guess then, that as a white, straight, Christian male, if some some
organisation did something to infringe my civil liberties, I could never
expect any help from the ACLU.
Oh, and another example that perhaps fits far more closely: The ACLU has fought
to protect the rights of Nazis to march through Jewish neighborhoods. I bet that
makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, doesn't it?
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
30 Mar 2005 08:36:11 AM |
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Ac wrote:
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America
The American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically
pursued cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our national
identity, claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people"
and 230 years of history.
The ACLU supports equal rights for all. If the majority of the people
support oppressing a minority, the constitution forbids the government
from
acting on that popular support. The ACLU defends the rights of everyone,
including the rights of minorities from tryanny of the majority.
Exactly. The constitution is there to protect the rights of the unpopular.
There is no need to protect the rights of the popular.
I guess then, that as a white, straight, Christian male, if some some
organisation did something to infringe my civil liberties, I could never
expect any help from the ACLU.
Demonstrably untrue. The ACLU has taken up cases involving street preachers,
among many possible examples. They have fought in court for the right of
religious nutjobs to screech salvation from their street corner soapboxes, AND
WON. Next time you see a street preacher, thank your god that the ACLU is
willing to go to bat for your right to witness.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "thomas p" |
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30 Mar 2005 02:09:57 PM |
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:34:42 -0600, "Ac" <allmetric@knology.net>
wrote:
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote in message
news:t7KdnfgApfp8QtTfRVn-ow@comcast.com...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1111806300.177122.132310@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America
The American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically
pursued cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our national
identity, claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people"
and 230 years of history.
The ACLU supports equal rights for all. If the majority of the people
support oppressing a minority, the constitution forbids the government
from
acting on that popular support. The ACLU defends the rights of everyone,
including the rights of minorities from tryanny of the majority.
Exactly. The constitution is there to protect the rights of the unpopular.
There is no need to protect the rights of the popular.
I guess then, that as a white, straight, Christian male, if some some
organisation did something to infringe my civil liberties, I could never
expect any help from the ACLU . But wait a minute, as I am an Australian
living in the USA, I am part of a minority group. . There is hope for me
yet.
Still, if I am ever unfornuate enough to fall victim to some organisation's
evil tenticles, I wont hold my breath for help from the ACLU
The ACLU has supported the right of Nazis to demonstrate.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
26 Mar 2005 02:45:38 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1111806300.177122.132310@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America
The American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically
pursued cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our national
identity, claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people"
The few include Oliver North and Rush Limbaugh.
You know how they aren't in prison? The ACLU helped them.
And former Republican congressman Bob Barr works with them against the
Patriot Act.
and 230 years of history. The idealistic, philosophical and worldly
Black Robes ignore our nation's constitution and original intent.
They acquiesce to an "unoriginal intent" not ever postulated by the
founders.
Over the past 60 years the subtle actions of the ACLU and the federal
courts have undermined what had always been understood by Americans.
The "melting pot" included the solid belief that America's
national identity was as a Christian nation and immigrants accepted
this tenet of the United States. According to the ACLU and the U.S.
Supremes, we are to believe this is less than historical fact.
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
25 Mar 2005 09:21:53 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically
pursued cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our national
identity, claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people"
"We the people" represents the rights of individuals.
The ACLU is one of the most important organizations in America today. Send
them some money if you care at all about protecting your freedom from the
radical right - or radical left.
Over the past 60 years the subtle actions of the ACLU and the federal
courts have undermined what had always been understood by Americans.
Such as what, exactly?
The "melting pot" included the solid belief that America's
national identity was as a Christian nation and immigrants accepted
No, actually the concept of "melting pot" represents the inclusion of people
of DIFFERING types, views, and religions, not uniformity. It doesn't mean
people come here and all become the same.
-Jeff
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| User: "Mitchell Holman" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
25 Mar 2005 09:14:54 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in news:1111806300.177122.132310
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America
The American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically
pursued cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our national
identity, claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people"
and 230 years of history. The idealistic, philosophical and worldly
Black Robes ignore our nation's constitution and original intent.
They acquiesce to an "unoriginal intent" not ever postulated by the
founders.
Over the past 60 years the subtle actions of the ACLU and the federal
courts have undermined what had always been understood by Americans.
The "melting pot" included the solid belief that America's
national identity was as a Christian nation and immigrants accepted
this tenet of the United States.
"The Government of the United States is not in
any sense founded on the Christian religion."
-- John Adams, second US president
According to the ACLU and the U.S.
Supremes, we are to believe this is less than historical fact.
Have you run this past ACLU clients like
Oliver North and Rush Limbaugh and Operation
Rescue?
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| User: "Frank J Warner" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
26 Mar 2005 09:04:48 AM |
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In article <1111806300.177122.132310@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, J
Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America
The American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically
pursued cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our national
identity, claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people"
and 230 years of history.
Yet another 7th grade education wasted.
A major portion of the United States Constitution specifically grants
rights to the few, explicitly outweighing your so-called "We the
people" majority. It's a damn shame the courts (and the ACLU) rightly
disagrees with you, isn't it?
I demand a refund of my education dollar.
-Frank
--
Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com
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| User: "GlennGlenn" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
25 Mar 2005 09:15:40 PM |
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In article <1111806300.177122.132310@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, J
Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America
The American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically
pursued cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our national
identity, claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people"
and 230 years of history. The idealistic, philosophical and worldly
Black Robes ignore our nation's constitution and original intent.
They acquiesce to an "unoriginal intent" not ever postulated by the
founders.
Over the past 60 years the subtle actions of the ACLU and the federal
courts have undermined what had always been understood by Americans.
The "melting pot" included the solid belief that America's
national identity was as a Christian nation and immigrants accepted
this tenet of the United States. According to the ACLU and the U.S.
Supremes, we are to believe this is less than historical fact.
Same old vague, impotent flak from the hypocritical hypesters of...
agh, too drunk to think of another "h" word for the screeching heads of
the Christian right who love to create enemies where none in reality
exist.
--
GlennGlenn -- aa#825 --
I am not famous, I am notorious. And if I am rich, it is because I have taken
my wages in people.
‹ Quentin Crisp
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| User: "Clave" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
25 Mar 2005 09:41:04 PM |
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"GlennGlenn" <dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote in message
news:250320051915278838%dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com...
In article <1111806300.177122.132310@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, J
Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America
The American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically
pursued cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our national
identity, claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people"
and 230 years of history. The idealistic, philosophical and worldly
Black Robes ignore our nation's constitution and original intent.
They acquiesce to an "unoriginal intent" not ever postulated by the
founders.
Over the past 60 years the subtle actions of the ACLU and the federal
courts have undermined what had always been understood by Americans.
The "melting pot" included the solid belief that America's
national identity was as a Christian nation and immigrants accepted
this tenet of the United States. According to the ACLU and the U.S.
Supremes, we are to believe this is less than historical fact.
Same old vague, impotent flak from the hypocritical hypesters of...
agh, too drunk to think of another "h" word for the screeching heads of
the Christian right who love to create enemies where none in reality
exist.
"Hate" works.
Jim
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| User: "Paul Mitchum" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
25 Mar 2005 10:31:36 PM |
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Clave <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@CableSpeed.com> wrote:
[..]
"Hate" works.
"Give us two minutes, and we'll give you the world!"
--
"Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don't know what's
going on." -- Robert Kennedy, Jr.
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| User: "Paul Mitchum" |
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25 Mar 2005 10:31:35 PM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Over the past 60 years the subtle actions of the ACLU and the federal
courts have undermined what had always been understood by Americans.
....to be gross injustices perpetrated by the government such as in the
case of Fred Korematsu.
--
"Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don't know what's
going on." -- Robert Kennedy, Jr.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
26 Mar 2005 09:32:16 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:31:35 -0800, usenet@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum)
wrote:
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Over the past 60 years the subtle actions of the ACLU and the federal
courts have undermined what had always been understood by Americans.
...to be gross injustices perpetrated by the government such as in the
case of Fred Korematsu.
Sacco and Vanzetti.
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| User: "Paul Mitchum" |
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25 Mar 2005 10:31:35 PM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America
The American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically pursued
cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our national identity,
claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people" and 230 years of
history.
Thanks for reminding me.. I need to send them some money. Thanks much!
--
"Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats who don't know what's
going on." -- Robert Kennedy, Jr.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: To J Young (Was Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America) |
25 Mar 2005 09:30:28 PM |
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J Young wrote:
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America
The American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically
pursued cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our national
identity, claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people"
and 230 years of history. The idealistic, philosophical and worldly
Black Robes ignore our nation's constitution and original intent.
They acquiesce to an "unoriginal intent" not ever postulated by the
founders.
Over the past 60 years the subtle actions of the ACLU and the federal
courts have undermined what had always been understood by Americans.
The "melting pot" included the solid belief that America's
national identity was as a Christian nation and immigrants accepted
this tenet of the United States. According to the ACLU and the U.S.
Supremes, we are to believe this is less than historical fact.
And, once again, J Young expresses his extreme distaste for history.
"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty.
He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the
purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon,
unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their
purpose." --Thomas Jefferson
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example
of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved--the
Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
--John Adams
"I wish it (Christianity) were more productive of good works ... I mean
real good works ... not holy-day keeping, sermon-hearing ... or making
long prayers, filled with flatteries and compliments despised by wise
men, and much less capable of pleasing the Deity." --Benjamin Franklin
"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense
founded on the Christian Religion..." --Treaty of Tripoli
But, I do have a question for J Young. What would you say if I claimed
that the ACLU helped Rush Limbaugh keep his medical records secret?
http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=14698&c=27
Please respond to this, J Young. The rest of you guys, please hold off
comments until J Young responds to this. Thank you all! Have a nice
Easter!
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: To J Young (Was Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America) |
26 Mar 2005 08:54:12 PM |
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DanielSan wrote:
But, I do have a question for J Young. What would you say if I
claimed
that the ACLU helped Rush Limbaugh keep his medical records secret?
http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=14698&c=27
Please respond to this, J Young. The rest of you guys, please hold
off
comments until J Young responds to this. Thank you all! Have a
nice
Easter!
I do hate to answer a question with a question but I must. Why do you
think I would give a rat's ***** about Rush Limbaugh? He's a traitor to
his own cause.
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: To J Young (Was Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America) |
26 Mar 2005 11:06:12 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1111892052.633113.134730@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
DanielSan wrote:
But, I do have a question for J Young. What would you say if I
claimed
that the ACLU helped Rush Limbaugh keep his medical records secret?
http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=14698&c=27
Please respond to this, J Young. The rest of you guys, please hold
off
comments until J Young responds to this. Thank you all! Have a
nice
Easter!
I do hate to answer a question with a question but I must. Why do you
think I would give a rat's ***** about Rush Limbaugh? He's a traitor to
his own cause.
His cause is making himself rich.
Not a traitor at all.
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| User: "Sam" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America |
25 Mar 2005 09:09:20 PM |
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J Young wrote:
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/balba_20050323.html
ACLU vs. the Heart and Soul of America
The American Civil Liberties Union and others have systematically
pursued cases to the highest court in the land to weaken our national
identity, claiming "rights" of the few outweigh "We the people"
and 230 years of history. The idealistic, philosophical and worldly
Black Robes ignore our nation's constitution and original intent.
They acquiesce to an "unoriginal intent" not ever postulated by the
founders.
Over the past 60 years the subtle actions of the ACLU and the federal
courts have undermined what had always been understood by Americans.
The "melting pot" included the solid belief that America's
national identity was as a Christian nation and immigrants accepted
this tenet of the United States. According to the ACLU and the U.S.
Supremes, we are to believe this is less than historical fact.
the whole point of the bill of rights is to protect the rights of the
few against the tyranny of the majority.
do you think ann landers needs 1st amendment protection? no, and why
not? because she's not challenging the majority, which is fine she
doesnt have to, but when some small minority speaks out and makes the
majority opinion irked then we need protection.
--
Sam
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