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On Thu, 04 May 2006 14:15:26 GMT, "Ghod" <ghod@ameritech.net> wrote:
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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: "Ghod" <ghod@ameritech.net>
: >
: > "Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
: > news:e3avkj$h7v$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
: > : In article <q076g.11278$Lm5.1489@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>
"Rev.
: > Prunefinger" <misleart@ameritech.net> writes:
: > : >
: > : > <ldnyglhcjlpw@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > : > news:1146673470.541739.64430@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
: > : > : Acupuncture stimulates certain areas of the body with
needles.
: > It's
: > : > not
: > : > : necessary to use invasive needles to activate these points!
: > : > Chopsticks
: > : > : work just as well without the discomfort of needles and can
be
: > done
: > : > : anywhere, including your home, the office--even in your car.
: > : > : Stop worrying and start healing yourself of chronic pain,
hunger
: > : > pangs,
: > : > : and many other common ailments and problems.
: > :
: > :
: > : > Crap, it's all CRRAAAAAAAPPPP!
: > : > http://skepdic.com/acupunc.html
: > :
: > : Well, there does seem to be some evidence accumulating
: > : for a degree of effectivenss -- posibly endorphin-
: > : mediated. But it may be that the classic acupuncture
: > : points are no more effective at producing the effect
: > : than randomly-chosen points on the body, and that
: > : mild electrical stimulation may be as effective as
: > : needles.
: >
: > Ah, _what_ evidence? If there is some, I want to see it.
Personally,
: > I think the statement below explains what "effectiveness" it has
: > sufficiently.
: >
: > "The NCAHF issued a position paper on acupuncture that asserts,
: > "Research during the past twenty years has failed to demonstrate
that
: > acupuncture is effective against any disease" and that "the
perceived
: > effects of acupuncture are probably due to a combination of
: > expectation, suggestion, counter-irritation, operant conditioning,
and
: > other psychological mechanisms." In short, most of the perceived
: > beneficial effects of acupuncture are probably due to mood change,
the
: > placebo effect, and the regressive fallacy."
:
: I'd have to dig around a bit, but simply going by what I read
: routinely, this impression came from one or more of Skeptic
: Magazine, Scientific American, Skeptical Inquirer, or
: New Scientist. None of these claimed that it was effective
: for anything more than relief of pain. And again, that most
: likely by provoking endorphins -- which I believe to be
: the standard explanation for the use of counter-irritants
: as well.

Well, if you can find the reference(s), I'm certainly interested. I'm
always willing to take another look at things.

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg18624984.300.html
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18725113.900.html
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18324582.700.html