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"DanielSan" |
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08 Apr 2005 02:57:29 AM |
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Adam and Eve question |
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
According to Genesis, after God made man and then made woman from man,
they had two kids, Cain and Abel. Then the writers got a bit hazy about
what happened afterwards. Cain suddenly killed Abel. So, at this time,
there are three people on earth; the ousted Cain, Adam, and Eve. Am I
right?
Suddenly, Cain marries an unnamed woman in Genesis 2:17 in the land of
Nod and they had a child named Enoch. From this unnamed woman and Cain,
presumably become the population of Earth.
Now, I wonder. If all these names (Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech,
etc.) were painstakingly written down, why does Cain's wife remain unnamed?
It simply reads, after God exiled Cain to Nod:
"Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. (Gen 2:17)
Who, pray tell, is "his wife"? At the time of ousting, there should've
been only three people on the earth. Cain, a male, Adam, a male, and
Eve, a female. So, what, he married Eve, his mother and had Enoch by her?
And the fuzziness continues. Enoch, a male, vicariously had a son named
Irad... by whom? Eve again? By Genesis 2:19, Lamech (another in the
line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women. Their names?
Adah and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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08 Apr 2005 03:49:09 AM |
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"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:DaadnTLdbc-UbsjfRVn-jg@comcast.com...
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
According to Genesis, after God made man and then made woman from man,
they had two kids, Cain and Abel. Then the writers got a bit hazy about
what happened afterwards. Cain suddenly killed Abel. So, at this time,
there are three people on earth; the ousted Cain, Adam, and Eve. Am I
right?
Suddenly, Cain marries an unnamed woman in Genesis 2:17 in the land of
Nod and they had a child named Enoch. From this unnamed woman and Cain,
presumably become the population of Earth.
Now, I wonder. If all these names (Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech,
etc.) were painstakingly written down, why does Cain's wife remain
unnamed?
It simply reads, after God exiled Cain to Nod:
"Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. (Gen 2:17)
Who, pray tell, is "his wife"? At the time of ousting, there should've
been only three people on the earth. Cain, a male, Adam, a male, and
Eve, a female. So, what, he married Eve, his mother and had Enoch by her?
And the fuzziness continues. Enoch, a male, vicariously had a son named
Irad... by whom? Eve again? By Genesis 2:19, Lamech (another in the
line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women. Their names?
Adah and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
I'm no Christian, but I always assumed that his wife came from some
people created by one of those other gods that A&E's god didn't
want put before him. ;-)
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| User: "Kenny Leong" |
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| Title: Re: Adam and Eve question |
08 Apr 2005 08:12:45 AM |
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DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:<DaadnTLdbc-UbsjfRVn-jg@comcast.com>...
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
According to Genesis, after God made man and then made woman from man,
they had two kids, Cain and Abel. Then the writers got a bit hazy about
what happened afterwards. Cain suddenly killed Abel. So, at this time,
there are three people on earth; the ousted Cain, Adam, and Eve. Am I
right?
Suddenly, Cain marries an unnamed woman in Genesis 2:17 in the land of
Nod and they had a child named Enoch. From this unnamed woman and Cain,
presumably become the population of Earth.
Now, I wonder. If all these names (Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech,
etc.) were painstakingly written down, why does Cain's wife remain unnamed?
It simply reads, after God exiled Cain to Nod:
"Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. (Gen 2:17)
Who, pray tell, is "his wife"? At the time of ousting, there should've
been only three people on the earth. Cain, a male, Adam, a male, and
Eve, a female. So, what, he married Eve, his mother and had Enoch by her?
And the fuzziness continues. Enoch, a male, vicariously had a son named
Irad... by whom? Eve again? By Genesis 2:19, Lamech (another in the
line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women. Their names?
Adah and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
And also...in which case, the mother had two sons. The first son was
from her husband, and the second son was from her first son.
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| User: "Kenny Leong" |
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08 Apr 2005 08:11:02 AM |
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DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:<DaadnTLdbc-UbsjfRVn-jg@comcast.com>...
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
According to Genesis, after God made man and then made woman from man,
they had two kids, Cain and Abel. Then the writers got a bit hazy about
what happened afterwards. Cain suddenly killed Abel. So, at this time,
there are three people on earth; the ousted Cain, Adam, and Eve. Am I
right?
Suddenly, Cain marries an unnamed woman in Genesis 2:17 in the land of
Nod and they had a child named Enoch. From this unnamed woman and Cain,
presumably become the population of Earth.
Now, I wonder. If all these names (Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech,
etc.) were painstakingly written down, why does Cain's wife remain unnamed?
It simply reads, after God exiled Cain to Nod:
"Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. (Gen 2:17)
Who, pray tell, is "his wife"? At the time of ousting, there should've
been only three people on the earth. Cain, a male, Adam, a male, and
Eve, a female. So, what, he married Eve, his mother and had Enoch by her?
And the fuzziness continues. Enoch, a male, vicariously had a son named
Irad... by whom? Eve again? By Genesis 2:19, Lamech (another in the
line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women. Their names?
Adah and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
I meant...especially when the father is the son of the mother.
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| User: "Kenny Leong" |
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08 Apr 2005 08:10:07 AM |
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DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:<DaadnTLdbc-UbsjfRVn-jg@comcast.com>...
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
According to Genesis, after God made man and then made woman from man,
they had two kids, Cain and Abel. Then the writers got a bit hazy about
what happened afterwards. Cain suddenly killed Abel. So, at this time,
there are three people on earth; the ousted Cain, Adam, and Eve. Am I
right?
Suddenly, Cain marries an unnamed woman in Genesis 2:17 in the land of
Nod and they had a child named Enoch. From this unnamed woman and Cain,
presumably become the population of Earth.
Now, I wonder. If all these names (Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech,
etc.) were painstakingly written down, why does Cain's wife remain unnamed?
It simply reads, after God exiled Cain to Nod:
"Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. (Gen 2:17)
Who, pray tell, is "his wife"? At the time of ousting, there should've
been only three people on the earth. Cain, a male, Adam, a male, and
Eve, a female. So, what, he married Eve, his mother and had Enoch by her?
And the fuzziness continues. Enoch, a male, vicariously had a son named
Irad... by whom? Eve again? By Genesis 2:19, Lamech (another in the
line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women. Their names?
Adah and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
I thought that it's not so healthy for the child if the two parents
are closely related...especially when the father is the son of the
wife. Like mongoloid type problems can happen.
But anyway, since god is supposed to be an all-knowing, perfect
planner and perfect designer, every single even that occurs was
conjured by god. God all-knowingly knew all of the future mechanical
actions of adam, eve, etc etc etc before they were even
made....because god planned those actions perfectly before anything
was made. Otherwise god would not be an all-knowing, perfect
planner/designer.
Kenny
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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08 Apr 2005 08:17:40 AM |
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Kenny Leong wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:<DaadnTLdbc-UbsjfRVn-jg@comcast.com>...
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
According to Genesis, after God made man and then made woman from man,
they had two kids, Cain and Abel. Then the writers got a bit hazy about
what happened afterwards. Cain suddenly killed Abel. So, at this time,
there are three people on earth; the ousted Cain, Adam, and Eve. Am I
right?
Suddenly, Cain marries an unnamed woman in Genesis 2:17 in the land of
Nod and they had a child named Enoch. From this unnamed woman and Cain,
presumably become the population of Earth.
Now, I wonder. If all these names (Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech,
etc.) were painstakingly written down, why does Cain's wife remain unnamed?
It simply reads, after God exiled Cain to Nod:
"Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. (Gen 2:17)
Who, pray tell, is "his wife"? At the time of ousting, there should've
been only three people on the earth. Cain, a male, Adam, a male, and
Eve, a female. So, what, he married Eve, his mother and had Enoch by her?
And the fuzziness continues. Enoch, a male, vicariously had a son named
Irad... by whom? Eve again? By Genesis 2:19, Lamech (another in the
line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women. Their names?
Adah and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
I thought that it's not so healthy for the child if the two parents
are closely related...especially when the father is the son of the
wife. Like mongoloid type problems can happen.
But anyway, since god is supposed to be an all-knowing, perfect
planner and perfect designer, every single even that occurs was
conjured by god. God all-knowingly knew all of the future mechanical
actions of adam, eve, etc etc etc before they were even
made....because god planned those actions perfectly before anything
was made. Otherwise god would not be an all-knowing, perfect
planner/designer.
That doesn't even come anywhere CLOSE to resembling an answer. Care to
try again?
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| User: "Kenny Leong" |
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08 Apr 2005 02:00:22 PM |
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DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:<yoCdnSIfDq2Po8vfRVn-qw@comcast.com>...
Kenny Leong wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:<DaadnTLdbc-UbsjfRVn-jg@comcast.com>...
I thought that it's not so healthy for the child if the two parents
are closely related...especially when the father is the son of the
wife. Like mongoloid type problems can happen.
But anyway, since god is supposed to be an all-knowing, perfect
planner and perfect designer, every single even that occurs was
conjured by god. God all-knowingly knew all of the future mechanical
actions of adam, eve, etc etc etc before they were even
made....because god planned those actions perfectly before anything
was made. Otherwise god would not be an all-knowing, perfect
planner/designer.
That doesn't even come anywhere CLOSE to resembling an answer. Care to
try again?
Well...originally, I was going to ask how the hell you revived this
post from 1994. But now...to answer the original post about the
serpent...I recall from somewhere that I was told it had legs. So
maybe it was like a lizard...and the serpent became a leg-less lizard.
Kenny
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| User: "stoney" |
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11 Apr 2005 12:35:41 AM |
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On 8 Apr 2005 01:10:07 -0700, (Kenny Leong)
wrote:
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:<DaadnTLdbc-UbsjfRVn-jg@comcast.com>...
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
According to Genesis, after God made man and then made woman from man,
they had two kids, Cain and Abel. Then the writers got a bit hazy about
what happened afterwards. Cain suddenly killed Abel. So, at this time,
there are three people on earth; the ousted Cain, Adam, and Eve. Am I
right?
Suddenly, Cain marries an unnamed woman in Genesis 2:17 in the land of
Nod and they had a child named Enoch. From this unnamed woman and Cain,
presumably become the population of Earth.
Now, I wonder. If all these names (Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech,
etc.) were painstakingly written down, why does Cain's wife remain unnamed?
It simply reads, after God exiled Cain to Nod:
"Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. (Gen 2:17)
Who, pray tell, is "his wife"? At the time of ousting, there should've
been only three people on the earth. Cain, a male, Adam, a male, and
Eve, a female. So, what, he married Eve, his mother and had Enoch by her?
And the fuzziness continues. Enoch, a male, vicariously had a son named
Irad... by whom? Eve again? By Genesis 2:19, Lamech (another in the
line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women. Their names?
Adah and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
I thought that it's not so healthy for the child if the two parents
are closely related...especially when the father is the son of the
wife. Like mongoloid type problems can happen.
But anyway, since god is supposed to be an all-knowing, perfect
planner and perfect designer, every single even that occurs was
conjured by god. God all-knowingly knew all of the future mechanical
actions of adam, eve, etc etc etc before they were even
made....because god planned those actions perfectly before anything
was made. Otherwise god would not be an all-knowing, perfect
planner/designer.
It's a perfect fuckup. Everything it touches turns to *****.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "" |
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08 Apr 2005 03:02:22 AM |
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DanielSan wrote:
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
According to Genesis, after God made man and then made woman from
man,
they had two kids, Cain and Abel. Then the writers got a bit hazy
about
what happened afterwards. Cain suddenly killed Abel. So, at this
time,
there are three people on earth; the ousted Cain, Adam, and Eve. Am
I
right?
Suddenly, Cain marries an unnamed woman in Genesis 2:17 in the land
of
Nod and they had a child named Enoch. From this unnamed woman and
Cain,
presumably become the population of Earth.
Now, I wonder. If all these names (Irad, Mehujael, Methushael,
Lamech,
etc.) were painstakingly written down, why does Cain's wife remain
unnamed?
It simply reads, after God exiled Cain to Nod:
"Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. (Gen 2:17)
Who, pray tell, is "his wife"? At the time of ousting, there
should've
been only three people on the earth. Cain, a male, Adam, a male, and
Eve, a female. So, what, he married Eve, his mother and had Enoch by
her?
And the fuzziness continues. Enoch, a male, vicariously had a son
named
Irad... by whom? Eve again? By Genesis 2:19, Lamech (another in
the
line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women. Their names?
Adah and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
Oh, you are such an optimist!!!
Rots o' Ruck!!!
LR
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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08 Apr 2005 03:10:19 AM |
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DanielSan wrote:
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
According to Genesis, after God made man and then made woman from
man,
they had two kids, Cain and Abel. Then the writers got a bit hazy
about
what happened afterwards. Cain suddenly killed Abel. So, at this
time,
there are three people on earth; the ousted Cain, Adam, and Eve. Am
I
right?
Suddenly, Cain marries an unnamed woman in Genesis 2:17 in the land
of
Nod and they had a child named Enoch. From this unnamed woman and
Cain,
presumably become the population of Earth.
Now, I wonder. If all these names (Irad, Mehujael, Methushael,
Lamech,
etc.) were painstakingly written down, why does Cain's wife remain
unnamed?
It simply reads, after God exiled Cain to Nod:
"Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. (Gen 2:17)
Who, pray tell, is "his wife"? At the time of ousting, there
should've
been only three people on the earth. Cain, a male, Adam, a male, and
Eve, a female. So, what, he married Eve, his mother and had Enoch by
her?
And the fuzziness continues. Enoch, a male, vicariously had a son
named
Irad... by whom? Eve again? By Genesis 2:19, Lamech (another in
the
line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women. Their names?
Adah and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
Oh, you are such an optimist!!!
Yes, well, that's one of my disturbing traits. If you see me IRL, I'm
one of those super-happy people always with a smile on my face. People
seem to hate that about me. ;-)
Rots o' Ruck!!!
Ranks! Rou, roo! ;-D
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08 Apr 2005 03:16:25 AM |
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DanielSan wrote:
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
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the line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women.
Their names?
Adah and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
Oh, you are such an optimist!!!
Rots o' Ruck!!!
LR
Thus Spake God's Creator; (I don't forgive *****!)
Oh I'm sure the Christian Zombies have an explanation !!!
But it's only understandable if you have been converted
with their *Religious Hypnotism* ritual...
GOD'S CREATION ?
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| User: "Ash" |
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08 Apr 2005 12:43:31 PM |
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DanielSan wrote:
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
According to Genesis, after God made man and then made woman from man,
they had two kids, Cain and Abel. Then the writers got a bit hazy about
what happened afterwards. Cain suddenly killed Abel. So, at this time,
there are three people on earth; the ousted Cain, Adam, and Eve. Am I
right?
Suddenly, Cain marries an unnamed woman in Genesis 2:17 in the land of
Nod and they had a child named Enoch. From this unnamed woman and Cain,
presumably become the population of Earth.
Now, I wonder. If all these names (Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech,
etc.) were painstakingly written down, why does Cain's wife remain unnamed?
It simply reads, after God exiled Cain to Nod:
"Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. (Gen 2:17)
Who, pray tell, is "his wife"? At the time of ousting, there should've
been only three people on the earth. Cain, a male, Adam, a male, and
Eve, a female. So, what, he married Eve, his mother and had Enoch by her?
And the fuzziness continues. Enoch, a male, vicariously had a son named
Irad... by whom? Eve again? By Genesis 2:19, Lamech (another in the
line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women. Their names? Adah
and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
Some unamed child of Adam and Eve. I think they say prior to the flood,
incest wasn't bad as there were no genetic mutations
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| User: "Jim Hutton" |
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08 Apr 2005 08:09:54 PM |
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...and don't forget Adam's first wife, Lilith.
no joke!
jh aa #1696
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| User: "stoney" |
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11 Apr 2005 12:53:47 AM |
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 15:09:54 -0500, Jim Hutton
<atheist1696@hotmail.com> wrote:
..and don't forget Adam's first wife, Lilith.
no joke!
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Topics/Lilith/
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/950206_Lilith.html
http://www.webcom.com/~gnosis/lillith.html
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/l/lilith.html
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Topics/Lilith/alphabet.html
As found in the 10th century manuscript "The Alphabet of Ben Sira."
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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08 Apr 2005 06:03:43 AM |
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In article <DaadnTLdbc-UbsjfRVn-jg@comcast.com>,
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
According to Genesis, after God made man and then made woman from man,
they had two kids, Cain and Abel. Then the writers got a bit hazy about
what happened afterwards. Cain suddenly killed Abel. So, at this time,
there are three people on earth; the ousted Cain, Adam, and Eve. Am I
right?
Suddenly, Cain marries an unnamed woman in Genesis 2:17 in the land of
Nod and they had a child named Enoch. From this unnamed woman and Cain,
presumably become the population of Earth.
Now, I wonder. If all these names (Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech,
etc.) were painstakingly written down, why does Cain's wife remain unnamed?
It simply reads, after God exiled Cain to Nod:
"Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. (Gen 2:17)
Who, pray tell, is "his wife"? At the time of ousting, there should've
been only three people on the earth. Cain, a male, Adam, a male, and
Eve, a female. So, what, he married Eve, his mother and had Enoch by her?
And the fuzziness continues. Enoch, a male, vicariously had a son named
Irad... by whom? Eve again? By Genesis 2:19, Lamech (another in the
line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women. Their names?
Adah and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
The bible is so full of absurdities, inconsistencies, physical
impossibilities, and contradictions, that I wouldn't even try to figure
it out. That way lies madness.
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
Not likely, although some might try to feed you a pack of lies to cover
up their silly book.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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08 Apr 2005 06:09:59 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <DaadnTLdbc-UbsjfRVn-jg@comcast.com>,
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
According to Genesis, after God made man and then made woman from man,
they had two kids, Cain and Abel. Then the writers got a bit hazy about
what happened afterwards. Cain suddenly killed Abel. So, at this time,
there are three people on earth; the ousted Cain, Adam, and Eve. Am I
right?
Suddenly, Cain marries an unnamed woman in Genesis 2:17 in the land of
Nod and they had a child named Enoch. From this unnamed woman and Cain,
presumably become the population of Earth.
Now, I wonder. If all these names (Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech,
etc.) were painstakingly written down, why does Cain's wife remain unnamed?
It simply reads, after God exiled Cain to Nod:
"Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. (Gen 2:17)
Who, pray tell, is "his wife"? At the time of ousting, there should've
been only three people on the earth. Cain, a male, Adam, a male, and
Eve, a female. So, what, he married Eve, his mother and had Enoch by her?
And the fuzziness continues. Enoch, a male, vicariously had a son named
Irad... by whom? Eve again? By Genesis 2:19, Lamech (another in the
line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women. Their names?
Adah and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
The bible is so full of absurdities, inconsistencies, physical
impossibilities, and contradictions, that I wouldn't even try to figure
it out. That way lies madness.
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
Not likely, although some might try to feed you a pack of lies to cover
up their silly book.
Then give me the pack of lies. I just want to hear the explanation...
if they even have one.
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09 Apr 2005 07:42:03 AM |
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In article <kbydnTlNW8C3vcvfRVn-pg@comcast.com>,
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <DaadnTLdbc-UbsjfRVn-jg@comcast.com>,
DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
According to Genesis, after God made man and then made woman from man,
they had two kids, Cain and Abel. Then the writers got a bit hazy about
what happened afterwards. Cain suddenly killed Abel. So, at this time,
there are three people on earth; the ousted Cain, Adam, and Eve. Am I
right?
Suddenly, Cain marries an unnamed woman in Genesis 2:17 in the land of
Nod and they had a child named Enoch. From this unnamed woman and Cain,
presumably become the population of Earth.
Now, I wonder. If all these names (Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech,
etc.) were painstakingly written down, why does Cain's wife remain unnamed?
It simply reads, after God exiled Cain to Nod:
"Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. (Gen 2:17)
Who, pray tell, is "his wife"? At the time of ousting, there should've
been only three people on the earth. Cain, a male, Adam, a male, and
Eve, a female. So, what, he married Eve, his mother and had Enoch by her?
And the fuzziness continues. Enoch, a male, vicariously had a son named
Irad... by whom? Eve again? By Genesis 2:19, Lamech (another in the
line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women. Their names?
Adah and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
The bible is so full of absurdities, inconsistencies, physical
impossibilities, and contradictions, that I wouldn't even try to figure
it out. That way lies madness.
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
Not likely, although some might try to feed you a pack of lies to cover
up their silly book.
Then give me the pack of lies. I just want to hear the explanation...
if they even have one.
They don't. They'll just tell you to 'believe'.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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08 Apr 2005 01:15:07 PM |
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In article <DaadnTLdbc-UbsjfRVn-jg@comcast.com>, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
According to Genesis, after God made man and then made woman from man,
they had two kids, Cain and Abel. Then the writers got a bit hazy about
what happened afterwards. Cain suddenly killed Abel. So, at this time,
there are three people on earth; the ousted Cain, Adam, and Eve. Am I
right?
Suddenly, Cain marries an unnamed woman in Genesis 2:17 in the land of
Nod and they had a child named Enoch. From this unnamed woman and Cain,
presumably become the population of Earth.
Now, I wonder. If all these names (Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech,
etc.) were painstakingly written down, why does Cain's wife remain unnamed?
It simply reads, after God exiled Cain to Nod:
"Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. (Gen 2:17)
Who, pray tell, is "his wife"? At the time of ousting, there should've
been only three people on the earth. Cain, a male, Adam, a male, and
Eve, a female. So, what, he married Eve, his mother and had Enoch by her?
And the fuzziness continues. Enoch, a male, vicariously had a son named
Irad... by whom? Eve again? By Genesis 2:19, Lamech (another in the
line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women. Their names?
Adah and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
The Judeo-Christian apologetic answer is simple. Nowhere in Genesis
does it say that God did not create other people after he created Adam
& Eve. This, plus the supposition that Adam & Eve & their offspring
lived a very long time, means that there were plenty of opportunities
for meeting babes or hunks in the next village over.
Witness, for example, the myths surrounding a woman named Lillith (or
Lilith), who was supposedly Adam's _first_ wife, before Eve, but who
would not submit to him as God wished, so she was sort of swept under
the carpet, so to speak.
QED
-Frank
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Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com
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| User: "wcb" |
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09 Apr 2005 12:48:17 AM |
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Frank J Warner wrote:
In article <DaadnTLdbc-UbsjfRVn-jg@comcast.com>, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
According to Genesis, after God made man and then made woman from man,
they had two kids, Cain and Abel. Then the writers got a bit hazy about
what happened afterwards. Cain suddenly killed Abel. So, at this time,
there are three people on earth; the ousted Cain, Adam, and Eve. Am I
right?
Suddenly, Cain marries an unnamed woman in Genesis 2:17 in the land of
Nod and they had a child named Enoch. From this unnamed woman and Cain,
presumably become the population of Earth.
Now, I wonder. If all these names (Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech,
etc.) were painstakingly written down, why does Cain's wife remain
unnamed?
It simply reads, after God exiled Cain to Nod:
"Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. (Gen 2:17)
Who, pray tell, is "his wife"? At the time of ousting, there should've
been only three people on the earth. Cain, a male, Adam, a male, and
Eve, a female. So, what, he married Eve, his mother and had Enoch by
her?
And the fuzziness continues. Enoch, a male, vicariously had a son named
Irad... by whom? Eve again? By Genesis 2:19, Lamech (another in the
line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women. Their names?
Adah and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
The Judeo-Christian apologetic answer is simple. Nowhere in Genesis
does it say that God did not create other people after he created Adam
& Eve.
It doesn't say he did. In fact, it strongly implies he did not
when the bible lists all those stupod geneologies.
This, plus the supposition that Adam & Eve & their offspring
lived a very long time, means that there were plenty of opportunities
for meeting babes or hunks in the next village over.
The whole point of Genesis IS that mankind started with two and
only two people. And that is why snakes don't have legs and why
childbirth is painful and why the gods don't seem to like us all
that much. Which is why life is short, and brutish and harsh.
Witness, for example, the myths surrounding a woman named Lillith (or
Lilith), who was supposedly Adam's _first_ wife, before Eve, but who
would not submit to him as God wished, so she was sort of swept under
the carpet, so to speak.
QED
-Frank
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "stoney" |
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11 Apr 2005 02:41:48 AM |
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:48:17 -0500, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
Frank J Warner wrote:
In article <DaadnTLdbc-UbsjfRVn-jg@comcast.com>, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Pardon me if this was discussed before, but I have a question.
Is the Christian God for incest and inbreeding?
According to Genesis, after God made man and then made woman from man,
they had two kids, Cain and Abel. Then the writers got a bit hazy about
what happened afterwards. Cain suddenly killed Abel. So, at this time,
there are three people on earth; the ousted Cain, Adam, and Eve. Am I
right?
Suddenly, Cain marries an unnamed woman in Genesis 2:17 in the land of
Nod and they had a child named Enoch. From this unnamed woman and Cain,
presumably become the population of Earth.
Now, I wonder. If all these names (Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech,
etc.) were painstakingly written down, why does Cain's wife remain
unnamed?
It simply reads, after God exiled Cain to Nod:
"Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. (Gen 2:17)
Who, pray tell, is "his wife"? At the time of ousting, there should've
been only three people on the earth. Cain, a male, Adam, a male, and
Eve, a female. So, what, he married Eve, his mother and had Enoch by
her?
And the fuzziness continues. Enoch, a male, vicariously had a son named
Irad... by whom? Eve again? By Genesis 2:19, Lamech (another in the
line of males, presumably by Eve), married TWO women. Their names?
Adah and Zillah. Where did Adah and Zillah come from?
I'm sure the Christians here could help me on this.
The Judeo-Christian apologetic answer is simple. Nowhere in Genesis
does it say that God did not create other people after he created Adam
& Eve.
It doesn't say he did. In fact, it strongly implies he did not
when the bible lists all those stupod geneologies.
This, plus the supposition that Adam & Eve & their offspring
lived a very long time, means that there were plenty of opportunities
for meeting babes or hunks in the next village over.
The whole point of Genesis IS that mankind started with two and
only two people. And that is why snakes don't have legs and why
childbirth is painful and why the gods don't seem to like us all
that much. Which is why life is short, and brutish and harsh.
Because that's how much "Jesus" 'loves' them.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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08 Apr 2005 08:37:09 PM |
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Frank J. Warner wrote:
The Judeo-Christian apologetic answer is simple. Nowhere in Genesis
does it say that God did not create other people after he created Adam
& Eve.
Here's the problem with that, from the fundies' viewpoint: if God
created other people beside Adam and Eve, then it's perfectly possible
to *not* have Adam and Eve for ancestors - therefore the whole Original
Sin thing doesn't apply to some people.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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| User: "" |
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08 Apr 2005 08:48:11 PM |
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I have heard that some theologists think about: If there is an
inteligent life on other planets, do these creatures have the original
sin and need for Jesus?
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Adam and Eve question |
08 Apr 2005 08:57:20 PM |
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On 8 Apr 2005 13:48:11 -0700 in alt.atheism,
samir.ribic@alemsistem.com.ba (samir.ribic@alemsistem.com.ba) said,
directing the reply to alt.atheism
I have heard that some theologists think about: If there is an
inteligent life on other planets, do these creatures have the original
sin and need for Jesus?
I believe the RCC actually has a position on this! Apparently it
originates with Gerald Heard, who trained as a theologian. Anyway, it
goes like this:
If worlds other than earth posses sentient creatures (i.e. aliens)
then they fall into one of three categories:
(a) Inhabited by sentient creatures, but without souls; so to be
treated with compassion but extra-evangelically.
(b). Inhabited by sentient creatures with fallen souls, through an
original but not inevitable ancestral sin so to be evangelised with
urgent missionary charity.
(c). Inhabited by sentient soul-endowed creatures who have not fallen,
who therefore
(1). inhabit an unfallen, sinless paradisal world
(2) who therefore we must contact not to propagandise, but in order
that we may learn from them the conditions (about which we can only
speculate) of creatures living in perpetual grace, endowed with all
the virtues in perfection, and both immortal and in complete happiness
for always possessed of and with the knowledge of God.
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| User: "Frank J Warner" |
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08 Apr 2005 09:44:26 PM |
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In article <gurd51drb4crlccbnmq0bjf6knngumgifh@4ax.com>, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 8 Apr 2005 13:48:11 -0700 in alt.atheism,
samir.ribic@alemsistem.com.ba (samir.ribic@alemsistem.com.ba) said,
directing the reply to alt.atheism
I have heard that some theologists think about: If there is an
inteligent life on other planets, do these creatures have the original
sin and need for Jesus?
I believe the RCC actually has a position on this! Apparently it
originates with Gerald Heard, who trained as a theologian. Anyway, it
goes like this:
If worlds other than earth posses sentient creatures (i.e. aliens)
then they fall into one of three categories:
(a) Inhabited by sentient creatures, but without souls; so to be
treated with compassion but extra-evangelically.
(b). Inhabited by sentient creatures with fallen souls, through an
original but not inevitable ancestral sin so to be evangelised with
urgent missionary charity.
(c). Inhabited by sentient soul-endowed creatures who have not fallen,
who therefore
(1). inhabit an unfallen, sinless paradisal world
(2) who therefore we must contact not to propagandise, but in order
that we may learn from them the conditions (about which we can only
speculate) of creatures living in perpetual grace, endowed with all
the virtues in perfection, and both immortal and in complete happiness
for always possessed of and with the knowledge of God.
Why am I reminded of the Twilight Zone episode, "To Serve Man"?
http://tzone.the-croc.com/tzeplist/serve.html
-Frank
--
fwarner1-at-franksknives-dot-com
Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com/
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Adam and Eve question |
08 Apr 2005 08:51:42 PM |
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wrote:
I have heard that some theologists think about: If there is an
inteligent life on other planets, do these creatures have the original
sin and need for Jesus?
No. According to the Bible, any other creature in existence must be
subservient to man and man is allowed to do what he will with them. So,
according to the Bible, aliens are pets. ;-)
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Adam and Eve question |
11 Apr 2005 02:39:58 AM |
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On 8 Apr 2005 13:48:11 -0700, wrote:
I have heard that some theologists think about: If there is an
inteligent life on other planets, do these creatures have the original
sin and need for Jesus?
They don't.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: Adam and Eve question |
11 Apr 2005 11:32:08 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On 8 Apr 2005 13:48:11 -0700, wrote:
I have heard that some theologists think about: If there is an
inteligent life on other planets, do these creatures have the original
sin and need for Jesus?
They don't.
Just remember, questions like this helped get Giordano
Bruno burnt at the stake.
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Apr 2005 02:50:50 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:32:08 -0500, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
stoney wrote:
On 8 Apr 2005 13:48:11 -0700, wrote:
I have heard that some theologists think about: If there is an
inteligent life on other planets, do these creatures have the original
sin and need for Jesus?
They don't.
Just remember, questions like this helped get Giordano
Bruno burnt at the stake.
They burned people at the stake for shits n' grins.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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13 Apr 2005 02:52:46 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:adcq51h9bmd05p080p26nchb984l7sg8ka@4ax.com...
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:32:08 -0500, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
stoney wrote:
On 8 Apr 2005 13:48:11 -0700, wrote:
I have heard that some theologists think about: If there is an
inteligent life on other planets, do these creatures have the original
sin and need for Jesus?
They don't.
Just remember, questions like this helped get Giordano
Bruno burnt at the stake.
They burned people at the stake for shits n' grins.
As well as to get their wealth and property :P
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Adam and Eve question |
14 Apr 2005 07:15:13 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:52:46 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:adcq51h9bmd05p080p26nchb984l7sg8ka@4ax.com...
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:32:08 -0500, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
stoney wrote:
On 8 Apr 2005 13:48:11 -0700, wrote:
I have heard that some theologists think about: If there is an
inteligent life on other planets, do these creatures have the original
sin and need for Jesus?
They don't.
Just remember, questions like this helped get Giordano
Bruno burnt at the stake.
They burned people at the stake for shits n' grins.
As well as to get their wealth and property :P
Yes, but they didn't talk about that.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Frank J Warner" |
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08 Apr 2005 09:42:00 PM |
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In article <1112992629.052978.81560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
skyeyes <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
Frank J. Warner wrote:
The Judeo-Christian apologetic answer is simple. Nowhere in Genesis
does it say that God did not create other people after he created Adam
& Eve.
Here's the problem with that, from the fundies' viewpoint: if God
created other people beside Adam and Eve, then it's perfectly possible
to *not* have Adam and Eve for ancestors - therefore the whole Original
Sin thing doesn't apply to some people.
Goddidit is a pretty powerful if inane argment. All the fundies have to
do is stipulate that the "later" creations inherited the sins of the
"first" ones, by God's fiat. They are, after all, the same "kind."
-Frank
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fwarner1-at-franksknives-dot-com
Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com/
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