God couldn't have known what would happen. He cannot know the speed and
direction of any particle.

Of course the whole Adam and Eve bit is pure fiction just like God is.

"TRUECRISTIAN" <XL3@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in news:1151104177.305776.254560
@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

Adam and Eve Were Set Up

According to the Bible:-

God knew in advance, before he even created Adam, that Adam would eat
the fruit.
God, knowing that Adam was going to eat the fruit, then told him not
to.
This is like pushing someone off a skyscraper and ordering them not to
hit the ground. The outcome was already known. No instructions to the
victim can change the outcome of something that is already known
absolutely.

Adam couldn't possibly have decided not to eat the fruit because God
already knew he would. If Adam did refuse to eat it then God would have
been wrong.

Of course this argument fails if you insist that God didn't know what
was going to happen.

Now lets look at the consequence of eating this fruit.

God Created this tree. He created it with fruit that had certain
attributes. He could have created the fruit with any attributes he
chose but he chose the fruit to have the magical property of causing
death to humans (loss of immortality). He designed it in such a way
that it would cause suffering to the whole of humanity if just one
person ate it.

The problem is that he knew in advance, before he created the tree that
Adam was indeed going to eat it. So, God is responsible for causing our
suffering. He not only knew that it would happen, He designed it that
way.

God couldn't have known what would happen. He cannot know the speed and
direction of any particle. If he doesn't know that then he doesn't know
everything present or future. If he can't handle a particle why would he
know something fundamentally more complex like the human psyche.

Of course the whole Adam and Eve bit is pure fiction just like God is.

After serious contemplation, on or about Friday 23 June 2006 7:09 pm
TRUECRISTIAN perhaps from

Adam and Eve Were Set Up

According to the Bible:-

God knew in advance, before he even created Adam, that Adam would eat
the fruit.

Within the story and as pertaining to the theology/philosophy of the
time the story was forumulated, the gods (Elohim is plural, not
singular) did not know in advance what Adam would do. In fact, one of
the mistakes the gods made was that they forgot to make a mate for Adam
in one of the two creation stories. For the same reason, the gods had
to go down and investigate the tower of Babel. As the theology
matured, the gods gradually turned into a singular one, at least for
Israel, and Yahweh was given the attribute of omniscience. But that
was not an original attribute.

God, knowing that Adam was going to eat the fruit, then told him not
to.
This is like pushing someone off a skyscraper and ordering them not to
hit the ground. The outcome was already known. No instructions to the
victim can change the outcome of something that is already known
absolutely.

They didn'tknow.

Adam couldn't possibly have decided not to eat the fruit because God
already knew he would. If Adam did refuse to eat it then God would
have been wrong.

God already admitted to having been wrong at least once in the bible,
and I'm pretty sure it was twice.

Of course this argument fails if you insist that God didn't know what
was going to happen.

I insist none of the gods knew what would happen.

Now lets look at the consequence of eating this fruit.

God Created this tree. He created it with fruit that had certain
attributes. He could have created the fruit with any attributes he
chose but he chose the fruit to have the magical property of causing
death to humans (loss of immortality).

No, the gods didn't. The magical properties of that particular fruit
was that those who ate it would become knowledgeable. Whoever ate the
fruit would know good and evil. And don't forget there was one other
tree in the garden -- that which conferred everlasting life. It was
for that reason the gods kicked Adam and Eve out of the garden, as the
gods said, lest "they become gods like we." There was nothing in the
story that gave the gods' creatures immortality automatically. For
that they needed to have eaten from the fruit of the Tree of
Everlasting Life. And nothing in the story ever mentions whether the
effects of either tree conferred the magic permanently.

You are reading later philosophy into the primitive fable.

He designed it in such a way
that it would cause suffering to the whole of humanity if just one
person ate it.

You are thowing elements into the story that are not there. Remember
all of humanity was guilty of eating the fruit of that tree (although
we surmise only Adam and Eve made up all of humanity). And since there
were multiple gods, it was a joint decision.

The problem is that he knew in advance, before he created the tree
that Adam was indeed going to eat it. So, God is responsible for
causing our suffering. He not only knew that it would happen, He
designed it that way.

Again, you are reading later theology into the earlier story.