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30 Aug 2005 01:23:24 PM |
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ADL’s Foxman Totally Confused about 1st Amendment |
HUMAN EVENTS ONLINE: The National Conservative News Weekly
Social & Domestic Issues
ADL’s Foxman Totally Confused about 1st Amendment
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=8768
[excerpt]
by Don Feder
Posted Aug 29, 2005
The Anti-Defamation League ostensibly exists to oppose anti-Semitism. And
it does - on occasion - when it isn't too busy bashing evangelicals,
fighting Christianity and creating double standards.
Despite its reputation, the ADL is not a Jewish organization. There's
nothing distinctly Jewish (i.e., grounded in Jewish law) about its
operations. It's really just another left-wing group, with a leftist
agenda. Politically, it is virtually indistinguishable from the American
Civil Liberties Union, People for the American Way or Americans United for
the (so-called) Separation of Church and State.
As a conservative Jewish activist told me recently of the ADL's National
Director and principal spokesman, "Abe Foxman has a problem with
Christianity" - unfortunate in that he's living in a country that's over
80% Christian.
Foxman's latest foray in political correctness was an attack on Rev. Jerry
Falwell earlier this month, when the latter included an "I Vote Christian"
sticker in a fundraising mailing.
Falwell's sticker is "directly at odds with the American ideal, and should
be rejected," Foxman lectured. "Understanding the danger of combining
religion and politics, our founding fathers wisely created a political
system based on individual merit and religious inclusiveness."
Abe has been reading Al Franken's Introduction to U.S. History again. His
is a fantasy version of the American saga soothing to the secular left -
wherein Washington, Adams, Hamilton et. al appear as 18th. century
counterparts of the American Humanist Association - Howard Dean-clones in
powdered wigs and buckled shoes.
The Founding Fathers so wanted to establish a system based on religious
inclusiveness -- by which Foxman means militant secularism - that, in the
Declaration of Independence, they made God the foundation of our system of
government. ("That all men are created equal, that they are endowed by
their Creator with certain unalienable rights ... that to secure these
rights governments are instituted among men...")
It's fascinating the way the left's distortion of the First Amendment
establishment clause keeps morphing. To the Founders, it meant just what it
says - No establishment of religion, no national church. If they wanted a
total separation of government and religion, then why - as one of its first
acts -- did the first Congress to hire a chaplain, whose salary was paid
out of its budget?
Of all the lies of the left, separation of church and state (words, by the
way, which appear nowhere in the Constitution) is the one it clings to most
tenaciously.
[end of excerpt]
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You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: ADL's Foxman Totally Confused about 1st Amendment |
30 Aug 2005 03:20:30 PM |
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The Declaration of Independance has nothing to do with the US
government. The declaration was written 25 years before the current US
government was even formed. The basis of the US government is the
Constitution, which no where implies that the United States is based on
any form of theism.
You may want to direct your attention (actually I want you to direct
your attention, you apparently want to avoid looking at it at all
costs) to article 6 of the Constitution which espressly forbids any
religious test for holding public office.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: ADL's Foxman Totally Confused about 1st Amendment |
31 Aug 2005 06:15:03 AM |
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"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
:|The Declaration of Independance has nothing to do with the US
:|government. The declaration was written 25 years before the current US
:|government was even formed. The basis of the US government is the
:|Constitution, which no where implies that the United States is based on
:|any form of theism.
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:|You may want to direct your attention (actually I want you to direct
:|your attention, you apparently want to avoid looking at it at all
:|costs) to article 6 of the Constitution which espressly forbids any
:|religious test for holding public office.
Who is this "you" you are talking to?
Are you unable to separate new articles. letters to the Ed and the like
from the poster when the poster has a different ID than the article
writer?
The Radical Religious Right/theocrats have been learning and learning well
how to use all aspects of the internet, including the UseNet newsgroups to
further their goals
I am returning the favor
My posts take two forms:
(1) Pro strict separation of church and state and consists of various
things from a variety of sources, including our own website
(2) Keeping people informed about the opposition by posting things the
theocratic radical religious right is doing, posting publishing etc
That article was written by another person, not by me. It was found on
what appears to be a very conservative web site
One can call it theocrats in action for that is what it is
BTW, there are theocrats, i e radical religious right groups and
individuals, thus using that term is not name calling. it is identifying.
The theocrats, the radical religious right do want to set up a theocratic
society. They do not deny it
That is a far cry from the usual labeling or name calling done when people
use terms such as liberals, conservatives, atheists, fundies, and so on and
so forth
Now if the "you" you were referrign to was myself, I think I can safely say
I know more about church state than most people on here.
If you have any doubts cherck out the following sites, etc
Just for fun you might even enjoy the following I put together:
The Declaration of Independence (1776)
* Introduction
* Declaration of Independence: Its Purpose
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/doipurp.htm
* Jefferson's Declaration of Independence did not use the word
"Creator"
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/doitj.htm
* Lincoln's reinventing of the Declaration of Independence
* The United States Supreme Court and the Declaration of Independence
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/doisussc.htm
* An analysis of the Declaration of Independence
o Declaration of Independence: Preamble
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/doi-pream.htm
o Declaration of Independence is not law
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/doinotlaw.htm
o The Declaration of Independence Didn't Create Independence,
Didn't "Found" Anything, Didn't Separate Anything: It Was an Explanation
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/doiexplain.htm
"Founding" Documents and Religion (1776-1791)
* Founding Documents and Religion, DOI, AOC, Constitution, BORs
o A Big Fuss Over Nothing: An analysis of real and imagined
references to God, Christianity and Religion and lack thereof in obvious
places in five documents from the founding period of our history: the
Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, Northwest
Ordinance, Federalist Papers, Constitution of the United States
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/bigfuss.htm
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Posting and reading mostly from alt.politics.usa.constitution and
occasionally from alt.education
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members]
For people in Hampton Roads area of Virginia you are also invited to join
NORFOLK/VA. B. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE MEETUP GROUP
http://churchandstate.meetup.com/47/
Virginia Chapter Americans United for Separation of Church and State
http://au-va.org/
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
"Dedicated to combatting 'history by sound bite'."
Now including a re-publication of Tom Peters
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE HOME PAGE
and
Audio links to Supreme Court oral arguments and
Speech by civil rights/constitutional lawyer and others.
This site is a member of the following web rings:
Freethought Ring--&--Freethought, Religion & Beliefs Ring
The First Amendment Ring--&--The Church-State Ring
American History WebRing--&--The History Ring
Let Freedom Ring--&--Religious Freedom Ring
Law Issues Ring--&--Legal Research Ring
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