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User: "johac"
Date: 23 Dec 2005 01:49:59 AM
Object: Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue (whining) Despite Ruling
I guess that they like getting their butts kicked. Some of the quotes
are rather revealing.
---
Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue Despite Ruling
By Michael Powell
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 22, 2005; A03
A federal judge's ruling in Pennsylvania that "intelligent design" is
religious fundamentalism dressed in the raiment of science has wounded a
politically influential movement.
"It was a real disappointment," biochemist Michael J. Behe, who
testified in the trial, said from his office at Lehigh University. "It's
hard to say this chills the atmosphere, because if you're publicly known
as an ID supporter you can already kiss your tenure chances goodbye. It
doesn't help."
But Behe and other proponents of intelligent design emphasized that the
court decision would not cast them into the political and cultural
wilderness. They have pushed their theory, which holds that life is too
complicated to have arisen without the hand of a supernatural creator,
to the center of legislative debates in more than a dozen states, and
they intend to keep it there.
Some politically influential backers of intelligent design warned that
U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III, who was appointed by President
Bush, so overreached that his ruling will outrage and inflame millions
of conservative and religiously observant Americans.
"This decision is a poster child for a half-century secularist reign of
terror that's coming to a rapid end with Justice Roberts and soon-to-be
Justice Alito," said Richard Land, who is president of the Southern
Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission and is a
political ally of White House adviser Karl Rove. "This was an extremely
injudicious judge who went way, way beyond his boundaries -- if he had
any eyes on advancing up the judicial ladder, he just sawed off the
bottom rung."
Jones's expansively written decision incorporated the scientific
critique of intelligent design as pseudoscience in almost every detail.
Legally, that decision is not binding in other states, such as Kansas,
where the state school board is debating incorporating a critique of
Darwinian evolution into its state standards.
Kansas officials said they would not mandate specific mention of
intelligent design.
"The heart of science should be looking at the gaps in theory and trying
to figure out what that's about," said Steve Abrams, a Kansas school
board member. "This decision will perhaps have an effect on other
states, but we don't talk about intelligent design."
Still, few advocates of intelligent design tried to hide their dismay
with the judge's decision. The Discovery Institute, a Seattle-based
think tank, wrote that the judge has a "pernicious understanding of what
intellectual and religious freedom in America means." Some acknowledged
that the decision foreshadows a much longer and more complicated battle
for public acceptance.
Steve Fuller, a philosopher of science at the University of Warwick in
England, whose politics tend to the left, said he worries that Jones's
decision will drive an intriguing if still half-formed challenge to
Darwinian theory out of the academy and into the theology schools. "The
judge's ruling really puts the burden on the intelligent-design guys,"
Fuller said. "The judge's ruling that the theory is theology could
become a self-fulfilling prophecy."
Other advocates take comfort in history. They note that in 1925, lawyer
Clarence Darrow argued and lost the Scopes "monkey trial," in which a
teacher was convicted of teaching that man descended from apes. But in
the long run, that loss became a victory for evolutionary theory.
William A. Dembski, a philosopher and math professor at Southern
Seminary in Louisville, wrote in his Web log that the loss in
Pennsylvania means thousands more young people "would continue to be
indoctrinated into a neo-Darwinian view of biological origins." But he
wrote that the future is bright.
"ID is rapidly going international and crossing metaphysical and
theological boundaries," Dembski wrote. "The important thing is ID's
intellectual vitality."
---
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/21/AR2005122
101959.html
--
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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User: ""

Title: "Intelligent Design" - Why Do They Waste Time on a Dead Argument? 27 Dec 2005 01:07:52 PM
David Hume put this arguement to bed a long time ago - to wit:
Even if we allow those who advocate the existence of "Intelligent
Design" that there is "Intelligent Design", it is fair to ask; How do
we get from "Intelligent Design" to ONE designer?
For those of you who support "Intelligent Design" as a proof for the
existence of God, that is known as a knock-out rebuttal.
Someone please count the losers out
.
User: "Steve Knight"

Title: Re: "Intelligent Design" - Why Do They Waste Time on a Dead Argument? 27 Dec 2005 08:20:02 PM
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:07:52 GMT, AquaGent@out_here_somewhere.org
wrote:

David Hume put this arguement to bed a long time ago - to wit:


Even if we allow those who advocate the existence of "Intelligent
Design" that there is "Intelligent Design", it is fair to ask; How do
we get from "Intelligent Design" to ONE designer?

It can be taken further by simply asking whom the Designer is.
What's his name? What does he look like?
There is nothing about ID that can be investigated by any
scientific means. So any question put to it becomes mute.
It's like trying tell a primitive Stone Age savage what your .357
magnum will do to his bow and arrows.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
.


User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue (whining) Despite Ruling 27 Dec 2005 09:20:11 AM
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:49:59 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:

I guess that they like getting their butts kicked. Some of the quotes
are rather revealing.

---
Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue Despite Ruling

By Michael Powell
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 22, 2005; A03

A federal judge's ruling in Pennsylvania that "intelligent design" is
religious fundamentalism dressed in the raiment of science has wounded a
politically influential movement.

"It was a real disappointment," biochemist Michael J. Behe, who
testified in the trial, said from his office at Lehigh University. "It's
hard to say this chills the atmosphere, because if you're publicly known
as an ID supporter you can already kiss your tenure chances goodbye. It
doesn't help."

Lying by omission. He daren't give the actual reason why or his whole
house of cards will come tumbling down.

But Behe and other proponents of intelligent design emphasized that the
court decision would not cast them into the political and cultural
wilderness. They have pushed their theory, which holds that life is too
complicated to have arisen without the hand of a supernatural creator,
to the center of legislative debates in more than a dozen states, and
they intend to keep it there.

So they'll come up with yet another unjustified, baselass claim
plucked out of thin air and demand it be given equal time with
science. They'll still scam their followers but fool even less people
next time.

Some politically influential backers of intelligent design warned that
U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III, who was appointed by President
Bush, so overreached that his ruling will outrage and inflame millions
of conservative and religiously observant Americans.

And they're wrong.

"This decision is a poster child for a half-century secularist reign of
terror that's coming to a rapid end with Justice Roberts and soon-to-be
Justice Alito," said Richard Land, who is president of the Southern
Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission and is a
political ally of White House adviser Karl Rove. "This was an extremely
injudicious judge who went way, way beyond his boundaries -- if he had
any eyes on advancing up the judicial ladder, he just sawed off the
bottom rung."

LAnd is lying.

Jones's expansively written decision incorporated the scientific
critique of intelligent design as pseudoscience in almost every detail.
Legally, that decision is not binding in other states, such as Kansas,
where the state school board is debating incorporating a critique of
Darwinian evolution into its state standards.

It's pathetic really.

Kansas officials said they would not mandate specific mention of
intelligent design.

"The heart of science should be looking at the gaps in theory and trying
to figure out what that's about," said Steve Abrams, a Kansas school
board member. "This decision will perhaps have an effect on other
states, but we don't talk about intelligent design."

What qualifies this redneck fundy moron to tell scientists what
science is?

Still, few advocates of intelligent design tried to hide their dismay
with the judge's decision. The Discovery Institute, a Seattle-based
think tank, wrote that the judge has a "pernicious understanding of what
intellectual and religious freedom in America means." Some acknowledged
that the decision foreshadows a much longer and more complicated battle
for public acceptance.

And they were lying as well.

Steve Fuller, a philosopher of science at the University of Warwick in
England, whose politics tend to the left, said he worries that Jones's
decision will drive an intriguing if still half-formed challenge to
Darwinian theory out of the academy and into the theology schools. "The
judge's ruling really puts the burden on the intelligent-design guys,"
Fuller said. "The judge's ruling that the theory is theology could
become a self-fulfilling prophecy."

So was he. There is no "challenge to Darwinian theory". Science has
gone on since Darwin and incorporated his insight.

Other advocates take comfort in history. They note that in 1925, lawyer
Clarence Darrow argued and lost the Scopes "monkey trial," in which a
teacher was convicted of teaching that man descended from apes. But in
the long run, that loss became a victory for evolutionary theory.

It wasn't a defeat for the facts of evolution and their scientific
explanation wich was derived by investigation and observation.
He was found guilty of the crime of teaching it, which was overturned
on a technicality.


William A. Dembski, a philosopher and math professor at Southern
Seminary in Louisville, wrote in his Web log that the loss in
Pennsylvania means thousands more young people "would continue to be
indoctrinated into a neo-Darwinian view of biological origins." But he
wrote that the future is bright.

And he's lying as well.


"ID is rapidly going international and crossing metaphysical and
theological boundaries," Dembski wrote. "The important thing is ID's
intellectual vitality."

And again.
ID explains nothing, predicts nothing and is baseless.



---
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/21/AR2005122
101959.html
--
John Hachmann aa #1782

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire

Contact - Throw a .net over the .com

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User: "AZ Nomad"

Title: Re: Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue (whining) Despite Ruling 23 Dec 2005 11:20:59 AM
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:49:59 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:

I guess that they like getting their butts kicked. Some of the quotes
are rather revealing.

Nah. They were abused as children (tought christianity as fact) and won't
be happy until they can abuse not only their own children but everybody elses.
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue (whining) Despite Ruling 24 Dec 2005 01:44:42 AM
In article <slrndqocgb.7ik.aznomad@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net>,
AZ Nomad <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com> wrote:

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:49:59 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:


I guess that they like getting their butts kicked. Some of the quotes
are rather revealing.


Nah. They were abused as children (tought christianity as fact) and won't
be happy until they can abuse not only their own children but everybody elses.

That's pretty par for the course.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.

User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue (whining) Despite Ruling 25 Dec 2005 09:25:34 AM
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:20:59 GMT, AZ Nomad <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com>
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:49:59 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:


I guess that they like getting their butts kicked. Some of the quotes
are rather revealing.


Nah. They were abused as children (tought christianity as fact) and won't
be happy until they can abuse not only their own children but everybody elses.

Misery loves company, but company doesn't reciprocate.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue (whining) Despite Ruling 25 Dec 2005 08:54:00 AM
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 07:25:34 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:20:59 GMT, AZ Nomad <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com>
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:49:59 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:


I guess that they like getting their butts kicked. Some of the quotes
are rather revealing.


Nah. They were abused as children (tought christianity as fact) and won't
be happy until they can abuse not only their own children but everybody elses.


Misery loves company, but company doesn't reciprocate.

Demski and Robertson's own words prove they were lying through their
teeth when they denied theat ID was religious. In other words they
proved they perjured themselves.
http://www.pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1135248153247780.xml&coll=1
"This galvanizes the Christian community," said William Dembski, a
leading proponent of the theory and a senior fellow at the Discovery
Institute, a Seattle think tank that promotes intelligent design
research. "People I'm talking to say we're going to be raising a whole
lot more funds now."
Although I wish the reporter had the balls not to call it research.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4427144.stm
"God is tolerant and loving, but we can't keep sticking our finger in
his eye forever," Robertson said. "If they have future problems in
Dover, I recommend they call on Charles Darwin. Maybe he can help
them."
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue (whining) Despite Ruling 26 Dec 2005 10:12:40 AM
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:54:00 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 07:25:34 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:20:59 GMT, AZ Nomad <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com>
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:49:59 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:


I guess that they like getting their butts kicked. Some of the quotes
are rather revealing.


Nah. They were abused as children (tought christianity as fact) and won't
be happy until they can abuse not only their own children but everybody elses.


Misery loves company, but company doesn't reciprocate.


Demski and Robertson's own words prove they were lying through their
teeth when they denied theat ID was religious. In other words they
proved they perjured themselves.

Of course they perjure themselves. It's a sacrament for them.

http://www.pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1135248153247780.xml&coll=1

"This galvanizes the Christian community," said William Dembski, a
leading proponent of the theory and a senior fellow at the Discovery
Institute, a Seattle think tank that promotes intelligent design
research. "People I'm talking to say we're going to be raising a whole
lot more funds now."

Although I wish the reporter had the balls not to call it research.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4427144.stm

"God is tolerant and loving, but we can't keep sticking our finger in
his eye forever," Robertson said. "If they have future problems in
Dover, I recommend they call on Charles Darwin. Maybe he can help
them."

--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.




User: ""

Title: Re: Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue (whining) Despite Ruling 23 Dec 2005 09:41:48 AM
johac wrote:

I guess that they like getting their butts kicked. Some of the quotes
are rather revealing.

---
Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue Despite Ruling

By Michael Powell
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 22, 2005; A03

[...]

"ID is rapidly going international and crossing metaphysical and
theological boundaries," Dembski wrote. "The important thing is ID's
intellectual vitality."

In that case ID is already sunk because dressing up Paley's early 19th
century design argument in the garb of maths and science doesn't amount
to intellectual vitality. It's intellectual atavism.
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue (whining) Despite Ruling 25 Dec 2005 01:42:26 AM
In article <1135352508.031939.113840@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:

johac wrote:

I guess that they like getting their butts kicked. Some of the quotes
are rather revealing.

---
Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue Despite Ruling

By Michael Powell
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 22, 2005; A03


[...]

"ID is rapidly going international and crossing metaphysical and
theological boundaries," Dembski wrote. "The important thing is ID's
intellectual vitality."


In that case ID is already sunk because dressing up Paley's early 19th
century design argument in the garb of maths and science doesn't amount
to intellectual vitality. It's intellectual atavism.

That and the fact that they never provide any evidence for a designer,
be it a god or some other critter, nor do they even postulate a
reasonable mechanism by which the 'designer' could have effected the
biological changes leading to the diversity of life that we see today.
Not only does Intelligent Design explain nothing, it doesn't even try.
It's all "Have faith, trust me".
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "Jason"

Title: Re: Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue (whining) Despite Ruling 25 Dec 2005 11:15:00 AM
In article <jhachmann-84E5DB.23422624122005@news.giganews.com>, johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:

In article <1135352508.031939.113840@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
dene_bebbo@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

johac wrote:

I guess that they like getting their butts kicked. Some of the quotes
are rather revealing.

---
Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue Despite Ruling

By Michael Powell
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 22, 2005; A03


[...]

"ID is rapidly going international and crossing metaphysical and
theological boundaries," Dembski wrote. "The important thing is ID's
intellectual vitality."


In that case ID is already sunk because dressing up Paley's early 19th
century design argument in the garb of maths and science doesn't amount
to intellectual vitality. It's intellectual atavism.


That and the fact that they never provide any evidence for a designer,
be it a god or some other critter, nor do they even postulate a
reasonable mechanism by which the 'designer' could have effected the
biological changes leading to the diversity of life that we see today.

Not only does Intelligent Design explain nothing, it doesn't even try.
It's all "Have faith, trust me".

On the other hand, evolutionists have no proof that life can evolve from
non-life or that mankind evolved from a one celled life form. Not only
does
evolution theory explain nothing in regard to how life came to be--it does
not even try. It's all "Have faith that life evolved from non-life--trust
me".
Merry Christmas,
Jason
--
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We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice.
We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people.
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue (whining) Despite Ruling 26 Dec 2005 12:35:01 AM
In article <jason-2512050915000001@pm4-broad-48.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
(Jason) wrote:

In article <jhachmann-84E5DB.23422624122005@news.giganews.com>, johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:

In article <1135352508.031939.113840@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
dene_bebbo@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

johac wrote:

I guess that they like getting their butts kicked. Some of the quotes
are rather revealing.

---
Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue Despite Ruling

By Michael Powell
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 22, 2005; A03


[...]

"ID is rapidly going international and crossing metaphysical and
theological boundaries," Dembski wrote. "The important thing is ID's
intellectual vitality."


In that case ID is already sunk because dressing up Paley's early 19th
century design argument in the garb of maths and science doesn't amount
to intellectual vitality. It's intellectual atavism.


That and the fact that they never provide any evidence for a designer,
be it a god or some other critter, nor do they even postulate a
reasonable mechanism by which the 'designer' could have effected the
biological changes leading to the diversity of life that we see today.

Not only does Intelligent Design explain nothing, it doesn't even try.
It's all "Have faith, trust me".


On the other hand, evolutionists have no proof that life can evolve from
non-life or that mankind evolved from a one celled life form. Not only
does
evolution theory explain nothing in regard to how life came to be--it does
not even try. It's all "Have faith that life evolved from non-life--trust
me".

Now I'm sure that you've been told a thousand times by now that
evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life, but what happened
afterwards.
Origin of life is a different study. At present we have several
interesting hypotheses, but as yet not enough data to come up with a
workable theory. Nothing so far indicates that life could not have
arisen by natural means or that anything supernatural was involved.

Merry Christmas,

Cool Yule.

Jason

--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.



User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue (whining) Despite Ruling 25 Dec 2005 09:24:38 AM
On 23 Dec 2005 07:41:48 -0800,
wrote:

johac wrote:

I guess that they like getting their butts kicked. Some of the quotes
are rather revealing.

---
Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue Despite Ruling

By Michael Powell
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 22, 2005; A03


[...]

"ID is rapidly going international and crossing metaphysical and
theological boundaries," Dembski wrote. "The important thing is ID's
intellectual vitality."


In that case ID is already sunk because dressing up Paley's early 19th
century design argument in the garb of maths and science doesn't amount
to intellectual vitality. It's intellectual atavism.

Yes, but they're not intelligent enough to realize that.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue (whining) Despite Ruling 24 Dec 2005 10:15:06 AM
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 07:24:38 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On 23 Dec 2005 07:41:48 -0800,

wrote:

johac wrote:

I guess that they like getting their butts kicked. Some of the quotes
are rather revealing.

---
Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue Despite Ruling

By Michael Powell
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 22, 2005; A03


[...]

"ID is rapidly going international and crossing metaphysical and
theological boundaries," Dembski wrote. "The important thing is ID's
intellectual vitality."


In that case ID is already sunk because dressing up Paley's early 19th
century design argument in the garb of maths and science doesn't amount
to intellectual vitality. It's intellectual atavism.


Yes, but they're not intelligent enough to realize that.

The leaders know they're lying. But they've conned their grass roots
followers.
It's totally frustrating to have yet another idiot, liar or both
insist that ID is scientific, insist that evolution breaks the 2nd law
of thermodynamics etc and be totally unable to get through to them.
Yesterday I heard an interesting variant: evolution breaks the second
law of thermodynamics therefore evolution took intelligent input from
God.
He kept repeating creationist canards while at the same time insisting
that he wasn't a creationist. And he "isn't ignorant, he's got a PhD"
I never had a chance to explain anything because as soon as I opened
my mouth, he fired another silver bullet.
This came out of fundamentalists lying trough their teeth at the Dover
trial, and the guy saying that while he (doctrinally) had no reason to
reject evolution, ID also made sense.
In the heart of Silicon Valley.
I really worry for the country. Dark ages here we come again.
This sums it up:
http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20051218
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue (whining) Despite Ruling 25 Dec 2005 08:34:09 AM
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:15:06 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 07:24:38 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On 23 Dec 2005 07:41:48 -0800,

wrote:

johac wrote:

I guess that they like getting their butts kicked. Some of the quotes
are rather revealing.

---
Advocates of 'Intelligent Design' Vow to Continue Despite Ruling

By Michael Powell
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 22, 2005; A03


[...]

"ID is rapidly going international and crossing metaphysical and
theological boundaries," Dembski wrote. "The important thing is ID's
intellectual vitality."


In that case ID is already sunk because dressing up Paley's early 19th
century design argument in the garb of maths and science doesn't amount
to intellectual vitality. It's intellectual atavism.


Yes, but they're not intelligent enough to realize that.


The leaders know they're lying. But they've conned their grass roots
followers.

It's totally frustrating to have yet another idiot, liar or both
insist that ID is scientific, insist that evolution breaks the 2nd law
of thermodynamics etc and be totally unable to get through to them.

Yesterday I heard an interesting variant: evolution breaks the second
law of thermodynamics therefore evolution took intelligent input from
God.

He kept repeating creationist canards while at the same time insisting
that he wasn't a creationist. And he "isn't ignorant, he's got a PhD"

PhD doesn't mean the person can think. And he is ignorant of the
topic he's whining about.

I never had a chance to explain anything because as soon as I opened
my mouth, he fired another silver bullet.

This came out of fundamentalists lying trough their teeth at the Dover
trial, and the guy saying that while he (doctrinally) had no reason to
reject evolution, ID also made sense.

Emotional needs on his part.

In the heart of Silicon Valley.

I really worry for the country. Dark ages here we come again.

The country is beyond recovery.

This sums it up:
http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20051218

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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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