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"J Young" |
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12 Apr 2005 04:35:59 AM |
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Advocating alternatives to abortion |
When opponents object to these centers, it only re-enforces the notion
that "pro-choice" is really just another name for "pro-abortion".
http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/news/local/11350717.htm
Advocating alternatives to abortion
'Pregnancy centers' are in line for a $2.5 million state grant
In most ways, the Wakota Life-Care Center still looks like the
dentist's office it once was.
The West St. Paul center, housed in a one-story brick-and-stucco
building, almost blends into the strip malls and big-box stores on
South Robert Street. The large red-and-white sign outside the center,
however, stands out - it advertises free pregnancy testing, sexually
transmitted disease testing and immunization.
Wakota isn't really a doctor's office - though volunteer physicians
do take appointments there twice a month. It is one of about 100
anti-abortion centers that dot Minnesota.
"What keeps me in it is my belief I am helping the women and helping
the babies," said Pat Foley, longtime administrator of the Wakota
center.
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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| Title: Re: Advocating alternatives to abortion |
12 Apr 2005 05:13:04 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1113280559.097382.217790@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
When opponents object to these centers
Who objects to those centers?
The objection is to public dollars going towards religious indoctrination.
-Jeff
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Advocating alternatives to abortion |
12 Apr 2005 03:03:44 PM |
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In article <1113280559.097382.217790@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com says...
Advocating alternatives to abortion
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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| Title: Re: Advocating alternatives to abortion |
12 Apr 2005 06:21:33 PM |
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"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc5f3ac8aa5f51298c515@news.uni-berlin.de...
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
Incorrect. The best alternative to aborting a pregnancy is preventing it in
the first place.
-Jeff
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Advocating alternatives to abortion |
12 Apr 2005 08:41:51 PM |
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In article <1113329715.c74d7877c1eeb0d93f2b46203f82970b@meganetnews2>,
seattledemocracy@hotmail.com says...
"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc5f3ac8aa5f51298c515@news.uni-berlin.de...
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
Incorrect.
Nope. It is utterly correct.
Whwen there is a pregnancy there are two possible coyurse - abortion or
continuation. No other course is possible.
The best alternative to aborting a pregnancy is preventing it in
the first place.
Not an alternative, idiot! ;-))
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| User: "Sgt." |
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| Title: Re: Advocating alternatives to abortion |
12 Apr 2005 10:14:13 PM |
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Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <1113329715.c74d7877c1eeb0d93f2b46203f82970b@meganetnews2>,
seattledemocracy@hotmail.com says...
"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc5f3ac8aa5f51298c515@news.uni-berlin.de...
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
Incorrect.
Nope. It is utterly correct.
Whwen there is a pregnancy there are two possible coyurse - abortion or
continuation. No other course is possible.
Obviously Pat Winstanley doesn't want to mention the a-word: adoption.
Kinda makes her sound anti-choice, doesn't it....
The best alternative to aborting a pregnancy is preventing it in
the first place.
Not an alternative, idiot! ;-))
Anti-choicer!
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Advocating alternatives to abortion |
15 Apr 2005 04:00:40 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:14:13 +1200, "Sgt." <123@123.123> wrote:
Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <1113329715.c74d7877c1eeb0d93f2b46203f82970b@meganetnews2>,
seattledemocracy@hotmail.com says...
"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc5f3ac8aa5f51298c515@news.uni-berlin.de...
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
Incorrect.
Nope. It is utterly correct.
Whwen there is a pregnancy there are two possible coyurse - abortion or
continuation. No other course is possible.
Obviously Pat Winstanley doesn't want to mention the a-word: adoption.
Kinda makes her sound anti-choice, doesn't it....
The best alternative to aborting a pregnancy is preventing it in
the first place.
Not an alternative, idiot! ;-))
Anti-choicer!
What a lying ignorant moron you are.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "John Baker" |
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13 Apr 2005 02:06:15 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:14:13 +1200, "Sgt." <123@123.123> wrote:
Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <1113329715.c74d7877c1eeb0d93f2b46203f82970b@meganetnews2>,
seattledemocracy@hotmail.com says...
"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc5f3ac8aa5f51298c515@news.uni-berlin.de...
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
Incorrect.
Nope. It is utterly correct.
Whwen there is a pregnancy there are two possible coyurse - abortion or
continuation. No other course is possible.
Obviously Pat Winstanley doesn't want to mention the a-word: adoption.
Kinda makes her sound anti-choice, doesn't it....
Your post kind of makes it sound like you're either missing Pat's
point or you enjoy building strawmen. Which is it, Sarge?
The best alternative to aborting a pregnancy is preventing it in
the first place.
Not an alternative, idiot! ;-))
Anti-choicer!
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| User: "stoney" |
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15 Apr 2005 04:01:21 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 02:06:15 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:14:13 +1200, "Sgt." <123@123.123> wrote:
Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <1113329715.c74d7877c1eeb0d93f2b46203f82970b@meganetnews2>,
seattledemocracy@hotmail.com says...
"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc5f3ac8aa5f51298c515@news.uni-berlin.de...
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
Incorrect.
Nope. It is utterly correct.
Whwen there is a pregnancy there are two possible coyurse - abortion or
continuation. No other course is possible.
Obviously Pat Winstanley doesn't want to mention the a-word: adoption.
Kinda makes her sound anti-choice, doesn't it....
Your post kind of makes it sound like you're either missing Pat's
point or you enjoy building strawmen. Which is it, Sarge?
Yes.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Advocating alternatives to abortion |
12 Apr 2005 11:17:56 PM |
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Sgt. wrote:
Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <1113329715.c74d7877c1eeb0d93f2b46203f82970b@meganetnews2>,
seattledemocracy@hotmail.com says...
"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc5f3ac8aa5f51298c515@news.uni-berlin.de...
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
Incorrect.
Nope. It is utterly correct.
Whwen there is a pregnancy there are two possible coyurse - abortion or
continuation. No other course is possible.
Obviously Pat Winstanley doesn't want to mention the a-word: adoption.
Welcome to Sarge's School of Deception.
1. When you have no argument, build a strawman to knock down.
Adoption is part of the "continuation" course. Adoption cannot be done
until the baby is born. Therefore, it's part of the "continuation" course.
Kinda makes her sound anti-choice, doesn't it....
Kinda makes you sound deceptive, doesn't it...
The best alternative to aborting a pregnancy is preventing it in
the first place.
Not an alternative, idiot! ;-))
Anti-choicer!
Sorry, but abortion can only be done once the process has begun. You
can't abort the countdown of the Space Shuttle until you START the
countdown.
So, what's your GPA at Sarge's School of Deception?
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| User: "stoney" |
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15 Apr 2005 04:01:04 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:17:56 -0700, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Sgt. wrote:
Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <1113329715.c74d7877c1eeb0d93f2b46203f82970b@meganetnews2>,
seattledemocracy@hotmail.com says...
"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc5f3ac8aa5f51298c515@news.uni-berlin.de...
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
Incorrect.
Nope. It is utterly correct.
Whwen there is a pregnancy there are two possible coyurse - abortion or
continuation. No other course is possible.
Obviously Pat Winstanley doesn't want to mention the a-word: adoption.
Welcome to Sarge's School of Deception.
1. When you have no argument, build a strawman to knock down.
Adoption is part of the "continuation" course. Adoption cannot be done
until the baby is born. Therefore, it's part of the "continuation" course.
Kinda makes her sound anti-choice, doesn't it....
Kinda makes you sound deceptive, doesn't it...
The best alternative to aborting a pregnancy is preventing it in
the first place.
Not an alternative, idiot! ;-))
Anti-choicer!
Sorry, but abortion can only be done once the process has begun. You
can't abort the countdown of the Space Shuttle until you START the
countdown.
So, what's your GPA at Sarge's School of Deception?
George Bush.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "John Baker" |
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12 Apr 2005 08:07:48 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:21:33 -0700, "Jeff Welch"
<seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc5f3ac8aa5f51298c515@news.uni-berlin.de...
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
Incorrect. The best alternative to aborting a pregnancy is preventing it in
the first place.
That's hardly a viable option when a pregnancy already exists, Jeff,
which, I believe, is what Pat meant. In any case, 100% prevention
isn't possible even with the best contraceptives. How, then, do we
deal with the occasional unwanted pregnancy that results from
contraceptive failure? As Pat pointed out, once a woman is pregnant,
the only options available are abortion or carrying to term. So how do
we deal with this? Do we concede that only the woman involved has the
right to make that choice either way, or do we abuse the rule of law
to force a woman who doesn't want to bear a child to do so against her
will?
-Jeff
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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12 Apr 2005 08:17:13 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:4t9o51hfdrsr9psil694jj52929ehron7k@4ax.com...
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
Incorrect. The best alternative to aborting a pregnancy is preventing it
in
the first place.
That's hardly a viable option when a pregnancy already exists, Jeff
No *****, Sherlock.
How, then, do we deal with the occasional unwanted pregnancy that results
from
contraceptive failure?
By as a society making sure that women have options - from adoption to
abortion - to deal with those unwanted pregnancies of course.
Do we concede that only the woman involved has the
right to make that choice either way, or do we abuse the rule of law
to force a woman who doesn't want to bear a child to do so against her
will?
I can't see either extreme making a whole lot of sense.
-Jeff
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Advocating alternatives to abortion |
12 Apr 2005 09:58:02 PM |
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In article <1113336655.5661ac8aae4e553cf66098914aa5e778@meganetnews2>,
seattledemocracy@hotmail.com says...
How, then, do we deal with the occasional unwanted pregnancy that results
from
contraceptive failure?
By as a society making sure that women have options - from adoption to
abortion - to deal with those unwanted pregnancies of course.
Adoption isn't an alternative to abortion or birth.
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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12 Apr 2005 10:23:51 PM |
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"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc654c28b332a0598c524@news.uni-berlin.de...
In article <1113336655.5661ac8aae4e553cf66098914aa5e778@meganetnews2>,
seattledemocracy@hotmail.com says...
How, then, do we deal with the occasional unwanted pregnancy that
results
from
contraceptive failure?
By as a society making sure that women have options - from adoption to
abortion - to deal with those unwanted pregnancies of course.
Adoption isn't an alternative to abortion or birth.
The statement was in relation to "the occasional unwanted pregnancy".
-Jeff
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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12 Apr 2005 11:43:35 PM |
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In article <1113344253.27b37d6316c22a5c34021fcdd4db7151@meganetnews2>,
seattledemocracy@hotmail.com says...
"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc654c28b332a0598c524@news.uni-berlin.de...
In article <1113336655.5661ac8aae4e553cf66098914aa5e778@meganetnews2>,
seattledemocracy@hotmail.com says...
How, then, do we deal with the occasional unwanted pregnancy that
results
from
contraceptive failure?
By as a society making sure that women have options - from adoption to
abortion - to deal with those unwanted pregnancies of course.
Adoption isn't an alternative to abortion or birth.
The statement was in relation to "the occasional unwanted pregnancy".
Adoption still isn't an alternative to either birth or abortion, whether
or not the pregnancy involved is occasional/unwanted.
Adopting a child out is an alternative to the parents raising a child
themselves. It is not an available option during a pregnancy.
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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13 Apr 2005 05:13:12 AM |
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"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc66d7f993cdf7198c527@news.uni-berlin.de...
Adoption still isn't an alternative to either birth or abortion, whether
or not the pregnancy involved is occasional/unwanted.
That's nice.
I was responding to the question "How, then, do we deal with the occasional
unwanted pregnancy that results from contraceptive failure?"
I mentioned adoption and abortion.
Why do you keep coming back with this obvious non-sequitur?
-Jeff
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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13 Apr 2005 08:21:54 PM |
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In article <1113368812.ab5acc4ef28dba00cf2d715975871863@meganetnews2>,
seattledemocracy@hotmail.com says...
"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc66d7f993cdf7198c527@news.uni-berlin.de...
Adoption still isn't an alternative to either birth or abortion, whether
or not the pregnancy involved is occasional/unwanted.
That's nice.
I was responding to the question "How, then, do we deal with the occasional
unwanted pregnancy that results from contraceptive failure?"
I mentioned adoption and abortion.
The point is that adoption does not an cannot deal with the pregnancy.
It can only deal with one possible situation after a pregnancy has
already ended.
Meanwhile abortion can deal with a pregnancy, but cannot deal with any
situation after the pregnancy has ended.
Adoption and abortion are not alternatives for each other.
Adoption is one way of dealing with a child.
Abortion is one way of dealing with a pregnancy.
As far as I'm aware a child is not a pregnancy.
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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13 Apr 2005 08:24:16 PM |
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"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc78fb83b90b7e898c528@news.uni-berlin.de...
I was responding to the question "How, then, do we deal with the
occasional
unwanted pregnancy that results from contraceptive failure?"
I mentioned adoption and abortion.
The point is that adoption does not an cannot deal with the pregnancy.
You are defining "deal with" as "eliminate". I am not working with such a
definition.
-Jeff
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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13 Apr 2005 10:22:45 PM |
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In article <1113423475.bbcb9ff8eb33c3db939c71cc848a6118@meganetnews2>,
seattledemocracy@hotmail.com says...
"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc78fb83b90b7e898c528@news.uni-berlin.de...
I was responding to the question "How, then, do we deal with the
occasional
unwanted pregnancy that results from contraceptive failure?"
I mentioned adoption and abortion.
The point is that adoption does not an cannot deal with the pregnancy.
You are defining "deal with" as "eliminate".
Certainly not.
Perhaps you are, but I'm not.
A pregnancy needs to be dealt with if the plan is to continue it for the
expected term, just as much as if the plan is to have it terminated
early. Either way it needs dealing with in various ways if the woman's
health is to be protected (and, if relevant, the future health of any
resulting child).
Why do you think pregnant woman need to watch what they eat and drink,
whether they smoke, whether they are on long or short term medication
and if so what, how they exercise, what sort of work (paid or unpaid)
they do, how they physically deal with existing children - particularly
active toddlers, how they travel etc?
Meanwhile, adoption is not a way of dealing with any aspect of being
pregnant. It may well be a way of dealing with the raising of a child
*after* a pregnancy, but not of not raising a child during a pregnancy.
Clearly you have never been pregnant if you think a continuing pregnancy
doesn't require the woman to deal with it, or that adoption can do
anything to help with those things that need to be dealt with during a
pregnancy! ;-))
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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13 Apr 2005 11:33:57 PM |
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"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc7ac12b25d81d198c52c@news.uni-berlin.de...
The point is that adoption does not an cannot deal with the pregnancy.
You are defining "deal with" as "eliminate".
Certainly not.
OK, I guess you're just goofy then.
EOT.
-Jeff
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| User: "Sgt." |
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12 Apr 2005 10:12:42 PM |
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Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <1113336655.5661ac8aae4e553cf66098914aa5e778@meganetnews2>,
seattledemocracy@hotmail.com says...
How, then, do we deal with the occasional unwanted pregnancy that results
from
contraceptive failure?
By as a society making sure that women have options - from adoption to
abortion - to deal with those unwanted pregnancies of course.
Adoption isn't an alternative to abortion or birth.
Clearly some women decide against abortion because they choose adoption,
liar.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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13 Apr 2005 05:04:40 AM |
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"Sgt." <123@123.123> wrote in message news:425C47DA.E0DEBF8D@123.123...
Pat Winstanley wrote:
Adoption isn't an alternative to abortion or birth.
Clearly some women decide against abortion because they choose adoption,
liar.
Pat's being semantical.
Adoption does not take away a pregnancy.
It places the unwanted child somewhere else.
Susan
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| User: "stoney" |
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15 Apr 2005 03:58:07 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:12:42 +1200, "Sgt." <123@123.123> wrote:
Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <1113336655.5661ac8aae4e553cf66098914aa5e778@meganetnews2>,
seattledemocracy@hotmail.com says...
How, then, do we deal with the occasional unwanted pregnancy that results
from
contraceptive failure?
By as a society making sure that women have options - from adoption to
abortion - to deal with those unwanted pregnancies of course.
Adoption isn't an alternative to abortion or birth.
Clearly some women decide against abortion because they choose adoption,
liar.
I see you're terminally uneducated. Let me clue you in. Once a woman
is pregnant there are only two options-to carry to term or not carry
to term. Before an adoption can take place the zygote/fetus must be
carried to term.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "stoney" |
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15 Apr 2005 03:55:28 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:17:13 -0700, "Jeff Welch"
<seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:4t9o51hfdrsr9psil694jj52929ehron7k@4ax.com...
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
Incorrect. The best alternative to aborting a pregnancy is preventing it
in
the first place.
That's hardly a viable option when a pregnancy already exists, Jeff
No *****, Sherlock.
How, then, do we deal with the occasional unwanted pregnancy that results
from
contraceptive failure?
By as a society making sure that women have options - from adoption to
abortion - to deal with those unwanted pregnancies of course.
Do we concede that only the woman involved has the
right to make that choice either way, or do we abuse the rule of law
to force a woman who doesn't want to bear a child to do so against her
will?
I can't see either extreme making a whole lot of sense.
<blink>
The woman involved making the determination is an extreme?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "John Baker" |
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15 Apr 2005 08:33:03 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:55:28 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:17:13 -0700, "Jeff Welch"
<seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:4t9o51hfdrsr9psil694jj52929ehron7k@4ax.com...
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
Incorrect. The best alternative to aborting a pregnancy is preventing it
in
the first place.
That's hardly a viable option when a pregnancy already exists, Jeff
No *****, Sherlock.
How, then, do we deal with the occasional unwanted pregnancy that results
from
contraceptive failure?
By as a society making sure that women have options - from adoption to
abortion - to deal with those unwanted pregnancies of course.
Do we concede that only the woman involved has the
right to make that choice either way, or do we abuse the rule of law
to force a woman who doesn't want to bear a child to do so against her
will?
I can't see either extreme making a whole lot of sense.
<blink>
The woman involved making the determination is an extreme?
I thought for quite some time about whether or not I even wanted to
reply to that one. I decided not to bother. Why waste energy and
bandwidth on the terminally stupid? <G>
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Advocating alternatives to abortion |
16 Apr 2005 12:12:46 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:33:03 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:55:28 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:17:13 -0700, "Jeff Welch"
<seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:4t9o51hfdrsr9psil694jj52929ehron7k@4ax.com...
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
Incorrect. The best alternative to aborting a pregnancy is preventing it
in
the first place.
That's hardly a viable option when a pregnancy already exists, Jeff
No *****, Sherlock.
How, then, do we deal with the occasional unwanted pregnancy that results
from
contraceptive failure?
By as a society making sure that women have options - from adoption to
abortion - to deal with those unwanted pregnancies of course.
Do we concede that only the woman involved has the
right to make that choice either way, or do we abuse the rule of law
to force a woman who doesn't want to bear a child to do so against her
will?
I can't see either extreme making a whole lot of sense.
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The woman involved making the determination is an extreme?
I thought for quite some time about whether or not I even wanted to
reply to that one. I decided not to bother. Why waste energy and
bandwidth on the terminally stupid? <G>
Sometimes pointing out terminal idiocy is its own reward.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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| Title: Re: Advocating alternatives to abortion |
12 Apr 2005 03:10:48 PM |
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Pat Winstanley wrote:
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
What about avoiding it?
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Advocating alternatives to abortion |
12 Apr 2005 03:30:17 PM |
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"Robert J. Kolker" wrote:
Pat Winstanley wrote:
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
What about avoiding it?
Which nutters like Mr. Young try so hard to not permit.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "Al Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Advocating alternatives to abortion |
12 Apr 2005 05:36:22 PM |
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Gregory Gadow wrote:
"Robert J. Kolker" wrote:
Pat Winstanley wrote:
There is only one possible alternative to aborting a pregnancy...
continuing it.
What about avoiding it?
Which nutters like Mr. Young try so hard to not permit.
I'd like to hear your understanding of how advocates of abstinence have
unwittingly caused more pregnancies even though abstinence is down and
use of other type of contraception is up (historically). Thanks.
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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| Title: Re: Advocating alternatives to abortion |
12 Apr 2005 06:22:33 PM |
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"Al Smith" <caddyshack_al@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1113327382.753814.184770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I'd like to hear your understanding of how advocates of abstinence have
unwittingly caused more pregnancies even though abstinence is down and
use of other type of contraception is up (historically). Thanks.
Because advocates of abstinence education don't merely advocate teaching
abstinence - they advocate teaching abstinence ONLY.
-Jeff
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