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"Lee me@localhost" |
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03 Apr 2007 05:52:02 AM |
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African priest 'holy' cure putting lives at risk. |
Ethiopian Aids victims are being convinced to drop drug treatment to control
the disease in favour of holy water cure, some 'patients' chained to stop
them running away.
People that are convinced that they are cured then go on to infect others.
Christian mythology killing yet again:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1258762,00.html
Lee
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: African priest 'holy' cure putting lives at risk. |
11 Apr 2007 06:45:15 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:12:59 -0400, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com>
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God is not a myth.
Then you should have no problem posting objective evidence that he
objectively exists.
God is the Truth. You always talk about the wrong
Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Let me rephrase. I don't have to
take myself seriously in order to engage in serious discussion
seriously. Is that better?
No, it's just avoiding the issue.
What about you? Do you take yourself very seriously when you talk to
people?
There's a difference between "taking yourself seriously" and being
serious.
Are you easily offended when people disagree with you?
I'm offended by willful stupidity. Some people call it religion.
The assertion I make is always simple logic and common sense.
Then you should have no problem backing your assertion up with actual
objective evidence.
It's self evident enough to people with basic spiritual training. There is
no need for me to worry about backing it up.
Then it's not logical. If what you say is logical you could back it
up, but all you can do is constantly contradict yourself.
If YOU make the assertion - about God or anything else - YOU have to
back you up. God didn't make the assertion, so it's not his
responsibility to back it up.
My spiritual understanding is all based on my real life experience.
I'm not talking about your understanding or your experience, I'm
talking about your assertions about objective reality - like the one
that your god actually exists. That's a claim about reality, not
about your understanding or experience.
There is no need to back anything up.
There's the need, on Usenet, to back up your assertions.
But you can't understand any of this - you can only think half
thoughts with your half brain.
With your whole thoughts and whole brain, why can't you understand my
simple spiritual understanding?
Because I can't understand nonsense, and that's all you post.
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: African priest 'holy' cure putting lives at risk. |
12 Apr 2007 01:00:16 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:45:15 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:12:59 -0400, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com>
wrote:
God is not a myth.
Then you should have no problem posting objective evidence that he
objectively exists.
I don't, but I won't.
God is the Truth. You always talk about the wrong
Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Let me rephrase. I don't have to
take myself seriously in order to engage in serious discussion
seriously. Is that better?
No, it's just avoiding the issue.
That's the issue I was talking about.
What about you? Do you take yourself very seriously when you talk to
people?
There's a difference between "taking yourself seriously" and being
serious.
Sure, and I was talking about the former.
Are you easily offended when people disagree with you?
I'm offended by willful stupidity. Some people call it religion.
Good, then we have found a common enemy as I'm no fan of religion
either.
The assertion I make is always simple logic and common sense.
Then you should have no problem backing your assertion up with actual
objective evidence.
Of course not, but I choose not to. Spiritual objective evidence is a
personal gift from God. It's private. It should not be put on public
display.
It's self evident enough to people with basic spiritual training. There is
no need for me to worry about backing it up.
Then it's not logical. If what you say is logical you could back it
up, but all you can do is constantly contradict yourself.
If you truly understand what I'm talking about regarding any spiritual
issue, you wouldn't ask for evidence. You would know whether I'm right
or wrong based on your own spiritual knowledge and training.
If YOU make the assertion - about God or anything else - YOU have to
back you up. God didn't make the assertion, so it's not his
responsibility to back it up.
My spiritual understanding is all based on my real life experience.
I'm not talking about your understanding or your experience, I'm
talking about your assertions about objective reality - like the one
that your god actually exists. That's a claim about reality, not
about your understanding or experience.
God's existence is not my assertion. God's existence is the reality
which all my assertions are based on. If you have doubt about that,
then you have to deal it with God, not me.
There is no need to back anything up.
There's the need, on Usenet, to back up your assertions.
They are, not by me, but by the reality of God.
But you can't understand any of this - you can only think half
thoughts with your half brain.
With your whole thoughts and whole brain, why can't you understand my
simple spiritual understanding?
Because I can't understand nonsense, and that's all you post.
Does that mean your brain has failed you?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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12 Apr 2007 07:16:24 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:00:16 -0400, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:45:15 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:12:59 -0400, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com>
wrote:
God is not a myth.
Then you should have no problem posting objective evidence that he
objectively exists.
I don't, but I won't.
Which makes you a troll.
God is the Truth. You always talk about the wrong
Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Let me rephrase. I don't have to
take myself seriously in order to engage in serious discussion
seriously. Is that better?
No, it's just avoiding the issue.
That's the issue I was talking about.
The issue is your being a troll, and you're trying to avoid it.
What about you? Do you take yourself very seriously when you talk to
people?
There's a difference between "taking yourself seriously" and being
serious.
Sure, and I was talking about the former.
Why? That has nothing to do with the discussion.
Are you easily offended when people disagree with you?
I'm offended by willful stupidity. Some people call it religion.
Good, then we have found a common enemy as I'm no fan of religion
either.
Then you're a liar. Believing in God is religion.
The assertion I make is always simple logic and common sense.
Then you should have no problem backing your assertion up with actual
objective evidence.
Of course not, but I choose not to.
Again - that's an admission that you're a troll.
Spiritual objective evidence
No such thing. That's like dry water.
personal gift from God. It's private. It should not be put on public
display.
Then you shouldn't make public assertions about it. YOU'RE the one
who started making the public display.
If you truly understand what I'm talking about regarding any spiritual
issue, you wouldn't ask for evidence.
YOU chose to make an assertion, so YOU have to back it up. What the
assertion is about doesn't make any difference.
You would know whether I'm right
or wrong based on your own spiritual knowledge and training.
It's not my responsibility to back up your assertions - it's yours.
I'm not talking about your understanding or your experience, I'm
talking about your assertions about objective reality - like the one
that your god actually exists. That's a claim about reality, not
about your understanding or experience.
God's existence is not my assertion.
YOU asserted that he exists, so it's YOUR assertion. No one else made
your post.
God's existence is the reality
which all my assertions are based on.
That's your assertion. Now provide objective evidence to back it up.
If you have doubt about that,
then you have to deal it with God, not me.
God didn't make the assertion, you did.
There is no need to back anything up.
There's the need, on Usenet, to back up your assertions.
They are, not by me, but by the reality of God.
God didn't make them, you did.
But you can't understand any of this - you can only think half
thoughts with your half brain.
With your whole thoughts and whole brain, why can't you understand my
simple spiritual understanding?
Because I can't understand nonsense, and that's all you post.
Does that mean your brain has failed you?
No, it means that my brain can only understand things that make sense,
like any normal brain, and you don't make any sense because you have
no sense.
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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13 Apr 2007 01:12:06 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:16:24 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
I'm offended by willful stupidity. Some people call it religion.
Good, then we have found a common enemy as I'm no fan of religion
either.
Then you're a liar. Believing in God is religion.
No. Believing in God is a personal faith. It's what's within us.
Religion as an organization has turned evil. All of them have forsaken
God.
The assertion I make is always simple logic and common sense.
Then you should have no problem backing your assertion up with actual
objective evidence.
Of course not, but I choose not to.
Again - that's an admission that you're a troll.
No, that's an admission that I don't have to eat your food for your
health. You have to chew it and swallow it in order to get the
benefit. I can not do that job for you.
Spiritual objective evidence
No such thing. That's like dry water.
I guess you have no idea what the spiritual truth is. It's spiritual
and it's objective. It must be your dry water, right?
personal gift from God. It's private. It should not be put on public
display.
Then you shouldn't make public assertions about it. YOU'RE the one
who started making the public display.
I'm only sharing my understanding. I'm not sharing my evidence. There
is a difference.
If you truly understand what I'm talking about regarding any spiritual
issue, you wouldn't ask for evidence.
YOU chose to make an assertion, so YOU have to back it up. What the
assertion is about doesn't make any difference.
My personal understanding is based on the truth. If you don't already
know the truth, I don't have to show it to you. Too bad.
You would know whether I'm right
or wrong based on your own spiritual knowledge and training.
It's not my responsibility to back up your assertions - it's yours.
It's your responsibility to find the truth in my
understanding(assertions) for your own sake.
I'm not talking about your understanding or your experience, I'm
talking about your assertions about objective reality - like the one
that your god actually exists. That's a claim about reality, not
about your understanding or experience.
God's existence is not my assertion.
YOU asserted that he exists, so it's YOUR assertion. No one else made
your post.
That is not an assertion. That is the truth. The fact you can not
recognize the truth shows your own problems.
God's existence is the reality
which all my assertions are based on.
That's your assertion. Now provide objective evidence to back it up.
God is the evidence. All you have to do is to find him.
If you have doubt about that,
then you have to deal it with God, not me.
God didn't make the assertion, you did.
Yes, and if you are interested, you can find God so that you can
understand my assertion.
There is no need to back anything up.
There's the need, on Usenet, to back up your assertions.
They are, not by me, but by the reality of God.
God didn't make them, you did.
Based on what I know about God, yes. If you know God, you would have
no problem to understand them.
But you can't understand any of this - you can only think half
thoughts with your half brain.
With your whole thoughts and whole brain, why can't you understand my
simple spiritual understanding?
Because I can't understand nonsense, and that's all you post.
Does that mean your brain has failed you?
No, it means that my brain can only understand things that make sense,
like any normal brain, and you don't make any sense because you have
no sense.
Too bad your brain can only understand the physical sense instead of
the spiritual truth.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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13 Apr 2007 04:41:55 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:12:06 -0400, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:16:24 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
I'm offended by willful stupidity. Some people call it religion.
Good, then we have found a common enemy as I'm no fan of religion
either.
Then you're a liar. Believing in God is religion.
No. Believing in God is a personal faith. It's what's within us.
Religion as an organization has turned evil. All of them have forsaken
God.
re·li·gion
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the
universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency
or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and
often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
That pretty much describes "believing in God".
The assertion I make is always simple logic and common sense.
Then you should have no problem backing your assertion up with actual
objective evidence.
Of course not, but I choose not to.
Again - that's an admission that you're a troll.
No
Yes - a troll is someone who makes assertions and refuses to back them
up - exactly what you're claiming you're doing.
Spiritual objective evidence
No such thing. That's like dry water.
I guess you have no idea what the spiritual truth is.
If it's spiritual it's subjective, not objective.
It's spiritual and it's objective.
You can't create something by defining it into existence.
personal gift from God. It's private. It should not be put on public
display.
Then you shouldn't make public assertions about it. YOU'RE the one
who started making the public display.
I'm only sharing my understanding.
You're making public assertions.
I'm not sharing my evidence.
You're making assertions (which requires that you provide evidence to
back them up) and claiming that you don't have to provide evidence.
Again - things don't exist simply because you say they do.
If you truly understand what I'm talking about regarding any spiritual
issue, you wouldn't ask for evidence.
YOU chose to make an assertion, so YOU have to back it up. What the
assertion is about doesn't make any difference.
My personal understanding is based on the truth.
Then you should have no trouble providing evidence to PROVE that your
assertions are true.
If you don't already
know the truth, I don't have to show it to you.
It doesn't start working that way just because you say it does. If
you post an assertion, which you did, and you're asked to back it up,
which you were, and you refuse to do so, which you did - you're a
troll or an idiot, your choice. Saying that it doesn't work that way
doesn't change anything - it still DOES work that way.
You would know whether I'm right
or wrong based on your own spiritual knowledge and training.
It's not my responsibility to back up your assertions - it's yours.
It's your responsibility to find the truth in my
understanding(assertions) for your own sake.
Wrong - you made them so it's your responsibility to back them up.
God's existence is not my assertion.
YOU asserted that he exists, so it's YOUR assertion. No one else made
your post.
That is not an assertion. That is the truth.
It's your assertion that it's the truth, so it's your responsibility
to prove that it's the truth. We've been through this before, Eric.
You don't avoid responsibility for proving your assertions by making
more assertions - that just piles on MORE things you become
responsible for proving.
God's existence is the reality
which all my assertions are based on.
That's your assertion. Now provide objective evidence to back it up.
God is the evidence.
No, God is your assertion.
All you have to do is to find him.
Not my responsibility - yours.
God didn't make the assertion, you did.
Yes
So proving it is your responsibility.
and if you are interested, you can find God
I didn't make the assertion, you did, so finding, and producing proof
of, God is your responsibility.
so that you can understand my assertion.
Not my burden to understand it - yours to provide evidence to back it
up. Evidence, not more assertions you'll just have to provide more
evidence for.
There is no need to back anything up.
There's the need, on Usenet, to back up your assertions.
They are, not by me, but by the reality of God.
God didn't make them, you did.
Based on what I know about God, yes.
So it's your responsibility to back them up.
If you know God, you would have no problem to understand them.
It's not a question of whether I understand anything, it's a question
of whether you're going to provide evidence to back up your
assertions.
Too bad your brain can only understand the physical sense
Too bad yours can't.
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| User: "john w" |
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04 Apr 2007 05:44:15 AM |
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 04:09:23 -0400, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com>
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© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 00:05:10 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 23:54:49 +0100, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
? 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:13:44 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:52:02 +0100, "Lee" <me@localhost> wrote:
? 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
People that are convinced that they are cured then go on to infect
others.
Like that other African "cure": sex with a virgin baby.
Christian mythology killing yet again:
Kindly don't call Roman Catholic dupes "Christians".
Its confusing are cristians not the ones that worship jesus, catholics
leaders just wear bigger hats, well exept for Amish but they have beards,
except the women..... mostly.
Catholics historically do not worship Jesus. They worship Mary, they
worship Peter, they worship a long list of "saints".
I have YET to hear a Roman Catholic admit to praying to God!
They pray to EVERYONE ELSE!
That is as anti-Christian as it gets!
If one prays with one's heart, it doesn't matter whom they talk to,
that is praying to Jesus Christ. Anyone who follows their true heart,
follows Jesus.
I follow the Bible! You may do as you please! And in the Bible, we
are given ONE formula for prayer. "Our FATHER..."
Nothing was ever said about, "And if my Father isn't available, ring
up Mary or Pete."
Lee
Last time I looked, Catholics were the only Christians for 1,200
years, until one of them decided that he wasn't getting a large enough
cut.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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04 Apr 2007 07:34:32 PM |
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:44:15 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
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I follow the Bible!
No you don't. You follow something that had whole books added to it
centuries after it was canonized.
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| User: "john w" |
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04 Apr 2007 09:11:02 PM |
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:34:32 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:44:15 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
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I follow the Bible!
No you don't. You follow something that had whole books added to it
centuries after it was canonized.
smirk.
You don't even know (you didn't even bother to ask) what Bible I use!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Apr 2007 07:52:16 PM |
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:11:02 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:34:32 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:44:15 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I follow the Bible!
No you don't. You follow something that had whole books added to it
centuries after it was canonized.
smirk.
You don't even know (you didn't even bother to ask) what Bible I use!
You talk against the one that was canonized in 325 AD, and the only
one that existed before that was the Tanach. So either you're Jewish
or you use Luther's addition to the canon.
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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04 Apr 2007 11:05:43 AM |
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:44:15 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
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Catholics historically do not worship Jesus. They worship Mary, they
worship Peter, they worship a long list of "saints".
I have YET to hear a Roman Catholic admit to praying to God!
They pray to EVERYONE ELSE!
That is as anti-Christian as it gets!
If one prays with one's heart, it doesn't matter whom they talk to,
that is praying to Jesus Christ. Anyone who follows their true heart,
follows Jesus.
I follow the Bible!
Bible is first to be learned and understood according to the truth of
Jesus Christ so that there can be more truth to be revealed. The Bible
is never meant to be a replacement of God. The believers of God are
followers of Jesus Christ. Following the Bible the wrong way may not
be good for a believer.
You may do as you please!
That is not whether or not I please. That is what I have found out
which is Jesus Christ lives in our heart. Anyone who claims to be a
follower of Jesus must follow the spirit in their heart, because that
is the spirit of Jesus Christ.
And in the Bible, we
are given ONE formula for prayer. "Our FATHER..."
Nothing was ever said about, "And if my Father isn't available, ring
up Mary or Pete."
I have no problem with the way you interpret the Bible about prayer. I
just hope you will not use your interpretation against others and you
know Christ lives in your heart always.
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| User: "john w" |
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04 Apr 2007 01:38:38 PM |
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:05:43 -0400, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:44:15 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Catholics historically do not worship Jesus. They worship Mary, they
worship Peter, they worship a long list of "saints".
I have YET to hear a Roman Catholic admit to praying to God!
They pray to EVERYONE ELSE!
That is as anti-Christian as it gets!
If one prays with one's heart, it doesn't matter whom they talk to,
that is praying to Jesus Christ. Anyone who follows their true heart,
follows Jesus.
I follow the Bible!
Bible is first to be learned and understood according to the truth of
Jesus Christ so that there can be more truth to be revealed. The Bible
is never meant to be a replacement of God. The believers of God are
followers of Jesus Christ. Following the Bible the wrong way may not
be good for a believer.
"The Spirit in your heart" must be TESTED (Gal 1) against scripture.
The "Spirit in your heart" that teaches you cannot teach you contrary
to what has already been revealed (the Bible) which is infallible.
What you are "preaching" is contrary to the text!
You may do as you please!
That is not whether or not I please. That is what I have found out
which is Jesus Christ lives in our heart. Anyone who claims to be a
follower of Jesus must follow the spirit in their heart, because that
is the spirit of Jesus Christ.
"The Spirit in your heart" must be TESTED (Gal 1) against scripture.
The "Spirit in your heart" that teaches you cannot teach you contrary
to what has already been revealed (the Bible) which is infallible.
What you are "preaching" is contrary to the text!
And in the Bible, we
are given ONE formula for prayer. "Our FATHER..."
Nothing was ever said about, "And if my Father isn't available, ring
up Mary or Pete."
I have no problem with the way you interpret the Bible about prayer. I
just hope you will not use your interpretation against others and you
know Christ lives in your heart always.
If you or anyone else prays to anyone OTHER than God, you are
following doctrine contrary to God's revealed Truth (the Bible).
"The Spirit in your heart" must be TESTED (Gal 1) against scripture.
The "Spirit in your heart" that teaches you cannot teach you contrary
to what has already been revealed (the Bible) which is infallible.
What you are "preaching" is contrary to the text!
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04 Apr 2007 02:12:16 PM |
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:38:38 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:05:43 -0400, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com>
wrote:
? 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:44:15 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Catholics historically do not worship Jesus. They worship Mary, they
worship Peter, they worship a long list of "saints".
I have YET to hear a Roman Catholic admit to praying to God!
They pray to EVERYONE ELSE!
That is as anti-Christian as it gets!
If one prays with one's heart, it doesn't matter whom they talk to,
that is praying to Jesus Christ. Anyone who follows their true heart,
follows Jesus.
I follow the Bible!
Bible is first to be learned and understood according to the truth of
Jesus Christ so that there can be more truth to be revealed. The Bible
is never meant to be a replacement of God. The believers of God are
followers of Jesus Christ. Following the Bible the wrong way may not
be good for a believer.
"The Spirit in your heart" must be TESTED (Gal 1) against scripture.
The "Spirit in your heart" that teaches you cannot teach you contrary
to what has already been revealed (the Bible) which is infallible.
What you are "preaching" is contrary to the text!
What I'm telling you is all about Christ himself. If you see contrary
between Christ and Bible, who do you think should change and submit?
You? or the Christ in your heart?
As for testing Christ who is the Spirit in your heart? I dare you to
do that!
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And in the Bible, we
are given ONE formula for prayer. "Our FATHER..."
Nothing was ever said about, "And if my Father isn't available, ring
up Mary or Pete."
I have no problem with the way you interpret the Bible about prayer. I
just hope you will not use your interpretation against others and you
know Christ lives in your heart always.
If you or anyone else prays to anyone OTHER than God, you are
following doctrine contrary to God's revealed Truth (the Bible).
I'm telling you the essentials about how to pray to Christ.
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:38:38 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:44:15 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Catholics historically do not worship Jesus. They worship Mary, they
worship Peter, they worship a long list of "saints".
I have YET to hear a Roman Catholic admit to praying to God!
They pray to EVERYONE ELSE!
That is as anti-Christian as it gets!
If one prays with one's heart, it doesn't matter whom they talk to,
that is praying to Jesus Christ. Anyone who follows their true heart,
follows Jesus.
I follow the Bible!
Bible is first to be learned and understood according to the truth of
Jesus Christ so that there can be more truth to be revealed. The Bible
is never meant to be a replacement of God. The believers of God are
followers of Jesus Christ. Following the Bible the wrong way may not
be good for a believer.
"The Spirit in your heart" must be TESTED (Gal 1) against scripture.
The "Spirit in your heart" that teaches you cannot teach you contrary
to what has already been revealed (the Bible) which is infallible.
What you are "preaching" is contrary to the text!
What I'm telling you is all about Christ himself.
I understand that that's what you believe.
If you see contrary
between Christ and Bible,
I don't, and kindly don't puts words in my mouth, or thoughts in my
head.
There can be no contrary between Christ and the Bible, since the
Spirit of Christ (the Holy Spirit) is who wrote the Bible!
AGAIN, you have received VERY bad-- contrary to scripture-- teaching.
But I am not going to get into an extended argument about it.
You either pray for the Holy Spirit to teach you, or a false spirit
will step into the void.
Bottom line, you have ACCUSED the Bible of being "contrary to Christ's
teachings", which is absurd, since Jesus was CONSTANTLY quoting the
Bible!
who do you think should change and submit?
You? or the Christ in your heart?
Your question makes no sense. You are now dabbling in demon teaching.
As for testing Christ who is the Spirit in your heart?
Your question AGAIN makes no sense.
There can be no contradiction between God (Christ) and what God (the
Holy Spirit) has written.
If you see conflict, it's because you are following false spirits
(demons)
"Let the Word of God be true, and every man a liar."
I dare you to
do that!
You "dare me" to do nothing!
I respond to the Holy Spirit, and EVERY man is a liar if he
contradicts scripture.
Making YOU and the "spirits" that guide you, liars and deceivers.
The message could not be more clear.
Gal 1
GAL 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one
who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different
gospel-- 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are
throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of
Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a
gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally
condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody
is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be
eternally condemned!
snip
And in the Bible, we
are given ONE formula for prayer. "Our FATHER..."
Nothing was ever said about, "And if my Father isn't available, ring
up Mary or Pete."
I have no problem with the way you interpret the Bible about prayer. I
just hope you will not use your interpretation against others and you
know Christ lives in your heart always.
If you or anyone else prays to anyone OTHER than God, you are
following doctrine contrary to God's revealed Truth (the Bible).
I'm telling you the essentials about how to pray to Christ.
You? You can't even resolve Christ and the Bible, and you are going
to tell ME how to pray?
LOL!
I rebuke you, Satan, in the name of Jesus the Christ!
Leave this poor soul!
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| User: "Jeckyl" |
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04 Apr 2007 09:16:18 PM |
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"john w @yahoo.com>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
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Bottom line, you have ACCUSED the Bible of being "contrary to Christ's
teachings", which is absurd, since Jesus was CONSTANTLY quoting the
Bible!
Rubbish .. there was no bible until well after Jesus death .. unless you are
referring to the old testament, that does have much in common with the older
Jewish bible.
There can be no contradiction between God (Christ) and what God (the
Holy Spirit) has written.
The holy spirit wrote nothing .. Jesus wrote nothing .. it was all written
by people.
If you see conflict, it's because you are following false spirits
(demons)
If you don't see the conflict, its because you are blind to the truth.
You "dare me" to do nothing!
I respond to the Holy Spirit, and EVERY man is a liar if he
contradicts scripture.
Scripture contradicts scripture. . therefore it lies and must be man made.
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| User: "john w" |
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05 Apr 2007 12:27:11 AM |
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:16:18 +1000, "Jeckyl" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
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"john w @yahoo.com>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
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Bottom line, you have ACCUSED the Bible of being "contrary to Christ's
teachings", which is absurd, since Jesus was CONSTANTLY quoting the
Bible!
Rubbish .. there was no bible until well after Jesus death ..
da dum
Christian scholars know exactly what I meant. The "Bible" of Jesus'
day was the Old Testament! Now tell me there was no Old Testament in
Jesus' day! IT wasn't in "one volume", for sure, but we certainly
know all about the Dead Sea Scrolls today. I just saw the Dead Sea
Scroll exhibit when it visited Seattle.
What are the Dead Sea Scroll fragments? They're what's left of 2nd
and 1st C BC and 1st C Hebrew scrolls. What the Jews of the time
called "the scriptures."
We call the 66-book version "The Bible." The common term today.
The Jews simply called the OT (the first portion), "The Holy
Scriptures."
unless you are
referring to the old testament, that does have much in common with the older
Jewish bible.
The Old Testament. Precisely
There can be no contradiction between God (Christ) and what God (the
Holy Spirit) has written.
The holy spirit wrote nothing ..
In your opinion, which MILLIONS do not share. Pardon me if I agree
with THEM instead of you.
The unity amongst the 66 books indicates a common mind behind them
all. The Holy Spirit.
They portray one theme. "Man's Salvation."
Jesus wrote nothing .. it was all written
by people.
People inspired by the Holy Spirit in such a way that the total
reflects God's infallible message to mankind.
If you want to know God's opinion on an infinite number of
topics/issues, you read the Bible. There is no conflict amongst the
common themes.
If you see conflict, it's because you are following false spirits
(demons)
If you don't see the conflict, its because you are blind to the truth.
Perhaps those who toss the Bible aside are the blind ones with the
conflicts.
I have been studying the Bible most of my almost 60 years. I have not
found any conflicts, and I'm in roughly my 5th reading. (I'm a slow
reader sometimes)
You "dare me" to do nothing!
I respond to the Holy Spirit, and EVERY man is a liar if he
contradicts scripture.
Scripture contradicts scripture. . therefore it lies and must be man made.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Ancient lies you speak! Satan!
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| User: "Jeckyl" |
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05 Apr 2007 12:36:47 AM |
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"john w @yahoo.com>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:16:18 +1000, "Jeckyl" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
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What a load of crap
There can be no contradiction between God (Christ) and what God (the
Holy Spirit) has written.
The holy spirit wrote nothing ..
In your opinion, which MILLIONS do not share. Pardon me if I agree
with THEM instead of you.
Millions more say otherwise.
The unity amongst the 66 books indicates a common mind behind them
all. The Holy Spirit.
There is much contradiction. What unity there is is not surprising when
many books had shared authored and newer books based on the older. That's
not holy spirit, that just common sense.
They portray one theme. "Man's Salvation."
Jesus wrote nothing .. it was all written
by people.
People inspired by the Holy Spirit in such a way that the total
reflects God's infallible message to mankind.
If you want to know God's opinion on an infinite number of
topics/issues, you read the Bible. There is no conflict amongst the
common themes.
There is a LOT of conflict .. there is very little that the bible agrees
with itself on
If you see conflict, it's because you are following false spirits
(demons)
If you don't see the conflict, its because you are blind to the truth.
Perhaps those who toss the Bible aside are the blind ones with the
conflicts.
They toss it aside because it is so self-contradictory
I have been studying the Bible most of my almost 60 years. I have not
found any conflicts,
Then you've done a pretty poor job of studying it
Scripture contradicts scripture. . therefore it lies and must be man made.
Ancient lies you speak! Satan!
Satan calling me Satan .. there's a laugh
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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05 Apr 2007 01:39:44 AM |
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:10:27 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:12:16 -0400, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com>
wrote:
? 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:38:38 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:05:43 -0400, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com>
wrote:
? 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:44:15 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Catholics historically do not worship Jesus. They worship Mary, they
worship Peter, they worship a long list of "saints".
I have YET to hear a Roman Catholic admit to praying to God!
They pray to EVERYONE ELSE!
That is as anti-Christian as it gets!
If one prays with one's heart, it doesn't matter whom they talk to,
that is praying to Jesus Christ. Anyone who follows their true heart,
follows Jesus.
I follow the Bible!
Bible is first to be learned and understood according to the truth of
Jesus Christ so that there can be more truth to be revealed. The Bible
is never meant to be a replacement of God. The believers of God are
followers of Jesus Christ. Following the Bible the wrong way may not
be good for a believer.
"The Spirit in your heart" must be TESTED (Gal 1) against scripture.
The "Spirit in your heart" that teaches you cannot teach you contrary
to what has already been revealed (the Bible) which is infallible.
What you are "preaching" is contrary to the text!
What I'm telling you is all about Christ himself.
I understand that that's what you believe.
Which has been proven true so many times in my actual life.
If you see contrary
between Christ and Bible,
I don't, and kindly don't puts words in my mouth, or thoughts in my
head.
There can be no contrary between Christ and the Bible, since the
Spirit of Christ (the Holy Spirit) is who wrote the Bible!
I was talking about the contradiction between Christ and your
understanding of the Bible. Notice below I suggested that you should
change and submit instead of the actual Bible. If you think your
understanding never contradicts with Christ, then you should be as
perfect as Christ himself already. I do not suggest that it is
impossible, but I think you still have things to overcome before that
can happen.
AGAIN, you have received VERY bad-- contrary to scripture-- teaching.
But I am not going to get into an extended argument about it.
You either pray for the Holy Spirit to teach you, or a false spirit
will step into the void.
Bottom line, you have ACCUSED the Bible of being "contrary to Christ's
teachings", which is absurd, since Jesus was CONSTANTLY quoting the
Bible!
You misunderstood me. The Bible is a book subjects to interpretation.
Everybody reads the Bible in their own way to reach their own
interpretation. The contradiction is between Christ's meaning and your
understanding only.
who do you think should change and submit?
You? or the Christ in your heart?
Your question makes no sense. You are now dabbling in demon teaching.
Why is that demon teaching? I was suggesting that you as a believer
should change your understanding of the Bible to submit to Christ who
is the Spirit living in your heart. Is this demon teaching to you?
As for testing Christ who is the Spirit in your heart?
Your question AGAIN makes no sense.
In other word, you don't know much about the Spirit living in your
heart, do you?
There can be no contradiction between God (Christ) and what God (the
Holy Spirit) has written.
But there can be a lot of contradictions between God(Christ) and
people's understanding of the Bible.
If you see conflict, it's because you are following false spirits
(demons)
If you can't see conflict, you are claiming having or possessing the
understanding of God. Again, I can't say that it is impossible, but I
don't think you are there yet.
"Let the Word of God be true, and every man a liar."
I dare you to
do that!
You "dare me" to do nothing!
I respond to the Holy Spirit, and EVERY man is a liar if he
contradicts scripture.
Making YOU and the "spirits" that guide you, liars and deceivers.
The contradiction is never between God and the Bible. The
contradiction is always between God and people's understanding of the
Bible. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit who guides me, and He is the
Christ living in my heart and in every believer's heart. You claim to
respond to the Holy Spirit, yet you don't even know where He lives.
The message could not be more clear.
Gal 1
GAL 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one
who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different
gospel-- 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are
throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of
Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a
gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally
condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody
is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be
eternally condemned!
snip
And in the Bible, we
are given ONE formula for prayer. "Our FATHER..."
Nothing was ever said about, "And if my Father isn't available, ring
up Mary or Pete."
I have no problem with the way you interpret the Bible about prayer. I
just hope you will not use your interpretation against others and you
know Christ lives in your heart always.
If you or anyone else prays to anyone OTHER than God, you are
following doctrine contrary to God's revealed Truth (the Bible).
I'm telling you the essentials about how to pray to Christ.
You? You can't even resolve Christ and the Bible, and you are going
to tell ME how to pray?
I see no issue between Christ and the Bible, but I see a lot of
problems between Christ and your understanding of the Bible. Do you
claim otherwise?
LOL!
I rebuke you, Satan, in the name of Jesus the Christ!
Leave this poor soul!
Just pray to your heart and you may see the light.
:-)
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04 Apr 2007 12:52:17 PM |
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john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
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And in the Bible, we
are given ONE formula for prayer. "Our FATHER..."
Nothing was ever said about, "And if my Father isn't available,
ring
up Mary or Pete."
I'm really surprised about doing this, but I'm actually nominating
john w for TQOTM! This quote is funny.
Seconds?
Lisbeth.
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*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
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04 Apr 2007 11:53:18 PM |
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"Lisbeth Andersson" <lisand@bredband.net> wrote in message
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john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:p907139hq6jacue2u16mvkrfm30p22ure5@4ax.com:
And in the Bible, we
are given ONE formula for prayer. "Our FATHER..."
Nothing was ever said about, "And if my Father isn't available,
ring
up Mary or Pete."
I'm really surprised about doing this, but I'm actually nominating
john w for TQOTM! This quote is funny.
Seconds?
I'll second that.
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In article <2h%Qh.9555$M.3067@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Sara Brum" <right@home.here> wrote:
"Lisbeth Andersson" <lisand@bredband.net> wrote in message
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john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:p907139hq6jacue2u16mvkrfm30p22ure5@4ax.com:
And in the Bible, we
are given ONE formula for prayer. "Our FATHER..."
Nothing was ever said about, "And if my Father isn't available,
ring
up Mary or Pete."
I'm really surprised about doing this, but I'm actually nominating
john w for TQOTM! This quote is funny.
Seconds?
I'll second that.
Recorded.
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Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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04 Apr 2007 09:45:54 AM |
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john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote:
If one prays with one's heart, it doesn't matter whom they talk to,
that is praying to Jesus Christ. Anyone who follows their true heart,
follows Jesus.
I follow the Bible! You may do as you please! And in the Bible, we
are given ONE formula for prayer. "Our FATHER..."
Do you follow all of Matthew 6, or just verses 9-16?
Nothing was ever said about, "And if my Father isn't available, ring
up Mary
Sometimes a mother will grant a wish more often than a father
would. How many times do children go to their mother first when
they want something? Quite a few, I think.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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04 Apr 2007 01:45:26 PM |
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:45:54 -0500, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote:
If one prays with one's heart, it doesn't matter whom they talk to,
that is praying to Jesus Christ. Anyone who follows their true heart,
follows Jesus.
I follow the Bible! You may do as you please! And in the Bible, we
are given ONE formula for prayer. "Our FATHER..."
Do you follow all of Matthew 6, or just verses 9-16?
I ENDEAVOR-- however feebly -- to follow all of the New Testament,
although it is my conviction that the laws Christ gave us are too
strict to follow perfectly, which is where His Grace comes in. It
"fills the gap" between our best efforts and God's expectations of
perfection.
Nothing was ever said about, "And if my Father isn't available, ring
up Mary
Sometimes a mother will grant a wish more often than a father
would.
Give me the scripture for that (the 66-book Bible), and I'll agree.
You are now giving me the teaching of FALLIBLE MEN.
I reject ALL the teachings of fallible men, unless they conform to my
understanding of scripture as given by the Holy Spirit.
And what you just said is,
"Sometimes a mother will grant a wish more often than a father
would. "
IOW, you are telling me that if GOD says "No!", then YOU do an END RUN
around Almighty God and you go to "His Mom", hoping she can "talk Him
into it."
That is a teaching straight from HELL.
How many times do children go to their mother first when
they want something? Quite a few, I think.
How does that apply to our petitions to God?
"Our FATHER (God) -- NOT "Mother of God..."
You are AGAIN giving me teaching that is UTTERLY CONTRARY to
scripture.
You are saying that the teachings of fallible MEN are SUPERIOR to what
God has already said!
Those are teachings straight out of the pit of HELL!
I am eager to see how you will answer God when He comes and asks you
why you didn't take "No!" for an answer when He said No. You felt the
need to talk to his mother instead, hoping she could change the WILL
of Almighty God.
You sound like a stubborn, strong-willed 10 year old!
"I don't care WHAT GOD said! I'm gonna hit up his MOM!"
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In article <n5s713ps5s8k7sv03ki2eu2v1fas3pobck@4ax.com>, john w
<johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
I ENDEAVOR-- however feebly -- to follow all of the New Testament,
although it is my conviction that the laws Christ gave us are too
strict to follow perfectly,
We sure as hell have noticed that in your case
Medication could help
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05 Apr 2007 06:54:26 AM |
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john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Wow, you copyright all of your usenet posts?
john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote:
If one prays with one's heart, it doesn't matter whom they talk to,
that is praying to Jesus Christ. Anyone who follows their true heart,
follows Jesus.
I follow the Bible! You may do as you please! And in the Bible, we
are given ONE formula for prayer. "Our FATHER..."
Do you follow all of Matthew 6, or just verses 9-16?
I ENDEAVOR-- however feebly -- to follow all of the New Testament,
although it is my conviction that the laws Christ gave us are too
strict to follow perfectly, which is where His Grace comes in. It
"fills the gap" between our best efforts and God's expectations of
perfection.
If you go to church and pray, or tell anyone about any good deeds
you've done, then you're not following what Jesus said to do, but
rather trying to look pious or like a do-gooder to impress other
people.
Nothing was ever said about, "And if my Father isn't available, ring
up Mary
Sometimes a mother will grant a wish more often than a father
would.
Give me the scripture for that (the 66-book Bible), and I'll agree.
You are now giving me the teaching of FALLIBLE MEN.
I'm was talking about living people, and how mothers can sometimes
be more giving than fathers.
I reject ALL the teachings of fallible men, unless they conform to my
understanding of scripture as given by the Holy Spirit.
Do you consult your god or the Bible when trying to decide which brand
of toilet paper to buy? What about all the things we have today that
didn't exist at the time of the Bible?
What about dietary rules? Do you eat pork or shellfish?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
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john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Wow, you copyright all of your usenet posts?
john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote:
If one prays with one's heart, it doesn't matter whom they talk to,
that is praying to Jesus Christ. Anyone who follows their true heart,
follows Jesus.
I follow the Bible! You may do as you please! And in the Bible, we
are given ONE formula for prayer. "Our FATHER..."
Do you follow all of Matthew 6, or just verses 9-16?
I ENDEAVOR-- however feebly -- to follow all of the New Testament,
although it is my conviction that the laws Christ gave us are too
strict to follow perfectly, which is where His Grace comes in. It
"fills the gap" between our best efforts and God's expectations of
perfection.
If you go to church and pray, or tell anyone about any good deeds
you've done, then you're not following what Jesus said to do, but
rather trying to look pious or like a do-gooder to impress other
people.
Nothing was ever said about, "And if my Father isn't available, ring
up Mary
Sometimes a mother will grant a wish more often than a father
would.
Give me the scripture for that (the 66-book Bible), and I'll agree.
You are now giving me the teaching of FALLIBLE MEN.
I'm was talking about living people, and how mothers can sometimes
be more giving than fathers.
I reject ALL the teachings of fallible men, unless they conform to my
understanding of scripture as given by the Holy Spirit.
Do you consult your god or the Bible when trying to decide which brand
of toilet paper to buy? What about all the things we have today that
didn't exist at the time of the Bible?
What about dietary rules? Do you eat pork or shellfish?
Careful - You might get a death threat ;)
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Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:54:26 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Wow, you copyright all of your usenet posts?
Not all. I would guesstimate that I copyright 99.9 % of them. Why do
you ask? Does it bother you?
I am a long-time professional writer, with MANY credits to my name.
Not only is a copyright notice advisable, it's a habit.
john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote:
If one prays with one's heart, it doesn't matter whom they talk to,
that is praying to Jesus Christ. Anyone who follows their true heart,
follows Jesus.
I follow the Bible! You may do as you please! And in the Bible, we
are given ONE formula for prayer. "Our FATHER..."
Do you follow all of Matthew 6, or just verses 9-16?
I ENDEAVOR-- however feebly -- to follow all of the New Testament,
although it is my conviction that the laws Christ gave us are too
strict to follow perfectly, which is where His Grace comes in. It
"fills the gap" between our best efforts and God's expectations of
perfection.
If you go to church and pray, or tell anyone about any good deeds
you've done, then you're not following what Jesus said to do, but
rather trying to look pious or like a do-gooder to impress other
people.
I take a different interpretation. (we Christians are allowed to do
that)
I believe that there are those key passages that we must all comply
with (You MUST be born again)
And then there are those that are more flexible, and more subject to
interpretation.
"If any man does not HATE his mother and father and brother, he is not
fit to follow me."
I don't believe Jesus was being LITERAL; I believe He was teaching a
lesson by comparison.
"If you choose to follow me, you must FIRST go and sell all that you
have, and then give it all away to the poor, and THEN you can follow
me!"
The apostles "listened and believed," but the epistles say that those
who knew Him best "continue to sell and disperse as any in the church
had need." That was being done 30 - 40 years AFTER Jesus spoke those
words. If the disciples had literally been REQUIRED to sell all that
they owned and take up a life of POVERTY and homelessness in order to
be Christians, how did they have property to continue to sell in 55
AD?
One must find ways to apply the lessons that make some SENSE.
Is a quadriplegic who is physically incapable of "traveling to the
remotest part of the globe to preach the gospel" not fit to be a
Christian and enter God's Kingdom?
No!
Each of us must take measure of where we are in this world, and then
we are to contribute
1 as we are able
2 as the Spirit leads
Nothing was ever said about, "And if my Father isn't available, ring
up Mary
Sometimes a mother will grant a wish more often than a father
would.
Give me the scripture for that (the 66-book Bible), and I'll agree.
You are now giving me the teaching of FALLIBLE MEN.
I'm was talking about living people, and how mothers can sometimes
be more giving than fathers.
I got the distinct impression you were using a human example to tell
me that we should approach "the mother of God" in the same manner, and
for the same reason.
If that wasn't your point, then you failed to make your point!
I reject ALL the teachings of fallible men, unless they conform to my
understanding of scripture as given by the Holy Spirit.
Do you consult your god or the Bible when trying to decide which brand
of toilet paper to buy?
Now that you have insulted me AND God by calling Him "my god", I leave
you. I will not discourse with someone who only wishes to mock and
poke fun.
HOWEVER, in the same way I don't believe God cares what brand of tooth
paste I use, so long as I use tooth paste, I don't think God cares
what brand of toilet paper I use. If you think otherwise, kindly
supply the scripture reference!
What about all the things we have today that
didn't exist at the time of the Bible?
What about dietary rules? Do you eat pork or shellfish?
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06 Apr 2007 09:34:30 AM |
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I am a long-time professional writer, with MANY credits to my name.
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anybody got another IRONY METER I Can borrow?
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06 Apr 2007 11:29:26 AM |
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john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am a long-time professional writer, with MANY credits to my name.
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anybody got another IRONY METER I Can borrow?
Has he actually been published somewhere besides his own web
pages?
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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06 Apr 2007 01:13:21 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:29:26 GMT, Elroy Willis
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NOspam@no.spam wrote in alt.atheism
john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am a long-time professional writer, with MANY credits to my name.
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anybody got another IRONY METER I Can borrow?
Has he actually been published somewhere besides his own web
pages?
He claims to have 'won a poetry contest' years ago - heaven only
knows-- he also posted some silly thing about a kid with a sled - bug
deal - and a 'talking Christmas tree'.......
As well, he admitted a couple of years back to changing the wording to
a document he found, thereby 'claiming it as his' ------ plagiarism
if ever I've seen it.
He wrote porn filth and tried to peddle it online, and even failed
miserably at that !!
He claims to have made hundreds of thousands for his so-called
'writing'........ but I don't believe a word out of him.
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06 Apr 2007 05:46:04 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:13:21 -0400, wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:29:26 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
wrote in alt.atheism
john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am a long-time professional writer, with MANY credits to my name.
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anybody got another IRONY METER I Can borrow?
Has he actually been published somewhere besides his own web
pages?
He claims to have 'won a poetry contest' years ago -
I've won several, actually.
heaven only
knows-- he also posted some silly thing about a kid with a sled - bug
deal -
It was a haiku, for you who don't know what a haiku is.
You think it was silly? No surprise there!
But we haven't seen an QUALITY writing from YOU!
Just criticism from others.
(that's called "envy")
And my haiku (which won an award for me in 10th grade)
Christmas:
The small boy takes
his new sled out
and waits for snow.
Just because you don't get it, Elaine (it was over your head)
doesn't make it any less art.
I've showed this haiku to MANY people who thought it was profound.
I posted this one as well:
Singing In The Shower
I sang off key
I was alone
It sounded beautiful to me!
I've been told more than once that this one was profound.
and a 'talking Christmas tree'.......
Liar!
It was not a "talking Christmas tree".
The story was about a Christmas play (many said I plagiarized, and I
asked them to kindly post the story I copied; no one -- including
YOU-- ever posted the story I "plagiarized".)
The story was called "The Living Christmas Tree SHOUT", but it was
not about the tree shouting.
And yuo READ the story, and now SADLY, you choose to LIE about the
story!
m m
As well, he admitted a couple of years back to changing the wording to
a document he found, thereby 'claiming it as his' ------ plagiarism
AGAIN, Elaine, you lie!
I put a number of stories and articles on the web page of a friend.
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