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"Carol Lee Smith" |
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17 Mar 2005 11:28:30 AM |
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Africans denied Visas to attend AAI convention |
Two members of the AAI board of directors who were planning to travel from
Cameroon to present at the Atheist Alliance Convention in Los Angeles and
later at the Appignani Bioethics Center, have been denied Visas, and they
apparently were not told why. It has yet to be determined if the denial
is legitimate or possibly due to the fact that they were to speak to
atheists group.
Information about the conference is here:
http://www.atheistalliance.org
Please call your senators and ask for an explanation: Why were Mbom,
Pierre Alex and Boum, Ndop Gustave denied visas to travel to the United
States and meet with atheist groups?
Please ask freethought groups of which you may be a member to do the same.
You can get contact information for your senators from
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Africans denied Visas to attend AAI convention |
17 Mar 2005 02:03:45 PM |
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"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1050317112203.7599A-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
Two members of the AAI board of directors who were planning to travel from
Cameroon to present at the Atheist Alliance Convention in Los Angeles and
later at the Appignani Bioethics Center, have been denied Visas, and they
apparently were not told why. It has yet to be determined if the denial
is legitimate or possibly due to the fact that they were to speak to
atheists group.
Oh, really?
What makes you think that this denial is, therefore, OBVIOUSLY the result of
their atheism ???
Paranoid, are we?
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| User: "" |
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17 Mar 2005 02:17:56 PM |
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"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1050317112203.7599A-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
Two members of the AAI board of directors who were planning to
travel from
Cameroon to present at the Atheist Alliance Convention in Los
Angeles and
later at the Appignani Bioethics Center, have been denied Visas,
and they
apparently were not told why. It has yet to be determined if the
denial
is legitimate or possibly due to the fact that they were to speak
to
atheists group.
DianaC wrote:
Oh, really?
What makes you think that this denial is, therefore, OBVIOUSLY the
result of
their atheism ???
Where in that message do you find "OBVIOUSLY"? It very clearly
states: "It has yet to be determined if the denial is legitimate or
possibly due to the fact that they were to speak to [an] atheists
group."
What is it about "possibly" you do not understand?
Paranoid, are we?
Reading-impaired, are we?
LR
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Africans denied Visas to attend AAI convention |
17 Mar 2005 03:07:47 PM |
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<lanruvi2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111090676.792668.88790@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1050317112203.7599A-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
Two members of the AAI board of directors who were planning to
travel from
Cameroon to present at the Atheist Alliance Convention in Los
Angeles and
later at the Appignani Bioethics Center, have been denied Visas,
and they
apparently were not told why. It has yet to be determined if the
denial
is legitimate or possibly due to the fact that they were to speak
to
atheists group.
DianaC wrote:
Oh, really?
What makes you think that this denial is, therefore, OBVIOUSLY the
result of
their atheism ???
Where in that message do you find "OBVIOUSLY"? It very clearly
states: "It has yet to be determined if the denial is legitimate or
possibly due to the fact that they were to speak to [an] atheists
group."
What is it about "possibly" you do not understand?
Paranoid, are we?
Reading-impaired, are we?
If there was no reason given, then your two options are silly. "Yet to be
determined if the denial is legitimate or possibly due to the fact that they
were to speak to [an]atheists group". This, in the face of the fact that NO
REASON WAS GIVEN AT ALL, (evidently) means that there is NO REASON to assume
that any particular reason, such as the intent to speak to a given group,
was part of it. None. I'm certain that these two men were going to do other
things while here. Why not speculate that the reason might have been their
intent to eat at Lucky Moe's Chinese and Pizza place after the meeting? Why
automatically jump to the idea that it was religious persecution?
Sheesh.
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| User: "" |
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17 Mar 2005 09:46:02 PM |
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No one, except possibly you, has jumped to any conclusions.
No one has expressed certainty except you.
Under the circumstances, asking for an official reason is
reasonable.
LR
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| User: "DianaC" |
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18 Mar 2005 03:03:08 AM |
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<lanruvi2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111117562.705209.213060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
No one, except possibly you, has jumped to any conclusions.
No one has expressed certainty except you.
Under the circumstances, asking for an official reason is
reasonable.
No? then why the question as to whether it was 'legitimate' or could it be
because they were coming to speak to an atheist group? The conclusion
jumping is implicit in the question.
I notice, for instance, that the question was not whether it was
'legitimate' or whether it could be because they were going to Hertz rent a
car for transportation, or were going to stay at the Holiday Inn, or were
going to shop while they were here, or whether they were going to vist a
certain university...All of which (well, perhaps not the brand names) they
were ALSO going to do while here. So...if there was no conclusion jumping in
the face of no evidence, why ask THAT particular question instead of any
other?
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: Africans denied Visas to attend AAI convention |
18 Mar 2005 09:45:53 AM |
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DianaC wrote:
<lanruvi2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111117562.705209.213060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
No one, except possibly you, has jumped to any conclusions.
No one has expressed certainty except you.
Under the circumstances, asking for an official reason is
reasonable.
No? then why the question as to whether it was 'legitimate' or could
it be
because they were coming to speak to an atheist group? The conclusion
jumping is implicit in the question.
No you dumb *****, it is because the government agency involved DID NOT
GIVE A REASON. Or do you just accept, without question, commandments
from on-high?
Idiot douche-bag jerk.
jwk
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| User: "DianaC" |
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18 Mar 2005 11:39:13 AM |
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"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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DianaC wrote:
<lanruvi2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111117562.705209.213060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
No one, except possibly you, has jumped to any conclusions.
No one has expressed certainty except you.
Under the circumstances, asking for an official reason is
reasonable.
No? then why the question as to whether it was 'legitimate' or could
it be
because they were coming to speak to an atheist group? The conclusion
jumping is implicit in the question.
No you dumb *****, it is because the government agency involved DID NOT
GIVE A REASON. Or do you just accept, without question, commandments
from on-high?
Idiot douche-bag jerk.
Ooooh, yet another one resorting to ad hominem because he can't actually
address the question. Oh, dear me, he cries, you mean lady, you CAUGHT me, I
can't answer you, but if I call you enough names and throw out enough
shocking and chauvinist language, perhaps everybody will forget that you
have a point and will think I'm brave or something.
You are quite right, the government DID NOT GIVE A REASON. Therefore the
assumption that it was either legitimate OR that it was because the two were
atheists speaking at an atheist meeting is raising a false dichotomy (you
know what that is, right?) .
Is the only possible ILLEGITIMATE reason to deny a visa the intention of
someone to speak at an atheist convention? They couldn't have been targeted
for any other reason? Yet, there was no hint that such might be possible;
only two options were given; either the denial was 'legitimate' or it was
illegitimate BECAUSE they were atheists about so speak at an atheist
convention.
If you can't get that one simple concept through your head, it's no wonder
that you can only resort to ad hominems. Actually thinking through a
position requires synapses that actually fire, and communicating that
position requires a willingness to access a slightly broader vocabulary.
B
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: Africans denied Visas to attend AAI convention |
19 Mar 2005 05:17:57 PM |
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DianaC wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111160753.938342.326340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
DianaC wrote:
<lanruvi2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111117562.705209.213060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
No one, except possibly you, has jumped to any conclusions.
No one has expressed certainty except you.
Under the circumstances, asking for an official reason is
reasonable.
No? then why the question as to whether it was 'legitimate' or
could
it be
because they were coming to speak to an atheist group? The
conclusion
jumping is implicit in the question.
No you dumb *****, it is because the government agency involved DID
NOT
GIVE A REASON. Or do you just accept, without question,
commandments
from on-high?
Idiot douche-bag jerk.
Ooooh, yet another one resorting to ad hominem because he can't
actually
address the question.
Actually I DID address your question. I just threw the ad hominem
attack in as a bonus.
jwk
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| User: "Nick J." |
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18 Mar 2005 12:02:05 PM |
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Why are you making a big deal of this, Diana? The original poster was
just asking a question about two people who were having trouble getting
to a convention. Said poster wasn't making wild accusations against
any government or agency, she was just concerned that it *might* be a
case of discrimination. Emphasis on might. Last I checked, we are
allowed to ask questions when we have concerns. Afterall, the answers
we recieve could very well alieviate our concerns, rather than make
them worse, now couldn't they? So please, be a dear, and try to chill
out a bit, Diana. There are many other posts that are much more worthy
of getting excited over, I am quite certain :)
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| User: "DianaC" |
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18 Mar 2005 03:30:14 PM |
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"Nick J." <NICK0094@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111168925.528576.256950@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Why are you making a big deal of this, Diana? The original poster was
just asking a question about two people who were having trouble getting
to a convention. Said poster wasn't making wild accusations against
any government or agency, she was just concerned that it *might* be a
case of discrimination. Emphasis on might. Last I checked, we are
allowed to ask questions when we have concerns. Afterall, the answers
we recieve could very well alieviate our concerns, rather than make
them worse, now couldn't they? So please, be a dear, and try to chill
out a bit, Diana. There are many other posts that are much more worthy
of getting excited over, I am quite certain :)
Actually, my first response to the first question wasn't me getting excited.
It was me asking a question in exactly the same frame of mind the first
poster had; a civil pointing out that her position had some logical flaws.
The 'excitement' came as result of the almost universal battering I have
been taking because I dared point something out; that if there was no reason
given, there is NO REASON to assume that the reason could possibly have been
their atheism or the event to which they were headed. None. (shrug)
Of course, being called the sort of names that jwk uses generally doesn't
make me feel reasonable, either.
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| User: "" |
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19 Mar 2005 01:08:19 AM |
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DianaC wrote:
"Nick J." <NICK0094@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111168925.528576.256950@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Why are you making a big deal of this, Diana? The original poster
was
just asking a question about two people who were having trouble
getting
to a convention. Said poster wasn't making wild accusations
against
any government or agency, she was just concerned that it *might* be
a
case of discrimination. Emphasis on might. Last I checked, we are
allowed to ask questions when we have concerns. Afterall, the
answers
we recieve could very well alieviate our concerns, rather than make
them worse, now couldn't they? So please, be a dear, and try to
chill
out a bit, Diana. There are many other posts that are much more
worthy
of getting excited over, I am quite certain :)
Actually, my first response to the first question wasn't me getting
excited.
It was me asking a question in exactly the same frame of mind the
first
poster had; a civil pointing out that her position had some logical
flaws.
You surely fooled me. This is your first post:
- - - - DianaC first said - - - -
"Oh, really?
What makes you think that this denial is, therefore, OBVIOUSLY the
result of
their atheism ???
Paranoid, are we?
- - - end - - - - -
I see an erroneous assumption in the "OBVIOUSLY," and sense
hostility in your tone.
The 'excitement' came as result of the almost universal battering I
have
been taking
Poor, poor dear.
because I dared point something out; that if there was no reason
given, there is NO REASON to assume that the reason could possibly
have been
their atheism or the event to which they were headed. None. (shrug)
Stating the reason is not known and that something was possible is
not an assumption of anything.
Of course, being called the sort of names that jwk uses generally
doesn't
make me feel reasonable, either.
Poor, poor dear.
LR
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| User: "Nick J." |
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19 Mar 2005 01:34:44 AM |
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DianaC wrote:
"Nick J." <NICK0094@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111168925.528576.256950@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Why are you making a big deal of this, Diana? The original poster
was
just asking a question about two people who were having trouble
getting
to a convention. Said poster wasn't making wild accusations
against
any government or agency, she was just concerned that it *might* be
a
case of discrimination. Emphasis on might. Last I checked, we are
allowed to ask questions when we have concerns. Afterall, the
answers
we recieve could very well alieviate our concerns, rather than make
them worse, now couldn't they? So please, be a dear, and try to
chill
out a bit, Diana. There are many other posts that are much more
worthy
of getting excited over, I am quite certain :)
Actually, my first response to the first question wasn't me getting
excited.
It was me asking a question in exactly the same frame of mind the
first
poster had; a civil pointing out that her position had some logical
flaws.
The 'excitement' came as result of the almost universal battering I
have
been taking because I dared point something out; that if there was no
reason
given, there is NO REASON to assume that the reason could possibly
have been
their atheism or the event to which they were headed. None. (shrug)
Of course, being called the sort of names that jwk uses generally
doesn't
make me feel reasonable, either.
DianaC also wrote:
'Oh, really?
What makes you think that this denial is, therefore, OBVIOUSLY the
result of
their atheism ???
Paranoid, are we?'
This was your very first reply on the thread, before anyone had even
said a word to you. So it seems, in retrospect, that you were the one
who began the tone of nastiness. If you had wanted jwk and the others
to treat you with respect, you could have found a more respectful way
of pointing something out. You get back what you give, afterall.
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| User: "Kate " |
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18 Mar 2005 02:17:10 PM |
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On 18 Mar 2005 10:02:05 -0800, "Nick J." <NICK0094@hotmail.com> wrote:
Why are you making a big deal of this, Diana? The original poster was
just asking a question about two people who were having trouble getting
to a convention. Said poster wasn't making wild accusations against
any government or agency, she was just concerned that it *might* be a
case of discrimination. Emphasis on might. Last I checked, we are
allowed to ask questions when we have concerns. Afterall, the answers
we recieve could very well alieviate our concerns, rather than make
them worse, now couldn't they? So please, be a dear, and try to chill
out a bit, Diana. There are many other posts that are much more worthy
of getting excited over, I am quite certain :)
Neo conservatives don't like questions. It pisses them off.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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18 Mar 2005 08:17:34 PM |
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"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111160753.938342.326340
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
Or do you just accept, without question, commandments
from on-high?
Isn't that a dumb question to ask a theist?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
-- Carl Sagan
Now playing: Israel Kamakawiwo'ole - Over the Rainbow
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| User: "jwk" |
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19 Mar 2005 05:20:06 PM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111160753.938342.326340
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
Or do you just accept, without question, commandments
from on-high?
Isn't that a dumb question to ask a theist?
Doh! Yes. You cut me to the quick.
jwk
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| User: "Secular Fundamentalist" |
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18 Mar 2005 05:51:09 AM |
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DianaC wrote:
<lanruvi2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111117562.705209.213060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
No one, except possibly you, has jumped to any conclusions.
No one has expressed certainty except you.
Under the circumstances, asking for an official reason is
reasonable.
No? then why the question as to whether it was 'legitimate' or could it be
because they were coming to speak to an atheist group? The conclusion
jumping is implicit in the question.
I notice, for instance, that the question was not whether it was
'legitimate' or whether it could be because they were going to Hertz rent a
car for transportation, or were going to stay at the Holiday Inn, or were
going to shop while they were here, or whether they were going to vist a
certain university...All of which (well, perhaps not the brand names) they
were ALSO going to do while here. So...if there was no conclusion jumping in
the face of no evidence, why ask THAT particular question instead of any
other?
Thus endeth the lecture in structured perversity. It's no wonder you
believe in the Schizophrenic Sky Fairy with vacuous logic like that.
--
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
What's Richard Reid's favourite song?
'Life is but a dream ...".
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| User: "DianaC" |
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18 Mar 2005 11:31:06 AM |
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"Secular Fundamentalist" <moc.turtle@eltrut.com> wrote in message
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DianaC wrote:
<lanruvi2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111117562.705209.213060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
No one, except possibly you, has jumped to any conclusions.
No one has expressed certainty except you.
Under the circumstances, asking for an official reason is
reasonable.
No? then why the question as to whether it was 'legitimate' or could it
be because they were coming to speak to an atheist group? The conclusion
jumping is implicit in the question.
I notice, for instance, that the question was not whether it was
'legitimate' or whether it could be because they were going to Hertz rent
a car for transportation, or were going to stay at the Holiday Inn, or
were going to shop while they were here, or whether they were going to
vist a certain university...All of which (well, perhaps not the brand
names) they were ALSO going to do while here. So...if there was no
conclusion jumping in the face of no evidence, why ask THAT particular
question instead of any other?
Thus endeth the lecture in structured perversity. It's no wonder you
believe in the Schizophrenic Sky Fairy with vacuous logic like that.
Wow, an immediate turn to ad hominem. THAT settles the debate, doesn't it?
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| User: "" |
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19 Mar 2005 01:16:46 AM |
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This is the only question in the original post: "Please call your
senators and ask for an explanation: Why were Mbom, Pierre Alex and
Boum, Ndop Gustave denied visas to travel to the United States and meet
with atheist groups? "
Why not ask it?
It appears you have jumped all over this like gangbusters on the basis
of what WAS NOT asked.
You said: "All of which (well, perhaps not the brand names) they
were ALSO going to do while here."
Please tell us how you know that.
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| User: "maff" |
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17 Mar 2005 03:07:29 PM |
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DianaC wrote:
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1050317112203.7599A-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
Two members of the AAI board of directors who were planning to
travel from
Cameroon to present at the Atheist Alliance Convention in Los
Angeles and
later at the Appignani Bioethics Center, have been denied Visas,
and they
apparently were not told why. It has yet to be determined if the
denial
is legitimate or possibly due to the fact that they were to speak
to
atheists group.
Oh, really?
What makes you think that this denial is, therefore, OBVIOUSLY the
result of
their atheism ???
Paranoid, are we?
Are you typing with your hood on?
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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17 Mar 2005 03:13:53 PM |
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In article <Bol_d.7288$mq2.4265@trnddc08> "DianaC" <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> writes:
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1050317112203.7599A-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
Two members of the AAI board of directors who were planning to travel from
Cameroon to present at the Atheist Alliance Convention in Los Angeles and
later at the Appignani Bioethics Center, have been denied Visas, and they
apparently were not told why. It has yet to be determined if the denial
is legitimate or possibly due to the fact that they were to speak to
atheists group.
Oh, really?
What makes you think that this denial is, therefore, OBVIOUSLY the result of
their atheism ???
Paranoid, are we?
Unfortunately, in this day and age the reasons might have been
that:
1) they come from a country which is 20% Muslim,and
2) they are slightly darker than Brittney Spears.
-- cary
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| User: "DianaC" |
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17 Mar 2005 06:42:23 PM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:d1cruh$ml$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <Bol_d.7288$mq2.4265@trnddc08> "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> writes:
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1050317112203.7599A-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
Two members of the AAI board of directors who were planning to travel
from
Cameroon to present at the Atheist Alliance Convention in Los Angeles
and
later at the Appignani Bioethics Center, have been denied Visas, and
they
apparently were not told why. It has yet to be determined if the
denial
is legitimate or possibly due to the fact that they were to speak to
atheists group.
Oh, really?
What makes you think that this denial is, therefore, OBVIOUSLY the result
of
their atheism ???
Paranoid, are we?
Unfortunately, in this day and age the reasons might have been
that:
1) they come from a country which is 20% Muslim,and
2) they are slightly darker than Brittney Spears.
Actually, turns out that the problem may be a simple one shared by just
about everybody who wants to come to the US since 9/11; in order to get a
visa, you must apply six to eight weeks before you need one. These two,
bless 'em, simply didn't leave enough time to process their visas.
Dang, the same thing happened to my daughter when she applied for a visa to
get into Brazil. Only they made her wait six months. Do you suppose it was
legitamate, or did it have something to do with the fact that she was a
Mormon?
paranoia reigns supreme....
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| User: "" |
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17 Mar 2005 09:39:35 PM |
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DianaC wrote:
Actually, turns out that the problem may be a simple one shared by
just
about everybody who wants to come to the US since 9/11; in order to
get a
visa, you must apply six to eight weeks before you need one. These
two,
bless 'em, simply didn't leave enough time to process their visas.
How do you know when they applied?
Dang, the same thing happened to my daughter when she applied for a
visa to
get into Brazil. Only they made her wait six months. Do you suppose
it was
legitamate, or did it have something to do with the fact that she was
a
Mormon?
I wouldn't claim to know.
paranoia reigns supreme....
Thank you for proving it.
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| Title: Re: Africans denied Visas to attend AAI convention |
17 Mar 2005 02:19:03 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:03:45 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote:
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1050317112203.7599A-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
Two members of the AAI board of directors who were planning to travel from
Cameroon to present at the Atheist Alliance Convention in Los Angeles and
later at the Appignani Bioethics Center, have been denied Visas, and they
apparently were not told why. It has yet to be determined if the denial
is legitimate or possibly due to the fact that they were to speak to
atheists group.
Oh, really?
What makes you think that this denial is, therefore, OBVIOUSLY the result of
their atheism ???
She didn't say that.
Paranoid, are we?
Apparently not as much as you are.
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