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03 May 2005 09:25:35 AM |
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"After seeing the data, I think I should go to church" |
May 3, 2005
Body and Spirit: Why Attending Religious Services May Benefit Health
By KEVIN HELLIKER
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
The number of Americans who attend religious services at least once a
week jumped nearly three points to 27.5% during the two years ended in
2004, according to statistics to be released this week by the
University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center.
This leap could be good news for the nation's health. A growing body of
scientific evidence shows that Americans who attend religious services
at least once a week enjoy better-than-average health and lower rates
of illness, including depression. Perhaps most important, the studies
show that weekly attendance confers a significant reduction in
mortality risk over a given period of time.
These studies have received almost no attention, in part because there
is skepticism among many medical scientists about the validity of these
studies, as Lynda Powell can attest. A professor of preventive medicine
at Chicago's Rush University Medical Center, Dr. Powell was a
nonchurch-goer who was very suspicious of such studies. Then in 2001,
the National Institutes of Health asked her to lead a three-scientist
panel that would review the mounting pile of medical literature
purporting to link religion to health.
The panel found scant evidence of the benefit of religion on illness,
and found that patients who used religion to cope fared slightly worse
than those who didn't. "Religious people who become upset by the belief
that God has abandoned them or who become dependent on their faith,
rather than their medical treatment, for recovery may inadvertently
subvert the success of their recovery," concluded the panel's report,
which was published in the January 2003 journal American Psychologist.
But the panel's examination of studies showing the effect of church
attendance on health reached an altogether different conclusion. As Dr.
Powell, who is continuing to research this issue, puts it: "After
seeing the data, I think I should go to church."
The panel reported that the studies showed a 25% lower mortality rate
for those who attend religious services at least weekly. Each study
covered a different period of time. But generally speaking, that means
that during any period in which there were 100 deaths among those who
don't attend weekly, only 75 weekly attendees would die, even though
both groups on paper seemed at equal risk for death, Dr. Powell says.
Religious services at churches, temples and mosques boast various
features that can be beneficial to health -- meditation, a social
network, a set of values that discourage smoking, infidelity and other
unhealthy behaviors. Many of the studies have found that the health
benefits of weekly attendance accrue more heavily to women than to men,
perhaps because women make greater use of religious social networks.
Of course, people who attend weekly religious services are by
definition well enough to get out of the house regularly, suggesting
that they may enjoy an inherent health advantage. Indeed, studies show
no health advantage for people who watch religious services on
television.
But it isn't simply that people showing up for church are healthier;
they also are more likely to improve their health habits. When compared
with nonweekly attendance, "weekly attendance was associated with a
statistically significant improvement in quitting smoking, becoming
often physically active, becoming not depressed, increasing the number
of individual personal relationships and getting married," said one of
the examined articles, which was published in the Annals of Behavioral
Medicine in 2001. That study gathered health and mortality data over a
period of 30 years on 2,676 Californians, 26% of whom attended
religious services weekly.
Not everyone is convinced that religious services account for the more
robust health and survival documented in these articles. The same
health benefits could be derived from belonging to a bingo club or
socializing at the local library, says Emilia Bagiella, a Columbia
University assistant professor of biostatistics. Also, she says, "it's
hard to correct for the fact that people who go to church may have a
better health status" before they arrive.
But the studies supporting a link between religious-service attendance
and health come from such secular institutions as the universities of
Texas, Michigan and California at San Francisco. And their authors
don't necessarily go to church or perceive the mortality benefits of
doing so as the handiwork of God. "Being religiously involved can
confer certain health benefits, and I don't think there's any divine
intervention involved," says Robert A. Hummer, a nonchurch-going
University of Texas sociology professor whose studies have shown a
health benefit for regular religious-service attendance.
Moreover, Dr. Powell says that she and her colleagues excluded from
their review any study that failed to control for the social benefits
of church attendance as well as the healthier habits of those who go
regularly. Even after excluding those factors, they found a significant
health and mortality benefit from regular attendance. "There's an
unknown mechanism" contributing to the benefit, she says, adding that
she doesn't believe that that mechanism is God.
Dr. Powell says that a continuing study of hers is suggesting that that
mechanism might be the practice, encouraged in nearly all religions, of
turning to prayer or meditation in moments of anger and distress,
thereby diminishing the harmful effects of negative emotion. She tells
of a Sikh cab driver who told her that any time another driver cuts him
off, he reaches for his prayer beads. In doing so, he told her, "I feel
closer to God."
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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03 May 2005 12:48:23 PM |
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On 3 May 2005 07:25:35 -0700, MrPepper11 wrote:
May 3, 2005
Body and Spirit: Why Attending Religious Services May Benefit Health
By KEVIN HELLIKER
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
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This leap could be good news for the nation's health. A growing body of
scientific evidence shows that Americans who attend religious services
at least once a week enjoy better-than-average health and lower rates
of illness, including depression. Perhaps most important, the studies
show that weekly attendance confers a significant reduction in
mortality risk over a given period of time.
It's been known for a long time that people who regularly socialize
with others are healthier, happier folks. A regular secular
get-together would be just as beneficial, but they have to put the
religious spin on it to make it look as though it's god, and not the
simple need for human contact, which makes the difference.
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L. Raymond
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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03 May 2005 01:09:30 PM |
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In article <1ia9k40dym7fs$.1xbtvw0dlkmwq.dlg@40tude.net> "L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> writes:
On 3 May 2005 07:25:35 -0700, MrPepper11 wrote:
May 3, 2005
Body and Spirit: Why Attending Religious Services May Benefit Health
By KEVIN HELLIKER
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
...
This leap could be good news for the nation's health. A growing body of
scientific evidence shows that Americans who attend religious services
at least once a week enjoy better-than-average health and lower rates
of illness, including depression. Perhaps most important, the studies
show that weekly attendance confers a significant reduction in
mortality risk over a given period of time.
It's been known for a long time that people who regularly socialize
with others are healthier, happier folks. A regular secular
get-together would be just as beneficial, but they have to put the
religious spin on it to make it look as though it's god, and not the
simple need for human contact, which makes the difference.
A number of studies have shown similar results for pet owners
as opposed to those without pets. Given the choice and speaking
just for myself, I find my cats much cuddlier and more photogenic
than God.
-- cary
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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03 May 2005 01:27:38 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
A number of studies have shown similar results for pet owners
as opposed to those without pets. Given the choice and speaking
just for myself, I find my cats much cuddlier and more photogenic
than God.
Me too. Does the fact that I have six cats make me six times
happier/more healthy? I know I get six times more exercise cleaning
the litter boxes. =-P
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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| User: "Wizardry-Of-Oz 100" |
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03 May 2005 08:23:34 PM |
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Re: "After seeing the data, I think I should go to church"
Cary Kittrell wrote:----
A number of studies have shown similar results
for pet owners as opposed to those without
pets. Given the choice and speaking just for
myself, I find my cats much cuddlier and more
photogenic than God.
Nelson:----
Me too. Does the fact that I have six cats make
me six times happier/more healthy? I know I get
six times more exercise cleaning the litter
boxes. =-P
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and
Cat-Herding
Oz:----
I bet your house smells a lot worse than any church with those cats of
yours. And has more fleas as well. But just think, you don't have to
feel guilty for being a cheap skate because you don't have a poor box in
your home just staring at you. That's one of the benefits of being an
atheist, beside being your own moral authority (how convenient), you get
to be a tightwad and think you're being so good because of it.
Oz
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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04 May 2005 09:32:38 AM |
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"Wizardry-Of-Oz 100" <WizardryOfOz100@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:26538-42782416-469@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net...
Re: "After seeing the data, I think I should go to church"
Cary Kittrell wrote:----
A number of studies have shown similar results
for pet owners as opposed to those without
pets. Given the choice and speaking just for
myself, I find my cats much cuddlier and more
photogenic than God.
Nelson:----
Me too. Does the fact that I have six cats make
me six times happier/more healthy? I know I get
six times more exercise cleaning the litter
boxes. =-P
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and
Cat-Herding
Oz:----
I bet your house smells a lot worse than any church with those cats of
yours. And has more fleas as well. But just think, you don't have to
feel guilty for being a cheap skate because you don't have a poor box in
your home just staring at you. That's one of the benefits of being an
atheist, beside being your own moral authority (how convenient), you get
to be a tightwad and think you're being so good because of it.
Yet another theist behaving like a total *****. What a non-shocker.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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03 May 2005 09:40:07 PM |
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In article <26538-42782416-469@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> (Wizardry-Of-Oz 100) writes:
Re: "After seeing the data, I think I should go to church"
Cary Kittrell wrote:----
A number of studies have shown similar results
for pet owners as opposed to those without
pets. Given the choice and speaking just for
myself, I find my cats much cuddlier and more
photogenic than God.
Nelson:----
Me too. Does the fact that I have six cats make
me six times happier/more healthy? I know I get
six times more exercise cleaning the litter
boxes. =-P
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and
Cat-Herding
Oz:----
I bet your house smells a lot worse than any church with those cats of
yours. And has more fleas as well. But just think, you don't have to
feel guilty for being a cheap skate because you don't have a poor box in
your home just staring at you. That's one of the benefits of being an
atheist, beside being your own moral authority (how convenient), you get
to be a tightwad and think you're being so good because of it.
Oz
On the other hand, she's got a far lower hypocrite count. Cats
make no pretenses.
As far as moral authority goes, Bast never rained (literally)
genocide upon the earth. Not even when She was feeling playful.
-- cary
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 May 2005 08:49:41 AM |
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In our last episode <26538-42782416-469@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>,
Wizardry-Of-Oz 100 pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare
proclaimed:
Re: "After seeing the data, I think I should go to church"
Cary Kittrell wrote:----
A number of studies have shown similar results for pet owners as
opposed to those without pets. Given the choice and speaking just for
myself, I find my cats much cuddlier and more photogenic than God.
Nelson:----
Me too. Does the fact that I have six cats make me six times
happier/more healthy? I know I get six times more exercise cleaning the
litter boxes. =-P
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
Oz:----
I bet your house smells a lot worse than any church with those cats of
yours. And has more fleas as well. But just think, you don't have to
feel guilty for being a cheap skate because you don't have a poor box in
your home just staring at you. That's one of the benefits of being an
atheist, beside being your own moral authority (how convenient), you get
to be a tightwad and think you're being so good because of it.
At least she isn't pretending that being a snot toward other people
because she has an imaginary friend makes her, somehow, a moral being...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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03 May 2005 09:24:45 PM |
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Wizardry-Of-Oz 100 wrote:
Oz:----
I bet your house smells a lot worse than any church with those cats
of yours. And has more fleas as well. But just think, you don't
have to feel guilty for being a cheap skate because you don't have a
poor box in your home just staring at you. That's one of the
benefits of being an atheist, beside being your own moral authority
(how convenient), you get to be a tightwad and think you're being so
good because of it.
How christian of you.
What have you done for anybody in the last day, week or month that was more
than just dropping coins?
Oh, I forgot, you're a christian. You have no responsibility for anyone.
Just be saved and you have no worries.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 May 2005 08:50:05 AM |
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In our last episode <NnWde.12426$J12.10659@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
Mike Painter pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Wizardry-Of-Oz 100 wrote:
Oz:----
I bet your house smells a lot worse than any church with those cats of
yours. And has more fleas as well. But just think, you don't have to
feel guilty for being a cheap skate because you don't have a poor box in
your home just staring at you. That's one of the benefits of being an
atheist, beside being your own moral authority (how convenient), you get
to be a tightwad and think you're being so good because of it.
How christian of you.
What have you done for anybody in the last day, week or month that was
more than just dropping coins?
Oh, I forgot, you're a christian. You have no responsibility for anyone.
Just be saved and you have no worries.
Being a fundie means never having to get off the couch...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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04 May 2005 12:47:27 PM |
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on 03 May 2005 in alt.atheism, Wizardry-Of-Oz 100 dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
Re: "After seeing the data, I think I should go to church"
Cary Kittrell wrote:----
A number of studies have shown similar results
for pet owners as opposed to those without
pets. Given the choice and speaking just for
myself, I find my cats much cuddlier and more
photogenic than God.
Nelson:----
Me too. Does the fact that I have six cats make
me six times happier/more healthy? I know I get
six times more exercise cleaning the litter
boxes. =-P
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and
Cat-Herding
Oz:----
I bet your house smells a lot worse than any church with those cats of
yours. And has more fleas as well. But just think, you don't have to
feel guilty for being a cheap skate because you don't have a poor box in
your home just staring at you. That's one of the benefits of being an
atheist, beside being your own moral authority (how convenient), you get
to be a tightwad and think you're being so good because of it.
Oz
IOW you don't condone people thinking for themselves. You think all people
should be just like you, so you don't have to be afraid of them. How
convenient... let us know when you wake up, so we can have a serious
discussion.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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03 May 2005 01:40:10 PM |
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In article <1115144858.250078.175840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> "skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
A number of studies have shown similar results for pet owners
as opposed to those without pets. Given the choice and speaking
just for myself, I find my cats much cuddlier and more photogenic
than God.
Me too. Does the fact that I have six cats make me six times
happier/more healthy?
No, it makes you the Crazy Cat Lady from "the Simpsons" -- keep
taking them M n M's.
-- cary, who was up to nine at one point
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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03 May 2005 02:00:57 PM |
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On 3 May 2005 11:27:38 -0700, "skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
A number of studies have shown similar results for pet owners
as opposed to those without pets. Given the choice and speaking
just for myself, I find my cats much cuddlier and more photogenic
than God.
Me too. Does the fact that I have six cats make me six times
happier/more healthy? I know I get six times more exercise cleaning
the litter boxes. =-P
That is a lot of cats!
Sometimes my two are two too many. I had one and that was great.She
was rescued, and she bonded. Iwas her human and it was her house. Then
there was another who would have been euthanised if they couldn't find
a home for her. So muggins stepped in at the very last moment. They
have lived together for two years and still don't get on. The original
one stakes out the new one's litter box, etc.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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03 May 2005 02:09:52 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:teif71pm6j6pueoncrnsi12ds8blin593o@4ax.com...
On 3 May 2005 11:27:38 -0700, "skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
A number of studies have shown similar results for pet owners
as opposed to those without pets. Given the choice and speaking
just for myself, I find my cats much cuddlier and more photogenic
than God.
Me too. Does the fact that I have six cats make me six times
happier/more healthy? I know I get six times more exercise cleaning
the litter boxes. =-P
That is a lot of cats!
Sometimes my two are two too many. I had one and that was great.She
was rescued, and she bonded. Iwas her human and it was her house. Then
there was another who would have been euthanised if they couldn't find
a home for her. So muggins stepped in at the very last moment. They
have lived together for two years and still don't get on. The original
one stakes out the new one's litter box, etc.
Oh dear :)
I also have two, one I've had for ten years and the other I've had for
almost two. They have a love-"get out of my face, you little *****!"
relationship ;)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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03 May 2005 03:17:28 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:teif71pm6j6pueoncrnsi12ds8blin593o@4ax.com:
On 3 May 2005 11:27:38 -0700, "skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
A number of studies have shown similar results for pet owners
as opposed to those without pets. Given the choice and speaking
just for myself, I find my cats much cuddlier and more photogenic
than God.
Me too. Does the fact that I have six cats make me six times
happier/more healthy? I know I get six times more exercise cleaning
the litter boxes. =-P
That is a lot of cats!
Sometimes my two are two too many. I had one and that was great.She
was rescued, and she bonded. Iwas her human and it was her house. Then
there was another who would have been euthanised if they couldn't find
a home for her. So muggins stepped in at the very last moment. They
have lived together for two years and still don't get on. The original
one stakes out the new one's litter box, etc.
They tend to do that. The first one had already "claimed" all the
territory and the newcomer is an "invader".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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03 May 2005 07:09:11 PM |
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skyeyes wrote:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
A number of studies have shown similar results for pet owners
as opposed to those without pets. Given the choice and speaking
just for myself, I find my cats much cuddlier and more photogenic
than God.
Me too. Does the fact that I have six cats make me six times
happier/more healthy? I know I get six times more exercise cleaning
the litter boxes. =-P
Only six?
I remember taking somebody home from the hospital years ago. There was a
door with lots of glass in it that led into a large room next to where we
put here.
A couple of lamps, several chest of drawers with the drawers open and a few
other odds and ends of furniture.
As I was helping her I kept catching motion out of the corner of my eye. I'd
glance into the room but didn't see anything.
When finished I stood up and watched the room as I talked. Pretty soon I saw
a cat jump out of a drawer to the floor, then a few seconds later there was
motion from another one, then another... There were *lots* of cats in that
room and I was always glad I didn't open the door.
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03 May 2005 02:40:01 PM |
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On Tue, 03 May 2005 18:09:30 +0000, Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1ia9k40dym7fs$.1xbtvw0dlkmwq.dlg@40tude.net> "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> writes:
On 3 May 2005 07:25:35 -0700, MrPepper11 wrote:
May 3, 2005
Body and Spirit: Why Attending Religious Services May Benefit Health
By KEVIN HELLIKER
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
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This leap could be good news for the nation's health. A growing body
of scientific evidence shows that Americans who attend religious
services at least once a week enjoy better-than-average health and
lower rates of illness, including depression. Perhaps most important,
the studies show that weekly attendance confers a significant
reduction in mortality risk over a given period of time.
It's been known for a long time that people who regularly socialize
with others are healthier, happier folks. A regular secular
get-together would be just as beneficial, but they have to put the
religious spin on it to make it look as though it's god, and not the
simple need for human contact, which makes the difference.
A number of studies have shown similar results for pet owners as opposed
to those without pets. Given the choice and speaking just for myself, I
find my cats much cuddlier and more photogenic than God.
-- cary
Yeah, but God doesn't sharpen his claws on your sofa.
HEY!! If you're gonna smite someone, do it outside!!! You're gonna get
brimstone stains on the carpet!!
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Radical aeasterbunnyist" |
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03 May 2005 11:44:45 AM |
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The gates of alt.atheism slowly swung open, and there stood
"MrPepper11" <MrPepper11@go.com>,who intoned thus:
May 3, 2005
Body and Spirit: Why Attending Religious Services May Benefit Health
By KEVIN HELLIKER
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
She tells
of a Sikh cab driver who told her that any time another driver cuts him
off, he reaches for his prayer beads. In doing so, he told her, "I feel
closer to God."
He would be - if there was one - having taken both hands off the wheel
of a moving vehicle.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208
Due to be prayed for by Gastrich 11.3.2011
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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03 May 2005 12:34:30 PM |
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On 03 May 2005, Radical aeasterbunnyist dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
The gates of alt.atheism slowly swung open, and there stood
"MrPepper11" <MrPepper11@go.com>,who intoned thus:
May 3, 2005
Body and Spirit: Why Attending Religious Services May Benefit Health
By KEVIN HELLIKER
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
She tells
of a Sikh cab driver who told her that any time another driver cuts him
off, he reaches for his prayer beads. In doing so, he told her, "I feel
closer to God."
He would be - if there was one - having taken both hands off the wheel
of a moving vehicle.
Well, it only takes one hand to reach for the beads, which would leave the
other hand free to... yeah, I get it.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: "After seeing the data, I think I should go to church" |
03 May 2005 12:46:13 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns964B6BCB47FB4vicman@216.196.97.136...
On 03 May 2005, Radical aeasterbunnyist dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then
shouted:
The gates of alt.atheism slowly swung open, and there stood
"MrPepper11" <MrPepper11@go.com>,who intoned thus:
May 3, 2005
Body and Spirit: Why Attending Religious Services May Benefit Health
By KEVIN HELLIKER
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
She tells
of a Sikh cab driver who told her that any time another driver cuts him
off, he reaches for his prayer beads. In doing so, he told her, "I feel
closer to God."
He would be - if there was one - having taken both hands off the wheel
of a moving vehicle.
Well, it only takes one hand to reach for the beads, which would leave the
other hand free to... yeah, I get it.
Wha? ;)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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