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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Elroy Willis"
Date:	03 Jan 2004 11:23:04 AM
Object:	Age of Aquarius

Note: This is crossposted to alt.astrology and alt.bible. I'm not
attempting to start a flame war, but rather to start up a rational
discussion on the "Age of Aquarius" and how it relates to the Bible
and astrology.
I just finished reading "The DaVinci Code" and am doing some research
on one of the ideas brought up in the book, namely that of some new
"Age of Aquarius," and what will mark its exact beginning.
Anyone who has done a fair amount of reading about Jesus will have
certainly run across claims that he was supposed to be some marker for
the beginning of the age of Pisces, what with the fish symbolisms and
all that were used by the first Christians and the Jesus fishes on
cars today.
So, I started web-surfing, reading different sites from modern
astrologers, trying to get an idea of what they think might mark some
actual "beginning" of the "Age of Aquarius," and the results were
interesting in many ways.
Much of it seems to include "end of the world" type ideas, with wars
and earthquakes and stuff that you read about in the Bible, from what
I've seen so far. Those are present in all times throughout history,
so seeing them around you is no indication of anything "new" at least
in my opinion. History repeats itself, so it's said...
From:
http://raphaelonline.com/Aquarius.htm
"In no way is this new age the end of the world or a final time of any
sort, except in regard to the end of this present day Earth
civilization."
I wonder what this guy means by "end of this present day Earth
civilization." Probably some WWIII, or armageddon or doomsday
situation?
Reading on...
"Much mischief and evil is connected with this change, especially in
respect to religions, and the use of new scientific discoveries and
advancements. These will increase and continue until the end of this
present day civilization, which will come by way of World War III."
Yep, WWIII. Another doomsayer. I wonder if doomsaying is parcel
and part of all astrologers beliefs? I don't know for sure...
From:
http://www.paranormality.com/age_of_aquarius.shtml
"Age of Aquarius : The Age of Aquarius can mean the end of an era,
(age of Pisces) and the beginning of another. Many feel the Age of
Aquarius heralds the coming of the "end of times" as written in the
Bible, others feel it is the dawning of the "new world order".
Whatever it means it is still mysterious, and opinions differ widely
in the Astrology community."
This is starting out a little better... It's recognized that opinions
differ widely among astrologers as to when some "exact beginning"
of the "Age of Aquarius" began, or will begin.
"Thus, the spring equinox has been occurring in Pisces for the past
several thousand years and will begin to occur in the constellation
Aquarius in the near future. This is the background for current
speculations about the so-called Age of Aquarius. The phenomenon of
the precession of equinoxes also means that the spring equinox
occurred in the sign Aries during the Hellenistic period (the period
of Ptolemy), in Taurus several thousand years prior to the Hellenistic
period, and so forth backward through the zodiac."
[...]
Although I don't personally believe in astrology, or at least the
astrological idea that the position of constellations or planets can
affect people's personalities and futures, I do accept the above as an
objective fact which can be proven true through research. The
"wobble" of the earth causes the constellation seen on the
spring equinox (or any other time actually) to slowly change over
time.
"Thus, attention is called to the negative Piscean tendency to adopt
an attitude of blind faith, and to the positive Aquarian tendency to
adopt a more empirical attitude."
I'm all for people giving up blind faith, and even astrology, and
moving on to some new age of reason where people think more
empirically and logically, tossing out superstition and those who sell
it along the way.
It wouldn't bother me a bit to see the RCC and other religious
organizations go down the tubes, as well as the astrologers who
make money off of other people by "selling" them some charts or
horoscopes. Same for the fake faith healers, and the phoney psychics
out there. Wouldn't bother me to see them all go away, just like Miss
Cleo seems to have gone away, at least around here.
On to another page...
From:
http://www.lightforthelastdays.co.uk/docs/cults_occult/aquarius.html
"The Daily Mail (29/12/97 - 2/1/98) featured a series of articles by
astrologer Jonathan Cainer, who claims that 'the Age of Aquarius is
truly dawning.' The articles paint a rosy view of the future in
contrast with 'gloomy visions' that the 20th century would end 'in
chaos and collapse'. Cainer believes the 20th Century has 'run out of
steam' and we are now about to create 'a world based on enlightenment,
prosperity, freedom and tolerance.'"
Kinda weird that "running out of steam" would lead to enlightenment,
but then I thought about getting old, and getting wiser in old age,
and moving slower...
"The "face of the man" is the ancient sign of Aquarius, the sign of
the man carrying the water-pot, to which Christ referred when He sent
His disciples into the city, saying: "Behold, when ye are entered into
the city, there shall a man meet you bearing a pitcher of water;
follow him into the house where he entereth in." (St. Luke, XXII, 10.)
This is the zodiacal sign into which we are entering."
I find a problem with this idea, since if Jesus was supposed to be
ushering in the age of Pisces, why would he speak of some water
pitcher and the age of Aquarius?
It then dawned on me that if Jesus was actually an astrologer, and
was trying to martyr himself as the marker for the new age of Pisces,
then he might likely speak in some code to his disciples about
"bearing the cross" or "bearing the crossing over" into some new
astrological age. The part about the water pitcher could have been
a message to any future Christian astrologers who wanted to martyr
themselves as part of some "new age" marker.
[...]
'If the Age of Aquarius is upon us, what have we been living through
until now? The answer is the Age of Pisces. For just as the turning of
the earth has its yearly seasons, it traces, as it travels through the
sky, a much broader cyclic pattern... The Egyptians knew all about
this. So did the Greeks. They called it a 'great year' and they
subdivided it into 12 'great months', each named after a different
Zodiac sign. Each 'great month' lasts roughly 2,160 years. The last,
Pisces, had just begun when Christ was born in Bethlehem. It's
interesting to speculate that it may be no coincidence that the early
Christians used a fish as a symbol of their faith.'"
What I'm interested in is what kind of symbol the people who believe
the "Age of Aquarius" is upon us will use, or are using right now.
Any examples that anyone wants to present?
For Pisces, it was a fish, and for Aquarius, it's supposed to be a
water pitcher or water bearer? Since fish live in water, is there a
connection there?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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User: "georgann"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	16 Feb 2004 07:59:04 AM

They had *centuries to work the things over...

"Elroy Willis" wrote:

I wonder which council of people georgann trusts to have made the
decisions about which books should be included? Surely she doesn't
trust some Catholic council, does she?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I trust the monks who got the Bible past near annihilation of its contents
by the marauding Huns.

"Elroy Willis" wrote:

Which monks are you talking about?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
""In the centuries following the fifth-century collapse of the Roman empire
in the West, chaos ruled Europe. Warring bands of illiterate Germanic tribes
opposed and deposed one another. Cities and cultural centers disappeared as
inhabitants were scattered across the land in crude huts and rough towns.
Literacy, law, and order-the pillars of civilization-crumbled, and the
aristocratic culture of the ancient Western world nearly disappeared. Early
medieval Europe seemed destined for complete barbarism.
One force prevented this: the church.
Instead of conforming to the barbarian culture, the medieval church modeled
a counter culture to a world engulfed by destruction and confusion. Hundreds
of monastic centers spread across Europe, characterized by discipline,
creativity, and a coherence and moral order lacking in the world around
them. Monks preserved not only the Scriptures but classical literature as
well. They were busy not only at their prayers but in clearing land,
building towns, and harvesting crops. When little else shone forth, these
religious provided attractive models of communities of caring and
character.""
http://www.christlife.org/faith/articles/C_barbarians.html
AND
http://www.usu.edu/anthro/origins_of_writing/european_script/

Why should I not trust the Catholic Church to get some things right
too?

"Elroy Willis" wrote:

Why not trust it completely, then? Is it the divorce issue?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No. Its their hierarchical system and general failure to be content with the
Cross of Christ as the absolute and center of their faith.
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User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	16 Feb 2004 09:09:05 AM

georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism

They had *centuries to work the things over...

"Elroy Willis" wrote:

I wonder which council of people georgann trusts to have made the
decisions about which books should be included? Surely she doesn't
trust some Catholic council, does she?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I trust the monks who got the Bible past near annihilation of its
contents by the marauding Huns.

"Elroy Willis" wrote:

Which monks are you talking about?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
""In the centuries following the fifth-century collapse of the Roman empire
in the West,"

However did the Roman empire fail with your Jesus Christ character
behind them? What went wrong?
You'd think that after a while, people would learn that there
are no invisible gods "behind" or "backing" any specific country,
except perhaps for those countries that have the biggest weapons
and stockpiles of money and gold and hive workers willing to build
bombs in bomb factories to protect the wealth or acquire new wealth,
just like some hive of ants out to take over the world.
I suppose you see the USA as some kind of "saviour" nation, don't
you? With Jesus and Christianity behind it?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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User: "georgann"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	16 Feb 2004 04:31:26 PM

Which monks are you talking about?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

""In the centuries following the fifth-century collapse of the Roman empire
in the West,"

"Elroy Willis" wrote:

However did the Roman empire fail with your Jesus Christ character behind
them? What went wrong?
You'd think that after a while, people would learn that there are no invisible
gods "behind" or "backing" any specific country, except perhaps for those
countries that have the biggest weapons and stockpiles of money and gold and
hive workers willing to build bombs in bomb factories to protect the wealth or
acquire new wealth, just like some hive of ants out to take over the world.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not about countries. Its about people.
"Elroy Willis" wrote:

I suppose you see the USA as some kind of "saviour" nation, don't you? With
Jesus and Christianity behind it?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Only as much as it keeps its nose clean. You remember what happened to the
illustrious Greeks and Romans when they became debauched, don't you?
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All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	17 Feb 2004 09:06:17 AM

georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism

"Elroy Willis" wrote:

However did the Roman empire fail with your Jesus Christ character
behind them? What went wrong?
You'd think that after a while, people would learn that there are no
invisible gods "behind" or "backing" any specific country, except perhaps
for those countries that have the biggest weapons and stockpiles of money
and gold and hive workers willing to build bombs in bomb factories to protect
the wealth or acquire new wealth, just like some hive of ants out to take over
the world.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its not about countries. Its about people.

Isn't that what Rome tried to do, in your opinion? Isn't that what
the USA is trying to do as well?

"Elroy Willis" wrote:

I suppose you see the USA as some kind of "saviour" nation, don't
you? With Jesus and Christianity behind it?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Only as much as it keeps its nose clean. You remember what happened
to the illustrious Greeks and Romans when they became debauched,
don't you?

Power hungry and debauched aren't the same thing, are they?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	14 Feb 2004 01:07:34 PM

And so upon Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:32:41 +0000 didst Elroy Willis speak
thusly:

Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism

didst Elroy Willis speak thusly:

georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Don't bother quoting the Apocrypha to me, bub.

"Jos Flachs" wrote:

Why not? That is not a part of your holy bible?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

Nope. To most Catholics, maybe. The distinction being that Protestants
don't accept the Apocrypha books as cannon because neither Jesus nor
the apostles ever quoted any or them.

Which books do you believe that were never tampered with by the
Catholic church?

They had *centuries to work the things over...

I wonder which council of people georgann trusts to have made
the decisions about which books should be included? Surely
she doesn't trust some Catholic council, does she?

Must be some magical holy spook thing. The catholics got it right until
they didn't...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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User: "Edmond Wollmann"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	12 Feb 2004 05:56:29 PM

georgann wrote:

No. But it takes a sin nature to be a sinner. The thoughts show the sin
nature.

"Edmond Wollmann" wrote:

I thought the Bible says we are all "born in sin"? If you are going to believe
in a negative dogma, at least try to follow it religiously.

Jesus said, "Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you
will be disclosed to you." The Gospel of Thomas.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

Don't bother quoting the Apocrypha to me, bub.

Translation: Don't confuse you with the facts.
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
� 2004 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Articles http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/info.htm
Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/TOC.htm
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User: "Dan Baldwin"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	13 Feb 2004 11:58:51 AM

Edmond Wollmann wrote:

georgann wrote:

No. But it takes a sin nature to be a sinner. The thoughts show the sin
nature.

"Edmond Wollmann" wrote:

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

Don't bother quoting the Apocrypha to me, bub.

Translation: Ed is still a fuckhead who should have been a blow-job.

Fix0red.
--
Dan Baldwin, unethical *by design*
"I have always thought that the reason Dinosaurs were so big is because
of the dramatic difference in gravitational strength between that time
period and now" -Edmo the paleontologist
"If the whole group must be ruined to prevent that, so be it. Few if
anyone comes to my defense, so why the hell should I care if they have a
good place to post ?" -Foamy Bartmo, Phyrric meteorologist
"Christ was just an enlightened person, not unlike me." -Edmo the humble
"I am an authority, and I do not force my views on others like you do."
-Edmo, enemy of Irony Meters all over Usenet
"It's not Latin, clueless wannabe tryhard." -Fucknozzle Junior
discussing the phrase 'Illegimati non carborundum'(sic)
Hail the un-alive
.

User: "Maryanne Kehoe"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	12 Feb 2004 06:30:14 PM

Edmond Wollmann wrote:

georgann wrote:

No. But it takes a sin nature to be a sinner. The thoughts show the sin
nature.

"Edmond Wollmann" wrote:

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

Don't bother quoting the Apocrypha to me, bub.

Translation: Don't confuse you with the facts.

You yourself said there was no ONE truth, fuckstick.
So now you can eat your heart out.
.

User: "Bob Officer"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	12 Feb 2004 10:05:55 PM

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:56:29 GMT, in alt.astrology, Edmond Wollmann
<arcturianone@earthlink.net> wrote:

georgann wrote:

No. But it takes a sin nature to be a sinner. The thoughts show the sin
nature.

"Edmond Wollmann" wrote:

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

Don't bother quoting the Apocrypha to me, bub.

Translation: Don't confuse you with the facts.

The Apocrypha is no more the *facts* than any other part of the bible.
--
Aktohdi
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User: ""
Title: Wollmannizer nocem 01423 @@NCM	12 Feb 2004 05:56:19 PM

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http://www.nocem.org/
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User: "Dan Baldwin"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	12 Feb 2004 12:10:01 PM

Edmond Wollmann wrote:

I thought

*****. Your posts prove otherwise.
Where's the list of accounts you claim I've lost, Delusion-boi?
--
Dan Baldwin, unethical *by design*
"I have always thought that the reason Dinosaurs were so big is because
of the dramatic difference in gravitational strength between that time
period and now" -Edmo the paleontologist
"If the whole group must be ruined to prevent that, so be it. Few if
anyone comes to my defense, so why the hell should I care if they have a
good place to post ?" -Foamy Bartmo, Phyrric meteorologist
"Christ was just an enlightened person, not unlike me." -Edmo the humble
"I am an authority, and I do not force my views on others like you do."
-Edmo, enemy of Irony Meters all over Usenet
"It's not Latin, clueless wannabe tryhard." -Fucknozzle Junior
discussing the phrase 'Illegimati non carborundum'(sic)
Hail the un-alive
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User: "Maryanne Kehoe"
Title: Re: Age of Wollkookious	12 Feb 2004 03:19:21 PM

Edmond Wollmann wrote:

georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BC50CF40.35364163%chenault@mindspring.com>...

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

Sin is not the same thing as breaking one of the Commandments.

"Elroy Willis" wrote:

Do you consider certain thoughts to be sins, even if you don't act
on those thoughts?

The thought that we are automatically negative

is correct, if "we" refers to Ed Wollmann and his many suckpoppets.
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User: "Robibnikoff"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	09 Feb 2004 12:00:20 PM

In article <31cf20p52s3hcg87hhsg4ct3nhl57ibj2o@4ax.com>, Elroy Willis says...

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis wrote:

Which sins did you commit yesterday? Be honest.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

Probably all of them. So did you. The mind tends to wander you
know.

All of them? Be specific.

I wonder how many people georgann murdered yesterday?

Hmmm, is she pre or post menopausal?

Do we have a closet serial killer on our hands here?

Hmm...

We need a mugshot of georgann, I think.

Use the voodoo doll pic I sent you ;)

Weird how she or nobody has ever produced a picture of her, don't
you think?

It could be a blessing - Don't push it ;D
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	09 Feb 2004 10:06:42 AM

georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis wrote:

Which sins did you commit yesterday? Be honest.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Probably all of them.

Murder, rape, theft, lying, blasphemy? You broke all of the supposed
Ten Commandments yesterday?

So did you.

No, not me. Boy oh boy, you really must have a weird view
of "sinning," if you ask me.

The mind tends to wander you know.

Did you masturbate yesterday, either physically or mentally?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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User: "Robibnikoff"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	09 Feb 2004 12:01:59 PM

In article <fkbf205s778q47tj7pom6tdv4ohibnle4t@4ax.com>, Elroy Willis says...

georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis wrote:

Which sins did you commit yesterday? Be honest.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

Probably all of them.

Murder, rape, theft, lying, blasphemy? You broke all of the supposed
Ten Commandments yesterday?

Wow! Sounds like someone's been a busy bee!

So did you.

No, not me. Boy oh boy, you really must have a weird view
of "sinning," if you ask me.

You ain't kidding.

The mind tends to wander you know.

Did you masturbate yesterday, either physically or mentally?

Elroy!!
I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked!
<snicker>
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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User: ""
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	09 Feb 2004 12:59:38 PM

In article <rWPVb.2426$_4.220@www.newsranger.com>,
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

Did you masturbate yesterday, either physically or mentally?

Elroy!!
I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked!

So that's a yes?
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User: "Robibnikoff"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	09 Feb 2004 02:51:50 PM

In article <1076353176.453385@localhost.localdomain>, says...

In article <rWPVb.2426$_4.220@www.newsranger.com>,
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

Did you masturbate yesterday, either physically or mentally?

Elroy!!
I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked!

So that's a yes?

Hey now! He asked georgann the question - not me ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	12 Feb 2004 05:14:21 AM

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis says...

georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis wrote:

Which sins did you commit yesterday? Be honest.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Probably all of them.

Murder, rape, theft, lying, blasphemy? You broke all of the supposed
Ten Commandments yesterday?

Wow! Sounds like someone's been a busy bee!

Has she answered yet? If so, I missed it.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	07 Feb 2004 12:29:42 PM

georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Satan cannot MAKE anyone do anything.

What's this, then?
Luke 22:1-4
"Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, called the Passover, was
approaching, and the chief priests and the teachers of the law were
looking for some way to get rid of Jesus, for they were afraid of the
people. Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve.
And Judas went to the chief priests and the officers of the temple
guard and discussed with them how he might betray Jesus."
Looks to me like it was Satan who caused Judas to betray Jesus,
and that Judas didn't really have a choice.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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User: "georgann"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	07 Feb 2004 06:19:20 PM

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Satan cannot MAKE anyone do anything.

"Elroy Willis" wrote:

What's this, then?

Luke 22:1-4 "Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, called the Passover, was
approaching, and the chief priests and the teachers of the law were looking
for some way to get rid of Jesus, for they were afraid of the people. Then
Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve. And Judas went to the
chief priests and the officers of the temple guard and discussed with them how
he might betray Jesus."

Looks to me like it was Satan who caused Judas to betray Jesus, and that Judas
didn't really have a choice.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
We always have a choice. Judas' choice was to use his mind and he "thought"
his way into deep trouble. He thought he could force the hand of God to do
what he thought was the right thing.
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User: "Elroy Willis"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	08 Feb 2004 08:45:41 AM

georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Satan cannot MAKE anyone do anything.

"Elroy Willis" wrote:

What's this, then?
Luke 22:1-4 "Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, called the Passover, was
approaching, and the chief priests and the teachers of the law were looking
for some way to get rid of Jesus, for they were afraid of the people. Then
Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve. And Judas went to the
chief priests and the officers of the temple guard and discussed with them how
he might betray Jesus."
Looks to me like it was Satan who caused Judas to betray Jesus, and that Judas
didn't really have a choice.

Looks like he was a patsy to me.
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User: "wbarwell"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	08 Feb 2004 10:56:59 AM

georgann wrote:

"Jim Phillips" wrote:

I'm just trying to understand why a benevolent deity would allow Satan
to harm others even though it's in god's power to prevent that harm. I
don't pretend to aspire to god's lofty level, but if I can come up with
a really simple solution why can't he?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

Satan doesn't directly harm. He seduces people into giving up their
authority over him and then to sin (i.e. go against God's will).

"Elroy Willis" wrote:

Is Satan even needed to explain sin? Can't people sin without you having
to blame it on the devil?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

All people sin - most without blaming it on Satan.

Sin is a theological concept that fails because there is no god, hence sin
is a nonexistant offense against a non-existant sky pixie.
As for Satan, if there is a Satan, he grabbed Paul long ago and created a
false religion, now known as Christianity, that has all but destroyed
real Christianity for 1900 years.
Then he invented Islam.

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User: "georgann"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	11 Feb 2004 06:02:41 AM

"wbarwell" wrote:

As for Satan, if there is a Satan, he grabbed Paul long ago and created a
false religion, now known as Christianity, that has all but destroyed
real Christianity for 1900 years.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
What is it you guys have against Paul? Is it because he was an astounding
intellect and highly educated? He shows your diatribes against Christianity
as anti-intellectual to be hollow, doesn't he?

Then he invented Islam.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
That's an idiotic idea.
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	11 Feb 2004 04:58:43 PM

And so upon Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:02:41 +0000 didst georgann speak thusly:

"wbarwell" wrote:

As for Satan, if there is a Satan, he grabbed Paul long ago and created a
false religion, now known as Christianity, that has all but destroyed
real Christianity for 1900 years.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:

What is it you guys have against Paul? Is it because he was an astounding
intellect and highly educated? He shows your diatribes against Christianity
as anti-intellectual to be hollow, doesn't he?

Paul an "astounding intellect?"
WAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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User: ""
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	11 Feb 2004 01:59:51 PM

In article <BC4F8410.35363C31%chenault@mindspring.com>,
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:

What is it you guys have against Paul?

Paul? Paul is quite well known to be a liar.
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User: "Jos Flachs"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	11 Feb 2004 11:14:00 PM

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:02:41 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:

What is it you guys have against Paul?

The same as we have against Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Reverend
Jones and other weirdo's creating a religion.

Is it because he was an astounding intellect and highly educated?

No. Any proof of that? He was the son of a tentmaker in the legions.
That [non-citizen] tentmaker got honored with the Roman citizenship. I
seriously doubt if he ranked above fourth class upon retirement. Maybe
third, but certainly not higher.
How could a Roman of the 4th/3rd class AFFORD a proper education?

He shows your diatribes against Christianity
as anti-intellectual to be hollow, doesn't he?

Not at all. We show him to be hollow. Just as we show you to be
hollow. Repented any sins, lately?
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User: "georgann"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	17 Feb 2004 08:52:05 AM

What is it you guys have against Paul?

"Jos Flachs" wrote:

The same as we have against Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Reverend
Jones and other weirdo's creating a religion.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Only you obviously don't know that Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and Rev. Jim
Jones were working on their own. They are precisely what Christ warned us
about - false prophets, false teachers.

Is it because he was an astounding intellect and highly educated?

"Jos Flachs" wrote:

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
What difference does his rank make to his actual education level? Are you
one of those people that thinks only the rich are to be well educated?
"Jos Flachs" wrote:

How could a Roman of the 4th/3rd class AFFORD a proper education?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You forget, education at that time was available to Jews not based on their
family's wealth.

He shows your diatribes against Christianity
as anti-intellectual to be hollow, doesn't he?

"Jos Flachs" wrote:

Not at all. We show him to be hollow. Just as we show you to be
hollow. Repented any sins, lately?

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Continuously. And you?
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User: "georgann"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	08 Feb 2004 05:20:06 AM

"wbarwell" wrote:

As for Satan, if there is a Satan, he grabbed Paul long ago and created a
false religion, now known as Christianity, that has all but destroyed real
Christianity for 1900 years.
Then he invented Islam.

georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Well at least you got the last part right. You're batting one hundred. Don't
feel bad, though. Most non-Christians posting here about Christianity never
get more than one in ten thoughts right.
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: Age of Aquarius	11 Feb 2004 04:59:13 PM

And so upon Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:20:06 +0000 didst georgann speak thusly:

"wbarwell" wrote:

As for Satan, if there is a Satan, he grabbed Paul long ago and created a
false religion, now known as Christianity, that has all but destroyed real
Christianity for 1900 years.

Then he invented Islam.

Said the lady who needs mental health care ASAP...
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EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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