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"Elroy Willis" |
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03 Jan 2004 11:23:04 AM |
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Age of Aquarius |
Note: This is crossposted to alt.astrology and alt.bible. I'm not
attempting to start a flame war, but rather to start up a rational
discussion on the "Age of Aquarius" and how it relates to the Bible
and astrology.
I just finished reading "The DaVinci Code" and am doing some research
on one of the ideas brought up in the book, namely that of some new
"Age of Aquarius," and what will mark its exact beginning.
Anyone who has done a fair amount of reading about Jesus will have
certainly run across claims that he was supposed to be some marker for
the beginning of the age of Pisces, what with the fish symbolisms and
all that were used by the first Christians and the Jesus fishes on
cars today.
So, I started web-surfing, reading different sites from modern
astrologers, trying to get an idea of what they think might mark some
actual "beginning" of the "Age of Aquarius," and the results were
interesting in many ways.
Much of it seems to include "end of the world" type ideas, with wars
and earthquakes and stuff that you read about in the Bible, from what
I've seen so far. Those are present in all times throughout history,
so seeing them around you is no indication of anything "new" at least
in my opinion. History repeats itself, so it's said...
From:
http://raphaelonline.com/Aquarius.htm
"In no way is this new age the end of the world or a final time of any
sort, except in regard to the end of this present day Earth
civilization."
I wonder what this guy means by "end of this present day Earth
civilization." Probably some WWIII, or armageddon or doomsday
situation?
Reading on...
"Much mischief and evil is connected with this change, especially in
respect to religions, and the use of new scientific discoveries and
advancements. These will increase and continue until the end of this
present day civilization, which will come by way of World War III."
Yep, WWIII. Another doomsayer. I wonder if doomsaying is parcel
and part of all astrologers beliefs? I don't know for sure...
From:
http://www.paranormality.com/age_of_aquarius.shtml
"Age of Aquarius : The Age of Aquarius can mean the end of an era,
(age of Pisces) and the beginning of another. Many feel the Age of
Aquarius heralds the coming of the "end of times" as written in the
Bible, others feel it is the dawning of the "new world order".
Whatever it means it is still mysterious, and opinions differ widely
in the Astrology community."
This is starting out a little better... It's recognized that opinions
differ widely among astrologers as to when some "exact beginning"
of the "Age of Aquarius" began, or will begin.
"Thus, the spring equinox has been occurring in Pisces for the past
several thousand years and will begin to occur in the constellation
Aquarius in the near future. This is the background for current
speculations about the so-called Age of Aquarius. The phenomenon of
the precession of equinoxes also means that the spring equinox
occurred in the sign Aries during the Hellenistic period (the period
of Ptolemy), in Taurus several thousand years prior to the Hellenistic
period, and so forth backward through the zodiac."
[...]
Although I don't personally believe in astrology, or at least the
astrological idea that the position of constellations or planets can
affect people's personalities and futures, I do accept the above as an
objective fact which can be proven true through research. The
"wobble" of the earth causes the constellation seen on the
spring equinox (or any other time actually) to slowly change over
time.
"Thus, attention is called to the negative Piscean tendency to adopt
an attitude of blind faith, and to the positive Aquarian tendency to
adopt a more empirical attitude."
I'm all for people giving up blind faith, and even astrology, and
moving on to some new age of reason where people think more
empirically and logically, tossing out superstition and those who sell
it along the way.
It wouldn't bother me a bit to see the RCC and other religious
organizations go down the tubes, as well as the astrologers who
make money off of other people by "selling" them some charts or
horoscopes. Same for the fake faith healers, and the phoney psychics
out there. Wouldn't bother me to see them all go away, just like Miss
Cleo seems to have gone away, at least around here.
On to another page...
From:
http://www.lightforthelastdays.co.uk/docs/cults_occult/aquarius.html
"The Daily Mail (29/12/97 - 2/1/98) featured a series of articles by
astrologer Jonathan Cainer, who claims that 'the Age of Aquarius is
truly dawning.' The articles paint a rosy view of the future in
contrast with 'gloomy visions' that the 20th century would end 'in
chaos and collapse'. Cainer believes the 20th Century has 'run out of
steam' and we are now about to create 'a world based on enlightenment,
prosperity, freedom and tolerance.'"
Kinda weird that "running out of steam" would lead to enlightenment,
but then I thought about getting old, and getting wiser in old age,
and moving slower...
"The "face of the man" is the ancient sign of Aquarius, the sign of
the man carrying the water-pot, to which Christ referred when He sent
His disciples into the city, saying: "Behold, when ye are entered into
the city, there shall a man meet you bearing a pitcher of water;
follow him into the house where he entereth in." (St. Luke, XXII, 10.)
This is the zodiacal sign into which we are entering."
I find a problem with this idea, since if Jesus was supposed to be
ushering in the age of Pisces, why would he speak of some water
pitcher and the age of Aquarius?
It then dawned on me that if Jesus was actually an astrologer, and
was trying to martyr himself as the marker for the new age of Pisces,
then he might likely speak in some code to his disciples about
"bearing the cross" or "bearing the crossing over" into some new
astrological age. The part about the water pitcher could have been
a message to any future Christian astrologers who wanted to martyr
themselves as part of some "new age" marker.
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'If the Age of Aquarius is upon us, what have we been living through
until now? The answer is the Age of Pisces. For just as the turning of
the earth has its yearly seasons, it traces, as it travels through the
sky, a much broader cyclic pattern... The Egyptians knew all about
this. So did the Greeks. They called it a 'great year' and they
subdivided it into 12 'great months', each named after a different
Zodiac sign. Each 'great month' lasts roughly 2,160 years. The last,
Pisces, had just begun when Christ was born in Bethlehem. It's
interesting to speculate that it may be no coincidence that the early
Christians used a fish as a symbol of their faith.'"
What I'm interested in is what kind of symbol the people who believe
the "Age of Aquarius" is upon us will use, or are using right now.
Any examples that anyone wants to present?
For Pisces, it was a fish, and for Aquarius, it's supposed to be a
water pitcher or water bearer? Since fish live in water, is there a
connection there?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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03 Jan 2004 05:35:54 PM |
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Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message news:<18pdvv4d8oc2ev0kv3fmjc3cqq5kemq9r1@4ax.com>...
Any examples that anyone wants to present?
For Pisces, it was a fish, and for Aquarius, it's supposed to be a
water pitcher or water bearer? Since fish live in water, is there a
connection there?
Picses is the sign of two fish swimming in opposite directions.
I explain the Age of Aquarius with Neptune now transiting Aquarius;
David Mayhead wrote:
The passage of Neptune into Aquarius on 28 January 1998 has attracted
much debate amongst astrologers including Jonathan Cainer a respected
professional writing for the Daily Mail a UK National newspaper. He
asserts that the "Age of Aquarius" is coming.
Neptune's transits and natal position reflect where we need to
dissolve the rigid and self centered focus from being oriented around
ego. Neptune in Capricorn dissolved many boundaries of status and
material gain etc. Our system has been forever changed by the
recognition that -for example the stock market is really maintained by
nothing more than belief-since a realistic appraisal would crash it
into oblivion based on "facts."
Neptune in Aquarius will dissolve the boundaries ego has constructed
relative to a recognition of our personal creative interaction with
one another and how we give love. This is being played out to some
degree here on the usenet groups. It has been said that certain
persons are kooks-one of the things that dissolves boundaries is
compassion and empathy. We see "kooks" everyday sitting or standing by
the stoplights (at least here in La Jolla) who for one reason or
another cannot believe in their own creative force to create the
reality they prefer-hence they beg for food or work etc. (some of
course are scammers)-but if these persons are "kooks" what would a
person be who torments them and taunts them?
Our compassion needs evolving along with reason-the age of Aquarius
will be the age when reason and intuition merge and blend into one
knowing consciousness.
To paraphrase his
interpretation of events in 1998 he forecasts crises in world
economics and weather but attaches the "innovation and inventiveness"
of Aquarius to a "happy ending".
Innovation" is simply the conscious minds waking up to the recognition
of the unlimited creative power of the whole self, and that we have a
choice in the creation of our reality.
The recent problems in the Japanese
and Korean economies, and extreme weather conditions in certain parts
of the world are, in his opinion, samples of what we can expect in
1998.
"Problems" are the effect of the belief in separation and the
resistance to growth in a direction DIFFERENT from expectations.
Aquarius has much to do with EXPECTATIONS and our "goals" or "hopes"
are often just unrealistic expectations.
Mr Cainer is a Sagittarian optimist and observes mankind
pulling itself up by its bootlaces and sounding the cavalry charge in
the nick of time.
There will always be those who welcome developmental tension and
change and grow and experience no "turmoil" (like myself") despite
what others "believe" they are experiencing-these will be the persons
who have allowed EXPECTATIONS to dissolve and allow whatever is there
to be there for a reason-KNOWING it is the product of their creative
force and therefore ALLOW it to be innovative- a new way to experience
an "old" idea.
What does the passage of Neptune into Aquarius mean and can it be
emphasized in the simplistic manner described by Mr Cainer or is this
yet another example of astrological marketing and hype?
Resistance to growth and judgments are what cause pain and
suffering-and as always, there will be some who grow and change and
some who stay "stuck" in the old paradigm. There is no "thats the way
it will be for everyone" because each and every individual LIVES ON A
DIFFERENT EARTH. The one we see is the one we believe is the "real"
one. Therefore as always it will be an outer marker so to speak
(Neptune's transit) of the changing consciousness toward creatorhood
interactions and appreciation of each others uniqueness-but each will
create their version of what it "is".
Mr Cainer
seems to imply that Neptune in Aquarius will somehow provide the
answers
Planets and things outside the self reflect our consciousness because
our consciousness is not IN our body-but our body is IN and moves
through our consciousness (the very reason that astrology "works" to
begin with). They do not "provide" anything but a reflection of what
we have en mass decided to collectively create as the "collective
consciousness" issue at this timing.
to a brighter tomorrow and yet all my knowledge of astrology
implies that Neptune is deep, hidden and illusionary.
Integration is the key to any "brighter tomorrow"-that is functioning
and ACTING like a INTEGRAL whole being knowing that we are as powerful
as we need to be to create whatever we desire to create in our
reality-Neptune's transit of Aquarius will allow us-or those inclined
and willing-to dissolve the judgments of "worth" and possessions as
being a determinant of "creative force or resourcefulness"-and that
love is truly recognizing the unlimited co-creative ability of beings
to create preference through this understanding.
Aquarius
involves collective global issues, and the combination, with Uranus
thrown in for good measure, seems to indicate that humanity is in
danger of being "found out" rather than finding expedient solutions to
its myriad problems.
SPIRIT needs incorporating into our "resource base".
In my opinion economic and climatic changes are
just symptoms of much more deep seated problems facing the human race
and the message of Neptune may expose more of the symptoms without
ever hinting at the causes.
Climactic changes like ALL external changes are the effect of the
change in consciousness of those who create it -US.
The Uranus influence indicates a
surprising or shocking outcome,
Surprising and shocking things are only that way to those who resist
waking up to the infinite power of their own creatorhood...
whilst Aquarius is about action for
its own sake rather than for the "good" of all. Our history of
understanding the worse excesses of human nature does not suggest any
interest in dealing with "real" problems, be it poverty, environment,
religion, culture, political or economic power. We must face up to the
simple fact that with "real" intent these problems would have been
eliminated long ago, and I would suggest that we are currently at a
spiritual low in the cycle rather than at the high the "New Age"
marketeers would have us believe.
Yes, by eliminating our "shells" of defense as seen here by these
so-called skeptics-removing ourselves from the true sources of issues
by labeling, and creating "images" of what we FEAR things are rather
than directly confronting and dealing with the ISSUES we have.
Neptune in Aquarius may challenge our trusts and beliefs, and Uranus
may see much innovation and tampering in the panic following each
crises faced but is the real problem our lack of spiritual depth
exposed when Neptune moves into Pisces and all our activity is seen to
add up to a deficit of the same problems we started with - poverty,
environment, culture, political and economic power? An analogy of
Neptune in Aquarius is discovering that the distance between the Sun
and Earth is 93 million miles, with Neptune in Pisces saying "Nice
assumption but it could just as easily be a distance of 1 widget!".
The intrinsic spiritual value of ancient stories of prophets is that
it is not important to be alive but it is important what you do whilst
you are alive. Time after time planets return to Pisces to drum home
this message, and time after time we miss the point. The true
challenge facing mankind now is the same as it was at the beginning of
this millennium - what are we really here for? It will take a gigantic
leap of spiritual faith to get off the bandwagon we are currently
driving hell for leather in the dark, stand still for a while,
discover exactly where we are and find out where we went wrong, and I
do not believe that time is yet here. The bandwagon is still gathering
speed, the darkness is still closing in, and Neptune in Aquarius may
just contain the gut rending crash we all fear most. Maybe we will
learn from the accident and work on increasing true spiritual values
and maybe we will not.
It is simply the time to wake up-and dream the dream you prefer to
dream.
The "New Age" syndrome seeks to convert laudable spiritual values into
methods for obtaining personal life style enhancement, be it
"success", "wealth", "better personal relationships" or whatever. To
be a "better person" first requires someone to outline what a "better
person" is, and that needs someone to define what we are really here
for.
Better is a subjective value judgment-but a more integral or acting
from KNOWINGNESS and empowerment will definitely be the
issue-especially in February and March of 98 when we start to real-ize
the vastness of our "world" by including space and beyond.
We need to be able to transform this "shell" defensive response to
issues and deal with the heart of our creatorhood.
The prophets of the past seem to have delivered at least part of
that definition and I do not recall "success, wealth or better
personal relationships" figuring anywhere. Is Neptune in Aquarius
about to hijack our "New Age" sophistication and expose it for what it
is? Global warming has received much focus but is countered by those
who suggest it is a cyclical change that has happened before. In
reality our fragile economic structure could not cope with the changes
we would have to make to eliminate harmful pollution anyway and we are
relying on Nature to help us out. Is Neptune in Aquarius about to
demonstrate that it is not only global warming that threatens our
economic "gods"? Is Neptune in Aquarius about to begin the
destruction of our twentieth century economic and political dynasties
returning the issue of survival of the species and our planet to the
top of our agenda?
It is the return of the grail-nature INTENDS the grail-that we and our
world are one-we must integrate the native American spiritual growth
and the European industrial intellectual growth into ONE COHERENT
KNOWING MENTALITY THAT ACTS FROM
CONVICTION-TRUST-UNDERSTANDING-TRUTH-INSPIRATION WITH FULL ACCEPTANCE
AND DISMISSAL OF EXPECTATIONS. That THE TRUTH is the composition of
ALL truths-this is the return of the Christ consciousness-that I and
the father are one in the same-INTEGRAL is the message from all time
and history.
We have seen stupendous scientific "advance" in the past few hundred
years with technology in transport, computers and genetics receiving
focus in the past few decades. Is Neptune in Aquarius about to
demonstrate our ignorance in tampering with the fundamentals of life -
communication, movement and reproduction? We all want a better life
but I do not believe we are in touch with "quality". Our focus seems
intent on speed and quantity, on marketing mediocrity as exceptional.
Is Neptune in Aquarius ready to slow us down, reduce our greed and
restore the gift of real talent?
PHYSICS WILL CONFIRM METAPHYSICS and a return to source for those who
can see.
The last time Neptune visited Aquarius Victorian Britain was in a
technological revolution but for most people that amounted to
exploitation and inadequate living conditions. The wealthy increased
their power over the poor and it was a long time before relief came.
Is Neptune in Aquarius this time about to swing the balance the other
way, or are we in for another repetition of the dismissive attitude of
the wealthy for the poor? Is it time for the poor to stop chasing the
"rainbow" and redefine their quality of life? Is that the real meaning
of the Age of Aquarius?
The EQUALITY AND VALIDITY OF ALL BEINGS WITHIN THE "ALL THAT IS"
CO-CREATING AND LIVING AS ONE.
Tis up to each and every one in this the transformational age-but
transformation is NOT the product of mediocrity-as always it will
require boldness, strength and conviction acting from trust. Before
kingdoms can change-MEN must change.
Andrew David
"To be with someone is not important but to be with someone important
is."
We deserve happiness, abundance and ecstasy JUST BECAUSE WE EXIST.
We don't need any other reasons. Here lies your truth.
"Sail away, sail away, sail away, Carry me on the waves to the lands
I've never seen, carry me on the waves to the lands I've never been-we
can sigh and say goodbye (sail away, sail away, sail away) we can see
it, we can see it." Enya "Orinoco Flow (Sail Away)"
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2004 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Articles http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/info.htm
Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/TOC.htm
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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03 Jan 2004 06:07:49 PM |
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Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message news:<18pdvv4d8oc2ev0kv3fmjc3cqq5kemq9r1@4ax.com>...
I just finished reading "The DaVinci Code" and am doing some research
on one of the ideas brought up in the book, namely that of some new
"Age of Aquarius," and what will mark its exact beginning.
Anyone who has done a fair amount of reading about Jesus will have
certainly run across claims that he was supposed to be some marker for
the beginning of the age of Pisces, what with the fish symbolisms and
all that were used by the first Christians and the Jesus fishes on
cars today.
When the moon is in the Seventh House
and Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars
This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
I have no idea, but I would be curious about anything the astrology
kooks have to say about it. I'll probably be disappointed, though. In
my experience, most "secret" knowledge has not been worth having.
Physics was a lot more satisfying.
-Hypatia Kosh
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"Hail Hypatia, Queen of Supercilliousness!"
-- Sisko2374, 7/25/2002
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05 Jan 2004 08:13:37 AM |
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(Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message
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This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
I was in high school (in Australia) when Hair originally came out. Our
version of it went "this is the dawning of the Age Of A Hairy Arse..."
--
John Iser a.a #379
"Man running thru the grass outside, says he wants to take up serpents
Says he will drink the deadly thing, and it will not hurt him"
- Lucinda Williams, 2 Kool 2 Be 4-gotten (Mark 16:18)
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| User: "digger" |
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03 Jan 2004 11:55:17 PM |
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Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote:
I just finished reading "The DaVinci Code" and am doing some research
on one of the ideas brought up in the book, namely that of some new
"Age of Aquarius," and what will mark its exact beginning.
The age of Aquarius will start when the sun is in Aquarius when
spring equinox happens. Right now the sun is in Pisces at
equinox. It will cross into Aquarius in around 300 years from
now.
It will not affect astrology, because astrologers still think this
is the Age of Aries. Besides, in 2300, nobody will believe in
silly superstitions like astrology anyhow.
The Bible has a lot of silliness too. But one sensible thing it
does say is to avoid astro-scammers.
There was no name-calling or mud-slinging involved in the creation
of this poast, even though the situation involves a lot of idiots
and charlatans. Hope you're happy!
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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04 Jan 2004 08:15:16 AM |
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digger <bad@example.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote:
I just finished reading "The DaVinci Code" and am doing some research
on one of the ideas brought up in the book, namely that of some new
"Age of Aquarius," and what will mark its exact beginning.
The age of Aquarius will start when the sun is in Aquarius when
spring equinox happens. Right now the sun is in Pisces at
equinox. It will cross into Aquarius in around 300 years from
now.
It's the "dawning of the age" that seems to create so much
disagreement among astrologers, from what I can tell.
It will not affect astrology, because astrologers still think this
is the Age of Aries.
I noticed some of 'em add in the newly discovered planets in
their charts. Seems that would've rendered all those ancient
horoscopes wrong to me.
Besides, in 2300, nobody will believe in silly superstitions like astrology
anyhow.
Wanna bet? It's survived for ~5000 years, so another 300 probably
won't make any difference, imo. Of course, if some of the astrologers
predictions are correct, then the Age of Aquarius will render
astrology meaningless, given they claim it will be an age where
superstition is cast aside in favor of more scientific beliefs.
The Bible has a lot of silliness too. But one sensible thing it
does say is to avoid astro-scammers.
Actually there are several verses which support astrology. The
Essenes were into astrology, iirc, and several reputable historians
believe Jesus was an Essene, if he really existed at all.
There was no name-calling or mud-slinging involved in the creation
of this poast, even though the situation involves a lot of idiots
and charlatans. Hope you're happy!
Thank you.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Keera Ann Fox" |
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04 Jan 2004 04:01:45 AM |
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digger <bad@example.com> wrote:
The Bible has a lot of silliness too. But one sensible thing it
does say is to avoid astro-scammers.
Could you please tell me where the bible says to avoid astrologers? I
can only find where it says to avoid the advice of people who consult
the dead.
--
******* Keera in Norway ********
** Think big. Shrink to fit. ***
* http://home.online.no/~kafox *
thinkbig_shrinktofit @ yahoo.com
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| User: "Edmond Wollmann" |
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04 Jan 2004 07:57:43 PM |
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see_sig_@yahoo.com.invalid (Keera Ann Fox) wrote in message news:<1g719oz.1cs8qpj1bleu9aN%see_sig_@yahoo.com.invalid>...
digger <bad@example.com> wrote:
The Bible has a lot of silliness too. But one sensible thing it
does say is to avoid astro-scammers.
Could you please tell me where the bible says to avoid astrologers? I
can only find where it says to avoid the advice of people who consult
the dead.
It doesn't, as a matter of fact, astrologers, astrology, and Zodiacs
are all over the bible and religion. Remember, the powers of the times
were in Babylon, Rome, and Greece--all heavily dedicated to astrology.
Astrology in those days was a GIVEN, not a "scam."
"And God said, "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate
the day from the night; and let them be for _SIGNS_ and for seasons
and for days and for years, and let them be lights in the dome of the
sky to give light upon the Earth.....God made two great lights, the
greater light to rule the day (the sun), and the lesser light to rule
the night (the moon)--and the stars." Genesis; 14-17, Holy Bible, New
Revised Standard Version, this writer's emphasis on signs.
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/christian.htm
http://www.e-wollmann.com/6a1.htm
http://www.e-wollmann.com/Pleiadian1/
In the Bible God speaks to Job in Job 38:31;
Can thou bind the sweet influences of the Pleiades, or loose the bands
(control) of Orion?
Can you lead forth the Mazzaroth in their season or can you guide
Arcturus with his sons?
Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you establish their
rule on earth?
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2004 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
http://www.e-wollmann.com/Pleiadian1/
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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05 Jan 2004 09:45:34 AM |
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(Edmond Wollmann) wrote in alt.atheism
In the Bible God speaks to Job in Job 38:31;
Can thou bind the sweet influences of the Pleiades, or loose the bands
(control) of Orion?
Can you lead forth the Mazzaroth in their season or can you guide
Arcturus with his sons?
Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you establish their
rule on earth?
Job 25:5-6 is a good example of ancient Sun worship, imo.
"If even the moon is not bright and the stars are not pure in his
eyes..."
When the sun comes out, does not the moon get less bright,
and the stars disappear or become "impute"?
Ra Ra, Amen-Ra.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Edmond Wollmann" |
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05 Jan 2004 01:37:12 PM |
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Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message news:<va1jvvg9eu1e9gh3cuu9rucf3ndpl83ouh@4ax.com>...
Azimech5@yahoo.com (Edmond Wollmann) wrote in alt.atheism
In the Bible God speaks to Job in Job 38:31;
Can thou bind the sweet influences of the Pleiades, or loose the bands
(control) of Orion?
Can you lead forth the Mazzaroth in their season or can you guide
Arcturus with his sons?
Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you establish their
rule on earth?
Job 25:5-6 is a good example of ancient Sun worship, imo.
"If even the moon is not bright and the stars are not pure in his
eyes..."
When the sun comes out, does not the moon get less bright,
and the stars disappear or become "impute"?
Ra Ra, Amen-Ra.
Actually, Europe has plenty of evidence religion/astrology blending,
it is primarily in the US that people are ignorant of the connection
between the two.
http://www.e-wollmann.com/gallery7.htm
http://www.e-wollmann.com/pleiadian1/
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2004 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
http://www.e-wollmann.com/pleiadian1/
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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06 Jan 2004 08:07:59 AM |
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(Edmond Wollmann) wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
(Edmond Wollmann) wrote in alt.atheism
In the Bible God speaks to Job in Job 38:31;
Can thou bind the sweet influences of the Pleiades, or loose the bands
(control) of Orion?
Can you lead forth the Mazzaroth in their season or can you guide
Arcturus with his sons?
Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you establish their
rule on earth?
Job 25:5-6 is a good example of ancient Sun worship, imo.
"If even the moon is not bright and the stars are not pure in his
eyes..."
When the sun comes out, does not the moon get less bright,
and the stars disappear or become "impure"?
Ra Ra, Amen-Ra.
Actually, Europe has plenty of evidence religion/astrology blending,
it is primarily in the US that people are ignorant of the connection
between the two.
People here are ignorant of a lot of things. For some reason the
Bible thumpers scoff at astrology, even though the Bible is full of
examples of astrological thinking and symbolisms.
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "digger" |
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05 Jan 2004 07:09:07 PM |
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(Edmond Wollmann) wrote:
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message news:<va1jvvg9eu1e9gh3cuu9rucf3ndpl83ouh@4ax.com>...
When the sun comes out, does not the moon get less bright,
and the stars disappear or become "impute"?
Ra Ra, Amen-Ra.
Actually, Europe has plenty of evidence religion/astrology blending,
it is primarily in the US that people are ignorant of the connection
between the two.
Hey! San Diego has more evidence of religion/astrology "blending",
thanks to those two fraudulent plagiarizing astro-blending
copyright scofflaws, Edmo & Turdi.
Actually, Edie, astrology is religion. It is the acceptance of
beliefs thru faith, without any rational basis. That's what
religion means.
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| User: "Edmond Wollmann" |
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07 Jan 2004 11:10:39 PM |
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If an idiot from pita.alt.net posts under my name, ignore him. He is
some obsessed stalker who must be looking to kill me next or something.
He seems to have OCD and cannot stand when I discuss with others.
From: Edmond Wollmann <kook@thebrinkofselfdestruction.urg>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.astrology,alt.bible,alt.astrology.metapsych
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| User: "Ron B." |
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07 Jan 2004 11:21:46 PM |
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| User: "Gary Duncan" |
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08 Jan 2004 12:18:49 AM |
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Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone@earthlink.net> wrote:
He seems to have OCD and cannot stand when I discuss with others.
OCD, Mr. Wollmann? You claim to have a degree in psychology
and yet you make such an erroneous diagnosis. Looks like the
people claiming that you do not have the degree you claim to
have are quite likely correct.
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| User: "Cujo" |
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07 Jan 2004 11:48:42 PM |
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Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone@earthlink.net> wrote in news:3FFCE633.6E28
@earthlink.net:
If an idiot from pita.alt.net posts under my name, ignore him.
No. ***** you very much.
He is
some obsessed stalker who must be looking to kill me next or something.
More power to him. I hope he's gay too, you freak.
He seems to have OCD and cannot stand when I discuss with others.
You haven't discussed anything, all you've done is cut and paste screed or
ranted. Got meds? Take them for a change, nutbar.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!.
Official TruKook(tm) as certified by Ed Wollmann. Meow.
"You have no clue how stupid you sound, do you?" - Edmo in an echo chamber.
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| User: "Edmond Wollmann" |
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08 Jan 2004 12:40:58 AM |
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Edmond Wollmann wrote:
If an idiot from pita.alt.net posts under my name, ignore him.
Because Eddddieee sure can't!
He is
some obsessed stalker who must be looking to kill me next or something.
Now don't go putting ideas into people's heads!
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| User: "" |
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07 Jan 2004 11:40:19 PM |
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In article <3FFCE633.6E28@earthlink.net>,
Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone@earthlink.net> wrote:
If an idiot from pita.alt.net posts under my name, ignore him.
He comes off as a lot smarter than you do, Eddy.
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| User: "William Barwell" |
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08 Jan 2004 09:23:17 PM |
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wrote:
In article <3FFCE633.6E28@earthlink.net>,
Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone@earthlink.net> wrote:
If an idiot from pita.alt.net posts under my name, ignore him.
He comes off as a lot smarter than you do, Eddy.
This is the dawning of the age of Stupidius
The Age of Stupidius
Stupidiussssssssss!
Stupidiusss!
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Bush! Chimp or chump?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Jim Phillips" |
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08 Jan 2004 09:21:26 AM |
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 wrote:
In article <3FFCE633.6E28@earthlink.net>,
Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone@earthlink.net> wrote:
If an idiot from pita.alt.net posts under my name, ignore him.
He comes off as a lot smarter than you do, Eddy.
Which immediately tips you off that it's not Eddy.
--
Jim Phillips, jphillip at bcpl dot net
"I get a nice safe feeling when I see a police car, and I realize I'm not
driving around with a trunkful of cocaine." -- G. Carlin
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| User: "Dr. Flonkenstein" |
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08 Jan 2004 11:30:12 AM |
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Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 08 Jan 2004 10:21:26 -0500, Jim Phillips
posted:
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 wrote:
In article <3FFCE633.6E28@earthlink.net>, Edmond Wollmann
<arcturianone@earthlink.net> wrote:
If an idiot from pita.alt.net posts under my name, ignore him.
He comes off as a lot smarter than you do, Eddy.
Which immediately tips you off that it's not Eddy.
Added to the fact that each of the "real" Eddie's posts is followed by a
nocem notification.
--
mhm 27x12
smeeter #28
Usenet Valhalla Circle #19 & #21
CEO Alcatroll Labs Inc.
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| User: "Phoenix" |
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08 Jan 2004 11:18:55 AM |
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In article <3FFCE633.6E28@earthlink.net>, Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone@earthlink.net> wrote:
If an idiot from pita.alt.net posts under my name, ignore him.
Can't practice what you preach, Eddy?
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| User: "Bob Officer" |
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05 Jan 2004 03:14:00 PM |
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On 5 Jan 2004 11:37:12 -0800, in alt.astrology, (Edmond
Wollmann) wrote:
Actually, Europe has plenty of evidence religion/astrology blending,
it is primarily in the US that people are ignorant of the connection
between the two.
Actually more people are enlighten about it. They care not for Religions or
Astrology.
--
Aktohdi
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| User: "Dan Baldwin" |
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05 Jan 2004 01:20:50 PM |
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Edmond Wollmann wrote:
Astrology in those days was a GIVEN, not a "scam."
And then one day came people like Edmo to change all that ...
--
Dan Baldwin, unethical *by design*
"I have always thought that the reason Dinosaurs were so big is because
of the dramatic difference in gravitational strength between that time
period and now" -Edmo the paleontologist
"Christ was just an enlightened person, not unlike me." -Edmo the humble
"I am an authority, and I do not force my views on others like you do."
-Edmo, enemy of Irony Meters all over Usenet
"It's not Latin, clueless wannabe tryhard." -Fucknozzle Junior
discussing the phrase 'Illegimati non carborundum'(sic)
Hail the un-alive
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| User: "" |
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05 Jan 2004 02:02:39 AM |
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In article <321a0f3b.0401041757.1327a157@posting.google.com>,
Edmond Wollmann <Azimech5@yahoo.com> wrote:
Astrology in those days was a GIVEN, not a "scam."
That's because they were ignorant in those days. Apparently
you still are.
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| User: "Bob Officer" |
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04 Jan 2004 08:15:08 PM |
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On 4 Jan 2004 17:57:43 -0800, in alt.astrology, (Edmond
Wollmann) wrote:
"And God said, "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate
the day from the night; and let them be for _SIGNS_ and for seasons
and it has been explained to you the hebrew word for sign is related to
calendar keeping/accounting not anything else.
I suggest you contact a rabbinical authority to bring your poorly
translated English version to line WRT what the Hebrew text says.
As if one superstitious belief is any better than the next.
and for days and for years, and let them be lights in the dome of the
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Aktohdi
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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05 Jan 2004 09:49:08 AM |
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Bob Officer <bobmungedofficers@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
I suggest you contact a rabbinical authority to bring your poorly
translated English version to line WRT what the Hebrew text says.
The internet is full of Jewish astrology sites. Don't try to pretend
that all Jewish people scoff at astrology. From what I've read, the
12 tribes of Israel are actually related to the zodiac constellations,
and there are plenty of Jewish people willing to back up that idea.
Even Christians who back up the idea can be found.
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Edmond Wollmann" |
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05 Jan 2004 08:23:26 PM |
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Bob Officer wrote:
On 4 Jan 2004 17:57:43 -0800, in alt.astrology, (Edmond
Wollmann) wrote:
"And God said, "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate
the day from the night; and let them be for _SIGNS_ and for seasons
and it has been explained to you the hebrew word for sign is related to
calendar keeping/accounting not anything else.
I suggest you contact a rabbinical authority to bring your poorly
translated English version to line WRT what the Hebrew text says.
I suggest you get an education so you can learn that astrology was an
integral part of the ancient world.
http://www.e-wollmann.com/gallery7.htm
http://www.e-wollmann.com/pleiadian1/
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2003 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Articles http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/info.htm
Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/TOC.htm
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| User: "Cujo" |
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05 Jan 2004 09:44:53 PM |
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Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:3FFA1C04.537C@earthlink.net:
Bob Officer wrote:
On 4 Jan 2004 17:57:43 -0800, in alt.astrology,
(Edmond Wollmann) wrote:
"And God said, "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to
separate the day from the night; and let them be for _SIGNS_ and for
seasons
and it has been explained to you the hebrew word for sign is related
to calendar keeping/accounting not anything else.
I suggest you contact a rabbinical authority to bring your poorly
translated English version to line WRT what the Hebrew text says.
I suggest you get an education so you can learn that astrology was an
integral part of the ancient world.
I suggest you get an enema so that Enzo will have an easier time of it.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!.
Official TruKook(tm) as certified by Ed Wollmann. Meow.
"The more you spam me, the less spam I get" -Edmond Wollmann, once again
focusing with laserlike precision and crystal clarity.
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| User: "Dan Baldwin" |
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06 Jan 2004 12:51:47 PM |
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Edmond Wollmann wrote:
Bob Officer wrote:
On 4 Jan 2004 17:57:43 -0800, in alt.astrology, (Edmond
Wollmann) wrote:
"And God said, "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate
the day from the night; and let them be for _SIGNS_ and for seasons
and it has been explained to you the hebrew word for sign is related to
calendar keeping/accounting not anything else.
I suggest you contact a rabbinical authority to bring your poorly
translated English version to line WRT what the Hebrew text says.
I suggest you get an education so you can learn that astrology was an
integral part of the ancient world.
So was belief in a flat Earth, spontaneous generation, and that the
sticky stuff young boys wake up covered in is caused by Succubi sneaking
in and fucking them at night.
Happily *some* of us have managed to move beyond ancient superstitions.
--
Dan Baldwin, unethical *by design*
"I have always thought that the reason Dinosaurs were so big is because
of the dramatic difference in gravitational strength between that time
period and now" -Edmo the paleontologist
"Christ was just an enlightened person, not unlike me." -Edmo the humble
"I am an authority, and I do not force my views on others like you do."
-Edmo, enemy of Irony Meters all over Usenet
"It's not Latin, clueless wannabe tryhard." -Fucknozzle Junior
discussing the phrase 'Illegimati non carborundum'(sic)
Hail the un-alive
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| User: "Pedantus" |
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06 Jan 2004 05:24:05 PM |
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Dan Baldwin wrote:
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
Bob Officer wrote:
On 4 Jan 2004 17:57:43 -0800, in alt.astrology,
(Edmond Wollmann) wrote:
"And God said, "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to
separate the day from the night; and let them be for _SIGNS_ and
for seasons
and it has been explained to you the hebrew word for sign is
related to calendar keeping/accounting not anything else.
I suggest you contact a rabbinical authority to bring your poorly
translated English version to line WRT what the Hebrew text says.
I suggest you get an education so you can learn that astrology was an
integral part of the ancient world.
So was belief in a flat Earth, spontaneous generation, and that the
sticky stuff young boys wake up covered in is caused by Succubi
sneaking
in and fucking them at night.
Happily *some* of us have managed to move beyond ancient
superstitions.
But does it always have to be in the manner of a bowel movement...:)?
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