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"david" |
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29 Jan 2005 09:44:08 PM |
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AI is educated programmed idiocy... |
Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:51:21 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> said in
alt.atheism:
This line of questioning should lead one to ask who/what created the
first set of parents...
Do you know the answer?
The first parent wasn't part of a set. It was probably part of an RNA
molecule. Or something even simpler. It depends on your definition
of "alive".
hmmmm...the first parent, wasn't part of a set...instead, it was
probably part of an rna molecule or something even simpler...
hmmmm...who/what created this rna molecule that contains, according to
God-less monied scientific dogmalogic, the building blocks of life?
Are you asking about the definition of "alive" as it relates to AI
derived from the engineering/programming/splicing of d/rna to become
what God-less AI machines program d/rna to be for the good of the AI
machinery at your expense?
If so, I have a question for you. Is life that exists on its own before
tha advent of AI the same as life that is kept alive for the purpose of
enabling the growth of AI machines? Can AI machines create life from
nothing, or do AI machines merely take hostage what God has created that
enables AI machines to think that they think all on their own?
If so, would this not make AI guilty of genetic terrorism?
Are machines that draw existence from a creation of God simply parasites
on God's creations? I would postulate the answer to be a resounding yes.
Any opinions?
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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| Title: Re: AI is educated programmed idiocy... |
31 Jan 2005 07:00:40 PM |
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Uncle Buck wrote:
Wordsmith wrote:
All right, if matter is not eternal and it wasn't created by a
benevolent deity, then how did it come about?
W : )
Still looking into how it came about, but as for the "eternal" part, you
don't know much about physics, do you? Matter decays. The entire
cosmos is decaying. Granted, quite slowly, but it won't be around forever.
D'OH! Never mind. You _did_ say "not eternal". Or did you mean the
"if" as in you don't _believe_ it to be eternal? If so, the above
applies. If not, then sorry, please just go about whatever it was you
were doing. ;-)
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| User: "Sam" |
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| Title: Re: AI is educated programmed idiocy... |
30 Jan 2005 01:03:32 AM |
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Wordsmith wrote:
If there was no creation, then matter is eternal.
W : )
or something else could be true, whatever
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| User: "david" |
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| Title: Re: AI is educated programmed idiocy... |
30 Jan 2005 01:26:26 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <41FC5808.1070203@ak.net>, david lumbered into the
room and mumbled:
hmmmm...who/what created
There was no "creation."
If so, who/what created you?
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: AI is educated programmed idiocy... |
31 Jan 2005 01:36:17 PM |
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david wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <41FC5808.1070203@ak.net>, david lumbered into the
room and mumbled:
hmmmm...who/what created
There was no "creation."
If so, who/what created you?
Uh oh. Mark, it looks like David needs "The Talk".
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: AI is educated programmed idiocy... |
31 Jan 2005 04:52:10 PM |
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In our last episode <367fljF4vrjhdU1@individual.net>, Tukla Ratte lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
david wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <41FC5808.1070203@ak.net>, david lumbered into the
room and mumbled:
hmmmm...who/what created
There was no "creation."
If so, who/what created you?
Uh oh. Mark, it looks like David needs "The Talk".
It's not my turn!
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: AI is educated programmed idiocy... |
01 Feb 2005 04:27:46 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <367fljF4vrjhdU1@individual.net>, Tukla Ratte lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
david wrote:
< snip >
If so, who/what created you?
Uh oh. Mark, it looks like David needs "The Talk".
It's not my turn!
I know, but he specifically asked *you*.
I'll be glad to provide visual aids.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: AI is educated programmed idiocy... |
02 Feb 2005 07:43:57 AM |
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In our last episode <36ae33F50vqr8U2@individual.net>, Tukla Ratte lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <367fljF4vrjhdU1@individual.net>, Tukla Ratte
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
david wrote:
< snip >
If so, who/what created you?
Uh oh. Mark, it looks like David needs "The Talk".
It's not my turn!
I know, but he specifically asked *you*.
I'll be glad to provide visual aids.
Um.... I have a doctor's appointment...
<whoosh>
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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02 Feb 2005 10:04:29 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <36ae33F50vqr8U2@individual.net>, Tukla Ratte lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <367fljF4vrjhdU1@individual.net>, Tukla Ratte
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
david wrote:
< snip >
If so, who/what created you?
Uh oh. Mark, it looks like David needs "The Talk".
It's not my turn!
I know, but he specifically asked *you*.
I'll be glad to provide visual aids.
Um.... I have a doctor's appointment...
<whoosh>
Pap smear? <snicker>
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: AI is educated programmed idiocy... |
29 Jan 2005 10:54:41 PM |
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Refer sig:
And Seneca ought to know, he helped write one.
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: AI is educated programmed idiocy... |
31 Jan 2005 01:27:43 PM |
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david wrote:
< snip >
hmmmm...who/what created this rna molecule that contains [...]
the building blocks of life?
There's this new-fangled branch of science called "chemistry". It's
very new, cutting edge stuff, so I can understand if you haven't heard
about it. As I understand it, "chemistry" is supposed to describe the
different ways atoms can bond and react with other atoms in a fairly
predictable manner. Pretty wild, huh?
I hear they're working on this pretty amazing "table", too....
< snip >
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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| Title: Re: AI is educated programmed idiocy... |
01 Feb 2005 04:29:51 AM |
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david wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:51:21 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> said in
alt.atheism:
This line of questioning should lead one to ask who/what created
the
first set of parents...
Do you know the answer?
The first parent wasn't part of a set. It was probably part of an
RNA
molecule. Or something even simpler. It depends on your
definition
of "alive".
hmmmm...the first parent, wasn't part of a set...instead, it was
probably part of an rna molecule or something even simpler...
hmmmm...who/what created this rna molecule that contains, according
to
God-less monied scientific dogmalogic, the building blocks of life?
Are you asking about the definition of "alive" as it relates to AI
derived from the engineering/programming/splicing of d/rna to become
what God-less AI machines program d/rna to be for the good of the AI
machinery at your expense?
If so, I have a question for you. Is life that exists on its own
before
tha advent of AI the same as life that is kept alive for the purpose
of
enabling the growth of AI machines? Can AI machines create life from
nothing, or do AI machines merely take hostage what God has created
that
enables AI machines to think that they think all on their own?
If so, would this not make AI guilty of genetic terrorism?
Are machines that draw existence from a creation of God simply
parasites
on God's creations? I would postulate the answer to be a resounding
yes.
Any opinions?
It really about the soul if you are a theist right? Since when do you
care about intellect? I like the dramatic effect of using words like
'hostage' and 'parasites'. Why would that analogy not be applicable
with any of "God's" materials. Is your house a parasite made of
enslaved wood?
It seems as if you are really worried about gangs of robots assaulting
you in the middle of the night. Did a bad Will Smith movie keep you up?
Well, when some very bright people do get A.I. to the point were it can
learn on it's own you may have reason to be concerned. A machine, soul
or no soul, will have an ability you seem to lack.
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| User: "John Jones" |
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| Title: Re: AI is educated programmed idiocy... |
30 Jan 2005 01:04:30 PM |
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david wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:51:21 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> said in
alt.atheism:
This line of questioning should lead one to ask who/what created
the
first set of parents...
Do you know the answer?
The first parent wasn't part of a set. It was probably part of an
RNA
molecule. Or something even simpler. It depends on your
definition
of "alive".
hmmmm...the first parent, wasn't part of a set...instead, it was
probably part of an rna molecule or something even simpler...
hmmmm...who/what created this rna molecule that contains, according
to
God-less monied scientific dogmalogic, the building blocks of life?
Are you asking about the definition of "alive" as it relates to AI
derived from the engineering/programming/splicing of d/rna to become
what God-less AI machines program d/rna to be for the good of the AI
machinery at your expense?
If so, I have a question for you. Is life that exists on its own
before
tha advent of AI the same as life that is kept alive for the purpose
of
enabling the growth of AI machines? Can AI machines create life from
nothing, or do AI machines merely take hostage what God has created
that
enables AI machines to think that they think all on their own?
If so, would this not make AI guilty of genetic terrorism?
Are machines that draw existence from a creation of God simply
parasites
on God's creations? I would postulate the answer to be a resounding
yes.
Any opinions?
Makes sense.
JJ
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: AI is educated programmed idiocy... |
30 Jan 2005 05:43:39 PM |
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On 30 Jan 2005 11:04:30 -0800, "John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol.com>
said in alt.atheism:
[piggybacking]
david wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:51:21 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> said in
alt.atheism:
This line of questioning should lead one to ask who/what created the
first set of parents...
Do you know the answer?
The first parent wasn't part of a set. It was probably part of an RNA
molecule. Or something even simpler. It depends on your definition
of "alive".
hmmmm...the first parent, wasn't part of a set...instead, it was
probably part of an rna molecule or something even simpler...
hmmmm...who/what created this rna molecule that contains, according to
God-less monied scientific dogmalogic, the building blocks of life?
Where's the evidence that this molecule *was* created? (As opposed
to "formed by deterministic means out of non-living molecules".)
--
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious
conviction."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
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