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"Tock" |
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09 Sep 2005 04:24:31 AM |
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Air Force recruiting in a gay retail shop |
I run a gay retail shop, advertise mostly to folks in the gay community in
local gay newspapers, and last week a local USAF recruiter stopped by to see
if they could leave some recruiting materials (a cardboard holder with some
brochures and USAF pencils) in my shop. Having been kicked out of the USAF
in 1977 for being gay, I bristled, and asked her, "Is the USAF still kicking
gay people out?" We had a brief chat over the "Don't Ask Don't Tell"
policy, and she voiced her opinion that the policy should be changed.
Neverthless, I was still tempted to throw her out of my shop like the USAF
threw me out of the military. But then, I thought chow cool would it be
to tell folks that the military is recruiting in a gay shop . . .
I still have mixed feelings about the whole thing . . . sometimes I just
want to trash their stuff, sometimes I think I'll just put a sticker on it
that says, "Heterosexuals Only Need Apply" and sometimes I think I'll just
let it alone and see what happens.
Anyway, I'd like to know what words of wisdom y'all might offer about this .
.. . maybe y'all can offer a perspective I haven't considered yet, pro or con
.. . .
Thanks,
-Tock
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: Air Force recruiting in a gay retail shop |
09 Sep 2005 10:59:39 PM |
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"Tock" <tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:388Ue.4536$wk6.4343@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
I run a gay retail shop, advertise mostly to folks in the gay community in
local gay newspapers, and last week a local USAF recruiter stopped by to
see if they could leave some recruiting materials (a cardboard holder with
some brochures and USAF pencils) in my shop. Having been kicked out of
the USAF in 1977 for being gay, I bristled, and asked her, "Is the USAF
still kicking gay people out?" We had a brief chat over the "Don't Ask
Don't Tell" policy, and she voiced her opinion that the policy should be
changed. Neverthless, I was still tempted to throw her out of my shop like
the USAF threw me out of the military. But then, I thought chow cool
would it be to tell folks that the military is recruiting in a gay shop . .
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I still have mixed feelings about the whole thing . . . sometimes I just
want to trash their stuff, sometimes I think I'll just put a sticker on it
that says, "Heterosexuals Only Need Apply" and sometimes I think I'll just
let it alone and see what happens.
Anyway, I'd like to know what words of wisdom y'all might offer about this
. . . maybe y'all can offer a perspective I haven't considered yet, pro or
con
I sort of like the idea of plastering a big pink 'Heterosexuals Only Need
Apply' sticker to it, and then calling the local media and perhaps a
gay-friendly civil rights lawyer. Should make for an interesting
conversation.
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| User: "maf1029 ©2001-2008" |
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| Title: Re: Air Force recruiting in a gay retail shop |
09 Sep 2005 07:16:02 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 04:24:31 GMT, "Tock" <tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I run a gay retail shop, advertise mostly to folks in the gay community in
local gay newspapers, and last week a local USAF recruiter stopped by to see
if they could leave some recruiting materials (a cardboard holder with some
brochures and USAF pencils) in my shop. Having been kicked out of the USAF
in 1977 for being gay, I bristled, and asked her, "Is the USAF still kicking
gay people out?" We had a brief chat over the "Don't Ask Don't Tell"
policy, and she voiced her opinion that the policy should be changed.
Neverthless, I was still tempted to throw her out of my shop like the USAF
threw me out of the military. But then, I thought chow cool would it be
to tell folks that the military is recruiting in a gay shop . . .
I still have mixed feelings about the whole thing . . . sometimes I just
want to trash their stuff, sometimes I think I'll just put a sticker on it
that says, "Heterosexuals Only Need Apply" and sometimes I think I'll just
let it alone and see what happens.
Anyway, I'd like to know what words of wisdom y'all might offer about this .
. . maybe y'all can offer a perspective I haven't considered yet, pro or con
. . .
Thanks,
-Tock
Boy, that's some ethical quagmire ya got there, Tock.
Personally, I say go for the payback option -- pass out stickers, make
up flyers advertising that people can come to your shop and get FREE
USAF literature and a FREE sticker with every purchase.
If you have any pics of yourself in your USAF uniform, you could hang
that up next to the literature, with a small sign that says "BEFORE"
underneath it, and then on the other side of the Air Force recruiting
materials, you could have a pic of yourself in some outlandish get-up
(maybe that Halloween you went out as Joan Crawford?) and put a small
sign next to it that says, "AFTER"?
Just some thought off the top of my head.
But whatever you do, have fun with it. Tell everyone who comes into
your shop about it, and let them share the laughter. It's always the
best revenge.
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| User: "Wild Bill Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Air Force recruiting in a gay retail shop |
09 Sep 2005 06:50:49 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 04:24:31 GMT, "Tock" <tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I run a gay retail shop, advertise mostly to folks in the gay community in
local gay newspapers, and last week a local USAF recruiter stopped by to see
if they could leave some recruiting materials (a cardboard holder with some
brochures and USAF pencils) in my shop. Having been kicked out of the USAF
in 1977 for being gay, I bristled, and asked her, "Is the USAF still kicking
gay people out?" We had a brief chat over the "Don't Ask Don't Tell"
policy, and she voiced her opinion that the policy should be changed.
Neverthless, I was still tempted to throw her out of my shop like the USAF
threw me out of the military. But then, I thought chow cool would it be
to tell folks that the military is recruiting in a gay shop . . .
I still have mixed feelings about the whole thing . . . sometimes I just
want to trash their stuff, sometimes I think I'll just put a sticker on it
that says, "Heterosexuals Only Need Apply" and sometimes I think I'll just
let it alone and see what happens.
Anyway, I'd like to know what words of wisdom y'all might offer about this .
. . maybe y'all can offer a perspective I haven't considered yet, pro or con
Stop your discriminating against heterosexuals and open your shop to
everyone, ***** HOLE!
Thanks,
-Tock
--
WILD BILL TAYLOR -- KILLFILED BY MAF1029
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Air Force recruiting in a gay retail shop |
09 Sep 2005 04:28:33 AM |
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Tock wrote:
I run a gay retail shop, advertise mostly to folks in the gay
community in local gay newspapers, and last week a local USAF
recruiter stopped by to see if they could leave some recruiting
materials (a cardboard holder with some brochures and USAF pencils)
in my shop. Having been kicked out of the USAF in 1977 for being
gay, I bristled, and asked her, "Is the USAF still kicking gay people
out?" We had a brief chat over the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy,
and she voiced her opinion that the policy should be changed.
Neverthless, I was still tempted to throw her out of my shop like the
USAF threw me out of the military. But then, I thought chow cool
would it be to tell folks that the military is recruiting in a gay
shop . . .
I still have mixed feelings about the whole thing . . . sometimes I
just want to trash their stuff, sometimes I think I'll just put a
sticker on it that says, "Heterosexuals Only Need Apply" and
sometimes I think I'll just let it alone and see what happens.
Anyway, I'd like to know what words of wisdom y'all might offer about
this . . . maybe y'all can offer a perspective I haven't considered
yet, pro or con . . .
Tough call. There are people that want to join and being gay should not stop
them.
(The down side is that when they start the draft again, wearing a dress to
your pre-induction physical will not help.)
If the recruiter was aware that your shop catered to gays it might be worth
calling the news media and let them know.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Air Force recruiting in a gay retail shop |
09 Sep 2005 01:21:30 PM |
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Tock wrote:
I run a gay retail shop, advertise mostly to folks in the gay community in
local gay newspapers, and last week a local USAF recruiter stopped by to see
if they could leave some recruiting materials (a cardboard holder with some
brochures and USAF pencils) in my shop. Having been kicked out of the USAF
in 1977 for being gay, I bristled, and asked her, "Is the USAF still kicking
gay people out?" We had a brief chat over the "Don't Ask Don't Tell"
policy, and she voiced her opinion that the policy should be changed.
Neverthless, I was still tempted to throw her out of my shop like the USAF
threw me out of the military. But then, I thought chow cool would it be
to tell folks that the military is recruiting in a gay shop . . .
I still have mixed feelings about the whole thing . . . sometimes I just
want to trash their stuff, sometimes I think I'll just put a sticker on it
that says, "Heterosexuals Only Need Apply" and sometimes I think I'll just
let it alone and see what happens.
Anyway, I'd like to know what words of wisdom y'all might offer about this .
. . maybe y'all can offer a perspective I haven't considered yet, pro or con
. . .
Regardless of the opinions of the recruiter (not that they haven't lied in the
past to fill their body counts), it is the LAW that known homosexuals get kicked
out. Period. DADT hasn't changed one damned thing.
Your idea of a "Heterosexuals Only Need Apply" is a very good one, and an honest
way to comply with federal law.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Air Force recruiting in a gay retail shop |
09 Sep 2005 06:36:20 PM |
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Gregory Gadow wrote:
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Regardless of the opinions of the recruiter (not that they haven't
lied in the past to fill their body counts), it is the LAW that known
homosexuals get kicked out. Period. DADT hasn't changed one damned
thing.
It is a law until case law changes it.
If I get a restraining order against someone and then invite them over, the
order is nullified.
I suspect that if someone openly recruits in a known (I don't know how) gay
establishment, them the law would change.
It would certainly make an interesting civil case.
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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| Title: Re: Air Force recruiting in a gay retail shop |
09 Sep 2005 07:22:40 AM |
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Tock wrote:
I run a gay retail shop, advertise mostly to folks in the gay community in
local gay newspapers, and last week a local USAF recruiter stopped by to see
if they could leave some recruiting materials (a cardboard holder with some
brochures and USAF pencils) in my shop. Having been kicked out of the USAF
in 1977 for being gay, I bristled, and asked her, "Is the USAF still kicking
gay people out?" We had a brief chat over the "Don't Ask Don't Tell"
policy, and she voiced her opinion that the policy should be changed.
Neverthless, I was still tempted to throw her out of my shop like the USAF
threw me out of the military. But then, I thought chow cool would it be
to tell folks that the military is recruiting in a gay shop . . .
I still have mixed feelings about the whole thing . . . sometimes I just
want to trash their stuff, sometimes I think I'll just put a sticker on it
that says, "Heterosexuals Only Need Apply" and sometimes I think I'll just
let it alone and see what happens.
Anyway, I'd like to know what words of wisdom y'all might offer about this .
. . maybe y'all can offer a perspective I haven't considered yet, pro or con
. . .
Straight or gay misses the point entirely. Are you willing to use your
shop to recruit assassins for the US military? If you are, you got way
bigger problems than anything you have mentioned so far.
You should first consult the ethics of the whole thing, and let your
personal issues take a back seat.
TCross
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