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14 Dec 2006 01:48:36 AM |
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Airlines workers sacrifice camel at airport |
More religious nonsense. What did the camel ever do to them?
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Airlines workers sacrifice camel at airport
Wed Dec 13, 9:39 AM ET
Workers at Turkish Airlines celebrated a job well done by sacrificing a
camel at Istanbul airport and their boss has now been suspended.
The national flag-carrier said on Wednesday maintenance staff killed the
camel at Turkey's busiest airport after sending a batch of aircraft back
to the supplier ahead of schedule.
Turkish Airlines has suspended the head of plane maintenance pending an
investigation, the company said in a statement.
Turkish newspapers carried pictures of the camel, two rugs thrown over
his hump, ahead of Tuesday's sacrifice. They also showed pictures of the
beast chopped up into chunks of meat.
Top-selling daily Hurriyet said 700 kilos of camel meat were distributed
among the workers. Turkish Airlines was accepted last week into the
Lufthansa-led Star Alliance.
Many Turks slaughter animals, usually sheep or cattle, in an annual
Muslim festival called the Festival of the Sacrifice, which falls in
early January.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061213/od_nm/turkey_camel_dc
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| User: "Emma Pease" |
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| Title: Re: Airlines workers sacrifice camel at airport |
14 Dec 2006 11:02:27 AM |
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In article <jhachmann-F55A12.23483613122006@news.giganews.com>, johac wrote:
More religious nonsense. What did the camel ever do to them?
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Airlines workers sacrifice camel at airport
Nothing but note that it was almost certainly eaten (see 700 kilo of
camel meat distributed among workers). Sacrifice in Islam does mean
killing an animal but the meat is eaten not wasted (no burnt
offerings). In fact, since to all observant Muslims (and observant
Jews for that matter but not observant Christians) butchering must be
accompanied by prayer, was this intended mainly as a sacrifice or as a
butchering? Ideally in a sacrifice during a religious holy day some
of the meat is suppose to be given to the poor who normally couldn't
afford to buy meat (this doesn't seem to be what happened here). We
in the US tend to butcher our animals out of sight and mind (I
remember the reaction at my University co-op when the cook crew for
one meal bought a live animal and had it killed at an abattoir instead
of buying the meat already killed). Turkey probably has a lot more
people still use to doing their own butchering.
From the Turkish point of view, I suspect any problem lies not in the
actual sacrifice/butchering but in other areas.
1. You aren't suppose to be butchering animals at the airport.
2. The perk for the workers of free meat might be out of line or
without permission of the higher ups.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Airlines workers sacrifice camel at airport |
14 Dec 2006 11:59:43 PM |
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In article <slrneo30t2.85a.emma@munin.Stanford.EDU>,
Emma Pease <emma@kanpai.stanford.edu> wrote:
In article <jhachmann-F55A12.23483613122006@news.giganews.com>, johac wrote:
More religious nonsense. What did the camel ever do to them?
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Airlines workers sacrifice camel at airport
Nothing but note that it was almost certainly eaten (see 700 kilo of
camel meat distributed among workers). Sacrifice in Islam does mean
killing an animal but the meat is eaten not wasted (no burnt
offerings). In fact, since to all observant Muslims (and observant
Jews for that matter but not observant Christians) butchering must be
accompanied by prayer, was this intended mainly as a sacrifice or as a
butchering? Ideally in a sacrifice during a religious holy day some
of the meat is suppose to be given to the poor who normally couldn't
afford to buy meat (this doesn't seem to be what happened here). We
in the US tend to butcher our animals out of sight and mind (I
remember the reaction at my University co-op when the cook crew for
one meal bought a live animal and had it killed at an abattoir instead
of buying the meat already killed). Turkey probably has a lot more
people still use to doing their own butchering.
I suppose that they do, that this animal was killed primarily as part of
a religious ritual. At least they didn't waste the meat. I'm curious. Is
camel a regular part of the diet in the Middle East?
From the Turkish point of view, I suspect any problem lies not in the
actual sacrifice/butchering but in other areas.
1. You aren't suppose to be butchering animals at the airport.
2. The perk for the workers of free meat might be out of line or
without permission of the higher ups.
True. I don't see that happening at a Western airport.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
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-Voltaire
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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15 Dec 2006 06:21:51 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:59:43 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
1. You aren't suppose to be butchering animals at the airport.
2. The perk for the workers of free meat might be out of line or
without permission of the higher ups.
True. I don't see that happening at a Western airport.
Personally, once you have accepted the cultural differences, I don't see is as
any different to western employers handing out Turkeys to their staff.
Only in the west do we humanize food.
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| User: "johac" |
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16 Dec 2006 12:11:31 AM |
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In article <ime6o257ulh5c1uqannggkg5vsue8nlsp1@4ax.com>,
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:59:43 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
1. You aren't suppose to be butchering animals at the airport.
2. The perk for the workers of free meat might be out of line or
without permission of the higher ups.
True. I don't see that happening at a Western airport.
Personally, once you have accepted the cultural differences, I don't see is as
any different to western employers handing out Turkeys to their staff.
Only in the west do we humanize food.
I suppose it's the public spectacle that I find disturbing and that
their superstition demands the death of a sentient creature to appease
some non existent being.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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16 Dec 2006 01:37:59 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:11:31 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <ime6o257ulh5c1uqannggkg5vsue8nlsp1@4ax.com>,
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:59:43 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
1. You aren't suppose to be butchering animals at the airport.
2. The perk for the workers of free meat might be out of line or
without permission of the higher ups.
True. I don't see that happening at a Western airport.
Personally, once you have accepted the cultural differences, I don't see is as
any different to western employers handing out Turkeys to their staff.
Only in the west do we humanize food.
I suppose it's the public spectacle that I find disturbing
I suppose it is to some, but personally, I don't have a problem with it.
By the age of ten, I could slaughter and dress a sheep, or a pig, and we didn't
have captive bolt, or electric stunners.
Different cultures, that's all.
and that
their superstition demands the death of a sentient creature to appease
some non existent being.
I have often wondered about that, but it seems to me, that while the official
excuse for the sacrifice, may well be the appeasement of some imaginary being,
the real reason for the sacrifice, is that it becomes the main course at the
village party. (:-)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Airlines workers sacrifice camel at airport |
16 Dec 2006 11:55:40 PM |
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In article <5fh8o210do6ophmq6bjnufe4o44ckqt4og@4ax.com>,
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:11:31 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <ime6o257ulh5c1uqannggkg5vsue8nlsp1@4ax.com>,
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:59:43 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
1. You aren't suppose to be butchering animals at the airport.
2. The perk for the workers of free meat might be out of line or
without permission of the higher ups.
True. I don't see that happening at a Western airport.
Personally, once you have accepted the cultural differences, I don't see
is as
any different to western employers handing out Turkeys to their staff.
Only in the west do we humanize food.
I suppose it's the public spectacle that I find disturbing
I suppose it is to some, but personally, I don't have a problem with it.
By the age of ten, I could slaughter and dress a sheep, or a pig, and we
didn't
have captive bolt, or electric stunners.
Different cultures, that's all.
I guess I'm a city boy,
and that
their superstition demands the death of a sentient creature to appease
some non existent being.
I have often wondered about that, but it seems to me, that while the official
excuse for the sacrifice, may well be the appeasement of some imaginary
being,
the real reason for the sacrifice, is that it becomes the main course at the
village party. (:-)
It's good that the meat doesn't go to waste, then that would be twice
the shame. I'm wondering though, is camel a staple in the Mid East diet?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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17 Dec 2006 05:12:00 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:55:40 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <5fh8o210do6ophmq6bjnufe4o44ckqt4og@4ax.com>,
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:11:31 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <ime6o257ulh5c1uqannggkg5vsue8nlsp1@4ax.com>,
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:59:43 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
1. You aren't suppose to be butchering animals at the airport.
2. The perk for the workers of free meat might be out of line or
without permission of the higher ups.
True. I don't see that happening at a Western airport.
Personally, once you have accepted the cultural differences, I don't see
is as
any different to western employers handing out Turkeys to their staff.
Only in the west do we humanize food.
I suppose it's the public spectacle that I find disturbing
I suppose it is to some, but personally, I don't have a problem with it.
By the age of ten, I could slaughter and dress a sheep, or a pig, and we
didn't
have captive bolt, or electric stunners.
Different cultures, that's all.
I guess I'm a city boy,
It shows. (:-)
and that
their superstition demands the death of a sentient creature to appease
some non existent being.
I have often wondered about that, but it seems to me, that while the official
excuse for the sacrifice, may well be the appeasement of some imaginary
being,
the real reason for the sacrifice, is that it becomes the main course at the
village party. (:-)
It's good that the meat doesn't go to waste, then that would be twice
the shame. I'm wondering though, is camel a staple in the Mid East diet?
More of a luxury, I would imagine.
You don't kill your most expensive animals, merely to eat. For that there are
sheep, goats, and cattle.
I would imagine that whole villages sub together, to buy a camel calf, and raise
it for the sacrifice/party.
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18 Dec 2006 03:54:31 PM |
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Dubh Ghall wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:55:40 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <5fh8o210do6ophmq6bjnufe4o44ckqt4og@4ax.com>,
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:11:31 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <ime6o257ulh5c1uqannggkg5vsue8nlsp1@4ax.com>,
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:59:43 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
1. You aren't suppose to be butchering animals at the airport.
2. The perk for the workers of free meat might be out of line or
without permission of the higher ups.
True. I don't see that happening at a Western airport.
Personally, once you have accepted the cultural differences, I don't see
is as
any different to western employers handing out Turkeys to their staff.
Only in the west do we humanize food.
I suppose it's the public spectacle that I find disturbing
I suppose it is to some, but personally, I don't have a problem with it.
By the age of ten, I could slaughter and dress a sheep, or a pig, and we
didn't
have captive bolt, or electric stunners.
Different cultures, that's all.
I guess I'm a city boy,
It shows. (:-)
and that
their superstition demands the death of a sentient creature to appease
some non existent being.
I have often wondered about that, but it seems to me, that while the official
excuse for the sacrifice, may well be the appeasement of some imaginary
being,
the real reason for the sacrifice, is that it becomes the main course at the
village party. (:-)
It's good that the meat doesn't go to waste, then that would be twice
the shame. I'm wondering though, is camel a staple in the Mid East diet?
More of a luxury, I would imagine.
You don't kill your most expensive animals, merely to eat. For that there are
sheep, goats, and cattle.
I would imagine that whole villages sub together, to buy a camel calf, and raise
it for the sacrifice/party.
http://67.19.222.106/food/graphics/camel.jpg
:)
Friend from Egypt says camels are expensive, rarely eaten and taste awful.
j.m.
#1491
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| User: "johac" |
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17 Dec 2006 11:23:50 PM |
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In article <q3jbo2lnt7mq5062co4t01a83393pi1ong@4ax.com>,
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:55:40 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <5fh8o210do6ophmq6bjnufe4o44ckqt4og@4ax.com>,
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:11:31 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <ime6o257ulh5c1uqannggkg5vsue8nlsp1@4ax.com>,
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:59:43 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
1. You aren't suppose to be butchering animals at the airport.
2. The perk for the workers of free meat might be out of line or
without permission of the higher ups.
True. I don't see that happening at a Western airport.
Personally, once you have accepted the cultural differences, I don't
see
is as
any different to western employers handing out Turkeys to their staff.
Only in the west do we humanize food.
I suppose it's the public spectacle that I find disturbing
I suppose it is to some, but personally, I don't have a problem with it.
By the age of ten, I could slaughter and dress a sheep, or a pig, and we
didn't
have captive bolt, or electric stunners.
Different cultures, that's all.
I guess I'm a city boy,
It shows. (:-)
and that
their superstition demands the death of a sentient creature to appease
some non existent being.
I have often wondered about that, but it seems to me, that while the
official
excuse for the sacrifice, may well be the appeasement of some imaginary
being,
the real reason for the sacrifice, is that it becomes the main course at
the
village party. (:-)
It's good that the meat doesn't go to waste, then that would be twice
the shame. I'm wondering though, is camel a staple in the Mid East diet?
More of a luxury, I would imagine.
You don't kill your most expensive animals, merely to eat. For that there
are
sheep, goats, and cattle.
I would imagine that whole villages sub together, to buy a camel calf, and
raise
it for the sacrifice/party.
Like the 'fatted calf' of Bible fiction, I suppose.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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16 Dec 2006 06:46:40 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:11:31 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <ime6o257ulh5c1uqannggkg5vsue8nlsp1@4ax.com>,
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:59:43 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
1. You aren't suppose to be butchering animals at the airport.
2. The perk for the workers of free meat might be out of line or
without permission of the higher ups.
True. I don't see that happening at a Western airport.
Personally, once you have accepted the cultural differences, I don't see is as
any different to western employers handing out Turkeys to their staff.
Only in the west do we humanize food.
I suppose it's the public spectacle that I find disturbing and that
their superstition demands the death of a sentient creature to appease
some non existent being.
Rather like Christianity?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Barry
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| User: "johac" |
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16 Dec 2006 11:50:15 PM |
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In article <iq49o2dn3kkmtlh1vrnmqg5mc5rt3srqr5@4ax.com>,
Barry OGrady <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:11:31 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
In article <ime6o257ulh5c1uqannggkg5vsue8nlsp1@4ax.com>,
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:59:43 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
1. You aren't suppose to be butchering animals at the airport.
2. The perk for the workers of free meat might be out of line or
without permission of the higher ups.
True. I don't see that happening at a Western airport.
Personally, once you have accepted the cultural differences, I don't see
is as
any different to western employers handing out Turkeys to their staff.
Only in the west do we humanize food.
I suppose it's the public spectacle that I find disturbing and that
their superstition demands the death of a sentient creature to appease
some non existent being.
Rather like Christianity?
Yep.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "bowman" |
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16 Dec 2006 12:46:03 PM |
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johac wrote:
I suppose it's the public spectacle that I find disturbing and that
their superstition demands the death of a sentient creature to appease
some non existent being.
At least when they were having problems with ghosts at the new Bangkok
airport, the monks just burned a lot of incense and put up a spirit house
or two.
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16 Dec 2006 11:56:41 PM |
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In article <1166294626_13829@corp.com>, bowman <bowman@montana.com>
wrote:
johac wrote:
I suppose it's the public spectacle that I find disturbing and that
their superstition demands the death of a sentient creature to appease
some non existent being.
At least when they were having problems with ghosts at the new Bangkok
airport, the monks just burned a lot of incense and put up a spirit house
or two.
It's nice to know that no spirits were harmed in the process. :-)
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
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| User: "bowman" |
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17 Dec 2006 01:41:29 PM |
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johac wrote:
At least when they were having problems with ghosts at the new Bangkok
airport, the monks just burned a lot of incense and put up a spirit house
or two.
It's nice to know that no spirits were harmed in the process.
I guess the ghosts mellowed out, went to live in their new houses, and
stopped screwing up the works. Too bad nobody thought of the solution when
they were trying to get the baggage system up at the Denver airport.
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17 Dec 2006 11:21:11 PM |
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In article <1166384348_26287@corp.com>, bowman <bowman@montana.com>
wrote:
johac wrote:
At least when they were having problems with ghosts at the new Bangkok
airport, the monks just burned a lot of incense and put up a spirit house
or two.
It's nice to know that no spirits were harmed in the process.
I guess the ghosts mellowed out, went to live in their new houses, and
stopped screwing up the works. Too bad nobody thought of the solution when
they were trying to get the baggage system up at the Denver airport.
For that one they needed an exorcist. :-)
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Dec 2006 02:42:47 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 23:48:36 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Many Turks slaughter animals, usually sheep or cattle, in an annual
Muslim festival called the Festival of the Sacrifice, which falls in
early January.
Probably in the name of peace and kindness.
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| User: "johac" |
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14 Dec 2006 11:54:39 PM |
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In article <gpd3o2ptf1ljgrsebe4ivv6luu68vsjv95@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 23:48:36 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Many Turks slaughter animals, usually sheep or cattle, in an annual
Muslim festival called the Festival of the Sacrifice, which falls in
early January.
Probably in the name of peace and kindness.
Of course. I would suppose that there are not too many members of PETA
in Muslim countries.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "sceptborg" |
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15 Dec 2006 01:12:55 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <gpd3o2ptf1ljgrsebe4ivv6luu68vsjv95@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 23:48:36 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Many Turks slaughter animals, usually sheep or cattle, in an annual
Muslim festival called the Festival of the Sacrifice, which falls in
early January.
Probably in the name of peace and kindness.
Of course. I would suppose that there are not too many members of PETA
in Muslim countries.
One hump... or two.
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16 Dec 2006 12:12:26 AM |
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In article <4582489E.F635D96A@fakeisp.com>,
sceptborg <thereisnone@fakeisp.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <gpd3o2ptf1ljgrsebe4ivv6luu68vsjv95@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 23:48:36 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
Many Turks slaughter animals, usually sheep or cattle, in an annual
Muslim festival called the Festival of the Sacrifice, which falls in
early January.
Probably in the name of peace and kindness.
Of course. I would suppose that there are not too many members of PETA
in Muslim countries.
One hump... or two.
Heh!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
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