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User:	"Yang, AthD h.c"
Date:	01 Sep 2004 08:24:06 PM
Object:	Alan Keyes Condemns Cheney's Gay Daughter (Hey Little ***** duke, Just Write the Check For $500 Out To "Planned Parenthood"

Just when you think he couldn't get any dumber....
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-040831illinois,1,6577738.story?coll=chi-news-hed
After Keyes told the hosts that homosexuality is "selfish hedonism,"
he was asked whether Mary Cheney is a "selfish hedonist."
"Of course she is," Keyes replied. "That goes by definition. Of course
she is."
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User: "MrPepper11"
Title: Re: Alan Keyes Condemns Cheney's Gay Daughter (Hey Little * duke, Just Write the Check For $500 Out To "Planned Parenthood"	08 Sep 2004 11:26:34 AM

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http://www.bettybowers.com/isbushgay.html
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User: "Michael Marxist Moore"
Title: **Statement By Swift Boat Veterans for Truth Member Larry Thurlow	01 Sep 2004 08:54:32 PM

**Statement By Swift Boat Veterans for Truth Member Larry Thurlow
I am convinced that the language used in my citation for a Bronze Star
was language taken directly from John Kerry's report which falsely
described the action on the Bay Hap River as action that saw small
arms fire and automatic weapons fire from both banks of the river.
To this day, I can say without a doubt in my mind, along with other
accounts from my shipmates-there was no hostile enemy fire directed at
my boat or at any of the five boats operating on the river that day.
I submitted no paperwork for a medal nor did I file an after action
report describing the incident. To my knowledge, John Kerry was the
only officer who filed a report describing his version of the
incidents that occurred on the river that day.
It was not until I had left the Navy-approximately three months after
I left the service-that I was notified that I was to receive a
citation for my actions on that day.
I believed then as I believe now that I received my Bronze Star for my
efforts to rescue the injured crewmen from swift boat number three and
to conduct damage control to prevent that boat from sinking. My boat
and several other swift boats went to the aid of our fellow swift boat
sailors whose craft was adrift and taking on water. We provided
immediate rescue and damage control to prevent boat three from sinking
and to offer immediate protection and comfort to the injured crew.
After the mine exploded, leaving swift boat three dead in the water,
John Kerry's boat, which was on the opposite side of the river, fled
the scene. US Army Special Forces officer Jim Rassmann, who was on
Kerry's boat at the time, fell off the boat and into the water.
Kerry's boat returned several minutes later-under no hail of enemy
gunfire-to retrieve Rassmann from the river only seconds before
another boat was going to pick him up.
Kerry campaign spokespersons have conflicting accounts of this
incident-the latest one being that Kerry's boat did leave but only
briefly and returned under withering enemy fire to rescue Mr.
Rassmann. However, none of the other boats on the river that day
reported enemy fire nor was anyone wounded by small arms action. The
only damage on that day was done to boat three-a result of the
underwater mine. None of the other swift boats received damage from
enemy gunfire.
And in a new development, Kerry campaign officials are now finally
acknowledging that while Kerry's boat left the scene, none of the
other boats on the river ever left the damaged swift boat. This is a
direct
contradiction to previous accounts made by Jim Rassmann in the
Oregonian newspaper and a direct contradiction to the "No Man Left
Behind" theme during the Democratic National Convention.
These ever changing accounts of the Bay Hap River incident by Kerry
campaign officials leave me asking one question. If no one ever left
the scene of the Bay Hap River incident, how could anyone be left
behind?
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Liberals Hate America!
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User: "Lloyd Parker"
Title: Re: Statement By Swift Boat Veterans for Truth Member Larry Thurlow**	02 Sep 2004 04:34:27 AM

In article <n9vcj0ptlq1mbv43pia3ttk01raqf4itj8@4ax.com>,
Michael Marxist Moore <mmmoore@N0TSPAM.0RG> wrote:

Except others on the boat say the same thing; one even said Thurlow was too
distracted to know what was going on.

To this day, I can say without a doubt in my mind, along with other
accounts from my shipmates-there was no hostile enemy fire directed at
my boat or at any of the five boats operating on the river that day.

Then you've lived with a lie for 40 years? Not a good character reference.

I submitted no paperwork for a medal nor did I file an after action
report describing the incident. To my knowledge, John Kerry was the
only officer who filed a report describing his version of the
incidents that occurred on the river that day.

To your knowledge? Laughable.

It was not until I had left the Navy-approximately three months after
I left the service-that I was notified that I was to receive a
citation for my actions on that day.

I believed then as I believe now that I received my Bronze Star for my
efforts to rescue the injured crewmen from swift boat number three and
to conduct damage control to prevent that boat from sinking.

So, you didn't bother to read it?

My boat
and several other swift boats went to the aid of our fellow swift boat
sailors whose craft was adrift and taking on water. We provided
immediate rescue and damage control to prevent boat three from sinking
and to offer immediate protection and comfort to the injured crew.

After the mine exploded, leaving swift boat three dead in the water,
John Kerry's boat, which was on the opposite side of the river, fled
the scene. US Army Special Forces officer Jim Rassmann, who was on
Kerry's boat at the time, fell off the boat and into the water.
Kerry's boat returned several minutes later-under no hail of enemy
gunfire-to retrieve Rassmann from the river only seconds before
another boat was going to pick him up.

Kerry campaign spokespersons have conflicting accounts of this
incident-the latest one being that Kerry's boat did leave but only
briefly and returned under withering enemy fire to rescue Mr.
Rassmann. However, none of the other boats on the river that day
reported enemy fire nor was anyone wounded by small arms action. The
only damage on that day was done to boat three-a result of the
underwater mine. None of the other swift boats received damage from
enemy gunfire.

False. www.factcheck.org

And in a new development, Kerry campaign officials are now finally
acknowledging that while Kerry's boat left the scene, none of the
other boats on the river ever left the damaged swift boat. This is a
direct
contradiction to previous accounts made by Jim Rassmann in the
Oregonian newspaper and a direct contradiction to the "No Man Left
Behind" theme during the Democratic National Convention.

These ever changing accounts of the Bay Hap River incident by Kerry
campaign officials leave me asking one question. If no one ever left
the scene of the Bay Hap River incident, how could anyone be left
behind?

---------
Liberals Hate America!

User: "Hanoi Jane Fonda"
Title: Ever Wonder Why Kerry Supports Homosexual Marriage...	02 Sep 2004 02:46:28 PM

Ever Wonder Why Kerry Supports Homosexual Marriage...
Kerry, Edwards Show Public Affection
By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
NEW YORK - Bear hugs. Pats on the back. Shoulder squeezes. John Kerry
(news - web sites) and John Edwards (news - web sites) are all over
each other. The two DemocRATs and one-time rivals have shared so much
public affection since becoming a team Tuesday that the presidential
candidate even joked about it in New York after Edwards introduced him
at fund-raisers and rallies - and hugged him before turning over the
podium.
Kerry grinned and shook his head. "There's been a lot of hugging this
week," the Massachusetts senator remarked with a chuckle Friday.
Later, Kerry mentioned that Jay Leno had teased the DemocRATic ticket
for being so touchy-feely. Mocking the apparent chemistry between the
candidates, "The Tonight Show" strung together clips of the two in
their first three days as running mates with Joe Cocker's weepy 1974
hit single "You Are So Beautiful" played in the background.
"We make a great couple, ladies and gentlemen," Kerry joked as New
York donors cracked up.
Hugging, kissing and squeezing has become a part of every event since
Kerry and Edwards set off on the campaign trail.
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User: "duke"
Title: Re: Alan Keyes Condemns Cheney's Gay Daughter (Hey Little * duke, Just Write the Check For $500 Out To "Planned Parenthood"	02 Sep 2004 05:29:13 PM

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:24:06 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:

That's right - by definition.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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User: "Yang, AthD h.c"
Title: Re: Alan Keyes Condemns Cheney's Gay Daughter (Hey Little * duke, Just Write the Check For $500 Out To "Planned Parenthood"	02 Sep 2004 11:10:22 PM

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:29:13 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:24:06 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:

After Keyes told the hosts that homosexuality is "selfish hedonism,"
he was asked whether Mary Cheney is a "selfish hedonist."

"Of course she is," Keyes replied. "That goes by definition. Of course
she is."

That's right - by definition.

And you're a draft dodging *****- by definition.
-----
Yang
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Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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User: "Hanoi Jane Fonda"
Title: Case Closed! LIBERALS HATE AMERICA!!!!!!!	03 Sep 2004 12:52:57 AM

Case Closed! LIBERALS HATE AMERICA!!!!!!!
From the November 24, 2003 issue: The U.S. government's secret memo
detailing cooperation between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.
by Stephen F. Hayes
11/24/2003, Volume 009, Issue 11

Editor's Note, 1/27/04: In today's Washington Post, Dana Milbank
reported that "Vice President Cheney . . . in an interview this month
with the Rocky Mountain News, recommended as the 'best source of
information' an article in The Weekly Standard magazine detailing a
relationship between Hussein and al Qaeda based on leaked classified
information."
Here's the Stephen F. Hayes article to which the vice president was
referring.
-JVL
OSAMA BIN LADEN and Saddam Hussein had an operational relationship
from the early 1990s to 2003 that involved training in explosives and
weapons of mass destruction, logistical support for terrorist attacks,
al Qaeda training camps and safe haven in Iraq, and Iraqi financial
support for al Qaeda--perhaps even for Mohamed Atta--according to a
top secret U.S. government memorandum obtained by THE WEEKLY STANDARD.
The memo, dated October 27, 2003, was sent from Undersecretary of
Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith to Senators Pat Roberts and Jay
Rockefeller, the chairman and vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence
Committee. It was written in response to a request from the committee
as part of its investigation into prewar intelligence claims made by
the administration. Intelligence reporting included in the 16-page
memo comes from a variety of domestic and foreign agencies, including
the FBI, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Central Intelligence
Agency, and the National Security Agency. Much of the evidence is
detailed, conclusive, and corroborated by multiple sources. Some of it
is new information obtained in custodial interviews with high-level al
Qaeda terrorists and Iraqi officials, and some of it is more than a
decade old. The picture that emerges is one of a history of
collaboration between two of America's most determined and dangerous
enemies.
According to the memo--which lays out the intelligence in 50 numbered
points--Iraq-al Qaeda contacts began in 1990 and continued through
mid-March 2003, days before the Iraq War began. Most of the numbered
passages contain straight, fact-based intelligence reporting, which
some cases includes an evaluation of the credibility of the source.
This reporting is often followed by commentary and analysis.
The relationship began shortly before the first Gulf War. According to
reporting in the memo, bin Laden sent "emissaries to Jordan in 1990 to
meet with Iraqi government officials." At some unspecified point in
1991, according to a CIA analysis, "Iraq sought Sudan's assistance to
establish links to al Qaeda." The outreach went in both directions.
According to 1993 CIA reporting cited in the memo, "bin Laden wanted
to expand his organization's capabilities through ties with Iraq."
The primary go-between throughout these early stages was Sudanese
strongman Hassan al-Turabi, a leader of the al Qaeda-affiliated
National Islamic Front. Numerous sources have confirmed this. One
defector reported that "al-Turabi was instrumental in arranging the
Iraqi-al Qaeda relationship. The defector said Iraq sought al Qaeda
influence through its connections with Afghanistan, to facilitate the
transshipment of proscribed weapons and equipment to Iraq. In return,
Iraq provided al Qaeda with training and instructors."
One such confirmation came in a postwar interview with one of Saddam
Hussein's henchmen. As the memo details:
4. According to a May 2003 debriefing of a senior Iraqi intelligence
officer, Iraqi intelligence established a highly secretive
relationship with Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and later with al Qaeda. The
first meeting in 1992 between the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) and
al Qaeda was brokered by al-Turabi. Former IIS
deputy director Faruq Hijazi and senior al Qaeda leader [Ayman al]
Zawahiri were at the meeting--the first of several between 1992 and
1995 in Sudan. Additional meetings between Iraqi intelligence and al
Qaeda were held in Pakistan. Members of al Qaeda would sometimes visit
Baghdad where they would meet the Iraqi intelligence chief in a safe
house. The report claimed that Saddam insisted the relationship with
al Qaeda be kept secret. After 9-11, the source said Saddam made a
personnel change in the IIS for fear the relationship would come under
scrutiny from foreign probes.
A decisive moment in the budding relationship came in 1993, when bin
Laden faced internal resistance to his cooperation with Saddam.
5. A CIA report from a contact with good access, some of whose
reporting has been corroborated, said that certain elements in the
"Islamic Army" of bin Laden were against the secular regime of Saddam.
Overriding the internal factional strife that was developing, bin
Laden came to an "understanding" with Saddam that the Islamic Army
would no longer support anti-Saddam activities. According to sensitive
reporting released in U.S. court documents during the African Embassy
trial, in 1993 bin Laden reached an "understanding" with Saddam under
which he (bin Laden) forbade al Qaeda operations to be mounted against
the Iraqi leader.
Another facilitator of the relationship during the mid-1990s was
Mahmdouh Mahmud Salim (a.k.a. Abu Hajer al-Iraqi). Abu Hajer, now in a
New York prison, was described in court proceedings related to the
August 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania as bin
Laden's "best friend." According to CIA reporting dating back to the
Clinton administration, bin Laden trusted him to serve as a liaison
with Saddam's regime and tasked him with procurement of weapons of
mass destruction for al Qaeda. FBI reporting in the memo reveals that
Abu Hajer "visited Iraq in early 1995" and "had a good relationship
with Iraqi intelligence. Sometime before mid-1995 he went on an al
Qaeda mission to discuss unspecified cooperation with the Iraqi
government."
Some of the reporting about the relationship throughout the mid-1990s
comes from a source who had intimate knowledge of bin Laden and his
dealings. This source, according to CIA analysis, offered "the most
credible information" on cooperation between bin Laden and Iraq.
This source's reports read almost like a diary. Specific dates of when
bin Laden flew to various cities are included, as well as names of
individuals he met. The source did not offer information on the
substantive talks during the meetings. . . . There are not a great
many reports in general on the relationship between bin Laden and Iraq
because of the secrecy surrounding it. But when this source with close
access provided a "window" into bin Laden's activities, bin Laden is
seen as heavily involved with Iraq (and Iran).
Reporting from the early 1990s remains somewhat sketchy, though
multiple sources place Hassan al-Turabi and Ayman al Zawahiri, bin
Laden's current No. 2, at the center of the relationship. The
reporting gets much more specific in the mid-1990s:
8. Reporting from a well placed source disclosed that bin Laden was
receiving training on bomb making from the IIS's [Iraqi Intelligence
Service] principal technical expert on making sophisticated
explosives, Brigadier Salim al-Ahmed. Brigadier Salim was observed at
bin Laden's farm in Khartoum in Sept.-Oct. 1995 and again in July
1996, in the company of the Director of Iraqi Intelligence, Mani
abd-al-Rashid al-Tikriti.
9 . . . Bin Laden visited Doha, Qatar (17-19 Jan. 1996), staying at
the residence of a member of the Qatari ruling family. He discussed
the successful movement of explosives into Saudi Arabia, and
operations targeted against U.S. and U.K. interests in Dammam, Dharan,
and Khobar, using clandestine al Qaeda cells in Saudi Arabia. Upon his
return, bin Laden met with Hijazi and Turabi, among others.
And later more reporting, from the same "well placed" source:
10. The Director of Iraqi Intelligence, Mani abd-al-Rashid al-Tikriti,
met privately with bin Laden at his farm in Sudan in July 1996.
Tikriti used an Iraqi delegation traveling to Khartoum to discuss
bilateral cooperation as his "cover" for his own entry into Sudan to
meet with bin Laden and Hassan al-Turabi. The Iraqi intelligence chief
and two other IIS officers met at bin Laden's farm and discussed bin
Laden's request for IIS technical assistance in: a) making letter and
parcel bombs; b) making bombs which could be placed
on aircraft and detonated by changes in barometric pressure; and c)
making false passport [sic]. Bin Laden specifically requested that
[Brigadier Salim al-Ahmed], Iraqi intelligence's premier explosives
maker--especially skilled in making car bombs--remain with him in
Sudan. The Iraqi intelligence chief instructed Salim to remain in
Sudan with bin Laden as long as required.
The analysis of those events follows:
The time of the visit from the IIS director was a few weeks after the
Khobar Towers bombing. The bombing came on the third anniversary of a
U.S. [Tomahawk missile] strike on IIS HQ (retaliation for the
attempted assassination of former President Bush in Kuwait) for which
Iraqi officials explicitly threatened retaliation.
IN ADDITION TO THE CONTACTS CLUSTERED in the mid-1990s, intelligence
reports detail a flurry of activities in early 1998 and again in
December 1998. A "former senior Iraqi intelligence officer" reported
that "the Iraqi intelligence service station in Pakistan was Baghdad's
point of contact with al Qaeda. He also said bin Laden visited Baghdad
in Jan. 1998 and met with Tariq Aziz."
11. According to sensitive reporting, Saddam personally sent Faruq
Hijazi, IIS deputy director and later Iraqi ambassador to Turkey, to
meet with bin Laden at least twice, first in Sudan and later in
Afghanistan in 1999. . . .
14. According to a sensitive reporting [from] a "regular and reliable
source," [Ayman al] Zawahiri, a senior al Qaeda operative, visited
Baghdad and met with the Iraqi Vice President on 3 February 1998. The
goal of the visit was to arrange for coordination between Iraq and bin
Laden and establish camps in an-Nasiriyah and Iraqi Kurdistan under
the leadership of Abdul Aziz.
That visit came as the Iraqis intensified their defiance of the U.N.
inspection regime, known as UNSCOM, created by the cease-fire
agreement following the Gulf War. UNSCOM demanded access to Saddam's
presidential palaces that he refused to provide. As the tensions
mounted, President Bill Clinton went to the Pentagon on February 18,
1998, and prepared the nation for war. He warned of "an unholy axis of
terrorists, drug traffickers, and organized international criminals"
and said "there is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam
Hussein."
The day after this speech, according to documents unearthed in April
2003 in the Iraqi Intelligence headquarters by journalists Mitch
Potter and Inigo Gilmore, Hussein's intelligence service wrote a memo
detailing coming meetings with a bin Laden representative traveling to
Baghdad. Each reference to bin Laden had been covered by liquid paper
that, when revealed, exposed a plan to increase cooperation between
Iraq and al Qaeda. According to that memo, the IIS agreed to pay for
"all the travel and hotel costs inside Iraq to gain the knowledge of
the message from bin Laden and to convey to his envoy an oral message
from us to bin Laden." The document set as the goal for the meeting a
discussion of "the future of our relationship with him, bin Laden, and
to achieve a direct meeting with him." The al Qaeda representative,
the document went on to suggest, might provide "a way to maintain
contacts with bin Laden." Four days later, on February 23, 1998, bin
Laden issued his now-famous fatwa on the plight of Iraq, published in
the Arabic-language daily, al Quds al-Arabi: "For over seven years the
United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of
places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its
rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning
its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the
neighboring Muslim peoples." Bin Laden urged his followers to act:
"The ruling to kill all Americans and their allies--civilians and
military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any
country in which it is possible to do it."
Although war was temporarily averted by a last-minute deal brokered by
U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, tensions soon rose again. The
standoff with Iraq came to a head in December 1998, when President
Clinton launched Operation Desert Fox, a 70-hour bombing campaign that
began on December 16 and ended three days later, on December 19, 1998.
According to press reports at the time, Faruq Hijazi, deputy director
of Iraqi Intelligence, met with bin Laden in Afghanistan on December
21, 1998, to offer bin Laden safe haven in Iraq. CIA reporting in the
memo to the Senate Intelligence Committee seems to confirm this
meeting and relates two others.
15. A foreign government service reported that an Iraqi delegation,
including at least two Iraqi intelligence officers formerly assigned
to the Iraqi Embassy in Pakistan, met in late 1998 with bin Laden in
Afghanistan.
16. According to CIA reporting, bin Laden and Zawahiri met with two
Iraqi intelligence officers in Afghanistan in Dec. 1998.
17. . . . Iraq sent an intelligence officer to Afghanistan to seek
closer ties to bin Laden and the Taliban in late 1998. The source
reported that the Iraqi regime was trying to broaden its cooperation
with al Qaeda. Iraq was looking to recruit Muslim "elements" to
sabotage U.S. and U.K. interests. After a senior Iraqi intelligence
officer met with Taliban leader [Mullah] Omar, arrangements were made
for a series of meetings between the Iraqi intelligence officer and
bin Laden in Pakistan. The source noted Faruq Hijazi was in
Afghanistan in late 1998.
18. . . . Faruq Hijazi went to Afghanistan in 1999 along with several
other Iraqi officials to meet with bin Laden. The source claimed that
Hijazi would have met bin Laden only at Saddam's explicit direction.
An analysis that follows No. 18 provides additional context and an
explanation of these reports:
Reporting entries #4, #11, #15, #16, #17, and #18, from different
sources, corroborate each other and provide confirmation of meetings
between al Qaeda operatives and Iraqi intelligence in Afghanistan and
Pakistan. None of the reports have information on operational details
or the purpose of such meetings. The covert nature of the relationship
would indicate strict compartmentation [sic] of operations.
Information about connections between al Qaeda and Iraq was so
widespread by early 1999 that it made its way into the mainstream
press. A January 11, 1999, Newsweek story ran under this headline:
"Saddam + Bin Laden?" The story cited an "Arab intelligence source"
with knowledge of contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda. "According to
this source, Saddam expected last month's American and British bombing
campaign to go on much longer than it did. The dictator believed that
as the attacks continued, indignation would grow in the Muslim world,
making his terrorism offensive both harder to trace and more
effective. With acts of terror contributing to chaos in the region,
Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait might feel less inclined to
support Washington. Saddam's long-term strategy, according to several
sources, is to bully or cajole Muslim countries into breaking the
embargo against Iraq, without waiting for the United Nations to lift
if formally."
INTELLIGENCE REPORTS about the nature of the relationship between Iraq
and al Qaeda from mid-1999 through 2003 are conflicting. One senior
Iraqi intelligence officer in U.S. custody, Khalil Ibrahim Abdallah,
"said that the last contact between the IIS and al Qaeda was in July
1999. Bin Laden wanted to meet with Saddam, he said. The guidance sent
back from Saddam's office reportedly ordered Iraqi intelligence to
refrain from any further contact with bin Laden and al Qaeda. The
source opined that Saddam wanted to distance himself from al Qaeda."
The bulk of reporting on the relationship contradicts this claim. One
report states that "in late 1999" al Qaeda set up a training camp in
northern Iraq that "was operational as of 1999." Other reports suggest
that the Iraqi regime contemplated several offers of safe haven to bin
Laden throughout 1999.
23. . . . Iraqi officials were carefully considering offering safe
haven to bin Laden and his closest collaborators in Nov. 1999. The
source indicated the idea was put forward by the presumed head of
Iraqi intelligence in Islamabad (Khalid Janaby) who in turn was in
frequent contact and had good relations with bin Laden.
Some of the most intriguing intelligence concerns an Iraqi named Ahmed
Hikmat Shakir:
24. According to sensitive reporting, a Malaysia-based Iraqi national
(Shakir) facilitated the arrival of one of the Sept 11 hijackers for
an operational meeting in Kuala Lumpur (Jan 2000). Sensitive reporting
indicates Shakir's travel and contacts link him to a worldwide network
of terrorists, including al Qaeda. Shakir worked at the Kuala Lumpur
airport--a job he claimed to have obtained through an Iraqi embassy
employee.
One of the men at that al Qaeda operational meeting in the Kuala
Lumpur Hotel was Tawfiz al Atash, a top bin Laden lieutenant later
identified as the mastermind of the October 12, 2000, attack on the
USS Cole.
25. Investigation into the bombing of the USS Cole in October 2000 by
al Qaeda revealed no specific Iraqi connections but according to the
CIA, "fragmentary evidence points to possible Iraqi involvement."
26. During a custodial interview, Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi [a senior al
Qaeda operative] said he was told by an al Qaeda associate that he was
tasked to travel to Iraq (1998) to establish a relationship with Iraqi
intelligence to obtain poisons and gases training. After the USS Cole
bombing in 2000, two al Qaeda operatives were sent to Iraq for
CBW-related [Chemical and Biological Weapons] training beginning in
Dec 2000. Iraqi intelligence was "encouraged" after the embassy and
USS Cole bombings to provide this training.
The analysis of this report follows.
CIA maintains that Ibn al-Shaykh's timeline is consistent with other
sensitive reporting indicating that bin Laden asked Iraq in 1998 for
advanced weapons, including CBW and "poisons."
Additional reporting also calls into question the claim that relations
between Iraq and al Qaeda cooled after mid-1999:
27. According to sensitive CIA reporting, . . . the Saudi National
Guard went on a kingdom-wide state of alert in late Dec 2000 after
learning Saddam agreed to assist al Qaeda in attacking U.S./U.K.
interests in Saudi Arabia.
And then there is the alleged contact between lead 9/11 hijacker
Mohamed Atta and an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague. The
reporting on those links suggests not one meeting, but as many as
four. What's more, the memo reveals potential financing of Atta's
activities by Iraqi intelligence.
The Czech counterintelligence service reported that the Sept. 11
hijacker [Mohamed] Atta met with the former Iraqi intelligence chief
in Prague, [Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir] al Ani, on several occasions.
During one of these meetings, al Ani ordered the IIS finance officer
to issue Atta funds from IIS financial holdings in the Prague office.
And the commentary:
CIA can confirm two Atta visits to Prague--in Dec. 1994 and in June
2000; data surrounding the other two--on 26 Oct 1999 and 9 April
2001--is complicated and sometimes contradictory and CIA and FBI
cannot confirm Atta met with the IIS. Czech Interior Minister
Stanislav Gross continues to stand by his information.
It's not just Gross who stands by the information. Five high-ranking
members of the Czech government have publicly confirmed meetings
between Atta and al Ani. The meeting that has gotten the most press
attention--April 9, 2001--is also the most widely disputed. Even some
of the most hawkish Bush administration officials are privately
skeptical that Atta met al Ani on that occasion. They believe that
reports of the alleged meeting, said to have taken place in public,
outside the headquarters of the U.S.-financed Radio Free Europe/Radio
Liberty, suggest a level of sloppiness that doesn't fit the pattern of
previous high-level Iraq-al Qaeda contacts.
Whether or not that specific meeting occurred, the report by Czech
counterintelligence that al Ani ordered the Iraqi Intelligence Service
officer to provide IIS funds to Atta might help explain the lead
hijacker's determination to reach Prague, despite significant
obstacles, in the spring 2000. (Note that the report stops short of
confirming that the funds were transferred. It claims only that the
IIS officer requested the transfer.) Recall that Atta flew to Prague
from Germany on May 30, 2000, but was denied entry because he did not
have a valid visa. Rather than simply return to Germany and fly
directly to the United States, his ultimate destination, Atta took
pains to get to Prague. After he was refused entry the first time, he
traveled back to Germany, obtained the proper paperwork, and caught a
bus back to Prague. He left for the United States the day after
arriving in Prague for the second time.
Several reports indicate that the relationship between Saddam and bin
Laden continued, even after the September 11 attacks:
31. An Oct. 2002 . . . report said al Qaeda and Iraq reached a secret
agreement whereby Iraq would provide safe haven to al Qaeda members
and provide them with money and weapons. The agreement reportedly
prompted a large number of al Qaeda members to head to Iraq. The
report also said that al Qaeda members involved in a fraudulent
passport network for al Qaeda had been directed to procure 90 Iraqi
and Syrian passports for al Qaeda personnel.
The analysis that accompanies that report indicates that the report
fits the pattern of Iraq-al Qaeda collaboration:
References to procurement of false passports from Iraq and offers of
safe haven previously have surfaced in CIA source reporting considered
reliable. Intelligence reports to date have maintained A that Iraqi
support for al Qaeda usually involved providing training, obtaining
passports, and offers of refuge. This report adds to that list by
including weapons and money. This assistance would make sense in the
aftermath of 9-11.
Colin Powell, in his February 5, 2003, presentation to the U.N.
Security Council, revealed the activities of Abu Musab al Zarqawi.
Reporting in the memo expands on Powell's case and might help explain
some of the resistance the U.S. military is currently facing in Iraq.
37. Sensitive reporting indicates senior terrorist planner and close
al Qaeda associate al Zarqawi has had an operational alliance with
Iraqi officials. As of Oct. 2002, al Zarqawi maintained contacts with
the IIS to procure weapons and explosives, including surface-to-air
missiles from an IIS officer in Baghdad. According to sensitive
reporting, al Zarqawi was setting up sleeper cells in Baghdad to be
activated in case of a U.S. occupation of the city, suggesting his
operational cooperation with the Iraqis may have deepened in recent
months. Such cooperation could include IIS provision of a secure
operating bases [sic] and steady access to arms and explosives in
preparation for a possible U.S. invasion. Al Zarqawi's procurements
from the Iraqis also could support al Qaeda operations against the
U.S. or its allies elsewhere.
38. According to sensitive reporting, a contact with good access who
does not have an established reporting record: An Iraqi intelligence
service officer said that as of mid-March the IIS was providing
weapons to al Qaeda members located in northern Iraq, including rocket
propelled grenade (RPG)-18 launchers. According to IIS information,
northern Iraq-based al Qaeda members believed that the U.S. intended
to strike al Qaeda targets during an anticipated assault against Ansar
al-Islam positions.
The memo further reported pre-war intelligence which "claimed that an
Iraqi intelligence official, praising Ansar al-Islam, provided it with
$100,000 and agreed to continue to give assistance."
CRITICS OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION have complained that Iraq-al Qaeda
connections are a fantasy, trumped up by the warmongers at the White
House to fit their preconceived notions about international terror;
that links between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden have been
routinely "exaggerated" for political purposes; that hawks
"cherry-picked" bits of intelligence and tendentiously presented these
to the American public.
Carl Levin, a senior member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, made
those points as recently as November 9, in an appearance on "Fox News
Sunday." Republicans on the committee, he complained, refuse to look
at the administration's "exaggeration of intelligence."
Said Levin: "The question is whether or not they exaggerated
intelligence in order to carry out their purpose, which was to make
the case for going to war. Did we know, for instance, with certainty
that there was any relationship between the Iraqis and the terrorists
that were in Afghanistan, bin Laden? The administration said that
there's a connection between those terrorist groups in Afghanistan and
Iraq. Was there a basis for that?"
There was, as shown in the memo to the committee on which Levin
serves. And much of the reporting comes from Clinton-era intelligence.
Not that you would know this from Al Gore's recent public statements.
Indeed, the former vice president claims to be privy to new "evidence"
that the administration lied. In an August speech at New York
University, Gore claimed: "The evidence now shows clearly that Saddam
did not want to work with Osama bin Laden at all, much less give him
weapons of mass destruction." Really?
One of the most interesting things to note about the 16-page memo is
that it covers only a fraction of the evidence that will eventually be
available to document the relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda. For
one thing, both Saddam and bin Laden were desperate to keep their
cooperation secret. (Remember, Iraqi intelligence used liquid paper on
an internal intelligence document to conceal bin Laden's name.) For
another, few people in the U.S. government are expressly looking for
such links. There is no Iraq-al Qaeda equivalent of the CIA's
1,400-person Iraq Survey Group currently searching Iraq for weapons of
mass destruction.
Instead, CIA and FBI officials are methodically reviewing Iraqi
intelligence files that survived the three-week war last spring. These
documents would cover several miles if laid end-to-end. And they are
in Arabic. They include not only connections between bin Laden and
Saddam, but also revolting details of the regime's long history of
brutality. It will be a slow process.
So Feith's memo to the Senate Intelligence Committee is best viewed as
sort of a "Cliff's Notes" version of the relationship. It contains the
highlights, but it is far from exhaustive.
One example. The memo contains only one paragraph on Ahmed Hikmat
Shakir, the Iraqi facilitator who escorted two September 11 hijackers
through customs in Kuala Lumpur. U.S. intelligence agencies have
extensive reporting on his activities before and after the September
11 hijacking. That they would include only this brief overview
suggests the 16-page memo, extensive as it is, just skims the surface
of the reporting on Iraq-al Qaeda connections.
Other intelligence reports indicate that Shakir whisked not one but
two September 11 hijackers--Khalid al Midhar and Nawaq al
Hamzi--through the passport and customs process upon their arrival in
Kuala Lumpur on January 5, 2000. Shakir then traveled with the
hijackers to the Kuala Lumpur Hotel where they met with Ramzi bin al
Shibh, one of the masterminds of the September 11 plot. The meeting
lasted three days. Shakir returned to work on January 9 and January
10, and never again.
Shakir got his airport job through a contact at the Iraqi Embassy.
(Iraq routinely used its embassies as staging grounds for its
intelligence operations; in some cases, more than half of the alleged
"diplomats" were intelligence operatives.) The Iraqi embassy, not his
employer, controlled Shakir's schedule. He was detained in Qatar on
September 17, 2001. Authorities found in his possession contact
information for terrorists involved in the 1993 World Trade Center
bombing, the 1998 embassy bombings, the 2000 attack on the USS Cole,
and the September 11 hijackings. The CIA had previous reporting that
Shakir had received a phone call from the safe house where the 1993
World Trade Center attacks had been plotted.
The Qataris released Shakir shortly after his arrest. On October 21,
2001, he flew to Amman, Jordan, where he was to change planes to a
flight to Baghdad. He didn't make that flight. Shakir was detained in
Jordan for three months, where the CIA interrogated him. His
interrogators concluded that Shakir had received extensive training in
counter-interrogation techniques. Not long after he was detained,
according to an official familiar with the intelligence, the Iraqi
regime began to "pressure" Jordanian intelligence to release him. At
the same time, Amnesty International complained that Shakir was being
held without charge. The Jordanians released him on January 28, 2002,
at which point he is believed to have fled back to Iraq.
Was Shakir an Iraqi agent? Does he provide a connection between Saddam
Hussein and September 11? We don't know. We may someday find out.
But there can no longer be any serious argument about whether Saddam
Hussein's Iraq worked with Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda to plot
against Americans.
Stephen F. Hayes is a staff writer at The Weekly Standard.
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User: "Hanoi Jane Fonda"
Title: Kerry Gunner: KERRY IS A LIAR!! LIAR!! LIAR!!	03 Sep 2004 12:58:21 AM

Kerry Gunner: KERRY IS A LIAR!! LIAR!! LIAR!!
The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have a new ad out, this time with a
Vietnam veteran straight from John Kerry's own boat, PCF-44, who
disputes John Kerry's claims of where he was around Christmas of 1968.
Read the text of the ad below:
Pictured is Steve Gardner, a foregunner on PCF-44, John Kerry's Boat:
"I spent more time on John Kerry's boat than any other crewmember ...
"John Kerry hasn't been honest, he's been deceitful.
"John Kerry claims he spent Christmas of 1968 in Cambodia, and that is
categorically a lie.
"Not in December, not in January; we were never in Cambodia on a
secret mission, ever."
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User: "It was Hidey-Bunker who Terrorized America"
Title: SHIFTY Swifty sez: KERRY IS A LIAR!! LIAR!! LIAR!!	03 Sep 2004 02:18:40 AM

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004, Hanoi Jane Fonda wrote::
Kerry Gunner: KERRY IS A LIAR!! LIAR!! LIAR!!

Yawn. So what? Even Kerry's campain admits
Kerry may have been mistaken about the date.
Big wow.
Stupid sensationalist muckrackers.
All smoke, no fire.
How many of the Shifty Swifty lies have been proven
wrong in the last few weeks? About all of them?
What happened to that "no gunfight" claim
again?
Swiftly Shifted out?
What happened to that "Silver Medal" claim
again?
Swiftly Shifted out?
Why did that Bush lawyer resign again?
Shifty Swifties.
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User: "McCleod"
Title: Re: SHIFTY Swifty sez: KERRY IS A LIAR!! LIAR!! LIAR!!	03 Sep 2004 06:16:39 AM

(It was Hidey-Bunker who Terrorized America) wrote in message news:<10jg5cvb3qq863f@corp.supernews.com>...

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004, Hanoi Jane Fonda wrote::
Kerry Gunner: KERRY IS A LIAR!! LIAR!! LIAR!!

Yawn. So what? Even Kerry's campain admits
Kerry may have been mistaken about the date.

Big wow.

Stupid sensationalist muckrackers.
All smoke, no fire.

How many of the Shifty Swifty lies have been proven
wrong in the last few weeks? About all of them?

What happened to that "no gunfight" claim
again?

Swiftly Shifted out?

What happened to that "Silver Medal" claim
again?

Swiftly Shifted out?

Why did that Bush lawyer resign again?

Shifty Swifties.

Really. Who remembers exactly where they were on Xmas eve over 35
years ago?
I sure don't.
And since the Swift Boat Veterans have been caught in lie after lie.
Since they have been caught forging signatures (in fact, a short check
shows that probably c. 25% of the signatures on their list were not
approved).
And since the ultimate end of their junk advertisements is to destroy
John Kerry for exercising his rights of free speech (after having
fought for all of our rights) by speaking out about what he and other
soldiers felt were war crimes.
It is clear that the Swift Boat Veterans are the a petty fascist group
with known ties to the Bush campaign.
.

User: "Bob Harrington rch at blarg dot net"
Title: Re: SHIFTY Swifty sez: KERRY IS A LIAR!! LIAR!! LIAR!!	03 Sep 2004 08:32:59 PM

McCleod wrote:

brutus@u-2.com (It was Hidey-Bunker who Terrorized America) wrote in
message news:<10jg5cvb3qq863f@corp.supernews.com>...

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004, Hanoi Jane Fonda wrote::
Kerry Gunner: KERRY IS A LIAR!! LIAR!! LIAR!!

Yawn. So what? Even Kerry's campain admits
Kerry may have been mistaken about the date.

Big wow.

Stupid sensationalist muckrackers.
All smoke, no fire.

How many of the Shifty Swifty lies have been proven
wrong in the last few weeks? About all of them?

What happened to that "no gunfight" claim
again?

Swiftly Shifted out?

What happened to that "Silver Medal" claim
again?

Swiftly Shifted out?

Why did that Bush lawyer resign again?

Shifty Swifties.

Really. Who remembers exactly where they were on Xmas eve over 35
years ago?

I sure don't.

And since the Swift Boat Veterans have been caught in lie after lie.

Since they have been caught forging signatures (in fact, a short check
shows that probably c. 25% of the signatures on their list were not
approved).

And since the ultimate end of their junk advertisements is to destroy
John Kerry for exercising his rights of free speech (after having
fought for all of our rights) by speaking out about what he and other
soldiers felt were war crimes.

It is clear that the Swift Boat Veterans are the a petty fascist group
with known ties to the Bush campaign.

"if you can't handle the truth, just make it up as you go along."
- Kerry campaign
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User: "Yang, AthD h.c"
Title: Re: SHIFTY Swifty sez: KERRY IS A LIAR!! LIAR!! LIAR!!	03 Sep 2004 10:07:10 PM

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:32:59 -0700, "Bob Harrington" <rch at blarg dot
net> wrote:

"if you can't handle the truth, just make it up as you go along."
- Kerry campaign

"If you pussied out of a draft, put on a fancy flight suit."
-AWOL campaign
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -978 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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User: "Michael Marxist Moore"
Title: Kerry and his Vietnam quagmire.	04 Sep 2004 12:25:29 AM

Kerry and his Vietnam quagmire.
Kerry inserted himself into the Vietnam conflict, and now can't
extradite himself from that quagmire. Kerry walked right into the
ambush, the Swift Boats Vets knew he would willingly walk into.
The one story that all media are following is the controversy
surrounding the swift-boat vets and their TV ads and book. This
controversy has grown so large that Kerry felt compelled to respond
directly to this group - a move that is unprecedented and politically
a major sign of weakness.
A couple of weeks ago, Fabrizio, McLaughlin & Associates released data
from our monthly survey of voters in the battleground states showing
that the swift-boat dust had caught voters' attention. We said that to
the extent it impacted undecided voters, it cut against Kerry by
nearly a 3-to-1 margin.
More recently, we released further data showing that the vets' charges
questioning Kerry's medals pack a potentially devastating political
punch, as they undermine a very crucial pillar of Kerry's political
persona. This data certainly explains Kerry's desperate attempts to
change the subject by focusing on the president.
I say hats off to the swift-boat group. It has managed to do what
neither of the campaigns has been able to do thus far: capture the
attention of the news media and voters for more than a couple of days.
And more important, it is possible that they will have struck the most
potent blow of this campaign.
The last time we saw this type of media frenzy and impact was back in
1988, over a now-infamous ad featuring one "Willie Horton." I rode
that media rollercoaster ride as one of the architects of the
independent-expenditure effort (this was back in the day before free
speech, particularly political speech, was regulated more than meat
processing). We spent a grand total of $500,000 in airtime and
received tens of millions in free airplay from the non-stop media
frenzy surrounding the ad. The media has thus far done the same for
swift vets - it's given an ad that may have had $500,000 worth of paid
airtime millions in free airtime.
Of course, we don't know how this swift-boat saga will ultimately play
out, but for now there is no question that it has been a huge boon to
the president's reelection campaign. Every day that it takes Kerry off
his
message benefits President Bush. Every day that it limits the media's
analysis of the political impact of events in the economy or the war
in Iraq benefits the president.
And let us not forget that as the GOP convention approaches, the media
is distracted from their standard stories about the party's divisions
over abortion and now, gay marriage. Having lived through the platform
process in 1996, we could have only wished for this type of
controversy to distract the media from the platform fights over
abortion then. This year there is the "Unity Plank" backed by
pro-choice GOP groups and the Log Cabin Republicans - ho-hum to a
media now interested in the Vietnam War.
The Bush team has to be pleased the media is distracted. Let's face
it: They would much rather have the president answering questions
about 527s - an issue few voters know (or care) about - than how much
more home heating oil will cost this winter or how the war in Iraq is
going.
There is no question that Kerry is on the defensive. More important,
for the first time in months, the president's campaign is not the one
getting battered news cycle after news cycle. That respite alone is
worth something.
Unfortunately, if at the end of all this swift-boat controversy the
ballot numbers between President Bush and Sen. Kerry don't move, some
pundits will claim that it was much ado about nothing. How wrong those
pundits will be.
Any objective political analyst will recognize that for at least three
weeks in August this heretofore unknown group of political neophyte
veterans dominated the political debate, preventing either campaign
from doing so and distracting the media beast. And depending on your
perspective that was either a blessing or a curse.
As of right now, there can be no question that it has been a blessing
for the Bush campaign.
- Tony Fabrizio served as chief pollster in Sen. Bob Dole's 1996
presidential campaign
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User: "Bob Harrington rch at blarg dot net"
Title: Re: SHIFTY Swifty sez: KERRY IS A LIAR!! LIAR!! LIAR!!	03 Sep 2004 08:29:46 PM

It was Hidey-Bunker who Terrorized America wrote:

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004, Hanoi Jane Fonda wrote::
Kerry Gunner: KERRY IS A LIAR!! LIAR!! LIAR!!

Yawn. So what? Even Kerry's campain admits
Kerry may have been mistaken about the date.

Even though it was "seared into his memory"?

Big wow.

Stupid sensationalist muckrackers.
All smoke, no fire.

How many of the Shifty Swifty lies have been proven
wrong in the last few weeks? About all of them?

Only in your wet dreams.

What happened to that "no gunfight" claim
again?

The one supported by the other three surviving captains on the river
with Kerry that day?

Swiftly Shifted out?

What happened to that "Silver Medal" claim
again?

Kerry's latest 'got caught'?

Swiftly Shifted out?

Why did that Bush lawyer resign again?

Didn't want to look like Kerry's current strategery provider, Michael
Moore.

Shifty Swifties.

Still unchallenged by Kerry's imaginary history of himself.
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User: "Madelin McKinnon"
Title: Re: SHIFTY Swifty sez: KERRY IS A LIAR!! LIAR!! LIAR!!	03 Sep 2004 07:23:32 AM

Maureen Dowd hit the hammer on the head when she said, "It's always
amusing to watch Republicans try to get down. At convention time,
they stop bilking Joe Lunchbox to act like Joe Lunchbox. By the time
the twins finished their White House Valley Girl routine, and Karl
Rove and Karen Hughes went all giddy in the sendup, the convention's
arc was clear. Highly scripted screwball moments designed to soothe
fears that the Bushies are bullies alternate with high-octane,
turbo moments designed to stir up fears that we won't be safe
without the Bush bullies."
The script is perverse and hypocritical because it is not possible
to wage a war on terrorism without intelligence. We need to prove
that freedom is bigger than the capacity to bully, and what about
the pursuit of happiness, isn't that a vital part of the American
Constitution?
Enlightenment, or true happiness is not a transcedental state. It is
a condition of broad wisdom, boundless energy, and good fortune
wherein we each shape our own destiny, find fulfillment in daily
activites, and come to understand our ultimate purpose in life is not
Karl Rove's script.
If the heart & soul of America does not determine the outcome of
election 2004, expect 4 more years of unprecedented misery.
http://www.geocities.com/mobaster/heart.htm
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User: "It was Hidey-Bunker who Terrorized America"
Title: Re: SHIFTY Swifty sez: KERRY IS A LIAR!! LIAR!! LIAR!!	03 Sep 2004 01:34:12 PM

I always love excelence.
Thanks McKinnon!
Madelin McKinnon said about:
Re: SHIFTY Swifty sez: KERRY IS A LIAR!! LIAR!! LIAR!!

Maureen Dowd hit the hammer on the head when she said, "It's always
amusing to watch Republicans try to get down. At convention time,
they stop bilking Joe Lunchbox to act like Joe Lunchbox. By the time
the twins finished their White House Valley Girl routine, and Karl
Rove and Karen Hughes went all giddy in the sendup, the convention's
arc was clear. Highly scripted screwball moments designed to soothe
fears that the Bushies are bullies alternate with high-octane,
turbo moments designed to stir up fears that we won't be safe
without the Bush bullies."

The script is perverse and hypocritical because it is not possible
to wage a war on terrorism without intelligence. We need to prove
that freedom is bigger than the capacity to bully, and what about
the pursuit of happiness, isn't that a vital part of the American
Constitution?

Enlightenment, or true happiness is not a transcedental state. It is
a condition of broad wisdom, boundless energy, and good fortune
wherein we each shape our own destiny, find fulfillment in daily
activites, and come to understand our ultimate purpose in life is not
Karl Rove's script.

If the heart & soul of America does not determine the outcome of
election 2004, expect 4 more years of unprecedented misery.

http://www.geocities.com/mobaster/heart.htm

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Re: "Bush Is Playing into Bin Laden's Hands"

I said this a year or more ago that Bush was Osama's puppet.

I've been saying it longer. Neener neener.
Check it out....It's even FUNNYier now!
cartoon
http://www.tompaine.com/op_ads/opad.cfm/ID/6438
Sep 25, 2002
"Uncle oSAMa Says:
I Want YOU To Invade Iraq
....or is it a really really a pitiful commentary
on STOOOOOOPID Americans ? ?
=====================
Bush Is Playing into Bin Laden's Hands
Julian Borger, The Guardian Unlimited, June 19, 2004
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1242639,00.html
WASHINGTON -- A senior US intelligence official is about
to publish a bitter condemnation of America's
counter-terrorism policy, arguing
that the west is losing the war against al-Qaida and that an
"avaricious, premeditated, unprovoked" war in Iraq has played into
Osama bin Laden's hands.
Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror, due out
next month, dismisses two of the most frequent boasts of the Bush
administration: that Bin Laden and al-Qaida are "on the run" and that
the Iraq invasion has made America safer.
In an interview with the Guardian the official, who writes as
"Anonymous", described al-Qaida as a much more proficient and focused
organisation than it was in 2001, and predicted that it would
"inevitably" acquire weapons of mass destruction and try to use them.
He said Bin Laden was probably "comfortable" commanding his..........
end
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User: "John Popelish"
Title: Re: SHIFTY Swifty sez: KERRY IS A LIAR!! LIAR!! LIAR!!	03 Sep 2004 11:17:54 AM

Madelin McKinnon wrote:

Maureen Dowd hit the hammer on the head

I would probably have used the more common expression,
"hit the nail on the head" (implying an accurate application of a
tool),
but I like the cartoon visualization of a hammer
hitting someone on the head with your version. ;-)

... when she said, "It's always
amusing to watch Republicans try to get down.

(snip)

http://www.geocities.com/mobaster/heart.htm

--
John Popelish
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User: "Hanoi Jane Fonda"
Title: ^^ NAMBLA supports John Kerry!!!!!! (NAMBLA ==> North American Man Boy Love Association) ^^	03 Sep 2004 02:52:14 AM

^^ NAMBLA supports John Kerry!!!!!! (NAMBLA ==> North American Man
Boy Love Association) ^^
Democrats support NAMBLA
The Gay and Lesbian Organizations that fully support NAMBLA
are Democrates because Bill Clinton needed their votes to win.
Check it out, it is on their website,
http://216.220.97.17/
http://www.nambla.org supports John Kerry!!!!!
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User: "Lloyd Parker"
Title: Re: ^^ NAMBLA supports John Kerry!!!!!! (NAMBLA ==> North American Man Boy Love Association) ^^	03 Sep 2004 05:56:46 AM

In article <ek8gj0t28i2rrtrnmpp34ued9asfmu6ol3@4ax.com>,
Hanoi Jane Fonda <hanoi_jane@N0SPAM.C0M> wrote:

^^ NAMBLA supports John Kerry!!!!!! (NAMBLA ==> North American Man
Boy Love Association) ^^

Democrats support NAMBLA

The Gay and Lesbian Organizations that fully support NAMBLA
are Democrates because Bill Clinton needed their votes to win.

Check it out, it is on their website,

http://216.220.97.17/

http://www.nambla.org supports John Kerry!!!!!

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Liberals Hate America!

How many "Hanoi Jane Fondas" does it take to change a lightbulb? None. He
just screams the light bulb is a liberal plan to harm America.
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User: "Hanoi Jane Fonda"
Title: ^^ Red China Endorses Kerry (Communists, Socialists, Fidel Castro, Red Chinese know a friend when they see one) ^^	03 Sep 2004 02:50:51 AM

^^ Red China Endorses Kerry (Communists, Socialists, Fidel Castro, Red
Chinese know a friend when they see one) ^^
Luckily, the Nazi party is defunct or they would be sure to hop on the
Kerry bandwagon.
John Kerry has gained the support of the largest political party in
the world. The official online news outlet for communist China, the
People's Daily, endorsed the Senator from Massachusetts for President
of the United States.
"Comparatively speaking, Kerry is noted for being friendly with China.
He was once firmly against linking the most-favored-nation status to
China with human rights," stated an article on the U.S. Presidential
race posted by the official Chinese Central Communist Party news
outlet. "From a long-term view, a Democratic administration, which
stresses international cooperation, pursues 'multilateralism' and
stands for a policy of contacts, will be better for both world peace
and Sino-U.S. relations," noted the People's Daily article.
According to the communist Chinese, Kerry looks "squarely at China's
position and influence in Asia and the world at large" and that the
Democrat candidate opposes "containment of China and stand for
contacts with the country."
"He said: We need cooperation with China and cannot push Sino-U.S.
relationship back to the Cold War period," states the Chinese news
site. According to the communist officials, Kerry supports the
"one-China" principle and opposes "Taiwan independence."
"At a broadcasting debate held in January this year, he alarmingly
expressed support for the solution of the Taiwan issue by the method
of 'one country, two systems' which triggered strong repercussion.
Although this maybe a remark made at the spur of the moment, it
reflected that his attitude toward the Taiwan issue is different from
that of Bush," noted the People's Daily.
"There are no 'neo-cons' in Kerry's campaign team, and most of his men
can rationally approach the common interests and actual differences
between the two countries," stated the report.
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America's Enemies.
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User: "Hanoi Jane Fonda"
Title: ^^ Who do you think al Qaeda would support in November? ^^	03 Sep 2004 02:49:35 AM

^^ Who do you think al Qaeda would support in November? ^^
Terrorists for Kerry
By Neal Boortz
March 15, 2004
192 DEAD; 1,200 WOUNDED. SO, WAS IT AL-QAEDA?
Have you seen those images on television yesterday? Did you see those
trains in Spain blown to bits? Now ... can you picture that same
scene somewhere in the United States ... maybe in the Northeast
corridor or in
Chicago where tens of thousands of people commute by rail?
So, you think this election is about jobs and health care? There are
about 200 people in Spain who will no longer benefit from any health
care, and another 1,200 who probably won't be going to work for today
.... or for a while ... or maybe never. Is al-Qaeda back? Maybe they
never left! The supposedly peaceful religion of Islam has struck
again, brutally murdering 192 people, and wounding more than 1,200. If
you think the war on terror isn't important, then it's time to get
your head out of the sand, or whatever dark region you have it stored.
Unless you have been living under a rock, by now you have heard what
happened. Ten backpack bombs exploded within a 15-minute span,
starting at about 7:40 a.m. yesterday aboard commuter trains. Police
also detonated three more bombs. A stolen van was found near Madrid
containing seven detonators and an Arabic tape with Koran verses on
it. The Spanish government initially pointed the finger at a
separatist group, but then a letter was faxed to Reuters by an
al-Qaeda-backed group. They referred to the attack as "operation death
trains." The attack occurred 911 days after September 11th. Another
letter was faxed to the Associated Press office in Cairo warning that
America was next. That's right; al-Qaeda says America is
next.
You have a role to play here. You have a decision to make ... and that
decision will be made on November 2nd. You will decide who is going to
lead this country in this time of peril ... this era of Islamic
terrorism. Maybe you'll want to chose someone who has proven that he
will use the American military and whatever resources are available to
him to hunt these terrorists down and kill them. Or maybe you'll want
to chose the man who says that this is all a law enforcement problem;
someone who, if he does manage to catch these Islamic predators with
his glorified police force, will then turn them over to some
international tribunal for trial. As the great Og Mandino once said,
"Use wisely your power of choice."
Who do you think the thousands of people who have died at the hands of
al-Qaeda would choose? And who do you think the al-Qaeda supporters
and sympathizers in the United States will chose?
.

User: "vinpo"
Title: Re: Alan Keyes Condemns Cheney's Gay Daughter (Hey Little * duke, Just Write the Check For $500 Out To "Planned Parenthood"	01 Sep 2004 08:44:35 PM

Yang, AthD (h.c) <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:stscj0lsamo3r5868er9km8ibm4kdt8oqu@4ax.com...

Just when you think he couldn't get any dumber....

he's not dumb. he's a very smart guy.
he's also a complete froot loop
whit

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-040831illinois,1,6577738.story?
coll=chi-news-hed

After Keyes told the hosts that homosexuality is "selfish hedonism,"
he was asked whether Mary Cheney is a "selfish hedonist."

"Of course she is," Keyes replied. "That goes by definition. Of course
she is."

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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec

The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -977 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting

Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless

User: "Yang, AthD h.c"
Title: Re: Alan Keyes Condemns Cheney's Gay Daughter (Hey Little * duke, Just Write the Check For $500 Out To "Planned Parenthood"	02 Sep 2004 01:44:17 AM

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 01:44:35 GMT, "vinpo" <vinpo@earthlink.net> wrote:

Yang, AthD (h.c) <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:stscj0lsamo3r5868er9km8ibm4kdt8oqu@4ax.com...

Just when you think he couldn't get any dumber....

he's not dumb. he's a very smart guy.

Then the IL GOP are the dumb ones for letting Keyes ruin their
reputation.

he's also a complete froot loop

whit

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-040831illinois,1,6577738.story?
coll=chi-news-hed

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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -977 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.

User: "Hydroxy"
Title: Re: Alan Keyes Condemns Cheney's Gay Daughter (Hey Little * duke, Just Write the Check For $500 Out To "Planned Parenthood"	02 Sep 2004 09:06:29 AM

"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:97gdj0hdqesvfubb66s7e79u62b17k86kd@4ax.com...

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 01:44:35 GMT, "vinpo" <vinpo@earthlink.net> wrote:

Yang, AthD (h.c) <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:stscj0lsamo3r5868er9km8ibm4kdt8oqu@4ax.com...

Just when you think he couldn't get any dumber....

he's not dumb. he's a very smart guy.

Then the IL GOP are the dumb ones for letting Keyes ruin their
reputation.

i agree
whit

he's also a complete froot loop

whit

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-040831illinois,1,6577738.story

coll=chi-news-hed

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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec

The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -977 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting

Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless

User: "Hanoi Jane Fonda"
Title: Kerry Trails Bush in Electoral Votes! Many Liberals About To Commit Suicide!	02 Sep 2004 03:56:48 AM

Kerry Trails Bush in Electoral Votes! Many Liberals About To Commit
Suicide!
Yahoo (AP) 7/24/04 RON FOURNIER
BOSTON - John Kerry (news - web sites) narrowly trails President Bush
(news - web sites) in the battle for the 270 electoral votes needed to
win the White House, as he makes his case at the Democratic National
Convention this week to topple the Republican incumbent. Tall hurdles
remain in his path, including Electoral College (news - web sites)
math that favors Bush.
With three months remaining in a volatile campaign, Kerry has 14
states and the District of Columbia in his column for 193 electoral
votes. Bush has 25 states for 217 votes, according to an Associated
Press analysis of state polls as well as interviews with strategists
across the country.
"It's a tough, tough map. I think it's going to be a close race," said
Democratic strategist Tad Devine, who helped plot Al Gore (news - web
sites)'s state-by-state strategy in 2000 and plays the same role for
Kerry.
"But looking back four years, we're much stronger now. I think we're
going into this convention in great shape," he said. Both candidates
are short of the magic 270 electoral votes. The margin of victory will
come from:
_TOSSUPS Bush and Kerry are running even in 11 states with a combined
128 electoral votes. Florida, Ohio, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, New
Mexico, Wisconsin, Michigan and West Virginia are the toughest
battlegrounds. Two other tossups, Pennsylvania and Oregon, could soon
move to Kerry's column.
LEAN KERRY Maine, Minnesota and Washington (a combined 25 electoral
votes) favor Kerry over Bush by a few percentage points. Gore carried
them in 2000.
LEAN BUSH North Carolina, Colorado, Louisiana, Arizona, Virginia,
Arkansas and Missouri (a combined 73 electoral votes) give Bush modest
leads. He won all seven in 2000.
All total, 21 states are in play. Some will bounce between "lean" to
"tossup" throughout the campaign.
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Liberals Hate America!
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User: "Hanoi Jane Fonda"
Title: The John F---ing Kerry Biography	02 Sep 2004 04:03:04 AM

The John F---ing Kerry Biography
Hi I'm John F-ing Kerry, (i'm called F-ing since thats what I said
about G.W. Bush) I'm the wealthiest Democrat running for president, My
share of the Heinz estate is $500 million plus. This is validated by a
New York Times article am I really French, not just French-looking.
Since
I am the Ri�hest$$$ so I can be the Democrat nominee, yay! "This is
not going to go away," one American friend of Miss Polier said
yesterday.Miss Polier, a journalist who once worked for Associated
Press,
is a graduate of Columbia University, New York. She apparently met the
senator as she was beginning her media career. Miss Polier and her
fiance were believed to be hiding yesterday at the Nairobi home of Mr
Schwartzman's parents, who moved to Kenya from Israel.
To all the poorer people nyah, nyah nyahah!
I love Interns...
She appears to have few friends of her own in Kenya: she has never
lived in the country and makes only occasional visits. "She seemed
perfectly nice, although she was a little cool," said a Schwartzman
family friend.
LET THEM EAT KETCHUP!
Did you know I served in VietNam?
After being approached by a top news producer, the woman fled to
Africa, where she remains. "Well, there is nothing to report," Kerry
told IMUS. "So there is nothing to talk about. I'm not worried about
it. No." In expanded comments later in the broadcast, Don Imus told
his on-air crew that "Kerry is dead" if "something comes out."
KABC-TV Los Angeles, CA (2/12, 6:00 p.m.) reported, "There's a report
on the Internet from Internet gossip columnist Matt Drudge that John
Kerry, the front runner, has had a problem with an intern in the past,
perhaps an affair."
KDAF-TV Dallas, TX (2/12, 9:28 p.m.) referred to the story as a
"bombshell rumor."
WBAL-TV Baltimore, MD (2/12, 11:11 p.m.) reported, "The Kerry camp is
preparing a response."
WBTV-TV Charlotte, NC (2/12, 6:00 p.m.) reported, "Scandalous
rumblings tonight inside John Kerry's campaign."
WSYX-TV Columbus, OH (2/12, 5:05 p.m.) reported, "Matt Drudge broke
this bombshell on his website."
WTTE-TV Columbus, OH (2/12, 10:11 p.m.) reported, "The Democratic
frontrunner -- some say he had an affair with an intern."
KRQE-TV Albuquerque, NM (2/12, 10:00 p.m.) reported, "Is John Kerry
about to be caught up in a scandal?"
I guess Hillary has the only solution for me, then she can take over
for President when I bugger off.Click to hear more.
Don't let 'Ole punkin legs' take over my campaign! Click to hear John
Kerry's campaign ad right here!
(If you don't have windows media click here to get that,then come
back)
The photo the Dems fear most: The almost-certain 2004 presidential
nominee John Kerry protesting the Vietnam War with "Hanoi Jane" Fonda
(front, orange shirt) in 1970. Dems Hoped There Were No Photos of
'Operation RAW'"Operation RAW" (Rapid American Withdrawal), the
September 1970 march
featured Fonda, Kerry and a motley band of anti-war vets in an 86-mile
trek from Morristown, N.J., and Valley Forge, Pa. ? two Revolutionary
War sites.
According to "Tour of Duty," Brinkley's book on Kerry's war years,
when the protesters reached their destination they were treated to
Fonda standing in the bed of a pickup truck, where she "denounced the
Nixon administration as a beehive for cold blooded killers."
"Marijuana was in the air," said Brinkley. "Skinny dippers frolicked
in the Delaware River. ... [The group's] long hair, ripped jeans, army
surplus store canteens, and toy guns gave the VVAW the look of a
ragtag band of Haight-Ashbury refugees. ... (Click to learn more)
Hey did you know I chucked my medals on the Whitehouse lawn in disgust
after serving in VietNam.
Hey did you know I was in Vietnam and afterwards I was a Communist
stooge? The communist Daily World delightedly published photos of him
speaking to demonstrators and boasted that the marchers displayed a
banner depicting a portrait of Communist Party leader Angela Davis, on
record stating, ?I am
dedicated to the overthrow of your system of government and your
society,? the New American recalled in May 2003.
Friendly with the enemy: Kerry?s fondness for Vietnam?s communist
dictatorship, one of the most oppressive in the world, continues.
Did you know I served in VietNam?
I have instructions for you!
I thought I would love Cheese & Peppa Steak Sandwiches but I guess
not.
Did you know I served in VietNam?
Listen to my Teddy bear give me a friendly introduction.
To those that don't like my Millions and posh life, I say: �LET THEM
EAT KETCHUP!�
Did you know I served in VietNam?
I want each and everyone of you to know I love Children, I'm doing it
for the Children after all they are our future. As I did with my hit
TV Show in the 1960's I was a butler but I'm working my way up to
president.
I love interns do you think these 2 would make nice ones? I just lost
one, you know the one I was sleeping with, well my wife found out so I
had to use campaign money to have her flee the country. So know what
am I going to do for interns now?
Well if I can't make President and go broke selling the family$100+
million fortune trying at least I could always get a job flipping
pancakes...
Did you know I served in VietNam?
I ran for the Senate a few years back but the lighting was a little
off during the photo shoot.
You do know I'm a multi-millionaire with my wife the heir apparent to
the Heinz Ketchup fortune!
Did you know I served in VietNam?
I have a new campaign jingle want to hear?
(click it )
What do you think am I tough enough? I planted phony hecklers to show
off... "John Kerry's